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Payback Time: Republican Senators turn the tables on Democrats. The difference is the Republican investigations are legit.

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20 hours ago, BLA said:

 

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PREDICTION: COMEY FIRST TO BE INDICTED. 

 

 

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On 5/20/2020 at 11:49 AM, BLA said:

UPDATE. FIRST SUBPOENA ISSUED

Senator Johnson opening Investigation into Hunter Biden Barisma. Should lead to other Joe Biden Hunter, Brother and daughter/son-in-law sweetheart federal handout deals. This part of the investigation subpoenas the Barisma D.C. PR form and  Barisma in Washington DC a whole different angle than Hunter's "bad judgement". 

Senator Graham opening Investigation into Flynn setup and Russian Hoax.  Grahm hearings in start in couple of weeks.

They should look into the Democratic 2009 Financial crisis bailouts , TALF, TARF, ETC

THE U.S. HAS BEEN DISTRACTED FOR 3 1/2 YEARS BY DEMOCRATIC RUSSIAN HOAX AND BASELESS UKRAINE IMPEACHMENT.  HARD TO BELIEVE THIS COULD ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE IN THIS COUNTRY.

. . . . AND CHINA BENEFITS

 

Democrats need to face reality, Hillary lost to a Reality TV personality. GET OVER IT.  

Just like people here need to get over Obama (who BTW would have easily beat trump if he could have run).

Focus on current problems, we have plenty.  Face reality and not create media distractions.

 

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16 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

“ But GOP senators want to investigate Hunter Biden? Sure thing, that's totally legit. “

So regardless of your politics, are you saying that Hunter et al should NOT be investigated simply because Trump MAY have made errors of judgement?

That is like saying it is okay to beat your wife simply because your neighbor beat his.

Trump has survived many ‘investigations’, let’s play fair and see how Hunter and Joe fare at the same game.

Survived yes, innocent no.

Trump university fraud - guilty paid settlement

Trump charity theft - guilty paid settlement

Stormy Daniels - paid settlement

Was impeached - got get of jail free card

 

Ever consider that the person always under investigation might be a crooked?  Still won't show his taxes, because "under audit" (he could still disclose).  He won't disclose because it will show he is either a tax fraud or he has way less money than he brags about.

 

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3 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Just like people here need to get over Obama (who BTW would have easily beat trump if he could have run).

Focus on current problems, we have plenty.  Face reality and not create media distractions.

 

Agree.  Obama would beat Trump.

But let's be honest.  Who is creating distractions. 

Do you honestly believe what the Obama FBI, State Dept, CIA  conjured up for the last 4 years, a farce they put the U.S. thru is acceptable ?  It goes against everything the U.S. stands for.

Anyone that condones these tactics is sick. They are no better than the CCP. 

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8 minutes ago, BLA said:

Agree.  Obama would beat Trump.

But let's be honest.  Who is creating distractions.  Do you honestly believe what the Obama FBI, State Dept, CIA  conjured up for the last 4 year farce and put the U.S. through is acceptable ?  Anyone that condones these tactics is sick. It's no better than the CCP. 

No, but now trump is just asking for it by poking a sleeping dog with a stick.

Trump must like the attention.

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1 hour ago, Enthalpic said:

No, but now trump is just asking for it by poking a sleeping dog with a stick.

Trump must like the attention.

Every politician loves the attention.  They are all megalomaniacs.  It's prerequisite for the job. Obama doesn't like attention ?  Who more than he ?

Biden has been milking his position by selling access forever.  Making millions for his sons, daughter, son-in-law and brothers. That's illegal.  

The Biden Extended Family is Gearing up for a Windfall of Riches.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/02/joe-biden-investigation-hunter-brother-hedge-fund-money-2020-campaign-227407 

Megalomaniac Definition: Adam Schiff, James Comey,  John Brennan, James Clapper

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3 minutes ago, BLA said:

Every politician loves the attention.  They are all egomaniacs.  Obama doesn't like attention ? 

