How to Create a Pandemic

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Thought exercise, if you are so inclined.  Follow the logic below.  It does not mean this is true.  But hopefully it may be thought provoking.

Unless you prefer to religiously believe the scare tactics blasting out incessantly on the media, that millions and millions of people will die, and the entire world needs to be shut down and quarantined in order to "save it" from destruction.

Like a Coronavirus New Deal, but with a 12 week timeline, rather than the 12 year timeline for the Green New Deal to save the planet from destruction.  Similar scare tactics.

 

https://twitter.com/GAwakening2020/with_replies

 

Edited March 29, 2020 by Qanoil

[James Regan + 1,776]

10 minutes ago, Qanoil said:

Thought exercise, if you are so inclined.  Follow the logic below.  It does not mean this is true.  But hopefully it may be thought provoking.

Unless you prefer to religiously believe the scare tactics blasting out incessantly on the media, that millions and millions of people will die, and the entire world needs to be shut down and quarantined in order to "save it" from destruction.

Like a Coronavirus New Deal, but with a 12 week timeline, rather than the 12 year timeline for the Green New Deal to save the planet from destruction.  Similar scare tactics.

 

https://twitter.com/GAwakening2020/with_replies

 

Great source - Read some of the other crap this "source is spouting"

[Qanoil + 116]

3 hours ago, James Regan said:

Great source - Read some of the other crap this "source is spouting"

Ok, how about a different source.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6649511654377734149-ASPQ

[R.P. + 1]

Try again.

"According to data that Hu said the company has filed with the FDA, its serological test was validated using 47 samples from coronavirus patients and began to detect antibodies 10 days after infection. The company also ran the test against hundreds of COVID-19–free samples from blood banks to confirm that it does not mistakenly pick up antibodies for related viruses that cause the common cold. Catherine Blish, an immunologist at Stanford University, told me that other scientists have developed a COVID-19 antibody test that picks up infection earlier, but there is often a trade-off between how specific a test is and how early it can detect an infection. “They managed to get very fabulous specificity,” she said. United Biomedical is now waiting for emergency-use authorization from the FDA, but certified labs can offer testing in the meantime because of the public-health emergency." 

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-tests-everyone-tiny-colorado-county/608590/
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.17.20037713v1.full.pdf

[surrept33 + 609]

This implies that there has been PCR tests with high specificity to SARS-CoV-2 since at least January:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41587-020-00002-2

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

Anyone who thinks this is a joke, a scam, or some scaremongering can take a good look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igC9X1k8rUA

The problem with this specific virus is that it is so easily transmissable.  My guess is that the true death rate is somewhere between 10% and 20% instead of the apparent 3.5%, given that you will get those false positives as to partial RNA strands.  either way, it is a nasty one, putting lots and lots on respirators for two to three weeks.  And therein lies part of the problem:  there are vastly fewer ICU (intensive care units) beds in hospitals, and respirators, than are needed.  For example, tiny Vermont has only 217 ICU beds and only 210 respirators for a population of over 600,000 people.  You get overload very quickly as the disease spreads so quickly.  In NYC, they are short some 28,000 respirators, so elmhurst Hospital has this refrigerated 45-ft trailer truck backed up tothe back loading door, where they are stacking the bodies. When you have a hundred a day dying off, it is a lot.  NYC now hs over 25,000 cases, and no hospital beds free.  Now the Federal Govt has a stock of some 20,000 respirators in inventory, but Trump refuses to relese them, so they sit in boxes in some warehouse.  Brtilliant.

The richer New Yorkers are fleeing the city.  The Governor of Rhode Island has set up a police roadblock on the interstate road at the B order to stop all inbound cars with New York license plates.  the State guard is at the Airport, train stations, and bus depots to interrogate all incoming New Yorkers and put them into quarantine. Panic?  Maybe.  But given the trnsmissability of this virus, it seems prudent enough. 

Economic activity in the USA is now at 20%.  That is huge. Millions are unemployed.  That is huge.  Will the country recover?  I don't think so.  I think the USA is headed for a real-estate bubble collapse, with home prices dropping by 50%.  Do the real-estate agents grasp this?  Of course not.  They are living in disbelief.  Meanwhile folks are getting their monthlyh 401-k retirement account statements and see that they have a 37% devaluation of their assets.  So, who is in a spending mood with that?  Nobody.  I think the US economy is headed for a much lower plateau, and will end up something like Portugal, still there, but not doing much.  

 

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

4 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

Anyone who thinks this is a joke, a scam, or some scaremongering can take a good look at this:

When people they know start passing they will learn.

