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Wow that's quite the change of tone from literally encouraging a march on the capitol, saying he'll be marching with them!

'Healing and reconciliation' - eww - all sounds a bit lefty. Oh my god they must have gotten to him! What could they have on him that finally made him comply? Could it be, a video of him applying the fake tan!?? 😮

Sorry - I'll be accused of being Enthalpic next

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9 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Trump said everyone needed to go home peacefully, so twitter banned him for that.

Wrong again Ward.  Does it get tiring?  They banned him because he continued to push false and misleading election claims in the same video.  You should seek help to try to get back to the real world someway, somehow.

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Note Peggy Noonan's reference to Hitler, in regard to his last 14 delusional days in his bunker. 

WSJ Editorial Board: Donald Trump’s Final Days

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-final-days-11610062773?mod=opinion_lead_pos1

Excerpt:

If Mr. Trump wants to avoid a second impeachment, his best path would be to take personal responsibility and resign. This would be the cleanest solution since it would immediately turn presidential duties over to Mr. Pence. And it would give Mr. Trump agency, a la Richard Nixon, over his own fate. . . .

We know an act of grace by Mr. Trump isn’t likely. In any case this week has probably finished him as a serious political figure. He has cost Republicans the House, the White House, and now the Senate. Worse, he has betrayed his loyal supporters by lying to them about the election and the ability of Congress and Mr. Pence to overturn it. He has refused to accept the basic bargain of democracy, which is to accept the result, win or lose.

It is best for everyone, himself included, if he goes away quietly.

 

Peggy Noonan (WSJ Columnist): Bring the Insurrectionists to Justice

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bring-the-insurrectionists-to-justice-11610065179?mod=opinion_lead_pos8

Excerpt:

As for the chief instigator, the president of the United States, he should be removed from office by the 25th Amendment or impeachment, whichever is faster. This, with only a week and a half to go, would be a most extraordinary action, but this has been an extraordinary time. Mike Pence is a normal American political figure; he will not have to mount a new government; he appears to be sane; he will in this brief, strange interlude do fine.

The president should be removed for reasons of justice—he urged a crowd to march on Congress, and, when it turned violent, had to be dragged into telling them, equivocally, to go home—and prudence. Mitt Romney had it exactly right: “What happened here . . . was an insurrection, incited by the president of the United States.” As for prudence, Mr. Trump is a sick, bad man and therefore, as president, a dangerous one. He has grown casually bloody-minded, nattering on about force and denouncing even his own vice president as a coward for not supporting unconstitutional measures. No one seems to be certain how Mr. Trump spends his days. He doesn’t bother to do his job. The White House is in meltdown. The only thing that captures his interest is the fact that he lost, which fills him with thoughts of vengeance.

Removing him would go some distance to restoring our reputation, reinforcing our standards, and clarifying constitutional boundaries for future presidents who might need it. . . .

To the devil’s apprentices, Sens. Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz. They are clever men, highly educated, well-credentialed, endlessly articulate. They see themselves as leading conservative lights, but in this drama they have proved themselves punks practicing punk politics. They are like people who know the value of nothing, who see no frailty around them, who inherited a great deal—an estate built by the work and wealth of others—and feel no responsibility for maintaining the foundation because pop gave them a strong house, right? They are careless inheritors of a nation, an institution, a party that previous generations built at some cost.

They backed a lie and held out the chimera of some possible Trump victory that couldn’t happen, and hid behind the pretense that they were just trying to be fair to all parties and investigate any suspicions of vote fraud, when what they were really doing was playing—coolly, with lawyerly sophistication—not to the base but to the sickness within the base. They should have stood up and told the truth, that democracy moves forward, that the election was imperfect as all elections are, and more so because of the pandemic rules, which need to be changed, but the fact is the voters of America chose Biden-Harris, not Trump-Pence.

Here’s to you, boys. Did you see the broken glass, the crowd roaming the halls like vandals in late Rome, the staff cowering in locked closets and barricading offices? Look on your mighty works and despair.

The price they will pay is up to their states. But the reputational cost should be harsh and high.

Again, on the president: There have been leaders before who, facing imminent downfall, decide to tear everything down with them. They want to go out surrounded by flames. Hitler, at the end, wanted to blow up Germany, its buildings and bridges. His people had let him down. Now he hated them. They must suffer. 

I have resisted Nazi comparisons for five years, for the most part easily. But that is like what is happening here, the same kind of spirit, as the president departs, as he angrily channel-surfs in his bunker. 

He is a bad man and not a stable one and he is dangerous. America is not safe in his hands. 

