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Is the wind shifting?  Fox/Tucker seem to be leaning back again.

 

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General Graziano, Chairman of the European Union Military Committee, and a board member at Leonardo SpA was the operation coordinator. The Italian government is deep into this.

Cambridge Analytica's Alexander Nix a 2016 Trump campaign infiltrator, working for MI6. Was active in WH meetings as late as October.

 

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Holy cow!  At about the 12 minute point on the video above, Tucker announced that Fox itself is being threatened with SHUTDOWN!  And there are of course some Dem politicians that are publicly supporting the effort.  

CNN is publicly asking for support to get Fox News, a competing news company, shut down and silenced.

I'd recommend you watch the whole video because it is one of the most impactful segments I have seen Tucker do.  I'll put it here again, in case some of you missed it earlier.

 

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22 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

Holy cow!  At about the 12 minute point on the video above, Tucker announced that Fox itself is being threatened with SHUTDOWN!  And there are of course some Dem politicians that are publicly supporting the effort.  

CNN is publicly asking for support to get Fox New, a competing news company, shut down and silenced.

I'd recommend you watch the whole video because it is one of the most impactful segments I have seen Tucker do.  I'll put it here again, in case some of you missed it earlier.

 

Fox News lost half their audience already. They made their bed with the enemy on election night and for quite a while before. Now they're being bitten by the hand they thought they could feed. The kids aren't all right, they've driven daddy's companies into the ground. They thought they could turn Left and get accepted by the cool kids. Wasn't Ever going to happen. I could have told them so. That's the problem with the left, no true Scotsman. 

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2 hours ago, 0R0 said:

Audio version of prior video information on the Italian Job.

Obama embezzled 14 pallets of cash from Iran's concession money from the Iran deal of 2017 ($400 mil?) placed in various accounts provided to fund Italian PM Renzi's execution of the plan. Which was done by Leonardo. Direction was from CIA and Stefano Serafini, of the state dept. at the US embassy in Rome. Assistance from MI6.

 

They are just saying that the President will go in front of the nation tonight at 9 p.m., which I take to mean EST (New York time).

 

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So how does if feel to be bitch slapped by the hand of God. Evangelicals promised a Trump win from the creator himself. So Trump lies, the religious leaders lied and you know God must be pissed for being misrepresented. Maybe the path to heaven is blocked and terrorism not allowed. This would seem a minimum standard for the pearly gates. 

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18 minutes ago, Boat said:

So how does if feel to be bitch slapped by the hand of God. Evangelicals promised a Trump win from the creator himself. So Trump lies, the religious leaders lied and you know God must be pissed for being misrepresented. Maybe the path to heaven is blocked and terrorism not allowed. This would seem a minimum standard for the pearly gates. 

They can say what they want, but they are working on detailed evidence that they, human beings, are finding and exposing.  They wish to believe the reason they are being successful is that their god is helping them.  So be it, whatever works for them.

The test of the evidence, and of the effectiveness of these people, will be if we actually see any of this come out into the world.  A whole lot of media is off limits to anything they want to reveal, so it makes you wonder if they will be successful at doing so to the extent necessary.

Another question is whether or not the President himself has been rendered impotent, or if he can call in assistance from any of the legal branches of government (Justice, FBI, NSA, military?) to make any of it matter.  Theoretically, and in the chain of command structure, they must answer his call to enforce the laws and impart justice, but we all know the leadership of these agencies are, shall we say, of questionable character and may not be reliable perform their duties to serve their country as they took an oath to do.

I won't hold my breath and I'll believe it when I see it.  Pass the popcorn, please.

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2 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

They are just saying that the President will go in front of the nation tonight at 9 p.m., which I take to mean EST (New York time).

 

That was recorded midday Jan 6

As the chaos turned things over, then the President didn't touch on this election matter but on the Capitol fiasco.

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Matt Gaetz's speech captured in another video.

 

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7 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

That was recorded midday Jan 6

As the chaos turned things over, then the President didn't touch on this election matter but on the Capitol fiasco.

Aha, I missed that.  So the rest of what they said they were going to do also didn't happen?  Do you think, or know, if they are still going to bring the true story to the light of day?