 

[Enthalpic + 1,496]

8 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

Anyone who thinks this is a joke, a scam, or some scaremongering can take a good look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igC9X1k8rUA

The problem with this specific virus is that it is so easily transmissable.  My guess is that the true death rate is somewhere between 10% and 20% instead of the apparent 3.5%, given that you will get those false positives as to partial RNA strands.  either way, it is a nasty one, putting lots and lots on respirators for two to three weeks.  And therein lies part of the problem:  there are vastly fewer ICU (intensive care units) beds in hospitals, and respirators, than are needed.  For example, tiny Vermont has only 217 ICU beds and only 210 respirators for a population of over 600,000 people.  You get overload very quickly as the disease spreads so quickly.  In NYC, they are short some 28,000 respirators, so elmhurst Hospital has this refrigerated 45-ft trailer truck backed up tothe back loading door, where they are stacking the bodies. When you have a hundred a day dying off, it is a lot.  NYC now hs over 25,000 cases, and no hospital beds free.  Now the Federal Govt has a stock of some 20,000 respirators in inventory, but Trump refuses to relese them, so they sit in boxes in some warehouse.  Brtilliant.

The richer New Yorkers are fleeing the city.  The Governor of Rhode Island has set up a police roadblock on the interstate road at the B order to stop all inbound cars with New York license plates.  the State guard is at the Airport, train stations, and bus depots to interrogate all incoming New Yorkers and put them into quarantine. Panic?  Maybe.  But given the trnsmissability of this virus, it seems prudent enough. 

Economic activity in the USA is now at 20%.  That is huge. Millions are unemployed.  That is huge.  Will the country recover?  I don't think so.  I think the USA is headed for a real-estate bubble collapse, with home prices dropping by 50%.  Do the real-estate agents grasp this?  Of course not.  They are living in disbelief.  Meanwhile folks are getting their monthlyh 401-k retirement account statements and see that they have a 37% devaluation of their assets.  So, who is in a spending mood with that?  Nobody.  I think the US economy is headed for a much lower plateau, and will end up something like Portugal, still there, but not doing much.  

 

https://open-source-covid-19-ventilator-canada.mn.co/

Use your connections! Save a life

Edited March 29, 2020 by Enthalpic

[James Regan + 1,776]

4 hours ago, Qanoil said:

Ok, how about a different source.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6649511654377734149-ASPQ

I follow this turd as well, just for laughs

[Qanoil + 116]

2 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

Anyone who thinks this is a joke, a scam, or some scaremongering can take a good look at this:

Please take a look at this:

Questioning Media Scaremongering at Brooklyn Hospital

[ronwagn + 6,290]

9 hours ago, Qanoil said:

Thought exercise, if you are so inclined.  Follow the logic below.  It does not mean this is true.  But hopefully it may be thought provoking.

Unless you prefer to religiously believe the scare tactics blasting out incessantly on the media, that millions and millions of people will die, and the entire world needs to be shut down and quarantined in order to "save it" from destruction.

Like a Coronavirus New Deal, but with a 12 week timeline, rather than the 12 year timeline for the Green New Deal to save the planet from destruction.  Similar scare tactics.

 

https://twitter.com/GAwakening2020/with_replies

 

Very interesting, especially if this has been true for any or all of the tests we have used. Needs verification from reliable sources though. 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

3 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

Anyone who thinks this is a joke, a scam, or some scaremongering can take a good look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igC9X1k8rUA

The problem with this specific virus is that it is so easily transmissable.  My guess is that the true death rate is somewhere between 10% and 20% instead of the apparent 3.5%, given that you will get those false positives as to partial RNA strands.  either way, it is a nasty one, putting lots and lots on respirators for two to three weeks.  And therein lies part of the problem:  there are vastly fewer ICU (intensive care units) beds in hospitals, and respirators, than are needed.  For example, tiny Vermont has only 217 ICU beds and only 210 respirators for a population of over 600,000 people.  You get overload very quickly as the disease spreads so quickly.  In NYC, they are short some 28,000 respirators, so elmhurst Hospital has this refrigerated 45-ft trailer truck backed up tothe back loading door, where they are stacking the bodies. When you have a hundred a day dying off, it is a lot.  NYC now hs over 25,000 cases, and no hospital beds free.  Now the Federal Govt has a stock of some 20,000 respirators in inventory, but Trump refuses to relese them, so they sit in boxes in some warehouse.  Brtilliant.

The richer New Yorkers are fleeing the city.  The Governor of Rhode Island has set up a police roadblock on the interstate road at the B order to stop all inbound cars with New York license plates.  the State guard is at the Airport, train stations, and bus depots to interrogate all incoming New Yorkers and put them into quarantine. Panic?  Maybe.  But given the trnsmissability of this virus, it seems prudent enough. 

