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6 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

America has a population as large as Europe but we love our suburbs. 

Ron you are miles off

USA 333M

Europe 747M

we have to cram people in as we just don't have the room its got nothing to do with socialism

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I am referring to Western Europe, including Scandinavia and Southern Europe. It is roughly the same in size and population, especially when you consider our vast virtually unpopulated areas.  

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you do have a lot of land😊

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6 hours ago, REAL Green said:

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."

Mike Tyson

 

I am seeing a reactive posture everywhere I look which means we have been punched in the mouth and now looking for a plan.  I am a green prepper who has been working on resilience for 15 years and my ass still puckers knowing what might be ahead for a nation and a world that tries to reboot something complex with complicated networks and systems.  This is a very dangerous time anyone discounting that has not done the math and science.  Personally, I see martial law ahead mainly because too many people will burn through food and medicine quickly and be desperate.  Shut downs do things like this.  China and Italy had a global world still functioning.  Now Europe and Asia are shut down from normal and the US is going into a shut down.  Never has a global world had this happen.  I think we are floating around now in the unknown.  The revised plan should be keep the health care system from being overwhelmed but lets not forget food chains and supplies of all sorts either.  Where is the plan for that?  It is too early for this yet because shelves are going bare but no widespread hunger…yet.  Remember Food has a 3 day rule for human behavior, the 4th day is ugly.

People have a constitutional right to go out and about as they desire. They are mainly being helpful and voluntarily complying. Judge Andrew Napolitano today spoke on Fox to this issue. 

I applaud your prepping. I think we all should be preppers and educated in basic medical care. A family can do that themselves. We should all store food and water. We should all have guns and ammo in case of societal breakdown or statist oversteps. Even Virginia is threatening to disarm its citizens. The vast bulk of the state is against this but because of D.C. being a neighbor, statists have taken over power. That may have to be dealt with. 

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3 hours ago, Geoff Guenther said:

The US may not be hit as hard for a couple of reasons.

1) The country is very spread out and is more rural than most of the rest of the world

2) the US has had three more weeks to prepare than Europe

3) while many did not have health insurance, the US medical infrastructure is good. The government will have too work hard in inadequately insured areas to get people medical help.

There are still huge risks in the US partially caused by Trump's attempt to monetise the crisis and partly because we still don't have a coherent policy to stem the pandemic. Telling people to stay home is one thing, but things like Will to Work may make it impossible for some to quarantine. Laws like that should be suspended for the duration.

How do you figure that we had three more weeks to prepare than Europe? We all use the same calendar.

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2 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

How do you figure that we had three more weeks to prepare than Europe? We all use the same calendar.

I think he means it hit Europe in general 3 weeks before it got to the USA

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1 hour ago, SERWIN said:

Kinda pisses me off that yet again, everything is Trump's fault. I actually agree with him about the Reps and Dems both being corrupt, but as usual he is being lumped into the same category with all the scum of the earth, even though his track record surpasses any president since I have been alive.

So, my apologies to Zhong for flying off the handle, but I do still stand by what I said for all the others that are nothing more than sock puppets for the communists. And speaking of which, where is remake it during all this anyway.

What is really sad is that both the Democratic candidates have been in office for 30+ years, and any idiot dumb enough to vote for one of them actually believes that these morons have any answers for the problems this country faces right now. 30+ years and all of a sudden they have the answers, hmmmm. DON'T BELIEVE IT, not even a little bit. Bernie's answer is definitely a no go, those of us that can think already know where full blown socialism takes any country, and Biden's answers only have to do with fattening his and his family's pockets and bank with ill gotten gains from "aid money" to foreign countries. Neither one seems like a viable answer to any of the problems facing the nation right now. I would love nothing more than for Trump to get re-elected, and then an indictment come down the pike for Biden and his family. Justice would be served then, at least in that instance. 

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21 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

I think he means it hit Europe in general 3 weeks before it got to the USA

I can see that being true because of lots of Chinese being working in the leather and shoe industries in Northern Italy. I give credence to that. Our West Coast is much the same though. The first girl I ever kissed was an Japanese girl, I was about five. 

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53 minutes ago, SERWIN said:

What is really sad is that both the Democratic candidates have been in office for 30+ years, and any idiot dumb enough to vote for one of them actually believes that these morons have any answers for the problems this country faces right now. 30+ years and all of a sudden they have the answers, hmmmm. DON'T BELIEVE IT, not even a little bit. Bernie's answer is definitely a no go, those of us that can think already know where full blown socialism takes any country, and Biden's answers only have to do with fattening his and his family's pockets and bank with ill gotten gains from "aid money" to foreign countries. Neither one seems like a viable answer to any of the problems facing the nation right now. I would love nothing more than for Trump to get re-elected, and then an indictment come down the pike for Biden and his family. Justice would be served then, at least in that instance. 

What many are looking for is anti-neoliberalism which is not socialism.  Biden appears to be a neoliberal although many do not realize this.