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Here is a compelling broadcast from The Victory Channel (just under 30 minutes long):

 

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24 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

Aha, I missed that.  So the rest of what they said they were going to do also didn't happen?  Do you think, or know, if they are still going to bring the true story to the light of day?

Yes, they are continuing with the dissemination. Their first priority is to secure their people as they come back into the country and arrange for D'Elia's safety. Trump's first priority is to obtain the physical evidence and data. Which may have something to do with 2 US mil KC 10A flights Friday out of Italy to the US. Italian PM and their Intel need to be coordinated with, plus it is an ongoing trial about deliberate breach of security used as cover to divert from the election fraud part of the trial. .

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30 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

Yes, they are continuing with the dissemination. Their first priority is to secure their people as they come back into the country and arrange for D'Elia's safety. Trump's first priority is to obtain the physical evidence and data. Which may have something to do with 2 US mil KC 10A flights Friday out of Italy to the US. Italian PM and their Intel need to be coordinated with, plus it is an ongoing trial about deliberate breach of security used as cover to divert from the election fraud part of the trial. .

Great, thanks.  If you have time, could you throw a link or two up showing more of this unfolding as you describe.  I like what I see and appreciate the updates.

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I actually get a kick out of these MSM guys, in this case MSNBC, as they repeatedly call out what could have happened, what might have happened, what if this or that had happened, etc.  They show fast clipshots of small numbers of persons in small places.  I will say that in this clip is the 1st time I've seen the tragic shooting of that young lady, and I couldn't understand why the gunman inside had on what appeared to be black leather gloves.  Why was he wearing gloves?  He wasn't a uniformed officer, judging by his sleeves, which is all you can see.  The other 2 policeman on the outside of the door had already left.  That's right, in what is being shown as the gateway to the House Chamber, there were only two uniformed officers and one (presumably) guy with gloves on on the inside, and he did the shooting and then apparently fled himself.  Anyway, have a look and see how MSNBC presents things from their perspective:

 

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17 hours ago, 0R0 said:

I think the (Joint Session of Congress) issue was moot because of the information from Leonardo.

Notice how the goal posts have once again moved?

Oro’s premise was that the Congressional Republicans were prevented from presenting irrefutable evidence of election fraud that once presented would have resulted in Trump serving a second term.

When I pointed out the “evidence” was presented regarding two states and the Republicans themselves chose not to present “evidence” regarding the other states, Oro stated that this “evidence” didn’t matter any more, because they conveniently had the latest greatest alleged “evidence” du jour of election fraud, an obviously bogus “affidavit”

This is exactly analogous to an End of the World cult.  When the world doesn’t end on the predicted date, the leader receives divine inspiration that the date has been moved back to another date.

Clearly, the MAGA/QAnon guys here are cultists who refuse to accept reality, in support of a personality cult built around Dear Leader.  As such, in my opinion you guys are a clear and present ongoing danger to our democratic republic as you continue spread lies and disinformation, and in any case, it is pointless to argue with people who will not accept reality.

 

Fact check: Claims of electoral fraud in Rome, dubbed 'ItalyGate,' are baseless

https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-claims-electoral-fraud-020827880.html

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On 1/7/2021 at 10:44 AM, Jeffrey Brown said:

The unfortunate Ms. Babbit is clearly a victim of Trump's reckless incitement of a riot.  If Trump had not organized a "Be Wild" protest and explicitly encouraged a march on the Capitol Building, Ms. Babbit would be alive today. 

SOrry, Mr. Brown, your analysis is flawed.  Mrs. Babbit would be alive today if the Capitol Policeman had not fired his big cannon through a locked and barred door.  

What you see on display here is an act of brutal murder, not the first for the Capitol Police.  I put that down to management's penchant for recruiting from combat troops returning from the Middle East - which, let's face it, is and was a free-fire zone.  When you take those men and put them in some uniform and hand them a gun in the Capitol, then don't be surprised when they start blasting at civilians.  They were doing that over in Iraq, also, let us not forget. 

