NY Gov Cuomo (D) allowed hydroxychloroquine . It worked. He asked Trump for more. Look at NY stats. Mass Gov Baker (Rhino) would not allow. His stats continue to get worse.

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Governor Cuomo NY results are beyond belief.  Beyond even the most optimistic results. 

Even Michigan State Rep (Democrat) whom was extremely ill from Covid19 credits HCQ for saving her life.

She heard about it from Trump while watching TV.  She had her husband get a prescription even though her Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer threatened to take the medical license of any doctor that prescribed HCQ. 

https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/michigan-democrat-says-hydroxychloroquine-saved-her-life/

I saw a CNN anchor now changing her tune. She previously called HCQ snake oil. She said Trump ignores science and by mentioning hydroxychloroquine killed people.  Now she says, "Oh, we just need to determine the proper dosage before it can be used" and then added , "there were some horror stories, you know". Then she referenced the couple in Texas that ate fish tank cleaner. 

 

Edited April 22, 2020 by BLA

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The Honorable Govenor Cuomo also felt that he, and New York, were entitled to each and every ventilator in the US stockpile, ignoring the fact that the other 49 states were at risk as well.

This shows his true character.

Edited April 16, 2020 by Douglas Buckland
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[LiamP + 168]

4 hours ago, BLA said:

Governor Cuomo NY results are beyond belief.  Beyond even the most optimistic results. 

I'd be interested to see NY data. Got a link where you can see state by state figures? Worldometer only seems to have graphs for the whole country with only the latest numbers broken down by state. Cheers

 

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9 minutes ago, LiamP said:

I'd be interested to see NY data. Got a link where you can see state by state figures? Worldometer only seems to have graphs for the whole country with only the latest numbers broken down by state. Cheers

 

Google it. 

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Thanks, I guess 🙄. I'll get on it!

[BradleyPNW + 282]

"Hydroxychloroquine is a miracle cure! Everyone who takes it in New York is instantly cured!" 

Do you have a source? 

"Google it!"

Source is crackpot websites run by Alex Jones. 

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Meanwhile, in the real world. 

"No evidence of clinical efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalized for COVID-19 infection with oxygen requirement: results of a study using routinely collected data to emulate a target trial"

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.10.20060699v1

[BLA + 1,666]

3 hours ago, BradleyPNW said:

"Hydroxychloroquine is a miracle cure! Everyone who takes it in New York is instantly cured!" 

Do you have a source? 

"Google it!"

Source is crackpot websites run by Alex Jones. 

Pinhead

Hannity, Jones, ________?  Who else do you hate ?

Can't we just get along.  

Did the virus originate in China ?  No need to respond , your answer is known. 

People in this country get to use their minds to decide what is good for them. 

All states aren't ready to relax quarantine.  We have to start soon. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by BLA

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7 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

The Honorable Govenor Cuomo also felt that he, and New York, were entitled to each and every ventilator in the US stockpile, ignoring the fact that the other 49 states were at risk as well.

This shows his true character.

It shows that he is the governor of NY - not of anywhere else.

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5 hours ago, BradleyPNW said:

Meanwhile, in the real world. 

"No evidence of clinical efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients hospitalized for COVID-19 infection with oxygen requirement: results of a study using routinely collected data to emulate a target trial"

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.10.20060699v1

Those are late stage patients that do not stand to substantially benefit from eradication of the virus and protection of hemoglobin by viral attack. They already need additional treatments to just survive even if the virus were instantaneously to disappear. 

You are cherry picking irrelevant support for the absolutely wrong conclusion due to a political bias that is blinding you to actual fact. 

You take a non-trial that amounts to giving dead people a treatment just to find that they are just as dead after it as they had been before.  

You and your ilk are DERANGED.

Edited April 17, 2020 by 0R0

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A new randomized trial in China with HCQ monotherapy did not find meaningful changes in viral load. Fairly large doses:

https://reason.com/2020/04/16/hydroxychloroquine-trial-for-treating-covid-19-disappoints/

 

 

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JAB DEFENCE 

CORONAVIRUS death rates are almost six times lower in countries that give out the BCG vaccine, experts have discovered.