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2 hours ago, canadas canadas said:

What many are looking for is anti-neoliberalism which is not socialism.  Biden appears to be a neoliberal although many do not realize this.

Actually, Biden appears to have dementia, the beginning of Alzheimer's, or some other sort of cognitive function disorder. And any one that would vote for that is shear unadulterated raw moron, because I would actually bet money that the useless money mongering BITCH will be his running mate. Sorry y'all, I spelled C%&# wrong....

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10.03.2020 в 14:53 Джефф Гюнтер сказал:

Италия на неделю отстала от Ирана в эпидемическом цикле и в настоящее время заблокирована всю страну. США и Великобритания на неделю отстают от Италии.

В то время как у нас есть все необходимые враги и медсестры, пытаясь ухаживать за пациентом.

Эта статья является серьезной попыткой выбора, чтобы получить разумную оценку числа инфекций, число которых составляет около 2 миллионов.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/irans-coronavirus-problem-lot-worse-it-seems/607663/

 

March 17, 2020, 15:21. Coronavirus updates in Iran: 16,169 cases, 988 deaths https://en.mehrnews.com/news/156826/Iran-coronavirus-updates-16-169-cases-988-deaths 

157030241.jpgdeaths https://en.irna.ir/photo/83718802/Iran-s-coronavirus-toll-update-March-17-2020

In Iran, created a drug for the treatment of pneumonia caused by coronavirushttps://irna.ir/news/83719102/%D0%92-

 

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yes I have that map on my mac. My point is - be prepared to have situation much severe than in Italy and Iran all together. Lockdown, enjoy your living room yep, later enjoy your health system which as expensive as useless and will fail soon. You guys lost the moment one month o more ago. 
actually every country lost. 2-3% Earth population will die and mostly in US. Sad but true.

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12 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

Hio boy.  I disagree, but we will find out next month.

The whole world will watch that one at a life show soon 🤓 and it will deliver 😎

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48 minutes ago, Dmitry Bedin said:

actually every country lost. 2-3% Earth population will die and mostly in US. Sad but true.

Seems you really like to spread this fearporn.  Clearly, I disagree.  

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SARS-CoV-2 will be maximally active for 2 months. (then the coronavirus mutates and weakens - see Germany). Within 2 months, 60% of the population will be ill in the most mild form (most won't even notice), and the population will gain immunity. Then everyone will be happy ... until the next Earth Lords attack. )))
PS About 2-3%, you exaggerated 0.5%, a maximum of 1.0%.

 

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8 hours ago, canadas canadas said:

What many are looking for is anti-neoliberalism which is not socialism.  Biden appears to be a neoliberal although many do not realize this.

Biden is has no principles that are firm. If you look back at his record he has changed every position he ever had. All you have to do is look at his current positions. No oil drilling, Climate Change Fanaticism, end cash bail, $15 minimum wage, ban "assault weapons", national firearm registry, forgive student debt, ban charter schools, pay teachers even more, pro abortion, medicare for all and expand benefits, citizenship for "Dreamers", increase capital gains tax, don't worry about China, don't use tariffs to pressure countries. 

Biden on the Issues 

 

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/joe-biden/

See Vetting Joe Biden

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19dWQ1ucBsPQyj0WuVMfXmr6DTTeG8TwKbVuWE9_Rswg/edit

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10 hours ago, ronwagn said:

People have a constitutional right to go out and about as they desire. They are mainly being helpful and voluntarily complying. Judge Andrew Napolitano today spoke on Fox to this issue. 

I applaud your prepping. I think we all should be preppers and educated in basic medical care. A family can do that themselves. We should all store food and water. We should all have guns and ammo in case of societal breakdown or statist oversteps. Even Virginia is threatening to disarm its citizens. The vast bulk of the state is against this but because of D.C. being a neighbor, statists have taken over power. That may have to be dealt with. 

Lol @ guns and ammo for societal breakdown. I bet if they did DNA testing it would be the German and English heritage US citizens that support this kind of propaganda. You gonna build gas chambers for your enemies?

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3 hours ago, Dmitry Bedin said:

yes I have that map on my mac. My point is - be prepared to have situation much severe than in Italy and Iran all together. Lockdown, enjoy your living room yep, later enjoy your health system which as expensive as useless and will fail soon. You guys lost the moment one month o more ago. 
actually every country lost. 2-3% Earth population will die and mostly in US. Sad but true.

I read the group most at risk that have the virus is 80 years of age and above. They die at a rate of around 15%. Kinda a far cry from all humans. Lol 

PS Check your math. If all the people on earth die how could it be mostly Americans. You on drugs?

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On 3/16/2020 at 5:46 PM, ronwagn said:

 

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/03/remember_the_h1n1_pandemic_i_dont_either.html Overreaction to Coronavirus?

Believe me, I am taking all precautions and isolation within reason. My major concern is for all the people getting out of the stock market. The super rich will buy it all back up when they wake up. The average person will have screwed himself royally. That is just my guess. 