Yeah, you probably don't become POTUS if you don't like attention.

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23 hours ago, BradleyPNW said:

Trump's kids stole from cancer kids. But you had something to say about Hunter Biden, please continue. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/01/08/donations-to-eric-trumps-foundation-plunged-amid-scandal/#6a4d07964f4d

Part Two of The Obam Administration Scandals

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11axnqv_b3L2k9CD6HWNMwrdIECJZSxowxjO4RIc-rbE/edit

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3 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Just like people here need to get over Obama (who BTW would have easily beat trump if he could have run).

Focus on current problems, we have plenty.  Face reality and not create media distractions.

 

Part Two of The Obam Administration Scandals

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11axnqv_b3L2k9CD6HWNMwrdIECJZSxowxjO4RIc-rbE/edit

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3 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

Survived yes, innocent no.

Trump university fraud - guilty paid settlement

Trump charity theft - guilty paid settlement

Stormy Daniels - paid settlement

Was impeached - got get of jail free card

 

Ever consider that the person always under investigation might be a crooked?  Still won't show his taxes, because "under audit" (he could still disclose).  He won't disclose because it will show he is either a tax fraud or he has way less money than he brags about.

 

So what you are really saying is that Trump has been investigated and impeached, but the result is not what YOU wanted, and therefore are invalid.

I guess the rule of law, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights need to be adjusted to cater to your viewpoint....

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8 minutes ago, Douglas Buckland said:

 

I guess the rule of law, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights need to be adjusted to cater to your viewpoint....

I knew it wouldn't pass the senate so I didn't have my hopes up.

 

Let see trump follows the rule of law, constitution, etc. when election time comes up.

He is already on record for saying silly things like he wouldn't accept defeat, dislikes term-limits ( "He's now president for life. [] I think it's great. Maybe we'll have to give that a shot some day."), and now there is Kushner/trump chatter about delaying the election.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/will-trump-accept-2016-election-results-230932

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/03/politics/trump-maralago-remarks/index.html

 

Dictator checklist:

- no regard for democratic process. Check.

- no regard for law. Check.

- attempt to "lock up" political opponents. Double check.

- attempt to suspend elections entirely when defeat is in sight. Check?  Waiting for your ratings to rise to hold the election is not allowed...

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10 hours ago, BradleyPNW said:

Trey Gowdy banged the Benghazi investigation for years. That too was a huge bust. Are there any modern Republican led investigations that have led anywhere? The last one that went anywhere that I can remember was over twenty years ago and resulted in conclusive evidence of a blow job. So, not terribly ground shaking. 

And why was it a ‘huge bust’? Who was President and Sec. State at the time?

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11 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

I knew it wouldn't pass the senate so I didn't have my hopes up.

 

Let see trump follows the rule of law, constitution, etc. when election time comes up.

He is already on record for saying silly things like he wouldn't accept defeat, dislikes term-limits ( "He's now president for life. [] I think it's great. Maybe we'll have to give that a shot some day."), and now there is Kushner/trump chatter about delaying the election.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/will-trump-accept-2016-election-results-230932

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/03/politics/trump-maralago-remarks/index.html

 

Dictator checklist:

- no regard for democratic process. Check.

- no regard for law. Check.

- attempt to "lock up" political opponents. Double check.

- attempt to suspend elections entirely when defeat is in sight. Check?  Waiting for your ratings to rise to hold the election is not allowed...

Odd you should post that...my thoughts exactly when it comes to the Democratic party leaders...care to elaborate on your checks??? Instances if you be so kind...of Trump Dictatorship...this should be rare.

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8 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

Still won't show his taxes, because "under audit" (he could still disclose).  He won't disclose because it will show he is either a tax fraud or he has way less money than he brags about.

(First of all, sorry to Douglas.  The above was not your comment; it was a comment you were responding to, and to which I am now responding to below.)