Mrs. Babbit is a homicide victim. Try hiring a better quality of policeman instead. The penchant for violence of the current corps of Capitol Police is nothing to be proud of.

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2 hours ago, Jeffrey Brown said:

Notice how the goal posts have once again moved?

Oro’s premise was that the Congressional Republicans were prevented from presenting irrefutable evidence of election fraud that once presented would have resulted in Trump serving a second term.

When I pointed out the “evidence” was presented regarding two states and the Republicans themselves chose not to present “evidence” regarding the other states, Oro stated that this “evidence” didn’t matter any more, because they conveniently had the latest greatest alleged “evidence” du jour of election fraud, an obviously bogus “affidavit”

This is exactly analogous to an End of the World cult.  When the world doesn’t end on the predicted date, the leader receives divine inspiration that the date has been moved back to another date.

Clearly, the MAGA/QAnon guys here are cultists who refuse to accept reality, in support of a personality cult built around Dear Leader.  As such, in my opinion you guys are a clear and present ongoing danger to our democratic republic as you continue spread lies and disinformation, and in any case, it is pointless to argue with people who will not accept reality.

 

Fact check: Claims of electoral fraud in Rome, dubbed 'ItalyGate,' are baseless

https://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-claims-electoral-fraud-020827880.html

At this point, I can't know with certainty that D'Elia's affidavit and what he conveyed at court in Italy and by interview to the investigators is true. But his claim of having backed up data and logs available would tell the truth of the matter when they are either published or put into a process of discovery.

As to "fact checkers" I disregard them as the routine decision outcomes do not match the facts they rely on, and most often are a matter of semantics. They are unprofessional, non factual, political, authoritarian (meaning that truth is what an "authority" said it was) and thus unworthy of consideration nor reference.

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1 hour ago, Jan van Eck said:

SOrry, Mr. Brown, your analysis is flawed.  Mrs. Babbit would be alive today if the Capitol Policeman had not fired his big cannon through a locked and barred door.  

What you see on display here is an act of brutal murder, not the first for the Capitol Police.  I put that down to management's penchant for recruiting from combat troops returning from the Middle East - which, let's face it, is and was a free-fire zone.  When you take those men and put them in some uniform and hand them a gun in the Capitol, then don't be surprised when they start blasting at civilians.  They were doing that over in Iraq, also, let us not forget. 

Mrs. Babbit is a homicide victim. Try hiring a better quality of policeman instead. The penchant for violence of the current corps of Capitol Police is nothing to be proud of.

Unfortunately, Ms. Babbit became a domestic terrorist the moment she stormed the bulwark of one of America's most hallowed buildings--especially during a Joint Session of Congress for purposes of codifying a contentious election. She joined a large, bad-looking group of domestic terrorists, knowingly, having purportedly tweeted: "Nothing will stop us . . . they can try and try but the storm is here and is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours . . . darkness to light."

Job-1: Thank you for your 14-year service in the U.S. armed forces, Ms. Babbit, and may you rest in peace. Job-2: What were you thinking, ma'am, participating in an insurrection against the last remaining pillar of our democracy?

An insurrection is not a peaceful protest: it implies violence by the unique nature of its definition. Insurrectionists are not peaceful protestors: they have joined a violent group with intention of destruction. Confederate flags were paraded through our capitol. Our boys in blue fought that war 150 years ago and here you go, a veteran joining up with the Confederacy? What were you thinking, our dear lost Ms. Babbit?

The Capitol Police were at liberty to shoot the lot of them: the minute they broke in changed the nature of the movement from peaceful protest to insurrection--a federal offense. This thing was poised on a knife edge--we could just as easily be looking back on dozens of deaths, not this few, tragic though it is. 

Because of inciting an insurrection upon the very political body counting votes against his favor, the president also committed a federal crime. As usual, America's political ruling class went soft in the head and soft in the knees: the president should have been relieved of his duties within the hour. The "most constitutional" fix would have occurred if VP Pence had called the Cabinet, signed his name first to Section 25, and then asked each Cabinet secretary to do the same. It's quick. It's done. It's over . . . and the world would have applauded respectfully. Next best would have been a ten-minute drawing up of Articles of Impeachment, ratified by the very body counting the votes and taken to trial by the Senate, right on the spot, roll call. It would be over. Again, the watching world would have sighed in relief. 

