In a Nutshell...

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7 hours ago, Hotone said:

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-USA-the-most-evil-government-in-the-world/answer/Goddy-Ubom?ch=10&share=53db39be&srid=un8Cl

Sooo, right off the top, the US didn't kill Gaddafi or invade Libya, it provided logistic support for European powers who were demanding action so Misrata wasn't butchered. The Europeans of course wouldn't finish the job without the US getting more involved and that left the opening for the black flag crew to move on in. The black flag crew is always waiting for a vacuum.

Of course if the US did nothing at all, we would be blamed for the blood bath that would have occurred in Misrata.

Don't worry Hotone, the US population is fed up with wars around the world so your countries can go ahead and get back to fighting them without us.

You do realize wars are still going to happen without any US involvement?

They're even going to multiply, it's already happening. Syria isn't over by a long shot.

Edited July 5, 2020 by Strangelovesurfing

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36 minutes ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

Don't worry Hotone, the US population is fed up with wars around the world so your countries can go ahead and get back to fighting them without us.

The USA is the Policeman of the world.  That happened quite by accident, the result of the big build-up of WWII and also having its territory outside the combat zone except for insignificant pieces.  It also retained both manpower and materiel.  Thus it ended up as the world's go-to source for police service, when others degenerated into warfare.   Did the Americans ask for that role?  Emphatically, no.  Remember that the first big use of Americans as world policemen was at the time of the North Koreans invading South Korea; American soldiers and naval firepower and naval aircraft (off carriers) beat back the North Koreans.  The UN had no one else ready to step up to the plate, so it fell to the Americans largely by default. 

Even today, others look to the Americans to be their policemen.  The Filipinos are terrified of Chinese invasion, with good reason; they are inviting the US Navy back to Subic Bay.  The Japanese have for over a half century relied solely on the US Navy for its protection.  And that pattern continues around the globe.  The places where the USA has not responded with military force, including Ukraine, Georgia, Rwanda, Burma, and now Sudan, continue to fester and degenerate into pre-Neanderthal violence.  Look at Liberia, where one band of partisans went around chopping off the limbs of the opponents.  They would ask you your preference, "Short sleeve, or long sleeve?" before deciding to cut off your hand at the wrist or at the elbow.  Such lovely people. Or Ethiopia, where if you fell into the hands of the wrong tribal group, you would be ritually castrated.  Just lovely. 

The rest of the world does not want to be World Policeman, so the Americans have taken that thankless task by default.  That is about to end.  I predict entire countries, even continents, will become so lawless that it will be unable to travel there.   You don't like the Americans?  Fine;  see how much you like castration.  And they do it without anesthesia, in case you were wondering.  You are tied to a post, the man comes up to you with the big knife, he reaches down and grabs you by the balls, and he cuts them off with a big grin.  I invite you to ponder that experience. 

Edited July 5, 2020 by Jan van Eck

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On 7/3/2020 at 4:27 PM, ronwagn said:

They should be rooting big time for Joe Biden! If he were to be elected, God forbid, the terrorists would do their best to expand all their operations along with the growing "Squad" and all the other leftists in the Demoncrat Party. Just read their old platform and their new one when it comes out. 

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24 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

They should be rooting big time for Joe Biden! If he were to be elected, God forbid,

Why?  Do Americans not have the perfect right to vote as their elected officials, anyone they choose? 

Mr. Biden would make a fine President.  He would be mild, inoffensive, say bland things, and be polite to foreigners.  After a suitably decent time, he could retire, and the Vice President  (presumably much younger and more energetic and alert) would step up to the plate.  Works for me.   Just make sure you have a great VP on the ticket. 

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23 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

Why?  Do Americans not have the perfect right to vote as their elected officials, anyone they choose? 

Mr. Biden would make a fine President.  He would be mild, inoffensive, say bland things, and be polite to foreigners.  After a suitably decent time, he could retire, and the Vice President  (presumably much younger and more energetic and alert) would step up to the plate.  Works for me.   Just make sure you have a great VP on the ticket. 