It is not too late. Removal of the president would be the prudent move, not the wild one. Get rid of him. Now.

 

 

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1 hour ago, UNC12345 said:

You should seek help to try to get back to the real world someway, somehow.

Their day job is hunting Big Foot. 

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1 hour ago, LiamP said:

Wow that's quite the change of tone from literally encouraging a march on the capitol, saying he'll be marching with them!

The White House Counsel briefed Dear Leader on his very real legal liability.  As I noted up the thread, IMO it's a clear cut case of reckless endangerment.  And of course, overnight a Capitol Hill police officer died--who would still be alive if it were not for the reckless actions by the President of the United States. 

Meanwhile, a video of the Trump Riot Watch Party:

The entrance to the House of Representatives, shortly after the Trump Riot Watch Party:

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Donald Trump only tweeted speech calling for peace and acknowledging end of his presidency when White House counsel Pat Cipollone told him he faces criminal charges - but he still called cop-killing supporters ‘wonderful'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9126183/Donald-Trump-tweeted-speech-calling-peace-warned-legal-risks.html

 

  • President Donald Trump initially resisted taping his video message acknowledging his election loss
  • He did so after White House counsel Pat Cipollone warned him of legal danger 
  • Justice Department said it would not rule out pursuing charges against President Trump for his possible role in encouraging the insurgents 
  • Aides describe Trump as 'psychologically fragile' 
  • 'He is alone. He is mad King George,' said one Republican 
  • The president also claimed he 'immediately called up the National Guard', despite media reporting it was Mike Pence who took control and ordered it
  • This comes after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Trump had incited 'sedition' against the United States and demanded the president's removal from office 
  • Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer issued a statement calling for swift action on the 25th Amendment while also leveling the threat of a second impeachment 
  • Both Democrat leaders called VP Mike Pence to demand Trump's removal from office - but were put on hold 
  • Joe Biden's Electoral College victory was certified by Pence at 3.41 am, ending a nearly 15-hour saga 

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Still waiting for the "Great Reveal" regarding irrefutable evidence of massive, widespread election fraud.

Methinks I recall being told that I should be sitting down when we are presented with the "Great Reveal," which would result in Trump serving a second term. 

 Now that Trump has finally acknowledged reality--that Biden will become President at noon on January 20th--are we still going go see irrefutable evidence of massive, widespread election fraud, perhaps along with irrefutable evidence of Big Foot's existence?

Incidentally, I understand that the QAnon crazies have similarly been awaiting "The Storm," when Trump would identify and arrest the satanic Democratic Party pedophile group, and reportedly the unfortunate woman who died storming the Capitol Building (erroneously thinking she was following her Dear Leader*) thought  that Wednesday would be The Storm Day. 

 

*After telling his followers that he would lead the march on Capitol Hill, Dear Leader scurried away to the White House to join the Riot Watch Party, celebrating what he and his enablers had brought about. 

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2 hours ago, Jeffrey Brown said:

The White House Counsel briefed Dear Leader on his very real legal liability.  As I noted up the thread, IMO it's a clear cut case of reckless endangerment.  And of course, overnight a Capitol Hill police officer died--who would still be alive if it were not for the reckless actions by the President of the United States. 

Meanwhile, a video of the Trump Riot Watch Party:

The entrance to the House of Representatives, shortly after the Trump Riot Watch Party:

House of Representatives .png

Whose the Tranny with Donny Trump Jnr? 

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2 hours ago, Jeffrey Brown said:

Note Peggy Noonan's reference to Hitler, in regard to his last 14 delusional days in his bunker. 

WSJ Editorial Board: Donald Trump’s Final Days

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-final-days-11610062773?mod=opinion_lead_pos1

Excerpt:

If Mr. Trump wants to avoid a second impeachment, his best path would be to take personal responsibility and resign. This would be the cleanest solution since it would immediately turn presidential duties over to Mr. Pence. And it would give Mr. Trump agency, a la Richard Nixon, over his own fate. . . .

We know an act of grace by Mr. Trump isn’t likely. In any case this week has probably finished him as a serious political figure. He has cost Republicans the House, the White House, and now the Senate. Worse, he has betrayed his loyal supporters by lying to them about the election and the ability of Congress and Mr. Pence to overturn it. He has refused to accept the basic bargain of democracy, which is to accept the result, win or lose.

It is best for everyone, himself included, if he goes away quietly.