This is looking sooooo Nixonian: oh, let him resign, get on the plane, wave to the people, and here's a soft in the head Gerald Ford to issue a pardon. We can't allow the Constitution to be stretched beyond its limits yet again . . . and that seems to always happen when a president misbehaves. I'm not sure we've ever had a president misbehave like this one: this is beyond the pale and he was quite possibly complicit in these deaths. Folks, get outraged all you wish, rail against this, pick it to pieces if you must. But the fact remains that a very nasty crowd--carrying objects of derision (Confederate flag) and those for forceful entry (bars and tools)--descended upon Washington DC by the tweeted-out invitation of the president and then he had the lack of judgment to go out and stir them up with his rhetoric. That's what you call inciting a riot, and since it was a riot upon the government, you have to call it an insurrection. Pure and simple.

Sorry. Ms. Babbit deserves our thoughts and prayers and gratitude for her service to her country, but for participating in an insurrection she got exactly what I would have expected had I gone through those doors. On the contrary to most remarks out there, I believe the Capitol Police showed amazing restraint, and every one of them should receive a commendation for not actually doing their sworn duty to prevent forceful entry by a mob of political terrorists. As it happens, one shooting death was enough to squelch the blood-thirst of a bunch of wannabe tough guys, really just a large collection of America's punks. 

And with this, I think I'll even stop reading the posts. I have a fault of saying precisely what I feel, and I have a distinct feeling that my viewpoint may not be popular. 😊

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40 minutes ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

Because of inciting an insurrection upon the very political body counting votes against his favor, the president also committed a federal crime. As usual, America's political ruling class went soft in the head and soft in the knees: the president should have been relieved of his duties within the hour. The "most constitutional" fix would have occurred if VP Pence had called the Cabinet, signed his name first to Section 25, and then asked each Cabinet secretary to do the same. It's quick. It's done. It's over . . . and the world would have applauded respectfully. Next best would have been a ten-minute drawing up of Articles of Impeachment, ratified by the very body counting the votes and taken to trial by the Senate, right on the spot, roll call. It would be over. Again, the watching world would have sighed in relief. 

 

I don't see where your insurrection idea comes from. It was not Trump's expression at all that his supporters breach the Capitol. It was obvious that they were called on to demonstrate in front of the Capitol.

It was the Capitol Police that opened the barricades and invited people in. The vanguard of the "demonstrators" coming in was Antifa/BLM that were dressed in Trumpist drag having been bused in under police escort. They were there by invitation, Nancy Pelosi's scheme to blow the evidence presentation. 

Videos from the start of the "breach" show Capitol police loitering about aimlessly as people wandered into the Capitol unchallenged. Protest "leaders" called in the "protesters" from behind the Police line as Police removed the barricades and moved aside. 

Not to say that any of that was proper, but it was not the insurrection you have been presented with on TV. That was an illegal but staged event. Staged by Pelosi and having MSM media prepared at the entrances and great hall to take great videos that show people sauntering about and carefully walking between the ropes like tourists. A false flag psyop. 

BTW, the spook rumor mill has 20-25 laptops recovered by DIA and several email downloads, thus obtaining evidence that would otherwise not be available by subpoena. Mostly of the leadership.

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Pre-Nazi Germany tells us the fight to save American democracy is just beginning

Stopping an attempted insurrection is only a start

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/01/09/pre-nazi-germany-tells-us-fight-save-american-democracy-is-just-beginning/

A mob of several thousand outraged people rampaged through the streets of the city after a long rambling speech by their leader inciting them to do so. Some used violence. Windows were broken, shots were heard, there was bloodshed. The leader of the pack demanded the political swamp be drained. After a tumultuous few hours, order was restored and elected officials emerged from their hiding places.