If they had a great V.P. candidate that would be a good option. Biden has already promised he would pick a Black Woman. The stable of candidates doesn't have a good option. They are all more liberal than he is. They are all mediocre and malleable. It is a perfect setup for the globalists and cronies to give away our rights, pick bad Supreme Court choices, destroy the economy, create even more social unrest, rebuild the deep state etc. etc.

I initially thought Kamala Harris would be a good candidate for president but she proved to not be as saleable as I thought she would be. I think that Elizabeth Warren would be the best candidate but she is far left and is polling terribly. She has a lot of attractive ideas for the far left to salivate over. My guess is Kamala will get the nod. Regardless of who it is, if elected, there will be lots of people willing to help the country go socialist, undermine the Constitution, and make terrible deals with China and everyone else. 

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47 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Regardless of who it is, if elected, there will be lots of people willing to help the country go socialist, undermine the Constitution, and make terrible deals with China and everyone else. 

See, this is what happens when the Party does not pick me as Vice President.   Typical blunderers. 

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On 7/3/2020 at 3:37 PM, Zhong Lu said:

The mythical "them."  What them? Obviously the Democrats have lobbyists.  Well, so do Trump and Republicans.  They also have "many years of political careers trying to secure promotions and make money," etc. etc.  All the shit you say about Democrats applies to your side, too.  

"There's a lot of assholes on the other side." Well yeah.  As it happens, there's a lot of assholes on your side, too, doing the exact same shit you're accusing the assholes on the other side of doing.  As i said: it's a bunch of assholes accusing other assholes of being assholes.  That's all this is.

There is no equivalence because the business of the Democratic party since FDR is a coalition of Marxist ideologues and the traditional organized crime wing (Joe Kennedy) and its long time partners in the unions and party machines. Democrat's business in politics was and remains extortion. Republicans do have affiliation with the "military industrial complex" and they will respond to lobbying. But they generally have self generated goals and they are not shake down artists like the Dem leadership. Nor have the Reps incorporated into their party the local agents of the Soviets that the US and the West fought for 50 years.

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3 hours ago, 0R0 said:

There is no equivalence because the business of the Democratic party since FDR is a coalition of Marxist ideologues and the traditional organized crime wing (Joe Kennedy) and its long time partners in the unions and party machines. Democrat's business in politics was and remains extortion. Republicans do have affiliation with the "military industrial complex" and they will respond to lobbying. But they generally have self generated goals and they are not shake down artists like the Dem leadership. Nor have the Reps incorporated into their party the local agents of the Soviets that the US and the West fought for 50 years.

America won the Cold War. Political parties change. Ronald Reagan famously said: I didn't leave my party my party left me. 

Ex-Republicans and conservatives joined the Democratic Party. Bernie and his bros got booted by Democrats in 2018 and 2020. Cable news shows used to interview Bernie and his people all the time, until Bernie lost the Democratic nomination to Joe Biden. TV news producers thought Bernie was the future of the party and the party said, "nope, he ain't." 

After Bernie lost, Lincoln Project Conservatives aligned with mainstream Democrats. Why? Because they have a common enemy in Trump and -- more importantly -- a shared fundamental interest, i.e. competent liberal democracy. 

American political identity is in the middle of another great sorting. 


 

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5 hours ago, 0R0 said:

There is no equivalence because the business of the Democratic party since FDR is a coalition of Marxist ideologues and the traditional organized crime wing (Joe Kennedy) and its long time partners in the unions and party machines. Democrat's business in politics was and remains extortion. Republicans do have affiliation with the "military industrial complex" and they will respond to lobbying. But they generally have self generated goals and they are not shake down artists like the Dem leadership. Nor have the Reps incorporated into their party the local agents of the Soviets that the US and the West fought for 50 years.

There is no such thing as a Democratic party.  Nor is there a Republican party. What there is is a collection of individuals who call themselves "members of the Democratic party" or "members of the Republican party."  But the concept of the party itself is just a figment of people's imaginations.  And the terms are imprecise enough that when you talk about "Democrats" or "Republicans" and when I talk about them, we're talking about DIFFERENT concepts entirely even though we're using the same words.

