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On 3/13/2020 at 3:51 PM, 0R0 said:

The top levels of the civil service are politically active and commercially active in selling no bid contracts and prohibitions on competition to various companies and congresspeople. They are very political and uniformly Democrat and often throwing nits in the way of the Trump administration similar to the Justice department's witch hunts of the Trump campaign while hiding and halting investigations of such Democratic luminaries as Biden via his son's lucrative financial dealings with foreign governments and SOEs. 

I think the repeal of the Civil service act of 1963 and rebooting it after a period that shows us what the civil service looks like without it.  

It's not like your side behaves any better.  All the shi- you accuse Democrats of doing, Trump and Republicans do it, too.  

Trump's administration is one of the most corrupt I've seen, up there with the Clintons.  

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Also, the US is at the beginning of the exponential curve for corona virus, so don't start bragging about it, yet.  It'll be like bragging about the stock market when the S&P was trading at 3300.   Viruses don't care about political affiliations.  

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48 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Yet we, so far, appear to have one of the lowest rates of infections and deaths worldwide. 

Less than 2 weeks ago Mango first conference. “Its just a flu, we have 14 ppl they all gonna be fine very soon, very good job we did”

since than you got 4k ppl. So keep testing and keep waiting

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45 minutes ago, Zhong Lu said:

It's not like your side behaves any better.  All the shi- you accuse Democrats of doing, Trump and Republicans do it, too.  

Trump's administration is one of the most corrupt I've seen, up there with the Clintons.  

Nobody is holy. 

Trump's interests are known and obvious and the media constantly remind us of them. The Dems' machinations are sparingly reported on most media. 

The power is not sufficiently checked, so is corrupting all who take it up. The system needs to regain balance by chopping off entire spheres of authority off of congress and the executive and having all commissions' and boards' members personally recallable by public petition.  

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55 minutes ago, Dmitry Bedin said:

US have so-called best health system only in Tramp’s bravada full of adjectives but lack of any facts and in Hollywood movies. USA will be hit more than any country due to mostly ignorant population without access to health system. We gonna watch real time show of f up of Trump and epic fail of his team and him as president. Just wait for two weeks. The show is coming soon. Wash your hands and get ready pop-corn.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html Truth

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1 hour ago, ronwagn said:

Yet we, so far, appear to have one of the lowest rates of infections and deaths worldwide. 

We also hadn't enough test kits and harebrained CDC test criteria so we don't know yet. The new commercial tests should have 2+ million reagent kits available for mechanized testing within days. Then you can do some randomized testing to show penetration of the virus in the population regionally. 

 

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On 3/11/2020 at 5:46 PM, notsonice said:

There are actual acts of sabotage within the lower ranks below the director level in every branch that touches the covid 19 issue. ?????? Keep wearing the tinfoil

Probably, but references would be appreciated. 

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6 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

We also hadn't enough test kits and harebrained CDC test criteria so we don't know yet. The new commercial tests should have 2+ million reagent kits available for mechanized testing within days. Then you can do some randomized testing to show penetration of the virus in the population regionally. 

 

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html What is really important is that death and permanent health damage is avoided and that we treat as soon and as well as possible. Whatever the disease, this is the criteria that should be used. 0.018 is an acceptable death rate against any critical disease. Especially when it kills off the oldest and least vigorous patients. 

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"Yet we, so far, appear to have one of the lowest rates of infections and deaths worldwide."

 

We are not doing the testing so who know the true amount of infections until we start seeing case spikes.

I posted Donald McNeil mainly as a reference.  He is a medical guy who is concerned with health.  I take a middle of the road approach which means we need to walk a fine line between health concerns and economic concerns.  People take for granted a functioning economy generally.  It works so well we don't even think about it.  This economic issue is ignored even more when health is concerned.  There is a feeling that health comes first but that is the disconnect because a functioning economy means life or death too just manifested differently.  People do not realize the longer a macro economy is shut down the longer the time to reboot.  At some point it will not reboot to former levels or worse.  We have to avoid allowing the virus to overwhelm the health care system but we must not destroy the economy in the process.  If our food chain and supply chains break down we are in no better shape. 