 

Peggy Noonan (WSJ Columnist): Bring the Insurrectionists to Justice

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bring-the-insurrectionists-to-justice-11610065179?mod=opinion_lead_pos8

Excerpt:

As for the chief instigator, the president of the United States, he should be removed from office by the 25th Amendment or impeachment, whichever is faster. This, with only a week and a half to go, would be a most extraordinary action, but this has been an extraordinary time. Mike Pence is a normal American political figure; he will not have to mount a new government; he appears to be sane; he will in this brief, strange interlude do fine.

The president should be removed for reasons of justice—he urged a crowd to march on Congress, and, when it turned violent, had to be dragged into telling them, equivocally, to go home—and prudence. Mitt Romney had it exactly right: “What happened here . . . was an insurrection, incited by the president of the United States.” As for prudence, Mr. Trump is a sick, bad man and therefore, as president, a dangerous one. He has grown casually bloody-minded, nattering on about force and denouncing even his own vice president as a coward for not supporting unconstitutional measures. No one seems to be certain how Mr. Trump spends his days. He doesn’t bother to do his job. The White House is in meltdown. The only thing that captures his interest is the fact that he lost, which fills him with thoughts of vengeance.

Removing him would go some distance to restoring our reputation, reinforcing our standards, and clarifying constitutional boundaries for future presidents who might need it. . . .

To the devil’s apprentices, Sens. Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz. They are clever men, highly educated, well-credentialed, endlessly articulate. They see themselves as leading conservative lights, but in this drama they have proved themselves punks practicing punk politics. They are like people who know the value of nothing, who see no frailty around them, who inherited a great deal—an estate built by the work and wealth of others—and feel no responsibility for maintaining the foundation because pop gave them a strong house, right? They are careless inheritors of a nation, an institution, a party that previous generations built at some cost.

They backed a lie and held out the chimera of some possible Trump victory that couldn’t happen, and hid behind the pretense that they were just trying to be fair to all parties and investigate any suspicions of vote fraud, when what they were really doing was playing—coolly, with lawyerly sophistication—not to the base but to the sickness within the base. They should have stood up and told the truth, that democracy moves forward, that the election was imperfect as all elections are, and more so because of the pandemic rules, which need to be changed, but the fact is the voters of America chose Biden-Harris, not Trump-Pence.

Here’s to you, boys. Did you see the broken glass, the crowd roaming the halls like vandals in late Rome, the staff cowering in locked closets and barricading offices? Look on your mighty works and despair.

The price they will pay is up to their states. But the reputational cost should be harsh and high.

Again, on the president: There have been leaders before who, facing imminent downfall, decide to tear everything down with them. They want to go out surrounded by flames. Hitler, at the end, wanted to blow up Germany, its buildings and bridges. His people had let him down. Now he hated them. They must suffer. 

I have resisted Nazi comparisons for five years, for the most part easily. But that is like what is happening here, the same kind of spirit, as the president departs, as he angrily channel-surfs in his bunker. 

He is a bad man and not a stable one and he is dangerous. America is not safe in his hands. 

It is not too late. Removal of the president would be the prudent move, not the wild one. Get rid of him. Now.

 

 

Impeachment gives the added bonus of Trump not being able to run for a Federal office again.

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25 minutes ago, NickW said:

Whose the Tranny with Donny Trump Jnr? 

If you have a strong stomach, you can watch her presentation to the GOP Convention:

 

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Fourteen days that will test our democracy (1/1/21)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/fourteen-days-that-will-test-our-democracy/2020/12/31/7a59d6d6-4b96-11eb-a9f4-0e668b9772ba_story.html

Excerpt:

Over a span of 14 days this month, our nation’s capital will bear witness to three events that will tell us much about the state of American democracy: a joint session of Congress on Jan. 6, where electoral votes cast in December will be read and counted aloud; protests in downtown Washington scheduled for the same day; and the Jan. 20 inauguration of the president of the United States.

Day #3 of Fourteen days that will test our democracy (Wednesday’s events were Day #1):

Pelosi wants ‘unhinged’ Trump to be stripped of nuclear codes

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/pelosi-trump-riot-war-nuclear-weapons-b1784580.html

“This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike,” the speaker wrote. “The situation of this unhinged President could not be more dangerous, and we must do everything that we can to protect the American people from his unbalanced assault on our country and our democracy.”

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4 hours ago, UNC12345 said:

Wrong again Ward.  Does it get tiring?  They banned him because he continued to push false and misleading election claims in the same video.  You should seek help to try to get back to the real world someway, somehow.

Denying election fraud is participation in it. The purpose of the Capitol "storming" by invitation of Pelosi's Cap. Police was specifically to stop the presentation of election fraud and a means to smear Trump and his supporters.

