Trumpe will win next election, hands down.

[frankfurter + 562]

Trump is Israel's best friend.  Members of Congress have dual passports.  Banking heads have dual passports.  2008 bail out benefited bankers too big to fail. 2020 Covid $6 trillion, maybe more, bail out to benefit bankers and 'leading industries'.  Laws to prohibit criticism.  Never-ending fiscal and military support, to a country that has a budget surplus.  Only a matter of time for...

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/05/12/israel-to-annex-the-united-states-ambassador-predicts-a-deepening-connection/

 

[Jee + 27]

You nailed it, Trump is the best gift from Almighty.

[butasha + 123]

More likely scenario is that the looney left will once again lose the election. The never Trumpers fail to take into account just how many people didn’t vote for Trump. They voted against the insanity of the Democratic Party. Trump just happened to be the alternative option.

[0R0 + 6,251]

11 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Trump is Israel's best friend.  Members of Congress have dual passports.  Banking heads have dual passports.  2008 bail out benefited bankers too big to fail. 2020 Covid $6 trillion, maybe more, bail out to benefit bankers and 'leading industries'.  Laws to prohibit criticism.  Never-ending fiscal and military support, to a country that has a budget surplus.  Only a matter of time for...

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/05/12/israel-to-annex-the-united-states-ambassador-predicts-a-deepening-connection/

 

As ever, a racist CCP perspective. Han Chinese as the top race of the world, all must bow to them and acquiesce.

Disgusting antisemitic drivel.

Go get yourself a CCP official and dump it out the window. You owe it to your people and the world.

[BLA + 1,666]

11 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Trump 

 

 

Biden is weak on everything, including China

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv7yVCwv6NU

 

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

15 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

As ever, a racist CCP perspective. Han Chinese as the top race of the world, all must bow to them and acquiesce.

Disgusting antisemitic drivel.

Go get yourself a CCP official and dump it out the window. You owe it to your people and the world.

Getting past the racist hyperbole and stentorian tone, unfortunately the underlying factual presentation is accurate.  the heftiest lobby in the USA today is "AIPAC," the American Israeli Political Action Committee.  It is run by Jews out of Brooklyn, New York, who are immigrants and sons of immigrants of Jews from mostly eastern Europe and Russia.  AIPAC is considered the "third rail" of US politics, as no politician wants to be tagged as an "Anit-Semite," notwithstanding that the Semites includes the Arab peoples of what is today called Judea and Samaria.  In US politics, anti-semite means a person who is a "racist" anti-Jewish activist who loathes Jews, and thus by definition must be shunned and dealt with harshly.  It is this mentality that is so actively promoted by AIPAC.  Everybody in Congress is terrified of being in the AIPAC crosshairs. 

Quote from the article:  "It is the site of the 1994 Ibrahimi Mosque massacre of Palestinian worshippers carried out by Brooklyn-born Jewish fanatic Baruch Goldstein. Twenty-nine Palestinians were killed. Yes, “biblical DNA” seems to fit just right if one considers the fate of the Canaanites."    Unfortunately, the US citizen Goldstein is not the only criminal murdering perpetrator inside Israel today.  thoe worst Jews in Israel are Americans.  Under Jewish Law any Jew form anywhere is treated as an Israeli Citizen under the "Right of Return," a concept that says any Jew can come back to the Middle east and claim some land for himself plus citizenship, never mind that his ancestors have been gone for two thousand years.   The influx of Jews into the Middle East is the number one cause of Middle east conflict.  Astute readers will recall the comment of Madeiline Albright, who when asked about this, said the Jews needed to "go back to Poland."  She got fired for that comment.  