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Image may contain: 1 person, possible text that says 'According to the CDC From April 09 through mid January 2010 57 Million Americans had been infected by the Swine Flu Also known as H1N1. 257,000 had had been hospitalized. 11,690 died Including 1,180 children I don't recall anyone blaming this guy CRAZY CONSERVATIVE'

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On 3/10/2020 at 1:01 PM, ronwagn said:

The Trump Administration is doing everything possible, and probably too much in some ways. Meanwhile his actions, and that of the entire government are being lied about by almost all of the mainstream media sources. They are guilty for much of the stock market losses and scare mongering going on. It is born out of the same desperation that the motivated the attempts to overthrow him since even before he was nominated and finally the phony attempt at impeachment. These lies are just more of the same. 

Exactly! Sadly the media are as complicit in this as they were in the Impeachment fiasco. Trumpeting lies at any opportunity no matter the outlandishness of the claim, just so long as the President is made too look bad.  

Now no matter what the administration does, it's either Wrong or Not enough!  Just last week they were hammering him about 'why' hadn't he taken the test to see if he was infected after his meeting with the Brazilian diplomats. SO he did, then today they claim he is hiding the true outcome or demanding too know Why he took it at all? He can't win with them!

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8 hours ago, ronwagn said:

 

0.01830238726 American deaths per case by percentage of cases you quoted. 

Yep those deaths that have actually been attributed to the virus, I would bet my house there are dozens that haven’t been!! How many people have been tested???

its carnage in the UK and getting worse by the day, it’s coming your way so stay safe people!

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6 hours ago, ronwagn said:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html What is really important is that death and permanent health damage is avoided and that we treat as soon and as well as possible. Whatever the disease, this is the criteria that should be used. 0.018 is an acceptable death rate against any critical disease. Especially when it kills off the oldest and least vigorous patients. 

That death rate is nonsense and you need to wake up and smell the coffee Ron.

take a look at countries that are weeks and months ahead of the US in fighting this virus, the US is not some miraculous place where the virus will just bypass

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"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."

Mike Tyson

 

I am seeing a reactive posture everywhere I look which means we have been punched in the mouth and now looking for a plan.  I am a green prepper who has been working on resilience for 15 years and my ass still puckers knowing what might be ahead for a nation and a world that tries to reboot something complex with complicated networks and systems.  This is a very dangerous time anyone discounting that has not done the math and science.  Personally, I see martial law ahead mainly because too many people will burn through food and medicine quickly and be desperate.  Shut downs do things like this.  China and Italy had a global world still functioning.  Now Europe and Asia are shut down from normal and the US is going into a shut down.  Never has a global world had this happen.  I think we are floating around now in the unknown.  The revised plan should be keep the health care system from being overwhelmed but lets not forget food chains and supplies of all sorts either.  Where is the plan for that?  It is too early for this yet because shelves are going bare but no widespread hunger…yet.  Remember Food has a 3 day rule for human behavior, the 4th day is ugly.

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8 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Image may contain: 1 person, possible text that says 'According to the CDC From April 09 through mid January 2010 57 Million Americans had been infected by the Swine Flu Also known as H1N1. 257,000 had had been hospitalized. 11,690 died Including 1,180 children I don't recall anyone blaming this guy CRAZY CONSERVATIVE'

H1N1 started on the US and Mexico, so we didn't have a3 month lead time.

H1N1 was first diagnosed in US April 15, 2009. 

CDC activated emergency operations April 22. 

1 million tests released by May 15. 

Prototype vaccine completed by end August 2009.

"H1N1 was less severe than coronavirus. But unlike coronavirus, it was managed competently and responsibly. If Biden had been in charge, he'd deserve credit. I imagine he'd insist on passing that credit to the professionals. But at least he did not sabotage them."

-- David Frum

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11 hours ago, Dmitry Bedin said:

USA will be hit more than any country due to mostly ignorant population without access to health system.

Hio boy.  I disagree, but we will find out next month.

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12 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

It's not like your side behaves any better.  All the shi- you accuse Democrats of doing, Trump and Republicans do it, too.  

Trump's administration is one of the most corrupt I've seen, up there with the Clintons.  

YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, SO WHY DON'T YOU CRAWL BACK UNDER THE ROCK YOU CRAWLED OUT FROM. A LOT OF US HAVE NOTICED THAT YOU IGNORANT CHINESE SUPPORTERS HAVE NOT BEEN RUNNING YOUR MOUTHS AS OF LATE, SO SINCE YOU CRAWLED OUT FROM UNDER THAT ROCK, PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW YOU COULD POSSIBLY BE A SUPPORTER OF A CORRUPT GOVERNMENT THAT HAS NOW, THROUGH IGNORANCE AND SKIRTING BASIC SAFETY MEASURES(LIKE COMMUNISTS TEND TO DO), HAS UNLEASHED THIS CRAP UPON THE REST OF THE WORLD. ONLY A COMPLETE MORON WOULD SUPPORT WHAT THEY HAVE CAUSED. GO AWAY LOSER!! SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE, NO ONE IN THE FREE WORLD CARES ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR IGNORANT PROPAGANDA. COME ON EVERY ONE, LETS ALL TELL THESE PEOPLE TO GO AWAY!!! SCREW CHINA AND ANY OTHER SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT AND THE SOCK PUPPETS THAT RUN THEIR MOUTHS IN SUPPORT OF THIS CRAP...