No, this is not Washington, D.C., Jan. 6, 2021. This was Munich, Nov. 8, 1923. The instigators did not come to Munich to support a president who was voted out of office. They did not gather in front of the nation’s seat of power, but rather started their rally in a beer cellar where a young Adolf Hitler seized control after silencing the politicians and the crowd assembled there with a pistol shot to the ceiling. Obviously, the circumstances surrounding the storming of the U.S. Capitol are very different from those of the Munich Beer Hall Putsch. But Germany during the 1920s offers crucial lessons for us today about how democracies become imperiled.

Germany’s democracy was young, but the majority of the population stood behind it in the early 1920s. Yet, humiliated by defeat in World War I and plagued by an unprecedented economic crisis, a growing minority resorted to lies and conspiracy theories, such as the stab-in-the-back myth, which blamed scapegoats like Jews and socialists rather than the military for losing the war. . . .

What at first blush looked like a failed coup proved successful in the long run because of a justice system that was blind in its right eye and conservative political leaders who fueled the myths that Hitler had tapped into, planted the seeds of political polarization and discredited the legitimacy of elected officials. These leaders were also convinced that they could use Hitler and his mass movement as a vehicle to stay in power, even though they despised him and looked down on him as an upstart. His vice-chancellor, Franz von Papen of the Catholic Center Party, famously claimed he and his moderate cabinet members would keep Hitler and his Nazi troops in check. Von Papen lost this game and so did all the other enablers who made Hitler’s rise possible. But they didn’t decisively move to squelch his movement during the 1920s when they had the opportunity.

This history highlights how the real risk to American democracy came hours after order had been restored in the U.S. Capitol when seven U.S. senators and 138 members of the House of Representatives voted to sustain an objection to Pennsylvania’s electoral votes, giving credence to the lies that nourished the mob’s anger. Further to date, Vice President Pence and members of the cabinet have stood by without invoking the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from power. By doing so, they enable the president — who initially doubled down on lies about the election in subsequent videos and tweets — to cause additional harm to the nation, including his ability to pardon more of his supporters and spread more lies. Even many of those Republican elected officials who during the last days of this presidency have distanced themselves or expressed disgust with the president’s deeds, only a few weeks ago fought to keep him in office for another four years.

The historical example of Germany is often, perhaps too often, invoked. But rarely has it been so close to our reality as it is today. Germany was at a political crossroads in the 1920s. It could have remained a vibrant democracy, but for many reasons it became a dictatorship. The United States, with its long democratic tradition stands on much firmer ground, but since Jan. 6, we can no longer ignore the abyss that has opened up before us. As in Germany, here too, responsibility for the situation lies with those who either passively stood by or those who actively enabled the rise of a political monster.

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4 minutes ago, Jeffrey Brown said:

Pre-Nazi Germany tells us the fight to save American democracy is just beginning

Stopping an attempted insurrection is only a start

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/01/09/pre-nazi-germany-tells-us-fight-save-american-democracy-is-just-beginning/

A mob of several thousand outraged people rampaged through the streets of the city after a long rambling speech by their leader inciting them to do so. Some used violence. Windows were broken, shots were heard, there was bloodshed. The leader of the pack demanded the political swamp be drained. After a tumultuous few hours, order was restored and elected officials emerged from their hiding places.

No, this is not Washington, D.C., Jan. 6, 2021. This was Munich, Nov. 8, 1923. The instigators did not come to Munich to support a president who was voted out of office. They did not gather in front of the nation’s seat of power, but rather started their rally in a beer cellar where a young Adolf Hitler seized control after silencing the politicians and the crowd assembled there with a pistol shot to the ceiling. Obviously, the circumstances surrounding the storming of the U.S. Capitol are very different from those of the Munich Beer Hall Putsch. But Germany during the 1920s offers crucial lessons for us today about how democracies become imperiled.

Germany’s democracy was young, but the majority of the population stood behind it in the early 1920s. Yet, humiliated by defeat in World War I and plagued by an unprecedented economic crisis, a growing minority resorted to lies and conspiracy theories, such as the stab-in-the-back myth, which blamed scapegoats like Jews and socialists rather than the military for losing the war. . . .