The Jews cannot go back to Poland.  Europe did not welcome the influx of Jews over the centuries; they were uninvited guests who simply showed up and parked themselves in Europe.  the response of the Christian locals was to build those "Ghettos," walled inner cities inside cities, where ther gates were these massive wood-beamed structures that were closed at dusk and locked by huge timbers locked across the gates, then guarded by soldieers with pikes, those long poles with a spear tip on the end, to keep the Jews in and the Gentiles out.  total separation was the European response to the Jewish influxes.  And, every so many hundred years, a "pogrom" would take place and the Jews would be pushed out back to Russia at spearpoint, to reduce the numbers.  When WWII started, there were millions of Jews parked inside Poland, Hungary, Germany, and the Czech Republic; they were removed by force and put into camps, then later killed off.  The Europeans actively participated in the murder, and there is and was this long-standing loathing and disgust with the Jews and their personal practices.  Don't kid yourself that Jews were ever welcomed anywhere; they were not.

When WWII loomed, President Roosevelt  ("FDR") was faced with the issue of fleeing Jews headed for the USA for refuge from the nazis.  FDR refused to allow in-migration, stating that "The USA is not going to import Europe's problems."  The eminal moment was when the refugee ship "St. Louis" arrived in New York and was turned away.  That ship and its cargo of Jews had left Hamburg, gone to Havana Cuba, been rejected, gone to either Venezuela or Colombia or both, been rejected, gone to Mexico, rejected, New York, rejected, then to Halifax Canada, rejected, then back to Hamburg, where all were promptly arrested, shipped of to camps, then killed off.  It demonstrates that loathing of Jews is a world-wide phenomenon.  You have to aks yourself: what is it in Jewish behavior that brings out this response? 

Well, you see that behavior every single day in the Middle East.  the Jews have this attitude that they are the Chosen People of Cod, and thus that justifies avery and any atrocity and abuse of their neighbors.  And the reaction is unconstrained violence.   AIPAC is a plague on the USA.  AIPAC does more damage than just about anything to Americans  (and the American taxpayer). 

[0R0 + 6,251]

4 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

Getting past the racist hyperbole and stentorian tone, unfortunately the underlying factual presentation is accurate.  the heftiest lobby in the USA today is "AIPAC," the American Israeli Political Action Committee.  It is run by Jews out of Brooklyn, New York, who are immigrants and sons of immigrants of Jews from mostly eastern Europe and Russia.  AIPAC is considered the "third rail" of US politics, as no politician wants to be tagged as an "Anit-Semite," notwithstanding that the Semites includes the Arab peoples of what is today called Judea and Samaria.  In US politics, anti-semite means a person who is a "racist" anti-Jewish activist who loathes Jews, and thus by definition must be shunned and dealt with harshly.  It is this mentality that is so actively promoted by AIPAC.  Everybody in Congress is terrified of being in the AIPAC crosshairs. 

Quote from the article:  "It is the site of the 1994 Ibrahimi Mosque massacre of Palestinian worshippers carried out by Brooklyn-born Jewish fanatic Baruch Goldstein. Twenty-nine Palestinians were killed. Yes, “biblical DNA” seems to fit just right if one considers the fate of the Canaanites."    Unfortunately, the US citizen Goldstein is not the only criminal murdering perpetrator inside Israel today.  thoe worst Jews in Israel are Americans.  Under Jewish Law any Jew form anywhere is treated as an Israeli Citizen under the "Right of Return," a concept that says any Jew can come back to the Middle east and claim some land for himself plus citizenship, never mind that his ancestors have been gone for two thousand years.   The influx of Jews into the Middle East is the number one cause of Middle east conflict.  Astute readers will recall the comment of Madeiline Albright, who when asked about this, said the Jews needed to "go back to Poland."  She got fired for that comment.  

The Jews cannot go back to Poland.  Europe did not welcome the influx of Jews over the centuries; they were uninvited guests who simply showed up and parked themselves in Europe.  the response of the Christian locals was to build those "Ghettos," walled inner cities inside cities, where ther gates were these massive wood-beamed structures that were closed at dusk and locked by huge timbers locked across the gates, then guarded by soldieers with pikes, those long poles with a spear tip on the end, to keep the Jews in and the Gentiles out.  total separation was the European response to the Jewish influxes.  And, every so many hundred years, a "pogrom" would take place and the Jews would be pushed out back to Russia at spearpoint, to reduce the numbers.  When WWII started, there were millions of Jews parked inside Poland, Hungary, Germany, and the Czech Republic; they were removed by force and put into camps, then later killed off.  The Europeans actively participated in the murder, and there is and was this long-standing loathing and disgust with the Jews and their personal practices.  Don't kid yourself that Jews were ever welcomed anywhere; they were not.