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9 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

There is no such thing as a Democratic party.  Nor is there a Republican party. What there is is a collection of individuals who call themselves "members of the Democratic party" or "members of the Republican party."  But the concept of the party itself is just a figment of people's imaginations.  And the terms are imprecise enough that when you talk about "Democrats" or "Republicans" and when I talk about them, we're talking about DIFFERENT concepts entirely even though we're using the same words.

Oxytocin causes humans to identify with political labels and sports teams. Humans can identify so strongly with a group that they turn off critical thinking, offshoring that function to charismatic leaders. That's how we wound up with the insanity that is the Cult of Trump. You can't convince people to eschew groups because you can't deny Oxytocin but you can get them to switch to socially healthy groups. 

After Trump loses in 2020 it's going to snap many -- not all -- of his cultists out of their daydream. They'll have the same experience people have when they leave religious cults. They'll wonder what they were thinking without realizing they *weren't* thinking. Portions of their brains will turn back on and their critical thinking will start functioning again. 

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19 hours ago, BradleyPNW said:

After Bernie lost, Lincoln Project Conservatives aligned with mainstream Democrats.
 

You do not know what the word CONSERVATIVE means.  Not a single one of the Rhinos on the Lincoln Project were ever conservatives.  Only reason they ever ran for Repub party is because in those districts it was impossible to run as a Democrat and most of them are old turds from the John McCain camp who have never seen a war they did not want to start personally. 

So, if mainline Democrats want to align with warmongers without a fiscal conservative bone in their body... go ahead. 

By the Way: trumps BIGGEST problem?  National Debt and the real reason most Republicans do not like him. 

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Actually a lot of Republicans don't like him because he acts like a rude asshole and because Trump is not conservative.  Note how he's constantly expanding the federal government into state and business affairs.  Tariffs, executive orders, etc.   

Also, the point of politics in a democracy is to EXPAND the coalition, not shrink it, which is what Trump is doing for the Republican party.  While the country is getting browner and more suburban over time, Trump is shrinking the Republican party's base to a bunch of white dudes living in rural areas.  That's a small exaggeration, but not by much.  I'm sure you can find a picture of some random black dude who supports him.  But his numbers among Hispanics and Blacks and people living in suburbs and anyone under the age of 30 is abysmal.  

Edited July 7, 2020 by Zhong Lu

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Frankly if I was a Democratic strategist and I wanted to destroy the Republican party from the inside out and guarantee a generation of Democratic dominance, the last 4 years couldn't have gone any better.  Either way, we'll see how the elections play out.  

Edited July 7, 2020 by Zhong Lu

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The purpose of a Party serve 2 purposes:

1 General direction, guideline, a tendency to move toward to. Because of US was a far right Capitalism, naturally Conservative meaning have the tendency to go with deregulations. If Russia has a Conservative Party it would mean move toward more regulations.

2 Responsible for the Party brand name. Are the founders of Apple, Google still the same people who are running it now? But are consumers use Apple or Google products because of the brand name. 

Keep dictating that Parties change are just like telling other people will change or people will die and the next generation will take over with new decisions. It is useless and everyone knows about this, who doesn't? No one here was living in the 1930s to experience the political environment back then.

How gold would Pele or Maradona be if they joined top soccers clubs nowadays? Everything changes with time.  The same with US before and after Civil War and after 1960s. Who were born as slaves in the US now to represent them?

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With Internet Area, in developed countries there are no barrier in knowledges between rural and suburbs, depends on what to expect. Many farmers may less use facebook but they still use smartphones for daily activities. And they can fix their trucks like any technicians in car servicing centers, or fix farming devices as good as many mechanics, renovate their houses. In New Zealand many farmers fly helicopters for their daily jobs in remote terrain. For example for Manuka honey farming that feed in single manuka flower, first class honey, besides the farming of the flower, they will use helicopter to fly around looking for a manuka flower spot and drop the beehive in. 

