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3 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

^^^ That is one of your best, Jan.  Nailed it, as they say.

I do want you to know how deeply saddened I am to have to write that.  That the society cannot even structure itself to share the vast wealth, even some tiny crumbs, with the ordinary folks that work so hard for so little, is just gut-wrenching. 

I am devoting the remaining years of my life to demonstrating that capitalism can work for everybody, all it takes is basic decency and consideration for others - what we previously took for granted as our Christian obligation.   Not everyone is born with my talents.  I get down on my knees and give thanks to God that I have been granted His blessings and the brainpower and talent to make a big difference.  Down on my knees.  

Wall Street  (and the DC Democrats) have lost the ability to be humble before God. 

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8 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Good old Enthalpic, always wrong always posting anyway. Trying to conflate at most breaking and entering with being "violent". But yeah, that's what your side is, and projection is your middle name. The boxes prior to "ammo" are there to keep society civil. As a Canadian this is clearly an alien concept to you. 

"Looters will be shot on site" protected a lot of property for centuries, but yeah, now you're supposed to play sheep and watch as your property is destroyed. Good luck recovering anything from insurance. They have 8 ways from Sunday to screw you over. Not your problem, you don't own enough to worry. 

My friend just went to a "travelogue" of people who were there. They've got more than enough exculpatory evidence to remove people from criminal suspicion. That hasn't stopped deep State from putting people on no fly lists just for going to DC. 

I was not addressing you.

As for that "always wrong" comment perhaps read the election threads from the beginning.   I have fresh eyes and see that there have been plenty of wrong predictions from popular old members.

 

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Sen. Ben Sasse:  QAnon Is Destroying the GOP From Within
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/conspiracy-theories-will-doom-republican-party/617707/

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Eugene goodman is an American hero. At a pivotal moment on January 6, the veteran United States Capitol Police officer single-handedly prevented untold bloodshed. Staring down an angry, advancing mob, he retreated up a marble staircase, calmly wielding his baton to delay his pursuers while calling out their position to his fellow officers. At the top of the steps, still alone and standing just a few yards from the chamber where senators and Vice President Mike Pence had been certifying the Electoral College’s vote, Goodman strategically lured dozens of the mayhem-minded away from an unguarded door to the Senate floor.

The leader of that flank of the mob, later identified by the FBI as Douglas Jensen, wore a T-shirt emblazoned with a red-white-and-blue Q—the insignia of the delusional QAnon conspiracy theory. Its supporters believe that a righteous Donald Trump is leading them in a historic quest to expose the U.S. government’s capture by a global network of cannibalistic pedophiles: not just “deep state” actors in the intelligence community, but Chief Justice John Roberts and a dozen-plus senators, including me. Now Trump’s own vice president is supposedly in on it, too. According to the FBI, Jensen “wanted to have his T-shirt seen on video so that ‘Q’ could ‘get the credit.’”

January 6 is a new red-letter day in U.S. history, not just because it was the first time that the Capitol had been ransacked since the War of 1812, but because a subset of the invaders apparently were attempting to disrupt a constitutionally mandated meeting of the Congress, kidnap the vice president, and somehow force him to declare Trump the victor in an election he lost. En route, the mob ultimately injured scores of law-enforcement officers. The attack led to the deaths of two officers and four other Americans. But the toll could have been much worse: Police located pipe bombs at the headquarters of both the Republican and Democratic National Committees. Investigators discovered a vehicle fully loaded with weaponry and what prosecutors are calling “homemade napalm bombs.”

The violence that Americans witnessed—and that might recur in the coming days—is not a protest gone awry or the work of “a few bad apples.” It is the blossoming of a rotten seed that took root in the Republican Party some time ago and has been nourished by treachery, poor political judgment, and cowardice. When Trump leaves office, my party faces a choice: We can dedicate ourselves to defending the Constitution and perpetuating our best American institutions and traditions, or we can be a party of conspiracy theories, cable-news fantasies, and the ruin that comes with them. We can be the party of Eisenhower, or the party of the conspiracist Alex Jones. We can applaud Officer Goodman or side with the mob he outwitted. We cannot do both.

