China to Impose Dictatorship on Hong Kong

[Marcin2 + 724]

And guys, you just became way too funny to not comment your posts.

I like this about WHO being paid/bribed by China.

The fact that first black guy and guy from poor, backward country became WHO Director General only proves there is some democratization of global institutions, developing countries get their voice, at least symbolically.

British candidate had no chance, African and Asian countries cast majority of votes at WHO.

The days Big Uncle Sam controlled everything are just gone, and I only hope that your phantasies about China

will never prove right and Uncle Xi will not control WHO and UN in the future.

Get used to it that first symptoms of multilateral world are emanating from global organizations.

Everybody understands that Trump had to act the childish way he acted with WHO, he has to conform with the level of his voters, it is the first rule of democracy: every redneck and university professor or millionaire gets the same 1 vote. But never the less world is disappointed, I have written it so many times at this forum that some acronym is needed, by this behaviour.

Short-term domestic campaing calculations should not impact global organizations.

I mean politicians of every country SAY stupid things before elections, but RARELY DO.

People just imagine, what would be happening in 2024 if the trend of American political porn is sustained ?

Would they leave UN or UNESCO for short-term reasons ?

Oops UNESCO they already left.

 

 

Edited May 27, 2020 by Marcin2
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[ralfy + 55]

16 hours ago, Tom Kirkman said:

CCP can f*ck right off.

YouTube has been actively censoring comments that the Chinese Communist Party finds "offensive".

Chinese *people* are not the problem.

CCP is a parasite.

Please don't apologize for the CCP, it's just wrong.

The CCP operates in a similar fashion to Wall Street and the oligarchy of the U.S., which controls the U.S. economy, the government, much of food production, media corporations, etc. That's why the two got along very well for decades.

The catch is that the U.S. is also dependent on the dollar being used as a global reserve currency, and that's being threatened because not only China but many other countries are becoming more independent of that. That's why the U.S. has been building hundreds of military bases worldwide, several needed to surround both Russia and China. It cannot afford to have a global economy where other countries become stronger.

 

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On 5/23/2020 at 1:01 PM, Douglas Buckland said:

Taiwan/Formosa has not been part of China proper since the late 1800’s.

https://www.google.com.my/amp/s/theculturetrip.com/asia/taiwan/articles/taiwan-called-republic-formosa/%3famp=1

I think it was colonized by Spain and other European powers earlier. Those are the same Western powers that were trying to carve up China.

Also, the U.S., one of its major armaments suppliers, does not recognize its independence, and has China as a major trading partner.

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20 minutes ago, ralfy said:

I think it was colonized by Spain and other European powers earlier. Those are the same Western powers that were trying to carve up China.

Also, the U.S., one of its major armaments suppliers, does not recognize its independence, and has China as a major trading partner.

Technically you are correct, but...

Donald Trump has signed into law an act obliging Washington to help bolster international support for Taiwan, putting the US on a collision course with China even as the two countries try to stabilise relations that have deteriorated over the coronavirus pandemic.

The Taiwan Allies International Protection and Enhancement Initiative (TAIPEI) Act, a law passed with strong bipartisan support, requires the Trump administration to reward third countries that have strengthened or upgraded relations with Taiwan. 

The law also says the US must “alter its economic, security and diplomatic engagement with nations that take serious or significant actions to undermine the security or prosperity of Taiwan”, and calls on Washington to advocate for Taiwan’s participation in international organisations.

Edited May 28, 2020 by Douglas Buckland

[Tom Kirkman + 8,860]

21 hours ago, Marcin2 said:

Tom, I just question your motivation

No worries, I am going to take a break from discussing the panic lockdowns / CCP propaganda on this forum.  

Some people PREFER to be mindless zombies and apparently ADORE being told what to do by the government.

And I am just beat down, trying to use reason, logic, humor, memes, anything at my disposal, to attempt to broaden the viewpoints of those who think CCP style government is perfectly fine, that Pelosi, Schumer, et al are saviors of America, and enforced facemasks and enforced lockdowns and enforced destruction of economies are wonderful tools of democracy.