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Felony Murder Rule?

Now that a police officer has died, as a result of the Trump instigated riot, I would think that the Felony Murder Rule would apply, although I don't know what the specific D.C. and Federal rules are.  Here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule

"The rule of felony murder is a legal doctrine in some common law jurisdictions that broadens the crime of murder: when an offender kills (regardless of intent to kill) in the commission of a dangerous or enumerated crime (called a felony in some jurisdictions), the offender, and also the offender's accomplices or co-conspirators, may be found guilty of murder."

I'm sure that there are countless people, especially minorities, who are serving life or long prison terms, simply because they were present when an accomplice killed someone, while committing a felony, e.g. two people break into a house, one breaks into the back door, the other one at the front door shoots and kills the homeowner.  Both burglars are guilty of murder. 

So, why wouldn't every single person that stormed the Capitol Building not be guilty of felony murder, and what about the instigators, like Trump?

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4 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

Denying election fraud is participation in it.

As more and more people accept reality about the lack of any widespread election fraud, the size of the election conspiracy must of necessity therefore increase. 

In any case, I've got my popcorn and my beer, sitting in my recliner waiting for the "Great Reveal" that will result in Trump serving a second term. 

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40 minutes ago, Jeffrey Brown said:

If you have a strong stomach, you can watch her presentation to the GOP Convention:

 

15 seconds was as much as I could cope with. 

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10 minutes ago, NickW said:

15 seconds was as much as I could cope with.

You're a better man than I Gunga Din. 

I wonder if showing this to prisoners of war would be considered a war crime?

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10 minutes ago, NickW said:

15 seconds was as much as I could cope with. 

I saw over 20 as my fumbling fingers couldn't turn it off quick enough!

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16 minutes ago, NickW said:

15 seconds was as much as I could cope with. 

She has an incredible yap on her, doesn't she?!!!

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The evidence was spilled in an Italian court in sealed proceedings. They should be available in detail at some point if they have not been obtained yet.

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2 hours ago, 0R0 said:

The purpose of the Capitol "storming" by invitation of Pelosi's Cap. Police was specifically to stop the presentation of election fraud and a means to smear Trump and his supporters.

As I'm sure you will recall, after Trump instigated an attack on Capitol Hill that was finally turned back, Trump's true believers presented their "Evidence" regarding Arizona and Pennsylvania.  How did that go?

Also, the only reason evidence was not presented regarding the other swing states was that no GOP Senator would support it. 

In any case, the premise of your assertion is that if GOP members of Congress could present their evidence of election fraud, then presumably Trump would serve a second term.  GOP members presented their information on two states and they decided not to present information on the other states. 

 

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13 hours ago, 0R0 said:

Perhaps we should be thinking along these lines

 

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I worked in the Department of Energy for 8 years...  it's obvious that the person who started the 'Deep State' conspiracy never worked for the Government. 

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12 minutes ago, Gregory1972 said:

I worked in the Department of Energy for 8 years...  it's obvious that the person who started the 'Deep State' conspiracy never worked for the Government. 

The "deep state" is ages old. Its big initiation was in the aftermath of the Civil War. Its second large surge was in the Wilson administration. And its total takeover was with FDR, culminating in the formation of the alphabet of security and investigative bureaucracies. The US has been fighting its way out of this for most of a century with the deep state gaining and being beat back alternately, in this current state, backed with the WEF conspirator's and China's money and the wholesale de-professionalization and politicization of all of these organizations by Obama. We are in a state of total usurpation of the constitution.

The Qanon conspiracy theory was proved by its early deplatforming and censorship to be more likely to be true than not. Q team head is supposedly Cohen Watnick. The pedophile ring issue is a traditional KGB blackmail operation practice updated for modern times with video and child murder to broaden the legal consequences of to the blackmailed leader being exposed. It was long rumored to have been practiced for centuries in one form or another by secret services around the globe, being done in group settings with witnesses to provide evidence now provided by video. I very much doubt the pedo ring is actually one of real pedophiles getting their kicks.

Lin Wood is claiming to have a large number of videos and encryption keys to open them distributed among many people. The Qanons supposedly had been holding back the releases because of legal limitations of classification laws and problems of access to some of the video files held within the CIA so compartmentalized as to be permanently hidden.

I am not a spook, so I can't come close to making a qualified judgement as to what portion of the Qanon story and "plan" is real and ongoing in practical terms and what portion isn't. But some of it has external evidence backing it up. The presence  composition and breadth of the "deep state" is indeed being shown to be all encompassing with few pockets of independents and very small core of resisters.
 

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