When WWII loomed, President Roosevelt  ("FDR") was faced with the issue of fleeing Jews headed for the USA for refuge from the nazis.  FDR refused to allow in-migration, stating that "The USA is not going to import Europe's problems."  The eminal moment was when the refugee ship "St. Louis" arrived in New York and was turned away.  That ship and its cargo of Jews had left Hamburg, gone to Havana Cuba, been rejected, gone to either Venezuela or Colombia or both, been rejected, gone to Mexico, rejected, New York, rejected, then to Halifax Canada, rejected, then back to Hamburg, where all were promptly arrested, shipped of to camps, then killed off.  It demonstrates that loathing of Jews is a world-wide phenomenon.  You have to aks yourself: what is it in Jewish behavior that brings out this response? 

Well, you see that behavior every single day in the Middle East.  the Jews have this attitude that they are the Chosen People of Cod, and thus that justifies avery and any atrocity and abuse of their neighbors.  And the reaction is unconstrained violence.   AIPAC is a plague on the USA.  AIPAC does more damage than just about anything to Americans  (and the American taxpayer). 

You are obviously disinformed about Jewish history.

You went on a data collection expedition to support a point of view rather than look from all sides to see the actual facts. You blame Jews for the hatred by the Roman empire that was embedded into the Catholic faith. And was retained into the Byzantine and Orthodox Churches and the Lutheran reform did not remove it.

The bottom line is that Jews had been in Europe from long before the Visigoths, Longobardi Ostrogoths and others invaded the failing Roman empire and took it over, intermingling, taking on Christiantity and becoming the majority of former Roman lands. Over repeated paroxysms of hate by the Catholic church trying to take its bite out of the Mediterranean trade that Jews had taken over, Jews were eventually ejected throughout the middle ages into Northern and Eastern Europe. They were EXPLICITLY invited into Poland to settle and provide merchant links for the benefit of Poland's economy upon its independence in 1025. Latin speaking scholars of the day called it Heaven for Jews=  paradisus iudaeorum   .

The hatred is of the latecomer invaders who took on the local traditions and displayed the newcomer's zeal against the Jews who did not integrate and did not pay the Church a tithe.

Your reading is upside down.

AIPAC is not about controlling America, it is about existing. It is a survival tactic against the hate of Christianity Islam and modern communism as displayed by the Nazis and the new Chinese Communist Party master race of Han Chinese. Survival is not a malignant action. Taking back ancestral land is not an invasion of malice, it was not the Crusades. The West Bank populations are mostly Jewish in origin. They just haven't accepted their ancestral religion after having been butchered by Byzantines to become Christian and by Mohamed's successors to become Moslem. They still identify with those who enslaved their ancestors.

You are deeply indoctrinated with cherry picked facts to support an antisemitic racist view. You need a major effort to re-educate yourself.

 

[0R0 + 6,251]

@Jan van Eck I should add this quick summary. Jews were European as they were brought in by Alexander the Great and later brought in by Rome to build its structures and conduct commerce. They were not just invited in, They were brought in by force when they didn't go of their own accord. The latecomer invaders from the Norse countries and the caucasian plain are the conquerors of Europe, not Europeans per se. They reject Jews as the last remains of the Europe that they conquered and destroyed. You are expressing the same zeal in an intellectual  guise.

[Jee + 27]

14 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

You are obviously disinformed about Jewish history.

You went on a data collection expedition to support a point of view rather than look from all sides to see the actual facts. You blame Jews for the hatred by the Roman empire that was embedded into the Catholic faith. And was retained into the Byzantine and Orthodox Churches and the Lutheran reform did not remove it.