You need to understand the difference between the law and political grandstanding.  The law is clear:  

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Taxpayer Bill of Rights: #8, The Right to Confidentiality

-the IRS may not disclose your tax information to third parties unless you give us permission.

-If tax preparers knowingly or recklessly disclose or use your tax information for any reason other than for tax return preparation, they may face criminal fines and prison.

-Taxpayers have the right to expect that any information they provide to the IRS will not be disclosed unless authorized by the taxpayer or by law.  (Note by me: Congress makes the laws. If Congress wants Trump's tax returns for legal purposes, they can enact a law compelling/ordering the IRS to provide the President's tax returns to Congress.  Congress has no legal basis to do this and therefore they only continue to grandstand.)

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Another part of the law is what and how the IRS reviews, or "audits" tax returns.  This is the level to which the IRS is legally allowed to audit tax returns:

IRS Criminal Investigation (CI) serves the American public by investigating potential criminal violations of the Internal Revenue Code and related financial crimes in a manner that fosters confidence in the tax system and compliance with the law.

If the IRS finds reason(s) to believe the President has committed a crime, or even just broken tax law, they can subject him to full audits, or even a criminal investigation.  If the IRS conducts a criminal investigation, it must then hand over their results to the Justice Department for prosecution.  Here is their own list of what a criminal investigation entails and includes:

How Criminal Investigations Are Initiated

The Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation Division conducts criminal investigations regarding alleged violations of the Internal Revenue Code, the Bank Secrecy Act and various money laundering statutes. The findings of these investigations are referred to the Department of Justice for recommended prosecution.

Sources of Criminal Investigations for IRS Special Agents

Criminal Investigations can be initiated from information obtained from within the IRS when a revenue agent (auditor) or revenue officer (collection) detects possible fraud.  Information is also routinely received from the public as well as from ongoing investigations underway by other law enforcement agencies or by United States Attorneys offices across the country. 

(More at the link)

What the IRS investigates:

What the IRS Investigates

Criminal Investigation (CI) classifies its investigations into the following program and emphasis areas.

Abusive Return Preparer Enforcement

Return preparer fraud generally involves the orchestrated preparation and filing of false income tax returns (in either paper or electronic form) by unscrupulous preparers who may claim, for example: inflated personal or business expenses, false deductions, unallowable credits or excessive exemptions.

Abusive Tax Schemes

Abusive tax scheme originally took the structure of abusive domestic and foreign trust arrangements. However, these schemes have evolved into sophisticated arrangements that take advantage of the financial secrecy laws of some foreign jurisdictions and the availability of credit/debit cards issued from offshore financial institutions.

Bankruptcy Fraud

One of Criminal Investigation's goals in bankruptcy fraud investigations is to increase voluntary compliance with federal tax laws through the prosecution of those committing significant crimes in the bankruptcy arena. Since the IRS is often a major creditor in many bankruptcy proceedings, it is important that we protect the interests of the IRS.

Corporate Fraud

Corporate fraud frequently involves violations of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC) through falsification of corporate and individual tax returns and CI has exclusive investigatory jurisdiction over criminal violations of the IRC.

Employment Tax Enforcement

Employment tax evasion schemes can take a variety of forms. Some of the more prevalent methods of evasion include pyramiding, employee leasing, paying employees in cash, filing false payroll tax returns or failing to file payroll tax returns. Evading employment taxes can have serious consequences for employers and the employees.

Financial Institution Fraud

Criminal Investigation focuses on tax and money laundering violations involving fraud against banks, savings and loan associations, credit unions, check cashers, money remitters, and other financial institutions. Currency Transaction Reports and Suspicious Activity Reports continue to be effective investigative tools in the financial world.

Gaming

Illegal gaming operations, including bookmaking, numbers, Internet and some charitable gaming operations, continue to be areas of compliance concern. Criminal Investigation continues to play an enforcement role in the illegal gaming industry and to support regulatory and legislative initiatives aimed at eliminating an environment conducive to illegal gambling.