Economic activity in the USA is now at 20%.  That is huge. Millions are unemployed.  That is huge.  Will the country recover?  I don't think so.  I think the USA is headed for a real-estate bubble collapse, with home prices dropping by 50%.  Do the real-estate agents grasp this?  Of course not.  They are living in disbelief.  Meanwhile folks are getting their monthlyh 401-k retirement account statements and see that they have a 37% devaluation of their assets.  So, who is in a spending mood with that?  Nobody.  I think the US economy is headed for a much lower plateau, and will end up something like Portugal, still there, but not doing much.  

 

 

 

 

Dinesh D'Souza

 

@DineshDSouza

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5h

 

Something doesn’t add up. The global panic and extreme action seem massively disproportionate to what we know about #CoronaVirus (for instance, its mortality rate). So either we are overreacting to a ridiculous degree, or they are not telling us something

[Qanoil + 116]

1 hour ago, Qanoil said:

Please take a look at this:

Questioning Media Scaremongering at Brooklyn Hospital

Similar empty hospital in Germany, reserved for Coronavirus patients.  Weird.  Nothing at all like the media is portraying.  

https://www.bitchute.com/video/zcF2o4J2/

If the bitchute link doesn't work, it is temporarily saved here  Crisis Corona Hospital in Berlin appears Empty

 

Edited March 29, 2020 by Qanoil

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,537]

4 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

Anyone who thinks this is a joke, a scam, or some scaremongering can take a good look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igC9X1k8rUA

The problem with this specific virus is that it is so easily transmissable.  My guess is that the true death rate is somewhere between 10% and 20% instead of the apparent 3.5%, given that you will get those false positives as to partial RNA strands.  either way, it is a nasty one, putting lots and lots on respirators for two to three weeks.  And therein lies part of the problem:  there are vastly fewer ICU (intensive care units) beds in hospitals, and respirators, than are needed.  For example, tiny Vermont has only 217 ICU beds and only 210 respirators for a population of over 600,000 people.  You get overload very quickly as the disease spreads so quickly.  In NYC, they are short some 28,000 respirators, so elmhurst Hospital has this refrigerated 45-ft trailer truck backed up tothe back loading door, where they are stacking the bodies. When you have a hundred a day dying off, it is a lot.  NYC now hs over 25,000 cases, and no hospital beds free.  Now the Federal Govt has a stock of some 20,000 respirators in inventory, but Trump refuses to relese them, so they sit in boxes in some warehouse.  Brtilliant.

The richer New Yorkers are fleeing the city.  The Governor of Rhode Island has set up a police roadblock on the interstate road at the B order to stop all inbound cars with New York license plates.  the State guard is at the Airport, train stations, and bus depots to interrogate all incoming New Yorkers and put them into quarantine. Panic?  Maybe.  But given the trnsmissability of this virus, it seems prudent enough. 

Economic activity in the USA is now at 20%.  That is huge. Millions are unemployed.  That is huge.  Will the country recover?  I don't think so.  I think the USA is headed for a real-estate bubble collapse, with home prices dropping by 50%.  Do the real-estate agents grasp this?  Of course not.  They are living in disbelief.  Meanwhile folks are getting their monthlyh 401-k retirement account statements and see that they have a 37% devaluation of their assets.  So, who is in a spending mood with that?  Nobody.  I think the US economy is headed for a much lower plateau, and will end up something like Portugal, still there, but not doing much.  

 

I believe your post will speak to the truth of what is about to happen, unless the approach to this virus takes a very aggressive turn the US could very well collapse to a third world status..Comercial markets are highly dependent upon cash flow....there is no such thing as a 60 day float.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/29/coronavirus-mall-owner-taubman-is-telling-tenants-they-must-pay-rent.html

Edited March 29, 2020 by Eyes Wide Open

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2 hours ago, Qanoil said:

Please take a look at this:

Questioning Media Scaremongering at Brooklyn Hospital

 

Elsewhere in NYC (early last week, probably worse now):

Probably no reason to start building field hospitals in central park of all places if this was all a overblown conspiracy.

 

 

 

[Boat + 1,315]

Of course there will be an economic collapse. But there will be trillions in new debt by the rich snapping up little risk extreme bargains. Nothing new. Warren Buffett has like 135 billion in cash. You think him and others won’t be snapping up cheap factories? It costs almost nothing to borrow if you have collateral and a decent track record. No, the sky won’t fall, just transfer in ownership.