The only reason they are white because it is a huge investment to buy a farm with stocks, then a huge need of weathers, farming knowledges, seeds, and experiences passing from generations with tech changes to reduce the work. Many rich people with color or immigrants who mostly benefits from Real Estate in their home countries don't have these experiences or knowledges to start with. Look at Zimbabwe as example on putting the wrong people run the farm.

Farming culture tend to self sustain as well and they don't often have the luxury of going shopping and spending. 

Yes you can hire services for all of the above, but then higher cost, more risk and lower returns so they would get seasonal workers only for seasonal jobs only and most of the are not white. Young farm boys and girls rush to city for mating and escape farming life style. How many people in the city has as much as technical skills and knowledges like farmers? And how many of people in the suburban are smart enough or have enough savings for understanding finance, or even accountants?

If you can have job and decide to live in welfare (homeless or not), then suburban is the best place to live because there are as much people like you around you and it could have been for generations. For the millennium who works, how many of these "successful" suburban citizen can have their own house in big cities with lots of tech jobs (even with mortgage) while farmers are truly bourgeois with huge asset. And most of the ones in suburban were thinking they know more. A farmer can go to suburban to work in Mc Donald, or living in welfare, no skills required, or they can choose to go to uni for a tech job in engineering fields (many has been doing this) but can a suburban citizen to go to rural and live and compete with the farmers around them with all the skills they have?

And people in suburban think that they are smarter and have a better political choice? I would trade my house and my job for a farm with stocks with training how to run the systems.

And most of the top public schools are not in the inner cities. Given most rich people send their children to private schools.

It is nothing like in developing countries or  communism countries where people rush to the suburbs to be rich and the farmers are so exploited that abandon the farms and go to suburban to have more money or lands can be confiscated with very cheap compensation anytime. 

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2 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

Actually a lot of Republicans don't like him because he acts like a rude asshole and because Trump is not conservative.  Note how he's constantly expanding the federal government into state and business affairs.  Tariffs, executive orders, etc.   

Also, the point of politics in a democracy is to EXPAND the coalition, not shrink it,

Way to prove you are not from the USA and do not know its politics or how its government functions...

Yes, Trump is rude?  So?  Need someone rude to bash the blatant lies of the Democrats/MSM.  The ruder the better. 

Trump is not Conservative fiscally via his actions, 100% true.  Socially?  Not exactly.  Democrats certainly are not either of these things so, at the Presidential level, senate level, or representative level, there is no one to vote for other than Repubs who give lip service at least to those issues even if they mostly do not follow through.  Making something about a single man in the presidential office is stupid.  Congress is FAR MORE IMPORTANT.  

Expanding Federal government?  Trump? Are you delusional?  Trying to end the illegal DACA program which CONGRESS has NOT authorized?  How, getting rid of FEDERAL idiot regulations is expanding the government?  Now I would argue the Fed Gov needs a 35% reduction as I am a fiscal conservative first, but almost all of my guys got voted out by Republicans EXPANDING their platform trying for the centrist votes which you claim they are not doing.  At least the Repubs at this moment in time still stand for Freedom of Speech and ability to defend yourself and not Censorship which nearly every Democrat does.   

Tariffs IS the role of the Federal government.  Executive orders... there I will partially agree as it entirely depends on the exec order in question, but only because Congress is not doing their job.

Democrats want free thieving money for everyone, from medicare, SNAP, to HUD to student loan stupidity. 

As for race baiting BS... IF the color of your skin means you want to steal from others for "free" fed money in the form of medicare, SNAP, HUD, Student Loan BS, then I am opposed. 

Last I checked, stealing from others via the vote ballot box has nothing to do with skin color.  Has everything to do with being a selfish arrogant person unwilling to support themselves. 