General Fraud Investigations

Criminal Investigation special agents investigate violations of the tax laws and related financial crimes. Taxpayers who chose to willfully and intentionally not comply with their legal responsibility to file required tax returns and/or pay taxes pose a serious threat to tax administration and the American economy.

Healthcare Fraud

Multi-agency healthcare fraud investigations and prosecutions show that perpetrators of these schemes financially benefited from their fraudulent activities in false billings, mental health, nursing home fraud, chiropractic fraud, durable medical equipment fraud, staged accidents, pharmaceutical diversion, and patient referral (kickbacks) schemes. In these investigations, Criminal Investigation follows the money trail and considers both tax and money laundering perspectives.

Identity Theft Schemes

IRS Criminal Investigation (CI) detects and investigates tax fraud and other financial fraud, including fraud related to identity theft.

International Investigations

International tax compliance is a top priority of the IRS. Complex international tax avoidance schemes and cross-border transactions have heightened the IRS' concern about tax compliance. Individuals may attempt to use foreign accounts, trusts, and other entities to commit criminal violations of U.S. tax laws as well as narcotics, money laundering and Bank Secrecy Act (BSA) violations.

Money Laundering & Bank Secrecy Act (BSA)

Money laundering is a very complex crime involving intricate details, often involving numerous financial transactions and financial outlets throughout the world. Criminal Investigation has the financial investigators and expertise that is critical to "follow the money trail."

Narcotics-Related Investigations

Criminal Investigation's contribution to the war on narcotics is vital but sometimes difficult to recognize, because the work of IRS special agents usually doesn't make the headlines. The long hours of tracking down and documenting financial leads allows an investigation to go right to the door of the leader of the narcotics organization, which contributes to the disrupting and dismantling the country's major drug and money laundering organizations.

Non-filer Enforcement

There have always been individuals who, for a variety of reasons, argue taxes are voluntary or illegal. The courts have repeatedly rejected their arguments as frivolous and routinely impose financial penalties for raising such frivolous arguments. Take the time to learn the truth about frivolous tax arguments.

Public Corruption Crimes

Public corruption investigations encompass a wide variety of criminal offenses including bribery, extortion, embezzlement, illegal kickbacks, entitlement and subsidy fraud, bank fraud, tax fraud, and money laundering. Criminal Investigation concentrates its resources on the tax and money laundering aspects of these investigations in cooperation with other federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies. The expertise used in investigations has established our reputation as one of the leaders in the fight against corrupt public officials.

Questionable Refund Program (QRP)

QRP is a nationwide, multifunctional program designed to identify fraudulent returns, to stop the payment of fraudulent refunds and to refer identified fraudulent refund schemes to be investigated and prosecuted criminally.

To Summarize: Trump's political opponents want the "Tax Returns" so that they can dissect them and play with the data mined.  It would be used as ammunition to fuel further endless so-called "investigations" against Trump.  It would fuel their hatred of him.  Nothing more, nothing less.  In essence, it would give them ways to produce negative sounding headlines, such as the next item.

Most importantly, for Trump's opponents, they want to show that he is not worth as many $$ as he claims he is.  Literally so they can say "See!  He claims he is worth $X,XXX,XXX,XXX but his tax returns say he is only worth $X,XXX,XXX,XXX!"

Additionally, It is obvious that you miss what the term "Tax Returns" means.  And that's somewhat understandable, because that is what Trump's opponents want: for you and others to think his tax returns will reveal things he may have done that are illegal.  They can use tax deductions to insinuate that Trump has cheated.  "Tax Returns" are documents and forms filled out and expanded upon to meet IRS (Internal Revenue Service) requirements of reporting income and deductions.  Tax Returns are submitted to the IRS.  The IRS reviews them as shown in detail above.  If they are complex or raise flags, the IRS "audits" them, again as shown above.