Some people willingly give up their rights and freedoms, and want to burn the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, and want to cede authority of the U.S. to Fauci, UN, WHO, and Bill effing Gates.  Xi would be proud that successful media propaganda is successful.

So I'm going to ignore for a while the willing lemmings who want to not only slit their own throats and hurl themselves off a cliff, but who demand that everyone else also slit their own throats and hurl themselves off a cliff, for "their own protection".

Have at it, slit your own throats and hurl away with abandon.  Go SPLAT on the rocks at the bottom of the cliffs.   Worship your W.H.O. gods.   Adore the CCP style authoritarianism, and jackboot clampdown against dissent from the Official Narrative.  

But stay the eff away from me with these unconstitutional, illogical, destructive, and outright suicidal demands.

And unplug your damn TV.

 

 

 

 

Chinese_State_Media_Tweeting_Between_Centralized_Propaganda_And_Competition.pdf

Flagrant_Foul_China_s_Predatory_Liberalism_and_the_NBA.pdf

Predicting_Authoritarian_Crackdowns_A_Machine_Learning_Approach.pdf

The_Road_to_Digital_Unfreedom_How_Artificial_Intelligence_is_Reshaping_Repression.pdf

Three_Painful_Truths_About_Social_Media.pdf

Tweeting_through_the_great_fire_wall_min.pdf

 

 

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On 5/26/2020 at 2:18 AM, Tom Kirkman said:

Protests in Hong Kong today.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1264614760303247360

 

 

I don't see any date, are those photos taken recently?  I can't find reports of such large gatherings on the MSM, which is strange because they like to sensationalize events.  Instead, the MSM is reporting on the protests, riots, looting and burning happening in Minneapolis and elsewhere in America.  It's horrible.

 

 

Edited May 28, 2020 by Hotone

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23 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

Technically you are correct, but...

Donald Trump has signed into law an act obliging Washington to help bolster international support for Taiwan, putting the US on a collision course with China even as the two countries try to stabilise relations that have deteriorated over the coronavirus pandemic.

The Taiwan Allies International Protection and Enhancement Initiative (TAIPEI) Act, a law passed with strong bipartisan support, requires the Trump administration to reward third countries that have strengthened or upgraded relations with Taiwan. 

The law also says the US must “alter its economic, security and diplomatic engagement with nations that take serious or significant actions to undermine the security or prosperity of Taiwan”, and calls on Washington to advocate for Taiwan’s participation in international organisations.

That's the same U.S. that still does not recognize Taiwan as an independent country and for decades took advantage of another ally, the Philippines, through onerous structural adjustment policies, leading to the latter becoming one of the weakest economies in the region.

In addition, that's the same Taiwan that refuses to accept arbitration in the South China Seas favoring the Philippines.

Meanwhile, that's the same Trump that's been calling for less military expansionism, wants other countries (including allies) to pay for U.S. military costs, and is employing what are essentially policies which resemble those of China (such as controlling borders and restricting trade) and which run contrary to policies needed to keep the dollar propped up.

 

 

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On 5/23/2020 at 10:23 AM, ronwagn said:

 

 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-52762291

Time for a real trade war with China. RCW

NPC: China moves to impose controversial Hong Kong security law

 

Protesters have managed to burn down the 3rd precinct police station

Meanwhile...

Edited May 29, 2020 by Hotone

[Marcin2 + 724]

On 5/27/2020 at 4:53 AM, ralfy said:

At some point, the U.S. won't accept such a world:

 

Do you believe that US-China war is possible ? I know that it seems to be the logical consequence of current hegemony conflict. But both countries have nuclear weapons although China only 280 and US over 2,000.

My opinion ( but also I wish it will evolve this way so I am inherently biased) is that it would stop short  of war.

There would be complete decoupling of US out of China in 5 years, but the rest of the world would still co-operate with both countries.