Edited March 30, 2020 by Boat

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,537]

50 minutes ago, Boat said:

Of course there will be an economic collapse. But there will be trillions in new debt by the rich snapping up little risk extreme bargains. Nothing new. Warren Buffett has like 135 billion in cash. You think him and others won’t be snapping up cheap factories? It costs almost nothing to borrow if you have collateral and a decent track record. No, the sky won’t fall, just transfer in ownership.

As one person stated so clearly economic output is at 20% percent, let's keep that simple..the well is dry. From there its a upstream event, Amazon has already severely weakened the retail environment Covid may well have broken its back. Demand destruction or maybe obliteration..take your pick.

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

6 hours ago, Qanoil said:

Please take a look at this:

Questioning Media Scaremongering at Brooklyn Hospital

Sorry, but what is being postured as "reporting" by that fellow is without foundation. 

He complains that there are no lines of people for -19 testing.  So what?  For all he knows, that hospital is without test kits.  But he does not look into that, all he does is cast aspersions.

He complains that there are no ambulances lined up at the Emergency docks.  So what?  Are the crews being instructed by dispatch to go to some other hospital, as this one is not capable of dealing with -19 patients?  He has no idea.  Nobody on staff is being interviewed.  All you have is this fellow prowling around and making his own ideas up.  This fellow is worthless.  Ignore him. 

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

6 hours ago, ronwagn said:

So either we are overreacting to a ridiculous degree, or they are not telling us something

Or both.  Look, it is human nature to over-react.  The bogeyman is under your bed, along with the Communists.  How many years has that song been sung?   

What "they are not telling you" is that the fatality rate of this disease is a lot higher than anyone lets on.  My hunch is that it is at least 10% and could go to 20%.  Why?  Because it is so infectious and rapidly develops into pneumonia.  It gets transmitted by touch, or touching a surface that an infected person touches.  That is a disastrous combination. A city like New York is not set up to deal with this, it has the dimensions of a Biblical plague.  Right now the Javits Convention Center is being converted into a field hospital, where thousands will be laying on stretchers and gurneys on the convention floor.  Sound like 1918?  Sure does to me. 

And as always, anyone who is not fit is going to take the worst of it.  That is a lot of people, when some 30% of society is already obese and sedentary. 

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47 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

Or both.  Look, it is human nature to over-react.  The bogeyman is under your bed, along with the Communists.  How many years has that song been sung?   

What "they are not telling you" is that the fatality rate of this disease is a lot higher than anyone lets on.  My hunch is that it is at least 10% and could go to 20%.  Why?  Because it is so infectious and rapidly develops into pneumonia.  It gets transmitted by touch, or touching a surface that an infected person touches.  That is a disastrous combination. A city like New York is not set up to deal with this, it has the dimensions of a Biblical plague.  Right now the Javits Convention Center is being converted into a field hospital, where thousands will be laying on stretchers and gurneys on the convention floor.  Sound like 1918?  Sure does to me. 

And as always, anyone who is not fit is going to take the worst of it.  That is a lot of people, when some 30% of society is already obese and sedentary. 

Jan, it is not about being obese and sedentary. It is about being old, diabetic, having heart issues, breathing problems or other major problems. Many of those patients will die, but they are not enough to make the death number go sky high. The deep state is blowing this out of all proportion IMO. This can only be to get rid of President Trump and they are willing to use this terrible boosting of hysteria to try to do it. That is just my theory OK. Sure we have a Covid 19 problem but Fauci just made some very crazy statements and then immediately allowed himself an OUT. That tells me he is full of shit and playing the deep state game. 

Here are the statements

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/white-house-experts-offer-grim-165014937.html

White House Experts Offer Grim Coronavirus Predictions On Sunday Talk Shows: “100,000 to 200,000 Deaths,” Says Dr. Anthony Fauci

48.1 Original article

https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-us-will-see-millions-of-cases-100000-coronavirus-deaths-2020-3 

US will have 'millions of cases' and over 100,000 coronavirus-related deaths, Fauci says

He actually said 100,000 to 200,000 deaths but then wavered to create an out. I think Fauci is an alarmist! RCW

Here is my topic on the CCP Wuhan Coronavirus

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MXY8T0j7k0oUBsHW4BfjJM__DRIyzqrDf_FSlV4hHpw/edit#

 

Edited March 30, 2020 by ronwagn

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

I am NOT a medically or a financially trained person. I am an engineer and approach problems from that perspective.

We now have roughly 8 billion people on the planet. Travel around the world in a matter of hours is commonplace. It is impossible to lockdown either a city, let alone a country, effectively.