The bottom line is that Jews had been in Europe from long before the Visigoths, Longobardi Ostrogoths and others invaded the failing Roman empire and took it over, intermingling, taking on Christiantity and becoming the majority of former Roman lands. Over repeated paroxysms of hate by the Catholic church trying to take its bite out of the Mediterranean trade that Jews had taken over, Jews were eventually ejected throughout the middle ages into Northern and Eastern Europe. They were EXPLICITLY invited into Poland to settle and provide merchant links for the benefit of Poland's economy upon its independence in 1025. Latin speaking scholars of the day called it Heaven for Jews=  paradisus iudaeorum   .

The hatred is of the latecomer invaders who took on the local traditions and displayed the newcomer's zeal against the Jews who did not integrate and did not pay the Church a tithe.

Your reading is upside down.

AIPAC is not about controlling America, it is about existing. It is a survival tactic against the hate of Christianity Islam and modern communism as displayed by the Nazis and the new Chinese Communist Party master race of Han Chinese. Survival is not a malignant action. Taking back ancestral land is not an invasion of malice, it was not the Crusades. The West Bank populations are mostly Jewish in origin. They just haven't accepted their ancestral religion after having been butchered by Byzantines to become Christian and by Mohamed's successors to become Moslem. They still identify with those who enslaved their ancestors.

You are deeply indoctrinated with cherry picked facts to support an antisemitic racist view. You need a major effort to re-educate yourself.

 

I see a poster-child of Jewish domination, nothing wrong with it. The jews risked their investments and decades of effort so they should be rewarded accordingly, and it paints a brave picture for the newcomers.

Edited May 16, 2020 by Jee

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

17 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

You are deeply indoctrinated with cherry picked facts to support an antisemitic racist view. You need a major effort to re-educate yourself.

ORO, I refuse to get into it with you.You are cordially invited to live with your own version of history, Jews do that all day long.  It is one of the problem areas in Jew-Arab relations.  I flatly refuse to get sucked into some diatribe about World Jewry and the Right of Return, that is a futlile exercise.  No zealot Zionist is ever going to ageee with either me or anyone or anything that deflects from their worldview.  So the exercise, quite candidly, is utterly pointless. 

Edited May 16, 2020 by Jan van Eck
scrivener error

[0R0 + 6,251]

9 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

ORO, I refuse to get into it with you.You are cordially invited to live with your own version of history, Jews do that all day long.  It is one of the problem areas in Jew-Arab relations.  I flatly refuse to get sucked into some diatribe about World Jewry and the Right of Return, that is a futlile exercise.  No zealot Zionist is ever going to ageee with either me or anyone or anything that deflects from their worldview.  So the exercise, quite candidly, is utterly pointless. 

I am not a Zionist in my historical perspective. I am entirely supportive to Israel's existence today as the Zionist discussion was over in WWI. It is a fact of life on the ground. It is no longer a topic of conversation of consequence. The right of return was exercised by millions before 1960. It was already too late to discuss after the Balfour declaration. Thus the story is history. The time for this discussion to be relevant to any (but antisemites) was with Theodor Herzl or the zionist movement of the 1920s. Today it is just a historical artifact that the land of the Jews is where it is.

If you harbor hatred of Jews, go look for its causes in YOUR background.

[0R0 + 6,251]

28 minutes ago, Jee said:

I see a poster-child of Jewish domination, nothing wrong with it. The jews risked their investments and decades of effort so they should be rewarded accordingly, and it paints a brave picture for the newcomers.

This is not about any kind of domination. It is merely about survival and thriving. You are reflecting the modern socialist intelligentsia  adoption of Jews and Israel as the new target to substituted for entrepreneurs free market academics and small business disturbing their business of shakedowns and takeovers of the economy and Marxist camps in Academia (Friedman, Hayek and Von Mises were Jews, who fought Marxism and its various malignancies in economics.)

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

26 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

If you harbor hatred of Jews, go look for its causes in YOUR background

I have a great idea.  Why don't you stop making aspersive comments about other people.  