And US No longer can use US dollar against China cause Russia is fast moving out of US dollar in hydrocarbons sales, and also EU would not back this Kind of attack on China.

I think the crucial will be next 5 years until China becomes more independent in technology and US more independent from Chinese supply chains.

The race is who will be first: China technology independent or US supply chains independent.

Ominous would be preventing people-people contacts only After that war is possible. Till millions of Americans and Chinese visit each other countries all is fine.

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

2 hours ago, Hotone said:

Protesters have managed to burn down the 3rd precinct police station

Meanwhile...

So you take a single unfortunate incident, in a single city in the US, and paint ALL US law enforcement personnel with the same brush...you have a shining career ahead of you in the mass media.

Furthermore, the US has NEVER asked for, or desired, the mantle of ‘policeman of the world’.

And finally, ate you condoning the robbery, looting and destruction of private property, by people who never knew the victim, as an appropriate response to the situation?

Your ignorance is phenomenal!

Edited May 29, 2020 by Douglas Buckland

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

I wonder why we never see police brutality in other countries...🤔

I guess it only happens in America.

[Marcin2 + 724]

On 5/28/2020 at 5:57 AM, Douglas Buckland said:

Technically you are correct, but...

Donald Trump has signed into law an act obliging Washington to help bolster international support for Taiwan, putting the US on a collision course with China even as the two countries try to stabilise relations that have deteriorated over the coronavirus pandemic.

The Taiwan Allies International Protection and Enhancement Initiative (TAIPEI) Act, a law passed with strong bipartisan support, requires the Trump administration to reward third countries that have strengthened or upgraded relations with Taiwan. 

The law also says the US must “alter its economic, security and diplomatic engagement with nations that take serious or significant actions to undermine the security or prosperity of Taiwan”, and calls on Washington to advocate for Taiwan’s participation in international organisations.

You nailed it, US would gang with anybody that has any anti-China interests, this is the essense of hegemony conflict.

But mixing it with any other motivation like human rights in Hong Kong is a real misunderstanding.

Hegemony conflict is about containment of the rising power by current hegemon.

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

12 minutes ago, Marcin2 said:

You nailed it, US would gang with anybody that has any anti-China interests, this is the essense of hegemony conflict.

But mixing it with any other motivation like human rights in Hong Kong is a real misunderstanding.

Hegemony conflict is about containment of the rising power by current hegemon.

You’ve got ‘hegemony’ of the brain! Is that the only issue you can assign to US/China interaction? 

[SERWIN + 749]

On 5/22/2020 at 11:28 PM, Douglas Buckland said:

This was bound to happen, sad to say. If you believe that the CCP will ever honor any agreement, treaty or accord, just look at Hong Kong. Taiwan beware!

They can't even follow a basic trade agreement, let alone anything important like HK. Anyone that actually believed that the CCP would be honorable in anything they did is a fool.... No, I take that back, they aren't a fool, they're an idiot!!! Communist governments do whatever they please whenever they please. It was ignorant for ANYONE to actually believe that anything else would happen, and now, here we are. Every one in the world has been affected now, and a lot of us infected because the governments decided to do business with an obviously corrupt communist government. The blame lies with China partly, but it also lies in the laps of those that started the ball rolling, and with those that allowed it to keep on rolling even when the CCP didn't follow the rules.

Maybe we need some of that aggression that the demonrats are showing their cities and states directed towards China instead. If they hadn't opened the door and then continued allowing them in none of this would have happened in the first place. China is now going on notice, the people in the US are changing sentiment, like "maybe we don't need this chinese made crap as bad as we thought we did", and "maybe we can live without this until it gets moved back to the good ole' USA". My wife and I are doing it now, we have been for a couple of years. It is surprising at how much of this junk we don't actually need, that we can actually survive without. Pretty much anything coming from there has had to be dumbed down so much just for them to be able to produce it that it is garbage before it actually leaves the factory. Just a box of crap that uses up so many resources just to end up in a land fill soon after being bought.....