The president, or any other citizen is not compelled to share his tax returns with anyone.  The Forbes article at the link explains why Trump's opponents want him to share his tax returns and agrees that he is neither legally compelled to do so, nor would it be in his best interests to do so:

Why Trump Should Not Hand Over His Tax Returns

But until the law requires it of candidates or the courts mandate disclosure, Trump should arguably stand pat.

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1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said:
  1 hour ago, Enthalpic said:

I knew it wouldn't pass the senate so I didn't have my hopes up.

 

Let see trump follows the rule of law, constitution, etc. when election time comes up.

He is already on record for saying silly things

Somebody call Monty Python.  The President has said "silly things"!!

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1 hour ago, Douglas Buckland said:
12 hours ago, BradleyPNW said:

Trey Gowdy banged the Benghazi investigation for years. That too was a huge bust. Are there any modern Republican led investigations that have led anywhere? The last one that went anywhere that I can remember was over twenty years ago and resulted in conclusive evidence of a blow job. So, not terribly ground shaking. 

And why was it a ‘huge bust’? Who was President and Sec. State at the time?

Congress ONLY investigates; Justice prosecutes.  An arguably corrupt leadership at Justice at that time may be why prosecutions were not carried out based on Congress' investigations.

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Appeals court orders Michael Flynn judge to respond to demand for dismissal of case against ex-Trump advisor

A federal appeals court on Thursday ordered the judge handling the criminal case of President Donald Trump’s former national security advisor, Michael Flynn, to respond to a request by Flynn’s lawyers to dismiss the case.

The order came two days after Flynn’s lawyers asked the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia to drop the case and assign any future court proceedings to another judge.

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1 hour ago, Dan Warnick said:

Appeals court orders Michael Flynn judge to respond to demand for dismissal of case against ex-Trump advisor

A federal appeals court on Thursday ordered the judge handling the criminal case of President Donald Trump’s former national security advisor, Michael Flynn, to respond to a request by Flynn’s lawyers to dismiss the case.

The order came two days after Flynn’s lawyers asked the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia to drop the case and assign any future court proceedings to another judge.

Judge Sullivan has till June 1, to respond. 

Have you ever seen a Judge act with such political bias ? 

Flynn's exoneration will allow him to sue for malicious prosecution.  

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2 minutes ago, BLA said:

Judge Sullivan has till June 1, to respond. 

Have you ever seen a Judge act with such political bias ? 

Flynn's exoneration will allow him to sue for malicious prosecution.  

And I hope he does! He has been treated shamelessly.

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17 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

And why was it a ‘huge bust’? Who was President and Sec. State at the time?

Because the final report concluded no wrongdoing. Did you not know that? 

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16 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

Congress ONLY investigates; Justice prosecutes.  An arguably corrupt leadership at Justice at that time may be why prosecutions were not carried out based on Congress' investigations.

Congress is supposed to conduct oversight of the executive branch. Good job investigating Benghazi. They drug it on a lot longer than needed because their final conclusion was no wrong doing. So, if congress decided there was no wrongdoing why would you conclude DOJ was corrupt for not prosecuting anyone? 

Did you ever work with Blackwater in your line of work? I did. When I watched 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi my very first thought was, "oh, military contractors. Those guys get paid $300K/yr to take these kinds of risks." Then, I looked up to see which company. Turned out it was an Irish company. They were American military contractors working for an Irish company. Then, I found out the Irish company totally flubbed security by hiring locals willy nilly. 

Ok, then I thought, "If I was in charge would I start flying US jets over Libya dropping bombs after things went haywire? No. No I would not. I would not piss off the local population just because the private security service screwed up and their contractors were in trouble." 

 

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On 5/21/2020 at 1:35 PM, Jason Martin said:

Ah Sen. Graham, the place where scandals go to die. He might as well be a fixer for the democrats, because every time he declares an investigation, it miraculously comes to nothing. Everything he touches turns to crap.

Almost looks like the allegations that brought these investigations had no merit. 🤷‍♂️

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