Warren Buffett has 135 billion in cash. You’ll be hearing soon the companies he snaps up. 

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15 hours ago, SERWIN said:

YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, SO WHY DON'T YOU CRAWL BACK UNDER THE ROCK YOU CRAWLED OUT FROM. A LOT OF US HAVE NOTICED THAT YOU IGNORANT CHINESE SUPPORTERS HAVE NOT BEEN RUNNING YOUR MOUTHS AS OF LATE, SO SINCE YOU CRAWLED OUT FROM UNDER THAT ROCK, PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW YOU COULD POSSIBLY BE A SUPPORTER OF A CORRUPT GOVERNMENT THAT HAS NOW, THROUGH IGNORANCE AND SKIRTING BASIC SAFETY MEASURES(LIKE COMMUNISTS TEND TO DO), HAS UNLEASHED THIS CRAP UPON THE REST OF THE WORLD. ONLY A COMPLETE MORON WOULD SUPPORT WHAT THEY HAVE CAUSED. GO AWAY LOSER!! SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE, NO ONE IN THE FREE WORLD CARES ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR IGNORANT PROPAGANDA. COME ON EVERY ONE, LETS ALL TELL THESE PEOPLE TO GO AWAY!!! SCREW CHINA AND ANY OTHER SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST GOVERNMENT AND THE SOCK PUPPETS THAT RUN THEIR MOUTHS IN SUPPORT OF THIS CRAP...

Easy Serwin....

Zhong is entitled to his opinion and historically he is not a CCP groupie.

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15 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Closing our borders and our superior medical systems are major factors, as well as good communications early. Socialized medicine has not worked out as well. 

Population density is highly encouraged in socialist countries due to the governments huge role in setting policy and saying where housing will be built and not built. America has a population as large as Europe but we love our suburbs. 

Ron genuine question. in what ways are the US medical systems superior than those in Europe?

better equipment? Please give examples

better systems? If so in what way?

more efficient? If so again explain how

better hospital administration and practices? Again please explain

more testing? At present this isn’t so

if we in Europe aren’t up to speed with the US then it’s something to raise at a political level.

i actually doubt there is much if any difference, maybe some countries may be more proficient in some areas but I doubt in all.

would be genuinely interested to know, can you give examples rather than just opinion though.

cheers

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8 hours ago, Andrew Neopalimy said:

SARS-CoV-2 will be maximally active for 2 months. (then the coronavirus mutates and weakens - see Germany). Within 2 months, 60% of the population will be ill in the most mild form (most won't even notice), and the population will gain immunity. Then everyone will be happy ... until the next Earth Lords attack. )))
PS About 2-3%, you exaggerated 0.5%, a maximum of 1.0%.

 

If you work on 0.5% death rate as per S.Korea which is one of the most technically advanced nations in the world then the US should expect a death toll of approximately 1.5 million if everyone contracts the virus and it remains as virulent and strong.

everyone won’t get this and it will probably be around the 1 million mark, however a large percentage will die of it without it being attributed to Covid-19 due to lack of testing.

if you are elderly or have elderly members of your family then you need to keep them safe

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Rob, I get your point, I really do, but historically what precautions or actions have ‘you’ taken to protect the elderly from seasonal influenza, SARS, ebola, TB or any other infectious disease that has been out there? Have we gone into lockdown?

(PS: I am presently in lockdown in KL, will be interesting to see if it makes one iota of difference in 2 weeks other than driving the economy into recession in a country heavily dependent on oil revenues while the price of oil is headed into the cellar.

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52 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

Rob, I get your point, I really do, but historically what precautions or actions have ‘you’ taken to protect the elderly from seasonal influenza, SARS, ebola, TB or any other infectious disease that has been out there? Have we gone into lockdown?

(PS: I am presently in lockdown in KL, will be interesting to see if it makes one iota of difference in 2 weeks other than driving the economy into recession in a country heavily dependent on oil revenues while the price of oil is headed into the cellar.

The Malaysian government depends on dividends from Petronas to fund 25% of its budget.  That's going to be a big hole in government revenue.

However, there is no way for the government to avoid the lockdown.  Recently, a lot of Muslims have been infected from religious gatherings where they shared meals and thousands lodged together in the mosques.  To do nothing will be political and reputational suicide.

Plagiarized from OSTB, below:

Here is a short video which shows people eating food in groups  from a common  talam or tray. You can see that they eat with their fingers.  One guy moves from one tray or talam to another talam. He uses his "eating hand" to dish out food into the trays.  This is a 100% certain method of spreading his saliva all over the food. 
To be shared by everyone else eating from that tray.

 
There are other reasons for the rapid spread of the virus among the tablig. The mosque is not a hotel. Yet 16,000 people stayed there and slept there for three nights. They had no choice but to sleep on the floor, close up against each other. Such close proximity would have certainly spread the virus as well. This picture below gives an idea of what it looks like when hundreds or thousands of people end up sleeping on the floor next to each other.
 
Tablig+sleeping.PNG
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