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1 hour ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Hio boy.  I disagree, but we will find out next month.

The US may not be hit as hard for a couple of reasons.

1) The country is very spread out and is more rural than most of the rest of the world

2) the US has had three more weeks to prepare than Europe

3) while many did not have health insurance, the US medical infrastructure is good. The government will have too work hard in inadequately insured areas to get people medical help.

There are still huge risks in the US partially caused by Trump's attempt to monetise the crisis and partly because we still don't have a coherent policy to stem the pandemic. Telling people to stay home is one thing, but things like Will to Work may make it impossible for some to quarantine. Laws like that should be suspended for the duration.

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1 hour ago, SERWIN said:

YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

Calm down there Serwin.

To me, Zhong seems to be a pretty independent thinker, not a CCP propaganda puppet.  He's a feisty trader.  Please do not lump Zhong in with mindless shills.

While you may not agree with Zhong, I disagree that he is a CCP shill.

There were, however, literally hundreds of Mandarin spams here this morning, and I see that Selva has banned yet another spammer this morning, in addition to the other 4 or 5 Mandarin spammers that I banned this morning. 

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On 3/10/2020 at 6:26 AM, Douglas Buckland said:

Let’s see...lack of accurate information, silly wild assed guess at the numbers...sounds like fear mongering to me.

Could be a case of ‘publish or perish’. Regardless,,it is irresponsible.

Exactly what I was thinking!

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52 minutes ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Calm down there Serwin.

To me, Zhong seems to be a pretty independent thinker, not a CCP propaganda puppet.  He's a feisty trader.  Please do not lump Zhong in with mindless shills.

While you may not agree with Zhong, I disagree that he is a CCP shill.

There were, however, literally hundreds of Mandarin spams here this morning, and I see that Selva has banned yet another spammer this morning, in addition to the other 4 or 5 Mandarin spammers that I banned this morning. 

Kinda pisses me off that yet again, everything is Trump's fault. I actually agree with him about the Reps and Dems both being corrupt, but as usual he is being lumped into the same category with all the scum of the earth, even though his track record surpasses any president since I have been alive.

So, my apologies to Zhong for flying off the handle, but I do still stand by what I said for all the others that are nothing more than sock puppets for the communists. And speaking of which, where is remake it during all this anyway.

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8 minutes ago, SERWIN said:

And speaking of which, where is remake it during all this anyway.

I think he left just after Day Trader / Papillon got banned

I think only Frankfurter is left on here who is pro CCP

Also what has happened to Jan Van Eck??

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27 minutes ago, SERWIN said:

And speaking of which, where is remake it during all this anyway.

 

18 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

I think he left just after Day Trader / Papillon got banned

I think only Frankfurter is left on here who is pro CCP

Also what has happened to Jan Van Eck??

Remake it got banned, and so did Day Trader / Papillon (DT and Papillon were the same person).

All got banned for abusing sock puppets (1 person pretending to be multiple different people, to skew discussions in their favor).

Jan still lurks here, as far as I know.

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2 hours ago, Geoff Guenther said:

The US may not be hit as hard for a couple of reasons.

1) The country is very spread out and is more rural than most of the rest of the world

2) the US has had three more weeks to prepare than Europe

3) while many did not have health insurance, the US medical infrastructure is good. The government will have too work hard in inadequately insured areas to get people medical help.

There are still huge risks in the US partially caused by Trump's attempt to monetise the crisis and partly because we still don't have a coherent policy to stem the pandemic. Telling people to stay home is one thing, but things like Will to Work may make it impossible for some to quarantine. Laws like that should be suspended for the duration.

Closing our borders and our superior medical systems are major factors, as well as good communications early. Socialized medicine has not worked out as well. 

Population density is highly encouraged in socialist countries due to the governments huge role in setting policy and saying where housing will be built and not built. America has a population as large as Europe but we love our suburbs. 

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