[Marcin2 + 724]

5 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

You’ve got ‘hegemony’ of the brain! Is that the only issue you can assign to US/China interaction? 

I do not know what would be later, but in the next 10 years, all interractions between US and China would be more or less about their hegemony conflict.

I do not know how old are you, but in the world without nuclear weapons you would be already happily marching in your new military uniform. So say  Thank you to nuclear weapons for current stability.

Most of US interractions with the world and most of China interractions with the world would be directed by this conflict.

Most of activities of all other countries ( not China , not US) in foreign relations are about staying safe and limiting the damage caused by US-China hegemony conflict.

Taking under consideration : 1. capabilities of the modern military gear and 2. how closely economically interconnected and thus fragile is modern world this particular hegemony conflict has the potential to be the most destructive  event in the history of our species.

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by Marcin2
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[Hotone + 412]

21 hours ago, SERWIN said:

They can't even follow a basic trade agreement, let alone anything important like HK. Anyone that actually believed that the CCP would be honorable in anything they did is a fool.... No, I take that back, they aren't a fool, they're an idiot!!! Communist governments do whatever they please whenever they please. It was ignorant for ANYONE to actually believe that anything else would happen, and now, here we are. Every one in the world has been affected now, and a lot of us infected because the governments decided to do business with an obviously corrupt communist government. The blame lies with China partly, but it also lies in the laps of those that started the ball rolling, and with those that allowed it to keep on rolling even when the CCP didn't follow the rules.

Maybe we need some of that aggression that the demonrats are showing their cities and states directed towards China instead. If they hadn't opened the door and then continued allowing them in none of this would have happened in the first place. China is now going on notice, the people in the US are changing sentiment, like "maybe we don't need this chinese made crap as bad as we thought we did", and "maybe we can live without this until it gets moved back to the good ole' USA". My wife and I are doing it now, we have been for a couple of years. It is surprising at how much of this junk we don't actually need, that we can actually survive without. Pretty much anything coming from there has had to be dumbed down so much just for them to be able to produce it that it is garbage before it actually leaves the factory. Just a box of crap that uses up so many resources just to end up in a land fill soon after being bought.....

I don't know, it is the reverse for me.  Say up to 6 years ago, I would consciously  avoid buying Chinese crap.  I mean, I would still buy Western branded stuff that was made in China, which you can't avoid, but not Chinese brands.  

More recently I tried some of the Chinese brands and their quality is now actually pretty good and very good value.  E.g. I switched to Huawei and Oppo phones, I have a couple of Xiaomi robot vacuums, electric toothbrush (replacing Oral B), Xiaomi TV, electric umbrella, mini Segway, remote door lock for my Airbnb apartment, etc., more or less any new gadget is Chinese.  The Geely re-badged car is quite popular here in Malaysia, it's something to consider.  However, I still draw the line on things like health supplements!

Really, these small things don't make much of a difference to the trade balance, and besides Malaysia runs a trade surplus with China.

[RichieRich216 + 454]

So much for 50 years promise!

[Hotone + 412]

23 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

And finally, are you condoning the robbery, looting and destruction of private property, by people who never knew the victim, as an appropriate response to the situation?

Of course not.  Nobody can condone that type of behaviour.  The periodic rage in America is shocking. 

But I would like to call out America's encouragement of the riots in Hong Kong and two faced hypocrisy.

Edited May 30, 2020 by Hotone

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On 5/23/2020 at 1:01 PM, Douglas Buckland said:

Taiwan/Formosa has not been part of China proper since the late 1800’s.

https://www.google.com.my/amp/s/theculturetrip.com/asia/taiwan/articles/taiwan-called-republic-formosa/%3famp=1

in the main, correct.  taken by force by a foreign power, and still maintained by force by a different foreign power.  the people of China want TW returned.  are you ready to join the front line to fight the war?  or will you chicken-out of service like your presidents Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump? 