What at first blush looked like a failed coup proved successful in the long run because of a justice system that was blind in its right eye and conservative political leaders who fueled the myths that Hitler had tapped into, planted the seeds of political polarization and discredited the legitimacy of elected officials. These leaders were also convinced that they could use Hitler and his mass movement as a vehicle to stay in power, even though they despised him and looked down on him as an upstart. His vice-chancellor, Franz von Papen of the Catholic Center Party, famously claimed he and his moderate cabinet members would keep Hitler and his Nazi troops in check. Von Papen lost this game and so did all the other enablers who made Hitler’s rise possible. But they didn’t decisively move to squelch his movement during the 1920s when they had the opportunity.

This history highlights how the real risk to American democracy came hours after order had been restored in the U.S. Capitol when seven U.S. senators and 138 members of the House of Representatives voted to sustain an objection to Pennsylvania’s electoral votes, giving credence to the lies that nourished the mob’s anger. Further to date, Vice President Pence and members of the cabinet have stood by without invoking the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from power. By doing so, they enable the president — who initially doubled down on lies about the election in subsequent videos and tweets — to cause additional harm to the nation, including his ability to pardon more of his supporters and spread more lies. Even many of those Republican elected officials who during the last days of this presidency have distanced themselves or expressed disgust with the president’s deeds, only a few weeks ago fought to keep him in office for another four years.

The historical example of Germany is often, perhaps too often, invoked. But rarely has it been so close to our reality as it is today. Germany was at a political crossroads in the 1920s. It could have remained a vibrant democracy, but for many reasons it became a dictatorship. The United States, with its long democratic tradition stands on much firmer ground, but since Jan. 6, we can no longer ignore the abyss that has opened up before us. As in Germany, here too, responsibility for the situation lies with those who either passively stood by or those who actively enabled the rise of a political monster.

Some highly intelligent conversation might be taking place and you bring the dribble in?

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1 hour ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

Unfortunately, Ms. Babbit became a domestic terrorist the moment she stormed the bulwark of one of America's most hallowed buildings--especially during a Joint Session of Congress for purposes of codifying a contentious election

As noted up the thread, after the death of the police officer, IMO virtually everyone who invaded the Capitol Building should be charged with felony murder, which is a first degree murder charge.  

There are a lot of folks, especially minorities, who are serving long prison sentences, and some have been executed, who participated in a felony but were convicted of felony murder because their accomplice killed someone during the commission of the felony.  A classic example is one burglar breaking into the back door and one into the front door of a house. The guy at the front door shoots and kills the homeowner.  The back door guy had nothing to do with the shooting, but he is convicted of felony murder. 

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Just now, Eyes Wide Open said:

Some highly intelligent conversation might be taking place and you bring the dribble in?

Pretty much the comment that one would expect from the Neo-Nazi crowd.   

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3 minutes ago, Jeffrey Brown said:

The historical example of Germany is often, perhaps too often, invoked. But rarely has it been so close to our reality as it is today. Germany was at a political crossroads in the 1920s. It could have remained a vibrant democracy, but for many reasons it became a dictatorship. The United States, with its long democratic tradition stands on much firmer ground, but since Jan. 6, we can no longer ignore the abyss that has opened up before us. As in Germany, here too, responsibility for the situation lies with those who either passively stood by or those who actively enabled the rise of a political monster.

It was similar to what both sides are appearing to do. But the modern equivalent is a color revolution where the country is split in two, not so much along political lines but as a power grab of an establishment occupying the leadership of both sides and trying to eliminate the popular movement that challenges them.

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18 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

It was similar to what both sides are appearing to do. But the modern equivalent is a color revolution where the country is split in two, not so much along political lines but as a power grab of an establishment occupying the leadership of both sides and trying to eliminate the popular movement that challenges them.

You are quite correct in color power grab. Portland would be a very good example, the city and state has a very small African American population, yet is was a regional epicenter for the BLM movement. Now that the election is over they BLM & Antifa are being kicked to the curb. Wheeler cannot get them out of the city fast enough. Jo Ann Hardestry a known antifa supporter and city council member has been moved to the position of a bus mgr...

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/portlandcityoregon/AGE295219

White alone, percent  77.4%
Black or African American alone, percent(a)  5.8%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent(a)  0.8%
Asian alone, percent(a)  8.2%
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