ronwagn + 6,290 August 16, 2020 https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-15/worst-heat-wave-in-years-causes-rolling-blackouts-dangerous-conditions-across-california This is what happens when you go off course and overly depend on wind and solar rather than making sure you have plenty of natural gas plants operating. Wind and solar cannot do the job. RCW More rolling blackouts in California amid power shortages, searing heat More rolling blackouts in California amid power shortages, searing heat 1 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Douglas Buckland + 6,308 August 16, 2020 Correct! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 August 16, 2020 Update https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2020/08/16/california-suffers-2-days-of-blackouts-as-wind-solar-power-falter/ Outages to continue through Wednesday. I had rolling blackouts in the Inland Empire of Southern California two years ago. They are not that unusual. My brother just moved to an upscale home on a small hill in Banning. His first happening was the Apple Fire which burned everything from Cherry Valley to near town and the freeway. Also North to near the peak of Mt. San Gorgonio, the highest mountains in Southern California ( I have climbed it twice). The fire has reached eastward for miles also. There are many other fires burning in California also. So, my brother got to watch his great view turn to black. Hopefully he will live long enough to see it look near normal again. https://wildfiretoday.com/tag/apple-fire/ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Enthalpic + 1,496 August 17, 2020 Remember Enron? A Texan energy company that manipulated the Californian energy market well before renewables gained traction? Artificial scarcity to manipulate markets and people - it has happened before. You guys love conspiracy theories; perhaps the remaining fossil plants are purposely cutting power to make renewable energy less popular. https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/07/business/enron-forced-up-california-prices-documents-show.html https://www.theguardian.com/business/2005/feb/05/enron.usnews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron:_The_Smartest_Guys_in_the_Room 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW August 17, 2020 On 8/16/2020 at 4:08 AM, ronwagn said: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-15/worst-heat-wave-in-years-causes-rolling-blackouts-dangerous-conditions-across-california This is what happens when you go off course and overly depend on wind and solar rather than making sure you have plenty of natural gas plants operating. Wind and solar cannot do the job. RCW More rolling blackouts in California amid power shortages, searing heat More rolling blackouts in California amid power shortages, searing heat Last week in the UK heatwave we had to fire up coal fired power stations as the gas stations don't work as efficiently and their output drops. Fortunately solar was there to help out the gas plants😀 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuarterCenturyVet + 312 JL August 17, 2020 10 hours ago, Enthalpic said: Remember Enron? A Texan energy company that manipulated the Californian energy market well before renewables gained traction? Artificial scarcity to manipulate markets and people - it has happened before. You guys love conspiracy theories; perhaps the remaining fossil plants are purposely cutting power to make renewable energy less popular. https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/07/business/enron-forced-up-california-prices-documents-show.html https://www.theguardian.com/business/2005/feb/05/enron.usnews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron:_The_Smartest_Guys_in_the_Room 2002 to 2005? Everyone remembers the Enron scandal. This isn't that, you REDmontonian clown. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Kramer + 696 R August 17, 2020 27 minutes ago, NickW said: Last week in the UK heatwave we had to fire up coal fired power stations as the gas stations don't work as efficiently and their output drops. Fortunately solar was there to help out the gas plants😀 More like natural gas let you idle coal and there just wasn't enough for a peak. Imagine you retired your coal because its dirty and had blackouts because of it. That's what's happening in California. Your last comment is equivalent to me saying fortunately you have fossil fuel generation to have a reliable system. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW August 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Rob Kramer said: More like natural gas let you idle coal and there just wasn't enough for a peak. Imagine you retired your coal because its dirty and had blackouts because of it. That's what's happening in California. Your last comment is equivalent to me saying fortunately you have fossil fuel generation to have a reliable system. Quite possible. In a cold country like the Uk a few coal fired plants to help cope with winter peaks worth having on standby. Also diversifies fuel supply so good for energy security. 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronwagn + 6,290 August 17, 2020 Update on California's energy problems: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-17/california-blackouts-feared-extreme-weather New rolling blackouts could hit millions in California; Newsom calls crisis ‘unacceptable’ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J.mo + 165 jm August 18, 2020 Living in California is as close to living in Cuba as I can imagine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUZNV + 1,197 August 18, 2020 (edited) They still enjoy Wind and Solar and Hydro Energy at the beach. But I thought every family in Cali has a solar umbrella for light at night? Edited August 18, 2020 by SUZNV Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbag99 + 20 TB August 23, 2020 But the US Electrical infrastucture sucks and blows. No offense but 150 blackouts a year, the US does worse than Nigeria! The US burns so much gas at source there should never be a power cut ever. Yet there are 150 each and every year. So the number is likely to climb, from adverse weather conditions and from heat waves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbag99 + 20 TB August 23, 2020 On 8/17/2020 at 4:55 PM, NickW said: Quite possible. In a cold country like the Uk a few coal fired plants to help cope with winter peaks worth having on standby. Also diversifies fuel supply so good for energy security. Quite frankly we could close coal tomorrow in the UK. The travesty is letting the UK use gas as a base load. Turning off nuclear, to burn gas is just fricking insane. Some people need to lose their jobs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,539 August 23, 2020 My personal family and acquaintances have left California over the past 5 yrs, between taxes,toll roads and quality of life it is there opinion the dream has left the building. No matter where you reside at some point you do have to enter the mainstream of life and it is a rather repugnant experience. Take the time to reflect on Kobe Bryant using a bird to get across town...there was a reason for that..traffic and chaos everywhere. Baby boomers are leaving in droves..Personally it is all about expectations, rolling blackouts just another speed bump and that is a shame. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickW + 2,714 NW August 23, 2020 56 minutes ago, Blackbag99 said: Quite frankly we could close coal tomorrow in the UK. The travesty is letting the UK use gas as a base load. Turning off nuclear, to burn gas is just fricking insane. Some people need to lose their jobs I agree although I have massive reservations about allowing the Chinese involvement. We can thank war criminal Bliar for flushing our nuclear expertise down the sh1tter, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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