As for rural vrs city... What crap. USA is 85% urban...  In fact the disparity is TOO high, and rural areas NEED workers but due to lack of tariffs etc, it has forced all manual vegetable/fruit picking to either be mechanized or to leave the country.  It is now to the point that the USA which used to be the largest AG exporter on earth as a percentage of Import/export barely has a surplus.  Used to grow exotics in Puerto Rico, but due to IDIOTIC fed regulations, forced entire AG industry OUT of Puerto Rico and now the unemployment has exploded in the PR... Gosh Golly Gee, I wonder why.  Columbia/Brazil/Chile/Mexico loves it though as now food which used to be grown in the USA is now grown elsewhere. 

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Tariffs are something Democrats would do.  And frankly they're not helping at all.  Companies are moving factories to places like Vietnam.  Michigan, Pennslyvania, and Iowa are all struggling as a result of the tariff war.  

Many of the farmers who voted for Trump got fucked.  

Also, I'd like to point out that the national debt and deficit and federal bureaucracy is as large as it has ever been.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-farms-bankruptcy/us-farm-bankruptcies-hit-an-eight-year-high-court-data-idUSKBN1ZT2YE#:~:text=According to data released this,for the past five years.

According to data released this week by the United States Courts, family farmers filed 595 Chapter 12 bankruptcies in 2019, up from 498 filings a year earlier. The data also shows that such filings - known as “family farmer” bankruptcies - have steadily increased every year for the past five years.

[Well whatever.  Many of them got what they voted for].

Edited July 7, 2020 by Zhong Lu

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On 7/6/2020 at 7:03 AM, footeab@yahoo.com said:

You do not know what the word CONSERVATIVE means.  Not a single one of the Rhinos on the Lincoln Project were ever conservatives.  Only reason they ever ran for Repub party is because in those districts it was impossible to run as a Democrat and most of them are old turds from the John McCain camp who have never seen a war they did not want to start personally. 

So, if mainline Democrats want to align with warmongers without a fiscal conservative bone in their body... go ahead. 

By the Way: trumps BIGGEST problem?  National Debt and the real reason most Republicans do not like him. 

RINO is a dumb term in a political context because it's subtractive rather than additive. Nancy Pelosi dunks on the Republican Party because she always makes a point of emphasizing how the Democratic Party is a big tent when members of her party disagree with her. Right wing-nutjob media personalities use the term RINO because it helps them segment and retain audience. Anyone who uses the term RINO in the form of an accusation is either the con or the mark. 

Lincoln Project Conservatives are ideologically conservative. Their ideological beliefs motivate them to expose Donald's con. Trump Cultists are helpless in the face of the Lincoln Project Conservative attack ads because the ideology of a Trump Cultist is at the mercy of Donald's erratic whims. To a Trump Cultist, conservative just means whatever Donald says it means at any moment. If Donald tells you what conservative means he'll change the meaning of the term three times in a single sentence while managing to contradict himself each time. 
 

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4 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

Many of the farmers who voted for Trump got fucked. 

[Well whatever.  Many of them got what they voted for].

How ignorant of basic facts are you?  Said Farmers have a gigantic glut of product.  They are at the mercy of the importers.  Why the Hell would they expect the world to keep importing when the world is coming up to our standard for agriculture production?  Take Africa as an example: True, their population is booming, but they literally were using agricultural practices of the stone age.  That is before we talk fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides.  India, biggest food production region on the planet after the USA, still is at ~50% production per acre of the USA/Europe and India gets to triple crop.....  India is already self sufficient in food even though their population is exploding.  Let that sink in, when India by itself comes up to modern agricultural standards will be able to feed another ~2 Billion on top of its own population.  China also is coming up to modern standards.  True they do not have as good of AG land, but their production/acre is increasing as well.  So, 2/3 the worlds population not only IS vastly increasing food production, but they have the potential to effectively DOUBLE supply. 

In what universe do these giant monoculture wheat/canola/corn/soy farms in the USA, AUS, Ukraine, Russia, Kazak, Argentina, Brazil think for half a second the world will continue to buy their surplus grain?  At least Brazil has a lock on Sugar production.  Everyone wants sugar but cannot grow it effectively. 