[frankfurter + 562]

21 hours ago, Douglas Buckland said:

So you take a single unfortunate incident, in a single city in the US, and paint ALL US law enforcement personnel with the same brush...you have a shining career ahead of you in the mass media.

Furthermore, the US has NEVER asked for, or desired, the mantle of ‘policeman of the world’.

And finally, ate you condoning the robbery, looting and destruction of private property, by people who never knew the victim, as an appropriate response to the situation?

Your ignorance is phenomenal!

agree. your ignorance is phenomenal.  the USA history for 200 years is nothing but lynchings and murders. this recent case is but one of many murders committed by police in recent years. 

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16 hours ago, SERWIN said:

They can't even follow a basic trade agreement, let alone anything important like HK. Anyone that actually believed that the CCP would be honorable in anything they did is a fool.... No, I take that back, they aren't a fool, they're an idiot!!! Communist governments do whatever they please whenever they please. It was ignorant for ANYONE to actually believe that anything else would happen, and now, here we are. Every one in the world has been affected now, and a lot of us infected because the governments decided to do business with an obviously corrupt communist government. The blame lies with China partly, but it also lies in the laps of those that started the ball rolling, and with those that allowed it to keep on rolling even when the CCP didn't follow the rules. Maybe we need some of that aggression that the demonrats are showing their cities and states directed towards China instead. If they hadn't opened the door and then continued allowing them in none of this would have happened in the first place. China is now going on notice, the people in the US are changing sentiment, like "maybe we don't need this chinese made crap as bad as we thought we did", and "maybe we can live without this until it gets moved back to the good ole' USA". My wife and I are doing it now, we have been for a couple of years. It is surprising at how much of this junk we don't actually need, that we can actually survive without. Pretty much anything coming from there has had to be dumbed down so much just for them to be able to produce it that it is garbage before it actually leaves the factory. Just a box of crap that uses up so many resources just to end up in a land fill soon after being bought.....

Yet another ignorant, racist rant from yet another drugged-up dumbed-down 'murcan. 

Clearly, you have not studied the basic law of Hong Kong.

Did you buy poor quality products, origin China?  Poor, ignorant sucker. The Chinese laugh at you, all the way to the bank. Products are manufactured to spec. Who set the spec? Hint: not the Chinese. If you are victim to profiteering, you have only yourself and your US businesses [eg Walmart] to blame.

Here, allow me to educate you in a basic fact of life: quality costs. If you think you can buy a high quality product or service, origin anywhere in the world, for cheap price, then you are a complete fool and deserve your lot. 

A fool and his money are soon parted.

 

 

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

3 hours ago, Hotone said:

Of course not.  Nobody can condone that type of behaviour.  The periodic rage in America is shocking. 

But I would like to call out America's instigation of riots and two faced hypocrisy.

Really? Protests and riots are two different things. Are you insinuating that the US supported the protests AND the riots in HK? Are you further suggesting that American’s support the recent rioting in Minneapolis?

You, once again, are creating your own narrative to suit your bias.

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

2 hours ago, frankfurter said:

in the main, correct.  taken by force by a foreign power, and still maintained by force by a different foreign power.  the people of China want TW returned.  are you ready to join the front line to fight the war?  or will you chicken-out of service like your presidents Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump? 

And the people of Taiwan, who have been independent longer than Communist China has existed, do NOT want to be ‘returned’. How do you address that issue?

[Douglas Buckland + 6,308]

2 hours ago, frankfurter said:

agree. your ignorance is phenomenal.  the USA history for 200 years is nothing but lynchings and murders. this recent case is but one of many murders committed by police in recent years. 

Really, for 200+ years we’ve been doing nothing but lynching and murdering? I think you suffer from ‘selective history’.

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On 5/28/2020 at 5:04 PM, ralfy said:

That's the same U.S. that still does not recognize Taiwan as an independent country and for decades took advantage of another ally, the Philippines, through onerous structural adjustment policies, leading to the latter becoming one of the weakest economies in the region.

You’ve been to the PI?