The COVID-19 virus is extremely contagious.

This virus is out there among us and there is not much, if anything we can do to stop it’s spread. Lockdowns are a joke if you still allow for food and other deliveries by couriers ‘protected’ simply by masks and hand sanitizers. If mass transit systems are still in operation, with only masks and hand sanitizer available, the social distancing requirement becomes a farce.

I understand the idea of slowing the spread of the virus, but in reality we are sticking our finger in the dike, giving us the impression that we are actually doing something while the medical professionals and scientists try to develop treatments and a vaccine.

That being the case, why don’t we stop second guessing anything and everything which is being done to combat the pandemic? I see hundreds of responses on this forum saying we should be doing this, or we should have done that...and I would be willing to bet that the majority of those posting are as ignorant as I am concerning either the medical science, financial manipulations or the economy!

I would say that at the moment, ‘it is what it is’ and let the true professionals get on with their jobs - what other choice do you have. Perhaps bitching and moaning is therapeutic.

Did politicians make mistakes while addressing this pandemic, most assuredly. Let’s learn from the mistakes! Is there a shortage of material and equipment, undoubtedly. Take the necessary steps to address the issue.

We’ll either get through this, or we won’t, it is out of our hands at this point.

Help your neighbors, share what you have, remain optimistic and let’s ride this out.

[ronwagn + 6,290]

How often do we have a treatment plan that works extremely well for a brand new disease? Well here is one of several proven to work and the meds are cheap and available in mass quantities. Trump was right again, let's start using it ASAP for all appropriate patients. 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/breaking-fda-issues-emergency-authorization-for-hydroxychloroquine-to-be-prescribed-to-coronavirus-patients/

[ronwagn + 6,290]

https://dnyuz.com/2020/03/29/fda-approves-battelles-process-to-decontaminate-n95-face-masks-but-limits-it-to-10000-per-day/

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

On 3/29/2020 at 11:37 PM, ronwagn said:

The deep state is blowing this out of all proportion IMO.

Probably not.  

 

On 3/29/2020 at 11:37 PM, ronwagn said:

This can only be to get rid of President Trump and they are willing to use this terrible boosting of hysteria to try to do it.

No chance. 

On 3/29/2020 at 11:37 PM, ronwagn said:

White House Experts Offer Grim Coronavirus Predictions On Sunday Talk Shows: “100,000 to 200,000 Deaths,” Says Dr. Anthony Fauci

He assumes that there will be a coherent and uniform medical response to this virus.  I don't think so.  I suspect a lot more will die.  If you assume an overall infection rate of 60% of the US population, then that is 185 million.  If your death rate is a miniscule 0.5%, then that is already 900,000 dead.  If you assume a more realistic floor of 5%, then that is 9 million.  Either way, that is a lot.  It also implies that real estate is headed for a price deflation, and the constructioin industry is headed for oblivion.  Lots of problems, unless lockdown shuts down this virus.

But let's all remember how this got started:  it is the Chinese going out into the wilds and capturing anteaters, including the ones in Africa caught by natives in the bush, then brought back to China for slaughter in those "wet markets."  No surprise, that virus, a parasite indis the anteater, finds fresh soil in humans - and there are a lot of humans, in close proximity. It turns out the pathway is through coughing and touch of contaminated surfaces, then touching the face and nose/mouth.  So it takes off like wildfire.  The virus does not do much inside that anteater, it is just hitching a ride.  But now it got off that host, and found itself a new, mobile host as fertile ground to go infect.  So the virus is not concerned about the life span of the host, as it will have jumped off to another human host before this first host dies.  It can and will replicate, burning through the human population.  

You can, in theory, stop it by shutting town the infection transmission vector.  Jusrt as sexual contact results in transmission of STDs, so does human contact transmit the -19.  Trump had the right idea, shut off the pathways, But once lodged inside a new population, then it is up to "the locals" to beat it back.  Will they?  Judging by the ridiculous behavior of the young kids on college Spring Break, that outlook is dismal.  So now the Governors are trying physical barriers, such as the Governor of Rhode Island putting barricades on the Interstate I-95.   Desperate times call for desperate measures.   Desperate times call for desperate measures. 

Edited April 4, 2020 by Jan van Eck
typing error

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

Yes, regardless of what infection rate or fatality rate you ‘assume’, people are going to die from this thing - that’s a given.

I really do not see any benefit at present to keep making assumptions and posting the results of these assumptions.

This mental exercise does not increase the number of ventilators, masks, toilet paper, or of else.

Why keep spreading doom and gloom??The mass media has that well covered.