There is pretty much only 2 major food importers and they both import the exact same thing: Soy cake to feed to pigs, chickens, cattle.  China, just had a gigantic swine flu which eliminated half of their pork industry for feed...  Gee, I wonder why soybean quotas dropped even before one talks trade war.  But in this it does not matter as both the EU/China both import the exact same thing, SOY.  There is also only a small regions in teh world able to grow soy in meaningful harvests.  Argentina/Paraguay/Brazil border region, and the USA. 

The other food importers mostly import wheat, which comes from anywhere. 

No farmer voted for your cultural hero Trump because of his farm platform.  Hell, Trump did not even know farms existed until year 2 of his presidency. 

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2 hours ago, BradleyPNW said:

RINO is a dumb term in a political context because

Trump Cultist, conservative just means whatever Donald says it means at any moment

Paging TDS doctor to the ER

Paging TDS doctor to the ER

Diagnosis: Insane.  Reason:  No Conservative would classify Trump as Conservative.  Rhino= DemocratLite?  Yes.  Conservative?  Certainly not. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

How ignorant of basic facts are you?  Said Farmers have a gigantic glut of product.  They are at the mercy of the importers.  Why the Hell would they expect the world to keep importing when the world is coming up to our standard for agriculture production?  Take Africa as an example: True, their population is booming, but they literally were using agricultural practices of the stone age.  That is before we talk fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides.  India, biggest food production region on the planet after the USA, still is at ~50% production per acre of the USA/Europe and India gets to triple crop.....  India is already self sufficient in food even though their population is exploding.  Let that sink in, when India by itself comes up to modern agricultural standards will be able to feed another ~2 Billion on top of its own population.  China also is coming up to modern standards.  True they do not have as good of AG land, but their production/acre is increasing as well.  So, 2/3 the worlds population not only IS vastly increasing food production, but they have the potential to effectively DOUBLE supply. 

In what universe do these giant monoculture wheat/canola/corn/soy farms in the USA, AUS, Ukraine, Russia, Kazak, Argentina, Brazil think for half a second the world will continue to buy their surplus grain?  At least Brazil has a lock on Sugar production.  Everyone wants sugar but cannot grow it effectively. 

There is pretty much only 2 major food importers and they both import the exact same thing: Soy cake to feed to pigs, chickens, cattle.  China, just had a gigantic swine flu which eliminated half of their pork industry for feed...  Gee, I wonder why soybean quotas dropped even before one talks trade war.  But in this it does not matter as both the EU/China both import the exact same thing, SOY.  There is also only a small regions in teh world able to grow soy in meaningful harvests.  Argentina/Paraguay/Brazil border region, and the USA. 

The other food importers mostly import wheat, which comes from anywhere. 

No farmer voted for your cultural hero Trump because of his farm platform.  Hell, Trump did not even know farms existed until year 2 of his presidency. 

Farmers were doing fine 4 years ago. Now they're going  bankrupt. Will see how they vote.  It's their opinion that matters, not yours or mine.  Spin it how you want.  Doesn't matter.

MFBA.  "Make Farmers Bankrupt Again."  Lots of promises.  None kept.  

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4 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

Farmers were doing fine 4 years ago. Now they're going  bankrupt. Will see how they vote.  It's their opinion that matters, not yours or mine.  Spin it how you want.  Doesn't matter.

MFBA.  "Make Farmers Bankrupt Again."  Lots of promises.  None kept.  

Hey farmers: Here's an idea: farm more than grains only which have dropped in value.  What a thought...  Already 1/3 of all prime US AG land is not tilled and yet output yield per acre has INCREASED and continues to increase.  If it was not for the Ethanol mandate(gigantic subsidy), even more "farmers" would be bankrupt as well, or get this.... would FARM different food.  If I had it my way, the Ethanol subsidy would die along with the entire farm bill.  All those subsidies go to gigantic commercial farms anyways. 

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Uh huh. Doesn't help that they don't have the financing or the money to "farm different foods," as you frivolously put it.  You have to buy the seed, the equipment, blah blah blah.  It ain't easy and requires a lot of money and a lot of them have gone bankrupt over the last 4 years thanks to Trump's trade wars.  