The century-old jab was developed to protect against the bacterial infection tuberculosis - with children aged ten to 14 getting a mandatory injection.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11352531/coronavirus-death-rate-lower-countries-bcg-vaccine/

You should have a circle on your left or right shoulder as proof that you had this vaccine.

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2 minutes ago, surrept33 said:

A new randomized trial in China with HCQ monotherapy did not find meaningful changes in viral load. Fairly large doses:

https://reason.com/2020/04/16/hydroxychloroquine-trial-for-treating-covid-19-disappoints/

 

 

That has not been the way to use hydroxychloroquine. It has to be used with an additional agent to stop replication in the cell. HCQ only protects your hemoglobin and slows virus spread through the blood stream. It is the azithromax that stops RNA replication in the infected cell, same way it functions against a bacteria. 

I don't know why anyone bothered to do this study.

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5 minutes ago, SUZNV said:

JAB DEFENCE 

CORONAVIRUS death rates are almost six times lower in countries that give out the BCG vaccine, experts have discovered.

The century-old jab was developed to protect against the bacterial infection tuberculosis - with children aged ten to 14 getting a mandatory injection.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11352531/coronavirus-death-rate-lower-countries-bcg-vaccine/

You should have a circle on your left or right shoulder as proof that you had this vaccine.

Covid-19 mortality per one million for low-middle-income, upper-middle-income and high-income countries were found to be 0.4, 0.65 and 5.5, respectively.

The team said that the fact the wealthier nations had a higher death rate was "counter-intuitive" but were unable to explain why.

 

That was an interesting finding. I wonder if that is because the susceptible people in low income countries simply have died already from their comorbidities. The people with diabetes, COPD heart disease etc. did not make it into their 70s and 80s so were not there to die of CV19. While in affluent nations we managed to prop up this demographic group so they are still with us - even if, perhaps, they would rather not be.

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17 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

Covid-19 mortality per one million for low-middle-income, upper-middle-income and high-income countries were found to be 0.4, 0.65 and 5.5, respectively.

The team said that the fact the wealthier nations had a higher death rate was "counter-intuitive" but were unable to explain why.

 

That was an interesting finding. I wonder if that is because the susceptible people in low income countries simply have died already from their comorbidities. The people with diabetes, COPD heart disease etc. did not make it into their 70s and 80s so were not there to die of CV19. While in affluent nations we managed to prop up this demographic group so they are still with us - even if, perhaps, they would rather not be.

In NZ, south east asia origin toddlers will have this BCG for free compulsorily  because are prone to tuberculosis. With kiwi (NZ) origin, they have to pay money for this vaccine on their kids but almost no one border to have it.

I don't think Vietnam can hide it if people suddenly die on the street. Facebook or google is not banned in Vietnam and It is thirsty for oversea remittances. And It  has less diabetes percentage and Life expectancy is 75.24 year.

Edited April 17, 2020 by SUZNV

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ATTENTION!  ATTENTION ONE AND ALL! (but most especially  surrept and Bradley)

As Oro has just pointed out, the 2 linked studies from surrept and Brad's post showed dosages to infected patients of HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE ONLY!!! This is MEANINGLESS - at best - as ALL the publicized successful applications SPECIFICALLY ... CLEARLY ... emphasize that the addition of Zinc - optimally as Zpack and sulfate -  are needed to effect a successful outcome.

You fucks come accross as either stupid, lazy, or fucking liars ... possibly a combination of all three.

[Gerry Maddoux + 3,627]

Try not to be so self-contained, Coffee!

😂

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It is said, rhat after or government repeated claimed that WHO was overestimating the covid-19 risk that so many are willing to claim that WHO’s warning were not strong enough. Most of the scientist I know suggests the problem is many people simply are not familiar with the concept of an exponential curve. My job dropped when I heard Trump claim that we only had 15 cases of covid-19 and we had it under control. At that point, we had a fairly good idea of the situation in China. It was so severe that Chinese order a strict lockdown in Wuhan. Locks were placed on the doors of the high rises and guards were put in place to make sure no one tried to get out. What happened in Wuhan was widely reported in the US. During that period the mistake people were making was assuming that the lockdown was about the covid-19 death rate. When in actually, the concern was about Covid-19 overwhelming the healthcare system. Given the history of the WHO in the efforts to control small pox, Ebola, MERS, SARS and Zika the last thing the world should be thinking about is weakening the WHO. Of course the problem is few people in the US know anything about Ebola, MERS, SARS or Zika. 

