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French Doctor treats 36 Covid-19 patients with Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) + ZPAK and obtains great results. The worst of this virus could be over in a couple of months if U.S. could secure supply.

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1 hour ago, BLA said:

All the FDA has to do is "APPROVE FOR OFF-LABEL USE". It would take 10 minutes and a signature.

Maybe the Republicans want to get the bail out bill thru before everyone realizes it may not be needed. At least not need as big a bailout. 

Their is some talk that they want to rest for optimal dosage. 

You know the real reason for the test kit delays was the CDC wanted to develop their own test kit.  They did but they did, they distributed the first batch, they did not work very well. Start over.

The bail out bill, if implemented, will provide a huge cash injection to the economy to launch it into moon rocket growth mode with a viable treatment coming right up. Nobody needs to wait to start using these drugs, any doctor can prescribe them. The protocol is already established with great results and the drugs are known and low risk with decades of experience behind them. 

I bet that doctors on the front lines are already on the combo to prevent infection as they are at ultra high risk to get it with fatal results. 

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16 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

If you start coughing stop taking them; unless you have severe hypertension or heart failure.

*this is not medical advice disclaimer*

If you show all the symptoms that your heart has failed, the coronavirus becomes irrelevant... 

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3 hours ago, 0R0 said:

I don't believe China has no new cases. I believe as Breitbart and Epoch Times are reporting, that they simply decided that it is over. Probably relying on herd immunity developed over the last 4 months since the start of the epidemic. Statistical models based on an R0 of 2.6 or so as measured earlier in the pandemic, would have extended the virus to most of the population by now whether at the low speed of the quarantine period, or before quarantine started. The risk of allowing Chinese travelers remains just as high as during the highest reported progression period. 

The Chinese reporting is entirely fictional. They only bother to say something if it is demonstrably false - in order to hide the embarrassing reality. 

They are now reporting 39 repatriated cases of foreign exposure 🙄

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28 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

If you show all the symptoms that your heart has failed, the coronavirus becomes irrelevant... 

People live with heart failure for a long time (50% still alive 5 years after Dx).  It just means your heart isn't working well  - not that its totally stopped.

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Im not sure whether its really a solution for CV but Ive just bought it in Poland. There will a deficit of this  drug in a moment. Fortunately we now produce one of this less efficient drugs for Cv 7 Days in a week 24h in Adamed factory in Pabianice.

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7 hours ago, J.mo said:

They are now reporting 39 repatriated cases of foreign exposure 🙄

Yeah, big surprise there. Somehow, someway, this whole corona virus thing will be the fault of someone, anyone, but China...

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The CDC needs a big "look over"  when all this is concluded. I read about their test kits...no reason for all that BS they put in there. To me they have proven just how incompetent they are. I think they need an enima down there in Atlanta.

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5 hours ago, surrept33 said:

Increase in chloroquine poisonings, shortages  in Nigeria (where it is OTC because of Malaria):

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/3076240/coronavirus-nigeria-reports-chloroquine-poisonings-after-donald

Good article on Chloroquine, Past and Present:

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/20/chloroquine-past-and-present

That was why Dr Raoult used hydroxy chloroquine, which is supposed to be much better tolerated and was demonstrated to be effective in his experiments. 

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On 3/20/2020 at 6:36 AM, Douglas Buckland said:

Yeah, big surprise there. Somehow, someway, this whole corona virus thing will be the fault of someone, anyone, but China...

Perhaps the virus?  Shit happens.

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2 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

Perhaps the virus?  Shit happens.

Coverups, lies, and deliberate pushing out of travelers out of China to the world is something China's Communist leadership DID. It was not just happening of its own. As it seems most likely that the CV19 came from Wuhan's pathogen containment lab, that would be a "shit" that was DONE as well. 

This is no place to play apologetics for China. 

They  DID it. 

 

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5 hours ago, surrept33 said:

Increase in chloroquine poisonings, shortages  in Nigeria (where it is OTC because of Malaria):

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/africa/article/3076240/coronavirus-nigeria-reports-chloroquine-poisonings-after-donald

Good article on Chloroquine, Past and Present:

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/20/chloroquine-past-and-present

Chloroquine has some side effects.  Better than going on a ventilator.  If you get to the point of the ventilator your chance of survival goes down.

Hydroxy- chloroquine has shown to be very effective without much of the side effects of  chloroquine.

