A government-funded analysis found hydroxychloroquine ineffective for COVID-19, increases risk of death

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This binge conspiracy theorizing is getting silly.

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On 5/8/2020 at 8:27 AM, Jim Profit said:

Aren't you curious what is 0R0's source ? You should be.
I am for a rational, fact-based dicussion.
Where you make verifiable claims and you provide source.
Otherwise on what criteria should we accept or reject those claims..
Gut feeling ? Compatibility with our pre-established beliefs ?

We can't just make arbitrary and expect others to accept them at face value.


INTERPRETATION of the obvious. The herbal medicine company didn't have a use for it, but the scientists could get credit for a published article that way. So it gets published. Far from the first time this happened. 

See stated facts. Organize in your head. Obtain reasoned result. If it works for math  it will work here. 

Authoritative quote from a medical establishment source is just as likely to be a political statement or commercial advertisement and any relationship to the truth is accidental, often unrelated to the data. Just as the OP article here. The data indicated that there was no reason to reach conclusions from it at all as there were no actual controls, no dosage information, and no comparison by patient condition. All patients had multiple treatments. The protocol was not the Raoult protocol used in most patients but less so in the US .  

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3 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

They were making a point. Obviously too deep for you

You are right. I obviously missed the .. joke ? Or something like that ? 
Anyway I look like an idiot.

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On 4/24/2020 at 5:07 PM, Gerry Maddoux said:

When Mr. Trump was assured by China that this wasn't a person to person contagious virus, he hesitated but a while before going with his gut and banning travel from China. I submit that that saved thousands of lives, even though all the opposition piled on.

Yep.  A reminder from 2 months ago, March 11th.

Democrat Response to Coronavirus: End Trump’s Travel Bans on China, Iran

House and Senate Democrats are responding to the coronavirus outbreak in the United States by supporting measures to effectively strip President Trump of his authority to impose travel bans to protect American citizens.

While Trump has implemented travel bans on China and Iran — two of the most coronavirus-affected nations in the world — House Democrats are looking to roll back the president’s authority to enact travel bans from regions of the world.

The “No Ban Act,” introduced by Rep. Judy Chu (D-CA) and co-sponsored by 219 House Democrats, would have prevented Trump from immediately implementing a travel ban on China once the outbreak of the coronavirus spread past its origins of Wuhan.

Instead, the No Ban Act would have allowed travelers from Wuhan to continue to arrive in the U.S. while the president received guidance from Congress.

“This bill imposes limitations on the President’s authority to suspend or restrict aliens from entering the United States and terminates certain presidential actions implementing such restrictions,” a summary of the legislation reads.

The legislation would mandate Trump “only issue a restriction when required to address a compelling government interest,” though that interest is not defined. Before imposing a travel ban, Trump would have to “consult with Congress,” the legislation dictates.

Likewise, Democrat Senators Christopher Murphy (D-CT), Christopher Coons (D-DE), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), and Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) have introduced legislation to stop Trump’s recent expansion of a travel ban on some legal immigration from Burma, Eritrea, Kyrgyzstan, Nigeria, Tanzania, and Sudan, along with Iran, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, Syria, Venezuela, and Yemen.

The legislation states:

No funds, resources, or fees made available to the Secretary of Homeland Security, or to any other official of a Federal agency, by any Act of Congress for any fiscal year may be used to implement or enforce Presidential Proclamation 9983 … which restricts the entry into the United States of nationals of certain countries.

The effort to end America’s ability to implement travel bans comes as the number of coronavirus cases hits 1,107 nationwide, including 32 deaths.

Democrats’ fight to keep U.S. borders open to the world during the spread of the coronavirus was echoed by 2020 Democrat presidential primary candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) this week when he explicitly said he would not close America’s borders to protect Americans from the coronavirus.


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Don't forget these ^^ details people.  Whether ignorant, incompetent, or by plan, their reasons were not pure.  Their reasons did not hold water.  That simply means until they can prove to us otherwise, they have to be questioned on everything and the answers have to be validated, or shown to be wrong.  Earn our trust.  You no longer simply deserve our trust.  Those days are well and truly behind us.

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