As I've said before: Trump is a bigger threat to his allies then his enemies.  His policies have destroyed thousands of farmers' livelihoods across the Midwest.  And now come this November I think he's going to take down the Republican party with him and usher in a decade of Democratic dominance.  

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11 hours ago, Zhong Lu said:

Uh huh. Doesn't help that they don't have the financing or the money to "farm different foods," as you frivolously put it.  You have to buy the seed, the equipment, blah blah blah.  It ain't easy and requires a lot of money and a lot of them have gone bankrupt over the last 4 years thanks to Trump's trade wars.  

As I've said before: Trump is a bigger threat to his allies then his enemies.  His policies have destroyed thousands of farmers' livelihoods across the Midwest.  And now come this November I think he's going to take down the Republican party with him and usher in a decade of Democratic dominance.  

Bull Shit: Apples, Cherries, Limes, Lemons, Avacados, rasberries, etc are all being massively imported now.  Once you have a single plant, you can propagate to your hearts content.  Even bankrupt farmers can afford to buy a box of cuttings for $20.  True, you can't switch everything overnight, but any farmer who is actually a FARMER would do so.  Every farmer used to do so.  Oh and a BIG reason said farmers are bankrupt?  Because seed companies keep them as slaves as they claim their seeds are inventions and therefore you cannot harvest your own seed from your OWN harvest and grow the next year.  This must be removed. 

Likewise the harvest season for most of those "other" crops are NOT when grain season is so the rural people actually had CONSISTENT work.  Today, you have spring planting, fall harvesting, winter tilling which is "work" for ~4 weeks out of the year... Gee I wonder why they are bankrupt.  If you only work a tiny portion out of the year, guess what, you are going to go bankrupt. 

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Ah yes.  Non farmers telling farmers what to do and why they're poor.  

Four years ago: record profits for farmers.

Now: Bankruptcy.  

Results.  They don't look too good for your president.  

Edited July 9, 2020 by Zhong Lu

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On 7/9/2020 at 6:30 AM, footeab@yahoo.com said:

  On 7/8/2020 at 6:54 PM, Zhong Lu said:

Uh huh. Doesn't help that they don't have the financing or the money to "farm different foods," as you frivolously put it.  You have to buy the seed, the equipment, blah blah blah.  It ain't easy and requires a lot of money and a lot of them have gone bankrupt over the last 4 years thanks to Trump's trade wars.  

As I've said before: Trump is a bigger threat to his allies then his enemies.  His policies have destroyed thousands of farmers' livelihoods across the Midwest.  And now come this November I think he's going to take down the Republican party with him and usher in a decade of Democratic dominance.  

The U.S. farm sector is fine.  The biggest loss for farmers, even in the midst of the trade war with the CCP, is flooding, as usual.

There are an estimated 2,000,000 farms in the U.S.  Yes, bankruptcies were up by some 20% in 2019, and that meant an increase from 498 in 2018 to 595 last year, so a WHOPPING 0.00029 percent of farmers declared bankruptcy in 2019 under Chapter 12 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code!!

Chapter 12 is a part of the federal bankruptcy code that is designed for family farmers and fishermen to restructure their debts. It was created during the 1980s farm crisis as a simple court procedure to let family farmers keep operating while working out a plan to repay lenders.

So even the farmers who declared Chapter 12 continued to operate, by and large, while restructuring debt and reorganizing.

Agriculture in the U.S. is worth over $1 Trillion.  Overall sales of American farm goods to China dropped to $9.3 billion in 2018 from $19.6 billion in 2017 as the trade war escalated, before picking up to about $14 billion last year.  And then, The Trump Administration announced a total of $28 billion in aid for farmers in 2018 and 2019. The administration secured another $23.5 billion to help American farmers through the $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus package passed in March.  So, for losses amounting to roughly $14 Billion, they have been provided with relief to the tune of approximately $51 Billion.

The U.S. farm sector is fine.