 

[Jee + 27]

1 hour ago, 0R0 said:

This is not about any kind of domination. It is merely about survival and thriving. You are reflecting the modern socialist intelligentsia  adoption of Jews and Israel as the new target to substituted for entrepreneurs free market academics and small business disturbing their business of shakedowns and takeovers of the economy and Marxist camps in Academia (Friedman, Hayek and Von Mises were Jews, who fought Marxism and its various malignancies in economics.)

Blah Blah, exactly what they'd hope you to repeat, you get a pass.

When German, Italy and Ireland sent their people to this country, they did not send their best. Most of the early comers lacked proper education, hadn't see much fortune back in their home countries, too busy with making daily livings they hardly had time to plan strategically for their future or the nation's.

Jews were exactly the opposite, their elites fled over amid WWII, brought with them knowledge of how to thrive in the jungle, science, financial instruments and liquidity, best of all they took the risk of investing in this country when it was in its teenage, nothing wrong with what they did, and it paints a brave picture for new comers. That's all I'm saying.

As an example, when I see a dog barking, I don't care what it's barking about, I just want to find out how its owners trained dogs from wolves in the first place, that resulted in this dog barking in certain patterns in modern time.

Edited May 16, 2020 by Jee

[0R0 + 6,251]

1 hour ago, Jan van Eck said:

I have a great idea.  Why don't you stop making aspersive comments about other people.  

 

That is what you are doing about Jews. It is racist.

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

2 hours ago, 0R0 said:

That is what you are doing about Jews. It is racist.

@Jan van Eck

@0R0

This amazes me each time I see it happen.  Two obviously well educated, knowledgeable, intelligent men, both of whom can easily grasp and recite perspective that many of us miss, and usually do so without offense.

Throw in just about any Jewish question, and they veer off into what appears to be two widely differing versions of history.  They are defensive and passionate, to say the least, in how they respond to each other until they just do a virtual bird-flip and stop talking to each other.

Are there that different of oral and/or written histories in circulation that could make two guys believe so passionately in their own version while claiming the other is a putz?

Not trying to take either side, just interested.  Where I come from knowledge of "the Jewish question" is pretty limited to just the basics, if any discussion happens at all.

[Jee + 27]

We should be free to talk about Jews, good or bad, just like how we talk about Asians or whites. If that's anti-semitic, then you got a deep TRAINING curve to undo.

[BradleyPNW + 282]

7 hours ago, butasha said:

More likely scenario is that the looney left will once again lose the election. The never Trumpers fail to take into account just how many people didn’t vote for Trump. They voted against the insanity of the Democratic Party. Trump just happened to be the alternative option.

Do you happen to know Never Trumpers are not left? It's not clear from your comment. Many Never Trumpers voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Democrats in the 2018 Midterms. Donald definitely knows who the Never Trumpers are, he straight up lost his marbles over this advertisement created by a Never Trumper PAC. 
 

 

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

2 minutes ago, Jee said:

We should be free to talk about Jews, good or bad, just like how we talk about Asians or whites. If that's anti-semitic, then you got a deep TRAINING curve to undo.

???

[Marcin2 + 724]

 OK

Edited May 19, 2020 by Marcin2
typo

[0R0 + 6,251]

16 minutes ago, Jee said:

We should be free to talk about Jews, good or bad, just like how we talk about Asians or whites. If that's anti-semitic, then you got a deep TRAINING curve to undo.

There is a discussion of the actual Jewish history. And then there is fabricated history where Jews are blamed for antisemitism. The fabricated version is always what you meet on forums. Europeans in particular are fond of thinking that they know something of the question of Israel and the Jews because they want to avoid remembering that they once had a great many of them but now don't, and as a matter of habit avoid speaking favorably of Israel because of fear of offending their large Moslem population including a significant portion of the Palestinian diaspora. Thus only the antisemitic version of Jewish history gets through to their consciousness. .