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8 minutes ago, Ron Ron said:

It is said, rhat after or government repeated claimed that WHO was overestimating the covid-19 risk that so many are willing to claim that WHO’s warning were not strong enough. Most of the scientist I know suggests the problem is many people simply are not familiar with the concept of an exponential curve. My job dropped when I heard Trump claim that we only had 15 cases of covid-19 and we had it under control. At that point, we had a fairly good idea of the situation in China. It was so severe that Chinese order a strict lockdown in Wuhan. Locks were placed on the doors of the high rises and guards were put in place to make sure no one tried to get out. What happened in Wuhan was widely reported in the US. During that period the mistake people were making was assuming that the lockdown was about the covid-19 death rate. When in actually, the concern was about Covid-19 overwhelming the healthcare system. Given the history of the WHO in the efforts to control small pox, Ebola, MERS, SARS and Zika the last thing the world should be thinking about is weakening the WHO. Of course the problem is few people in the US know anything about Ebola, MERS, SARS or Zika. 

So the US government disagrees with you and is witholding funding pending an investigation. Instead of trying to ridicule the US for witholding funding, why don’t the rest of the WHO members step up to the plate, increase THEIR level of funding by less than 1% each, and cover the shortfall?

Oh....forgot, the US is the cash cow for the UN. My mistake.

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39 minutes ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

Try not to be so self-contained, Coffee!

😂

Well sometimes it just works out...go figure.

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2 hours ago, Coffeeguyzz said:

ATTENTION!  ATTENTION ONE AND ALL! (but most especially  surrept and Bradley)

As Oro has just pointed out, the 2 linked studies from surrept and Brad's post showed dosages to infected patients of HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE ONLY!!! This is MEANINGLESS - at best - as ALL the publicized successful applications SPECIFICALLY ... CLEARLY ... emphasize that the addition of Zinc - optimally as Zpack and sulfate -  are needed to effect a successful outcome.

You fucks come accross as either stupid, lazy, or fucking liars ... possibly a combination of all three.

Uh, a small Chinese study last month showed benefits in HCQ monotherapy, and the Gautret/Raoult study showed decreased viral load in  the group that had HCQ monotherapy. Obviously there are benefits if the monotherapy is efficacious itself, since the HCQ+azithromycin combo seems to cause QT prolongation (>500ms) in a lot more people (this was a subject of another study) than short term HCQ therapy seems to.

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4 hours ago, Coffeeguyzz said:

ATTENTION!  ATTENTION ONE AND ALL! (but most especially  surrept and Bradley)

As Oro has just pointed out, the 2 linked studies from surrept and Brad's post showed dosages to infected patients of HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE ONLY!!! This is MEANINGLESS - at best - as ALL the publicized successful applications SPECIFICALLY ... CLEARLY ... emphasize that the addition of Zinc - optimally as Zpack and sulfate -  are needed to effect a successful outcome.

You fucks come accross as either stupid, lazy, or fucking liars ... possibly a combination of all three.

You were doing just fine until the ‘You f**ks‘ and the ‘f**k**g liars’ comment. That is beyond the pale for this site. Furthermore, it tends to cause people to suspect that you can’t support your argument without cussing.

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Some more (possibly) potentially good news about remdesivir, the other drug besides HCQ that has shown promise (this stuff requires IV infusions, so only a hospital treatment). It was enough to send futures shooting up:

Quote

Gilead drug boosts investor hopes for coronavirus treatment

US stock futures jump on report that medicine helped hospitalised patients

 

Wall Street shares are on track for a higher opening on Friday after a report suggested a coronavirus drug developed by Gilead had shown positive results in a clinical trial, giving investors hope that a treatment could ease the pandemic and open up the global economy. Early impressions from a study at the University of Chicago Medicine were reported by Stat news, a healthcare industry publication, showing rapid recoveries in almost all of the more than a hundred severely ill patients. Shares in Gilead, which have risen 17 per cent already this year, jumped a further 14 per cent in after-hours trading. This helped spur a 3 per cent gain in futures contracts linked to the S&P 500 index on Friday and underpinned a rally in Asian shares despite a historic contraction in China’s economy.