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20 hours ago, BJblue said:

The CDC needs a big "look over"  when all this is concluded. I read about their test kits...no reason for all that BS they put in there. To me they have proven just how incompetent they are. I think they need an enima down there in Atlanta.

Anal retentive egghead assholes IMO!😆

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On 3/19/2020 at 7:19 PM, BLA said:

MY DOCTOR IN NYC SAYS SUPPLY IS GETTING LOW.

This is an easy drug to manufacture and literally dozens of pharmaceutical houses began the minute it dropped off the protected list, which was literally thirty or more years ago. Zithromax is easy to mass produce too. If this combo therapy really has worked as dramatically as it sounds, and the FDA won't approve it, I rather suspect President Trump will select a new FDA panel. This is no time to worry about a few side effects. 

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Good discussion of Covid 19 by Neil Howe, famed demographer. Including a review of the Oxford report from Nial Ferguson (sp?). The big question is simply what is the point of the quarantine and social distancing while the number of deaths is best minimized by hyper strictly quarantining the older and sicker generations and letting everyone else infect each other with abandon so that immunity reigns among the likely carriers and thus eventually eliminating the number of people carrying live virus. Far less economic damage and far safer for the at risk groups. 

Second issue is that Neither Howe nor Ferguson are dealing with the published list of tested treatments already established in China and S. Korea Taiwan Japan and Singapore, which should drop the mortality rate like a stone once they are applied broadly. I am pretty certain that China stopped testing because they have an effective set of treatments that between them can reduce mortality to a small fraction. The early application of the treatment with HCQ and azythromycin seem to be the easiest and cheapest. Let the medical community optimize the treatment regimens as they go along. The safety parameters for the older drugs are well established. We should not wait for anyone to jump through FDA hoops. 

Note that the China claim to be 95% running in large companies and over 60% in small private business is shown to be exagerated. Their container shipments - a lagging indicator continues to drop. 

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It looks allot more like they are 80% of the way to normal  With a large majority of office dwellers still working from home (about 20% of normal congestion vs. last year) So we should expect their oil consumption to remain down in proportion. So likely still around a 3 Mob/d oil consumption deficit remains for now from China. 

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As you go through the video note that the ship is the Diamond Princess, not King, and somewhere there is a May date given that is actually supposed to be March. 

 

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On 3/21/2020 at 5:29 PM, Gerry Maddoux said:

This is an easy drug to manufacture and literally dozens of pharmaceutical houses began the minute it dropped off the protected list, which was literally thirty or more years ago. Zithromax is easy to mass produce too. If this combo therapy really has worked as dramatically as it sounds, and the FDA won't approve it, I rather suspect President Trump will select a new FDA panel. This is no time to worry about a few side effects. 

I hear it is being used/trialed at several hospitals in NYC and Boston as of Friday.  These cities have received 10,000 units each.

As Trump said today (Saturday) as he sees it , "what have we got to lose ?"   

It is being prescribed for arthritis .  It's safe in proper dosage. The FDA EVEN APPROVED SAFE TO USE BY PREGNANT WOMEN.  

Dr. Fauci says , " EFFICACY ONLY ANECDOTAL". What a bunch of crap.  

This article just came out.  The pharma companies are ramping production.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-makes-the-case-for-chloroquine-as-a-covid-19-treatment-though-it-has-not-been-approved-by-the-fda-for-this-illness-2020-03-19

Teva , Mylan and Bayer are aggressively increasing production. 

Looks like Trump is pushing the FDA to give the OK. 

Let's hope this does the job.  I think Trump's intuition is correct on this.  As he says " a game changer "

Nothing's guaranteed. BUT saving a couple of months can save thousands of lives and $ TRILLIONS of dollars for U.S. economy. 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, BLA said:

I hear it is being used/trialed at numerous hospitals in NYC and Boston as of Friday.  These cities have received 10,000 units each.

As Trump said today (Saturday) as he sees it , "what have we got to lose ?"   It is being prescribed for arthritis .  It's safe in proper dosage. 

This article just be out.  The pharma companies are ramping production.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-makes-the-case-for-chloroquine-as-a-covid-19-treatment-though-it-has-not-been-approved-by-the-fda-for-this-illness-2020-03-19

Teva , Mylan and Bayer are aggressively increasing production. 

Looks like Trump is pushing the FDA to give the OK. 

Let's hope this does the job.  I think Trump's intuition is correct on this.  