UK and European academia, and much of the US academia as well, think of Israelis as aggressive conquerors and oppressors. The picture they provide is of a people born with an Uzi submachine gun in their hands growing up into beaters of Palestinians, ready  in a matter of days to take Damascus or Cairo. The antisemitism embedded into the dregs of the Soviet propaganda takeover of the Western Social(ist) sciences since the 1930s have continued to show themselves in a reflexive negative filter about all things Israel and Jewish. Only derogatory information is allowed through. . 

[Marcin2 + 724]

ok

Edited May 19, 2020 by Marcin2
typo

[0R0 + 6,251]

1 hour ago, Dan Warnick said:

@Jan van Eck

@0R0

This amazes me each time I see it happen.  Two obviously well educated, knowledgeable, intelligent men, both of whom can easily grasp and recite perspective that many of us miss, and usually do so without offense.

Throw in just about any Jewish question, and they veer off into what appears to be two widely differing versions of history.  They are defensive and passionate, to say the least, in how they respond to each other until they just do a virtual bird-flip and stop talking to each other.

Are there that different of oral and/or written histories in circulation that could make two guys believe so passionately in their own version while claiming the other is a putz?

Not trying to take either side, just interested.  Where I come from knowledge of "the Jewish question" is pretty limited to just the basics, if any discussion happens at all.

Some people insist that they "know" things because they accepted their indoctrination as if it were an education. I stopped accepting indoctrination substituting for education long before finishing high school. I went and took a look at what real evidence and data were available to me and learned that there are many perspectives and rarely are any of them true for more than a few steps through history.

Had I thought Jan was a putz I would have said so. I think he is simply a product of the mainstream fictional narratives we all know to distrust.

[Jee + 27]

1 hour ago, 0R0 said:

There is a discussion of the actual Jewish history. And then there is fabricated history where Jews are blamed for antisemitism. The fabricated version is always what you meet on forums. Europeans in particular are fond of thinking that they know something of the question of Israel and the Jews because they want to avoid remembering that they once had a great many of them but now don't, and as a matter of habit avoid speaking favorably of Israel because of fear of offending their large Moslem population including a significant portion of the Palestinian diaspora. Thus only the antisemitic version of Jewish history gets through to their consciousness. .

UK and European academia, and much of the US academia as well, think of Israelis as aggressive conquerors and oppressors. The picture they provide is of a people born with an Uzi submachine gun in their hands growing up into beaters of Palestinians, ready  in a matter of days to take Damascus or Cairo. The antisemitism embedded into the dregs of the Soviet propaganda takeover of the Western Social(ist) sciences since the 1930s have continued to show themselves in a reflexive negative filter about all things Israel and Jewish. Only derogatory information is allowed through. . 

It's called no pain no gain, they rose to dominance through great sacrifice, and became god father of modern day US propaganda (reverse engineering of the Nazi propaganda machine).

The early settlers from Europe were no match for a civilization like Britain, if not for Jews this country won't be much better than Aussie or Canada.

Edited May 16, 2020 by Jee

[0R0 + 6,251]

4 minutes ago, Jee said:

It's called no pain no gain, they rose to dominance through great sacrifice, and became god father of modern day US propaganda (reverse engineering of the Nazi propaganda machine).

The early settlers from Europe were no match for a civilization like Britain, if not for Jews this country won't be much better than Aussie or Canada.

The Us propaganda machine was started out by Dulles' purely white no jews here staff and his import of what remained of the Goebbels propaganda office. They systematically took over the news radio and movie and TV and broke up the Jewish studio system under an anti trust attack after having taken apart RCA, both were apparently not cooperative enough.. The entertainment biz remains fairly Jewish, but it is coordinated from the Nazi educated CIA psych-ops. 

The US industrial development was funded to a large extent out of Europe by what were often Jewish bankers, but I doubt that the US needed their particular expertise once the civil war was over. How to fund industry was already a pretty well established domestic skill. They helped but were not necessary. Their experience of funding German English and French industrial development did come in handy, but the traditional domestic firms that were their domestic agents antebellum were taking up all the space by the time they domiciled in the US. They were all peripheral. They funneled the 1920s capital flight out of Europe into the US to get their share of the business, which won them share, but they were not quite the core.