 

In a presentation to her academic colleagues, a video of which was leaked to Stat, Kathleen Mullane, an infectious disease specialist who is leading the trials at the university hospital, said: “The best news is that most of our patients have already been discharged, which is great. We’ve only had two patients perish.” The trial for the most seriously ill patients does not include a control group, which is given a placebo. So Dr Mullane said it was hard to draw too many conclusions.

 

But she said that after starting the drug, many patients saw their fevers reduced quickly, some came off ventilators the next day, and most did not need the full course of 10 days. Stat reported that Dr Mullane confirmed that the leaked footage was real. The University of Chicago said it could not comment on an ongoing trial. Gilead did not respond to a request for comment. Investors have been anxious for news of potential treatments for Covid-19 in the hope that reducing risks to those who catch it could lead to public officials more quickly opening up economies, which have been put into deep freeze to stop the pandemic’s spread.

 

Jim Tierney, the chief investment officer of AllianceBernstein’s concentrated US growth strategy, said stocks were moving on the report, given financial markets had been closely tied to the virus’s spread and signs of its containment. “Right now the best solution is time and isolation, but if you actually have a vaccine and a treatment it’s a big thing. It is enough to move the market,” he said. “The world is looking for a solution and doesn’t want to be in the state we’re in.”

 

In a statement after its shares leapt, Gilead urged caution. “We understand the urgent need for a Covid-19 treatment and the resulting interest in data on our investigational antiviral drug remdesivir. The totality of the data need to be analysed in order to draw any conclusions from the trial,” it said. “Anecdotal reports, while encouraging, do not provide the statistical power necessary to determine the safety and efficacy profile of remdesivir as a treatment for Covid-19. We expect the data from our phase 3 study in patients with severe Covid-19 infection to be available at the end of this month, and additional data from other studies to become available in May.”

 

The University of Chicago Medicine added that the partial data was by definition incomplete. “In this case, information from an internal forum for research colleagues concerning work in progress was released without authorisation,” it said. “Drawing any conclusions at this point is premature and scientifically unsound.”

 

Experts had high hopes for remdesivir because it had shown it was effective in stopping the Ebola virus replicating. Ebola shares a similar mechanism of replication with Sars-CoV-2, the virus that causes the Covid-19 disease. Last week a small study published in the New England Journal of Medicine showed 68 per cent of patients, who had been given the drug on a “compassionate use” basis, improved after taking it.

 

However, the drug has not been approved to treat any disease and scientists are waiting for the results of large trials with control arms for proof that it works and that the benefits outweigh any risks of side-effects. Umer Raffat, a biotech analyst at Evercore, said that he was “cautiously optimistic” about remdesivir but warned it was not a “silver bullet”. He said it was important to note that none of the patients on the Chicago trial had been on invasive ventilation, which tends to be an indication of a more serious condition and worse outcomes.

 

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12 hours ago, LiamP said:

I'd be interested to see NY data. Got a link where you can see state by state figures? Worldometer only seems to have graphs for the whole country with only the latest numbers broken down by state. Cheers

 

Nope it shows it, just click on the USA and it breaks it down by state

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[Rob Plant + 2,605]

7 hours ago, SUZNV said:

JAB DEFENCE 

CORONAVIRUS death rates are almost six times lower in countries that give out the BCG vaccine, experts have discovered.

The century-old jab was developed to protect against the bacterial infection tuberculosis - with children aged ten to 14 getting a mandatory injection.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11352531/coronavirus-death-rate-lower-countries-bcg-vaccine/

You should have a circle on your left or right shoulder as proof that you had this vaccine.

Well if the Sun says so I guess it has to be factual 🤔