 

 

We shall see on the Futures tomorrow to see if the markets think it is the solution. Better indication than a medical opinion.

But this does not solve the Eurodollar market problem - not for China banks nor for EU banks that never fully recapitalized. Besides which, we already have the Travel and hospitality industries damaged - completely shut down. Much of manufacturing damaged by Union driven or political command closures. Tech companies will be running out of Chinese assembled boards, and some components. 74% of manufacturers report having missing components or materials hindering production. So even if it is a successful, there is a large amount of damage to fix in the financing of these damaged companies and their workers. About 2.5 million workers are expected to file for unemployment in the coming Thursday report.  

 

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On 3/20/2020 at 6:12 AM, Tomasz said:

...it is not so bad as if the mass protests of the Yellow Vests and the burning of the Notre Dame Cathedral could indicate.

the fire, smoke and etc might have helped France resisting the spread of CV, like Hong Kong with the months long riot......... (virus is said can be burnt by fire, choked by smoke or stuck on the ground by saliva from the massive protesting crowd.......)

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On 3/19/2020 at 1:42 PM, 0R0 said:

The results are fantastic for the combined Hydroxy-chloroquine and azithromycin protocol.

10 days to clear >90% of patients to the level of no live virus is downright spectacular. 

The covid 19 crisis is now likely to wind down.

Time for the FDA to shut up and get out of the way. Why is it there anyway?

Fast track that despite complaints by the retroviral makers and vaccine makers. Shut up the deep state moochers and their clients. I sense a Monty Python giant foot coming down on the FDA from the White House. 

Dr. Fauci not at todays daily briefing ?  Trump might be right on this one.  Kudos to him if it works.

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2 hours ago, BLA said:

Dr. Fauci not at todays daily briefing ?  Trump might be right on this one.  Kudos to him if it works.

It was not his idea. 

Kudos to him if he spreads a French/Chinese idea for a drug that is almost exclusively made in Europe.

Globalism may kill us or save us.   When the cure comes from outside you should tariff those imports...

The virus will spread socialism, both by killing fossil humans preferentially and by making people realize they need support their corporate masters wont give.

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Look at the fatality age demographic and compare it to the democrat / republican age distribution.

The virus is selectively killing fossil humans / republicans.

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On 3/24/2020 at 4:22 AM, Enthalpic said:

It was not his idea. 

Kudos to him if he spreads a French/Chinese idea for a drug that is almost exclusively made in Europe.

Globalism may kill us or save us.   When the cure comes from outside you should tariff those imports...

The virus will spread socialism, both by killing fossil humans preferentially and by making people realize they need support their corporate masters wont give.

The Kudos were for INSISTING that the U.S. should  move forward with the therapy immediately as opposed to the FDA and Dr. Fauci's silencing any talk about the possible solution until a 2000 patient study is completed by the end of summer 6 MONTHS FROM NOW.  Even though Trump knew he would be severely criticized for doing so. 

NOTE : THE CHINESE DID NOT RELEASE THEIR STUDY UNTIL AFTER THE FRENCH DATA WAS MADE PUBLIC.  

THE CCP ARE SUCH A BUNCH OF THUGS. They held back a critical medical paper from the world. 

Right now I'm watching CNN criticize the President for talking about the HCQ + ZPAK Trials.  Unbelievable. 

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On 3/21/2020 at 3:40 PM, 0R0 said:

Coverups, lies, and deliberate pushing out of travelers out of China to the world is something China's Communist leadership DID. It was not just happening of its own.

Are you saying they deliberately , knowingly sent infected Chinese around the world to infect other countries ? 

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1 hour ago, BLA said:

Are you saying they deliberately , knowingly sent infected Chinese around the world to infect other countries ? 

Yes. But not by selecting infected people to send out but by letting people continue to travel when they had locked down Wuhan already. Knowing statistically that they are sending out enough people to seed a pandemic everywhere they went. 

Once they were facing the problem then they wanted the whole world to have it. That is why they protested the obvious precaution of blocking travel from China to the US etc. The most definitely did not want to be alone in having an economic and financial crisis. There was an enormous amount of face to lose if only they had the problem and it was only a blip outside of China. That is why they were so adamant about their obvious lies like no human to human transmission, no transfer by aerosol, no transfer by touch on objects. None of this information  from China was true, all of it became known from other country's early cases of the disease and lab tests.

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