If and when the House sends its article of impeachment against Trump to the Senate, I will be a juror in his trial, and thus what I can say in advance is limited. But no matter what happens in that trial, the Republican Party faces a separate reckoning. Until last week, many party leaders and consultants thought they could preach the Constitution while winking at QAnon. They can’t. The GOP must reject conspiracy theories or be consumed by them. Now is the time to decide what this party is about.

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After White House Meeting with Trump, Mike Lindell Calls for Military Coup on Facebook
https://thebulwark.com/after-white-house-meeting-with-trump-mike-lindell-calls-for-military-coup-on-facebook/

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Following his meeting with President Trump on Friday, MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell said in a Facebook interview with Right Side Broadcasting News today that he’s praying that the military presence in Washington is part of Trump’s plan to retain power.

In Lindell’s interview—which has garnered hundreds of thousands of views on Facebook in just a few hours—he recounts the details of his meeting with the president and rattles off a series of unintelligible conspiracies in a Minnesota lilt. . . .

Two things:

(1) Are you surprised that the president of the United States would have a total crank like Lindell invited into the White House in the waning days of his term? At the same moment that he and his allies are bleating to the Democrats about how responsible they are for unity and decreasing tensions?

Of course not.

And the fact that you are not surprised is simply another data point in how far outside the norm this presidency has been.

(2) Ten days ago the president of the United States incited an insurrection: He summoned a mob to Washington and then exhorted it to storm the Capitol, disrupt Congress’s attempt to count the electoral votes, and overturn the election.

Now he invites a man to the White House who claims to have proof of The Big Lie that led to the attack and has the national security advisor meet with this person?

This attack on our country might be farcical. It might feel like a B-list Fargo rip-off.

But this attack is deadly serious and it is ongoing.

The president’s most recent White House guest told us as much on Facebook, while the vice president and the Republican Senate are M.I.A.
 

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10 hours ago, 0R0 said:

Col. Waldron claims 65 separate countries had a hand in election interference in one way or another.

Got it. Dozens of countries conspired to increase the number of Republicans elected to the House, but to hand the Presidency to the Democrats.  

I dunno.  One still has to wonder if most of you yahoos are being paid by Democratic Party operatives to make Republicans look ridiculous 

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Just catching up today...

So here on an oil and gas forum, where the majority are well educated, well read and well spoken, we are genuinely and unironically entertaining the idea that Biden's administration is going to be arrested by the US military the instant he is inaugurated, while Chinese troops are going to invade the US through Mexico and Canada??

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10 minutes ago, LiamP said:

So here on an oil and gas forum, where the majority are well educated, well read and well spoken, we are genuinely and unironically entertaining the idea that Biden's administration is going to be arrested by the US military the instant he is inaugurated, while Chinese troops are going to invade the US through Mexico and Canada??

And there is the little problem that the US Justice Department's position is that a sitting President can't be criminally indicted, but Trump Kool-Aid drinkers tend not to let facts get in the way of their constantly changing conspiracy theories du jour. 

BTW, I thought that this was an interesting point:

 

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And some support for charging the insurrectionists with felony murder:

 

 

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8 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

So, I predict that the Dems just might be able to disbar Mr. Trump from office, but another Peronista will rise from the disenchanted, and that person will again lead the disaffected into another term of conflict politics.  And the cycle will repeat until the moneyed class finally smartens up and recognizes that they cannot hide behind gated communities and walls in the Hamptons, eventually the dispossessed will find their Robespierre and then come after them with pitchforks.   So far, absolutely nothing is resolved. 

JvE, would you mind clarifying your usage of the term "Peronista", seems rather nebulous to me.  I am not sure you could find two Argentinians who would agree on what the term means.  Peronist politicians have stood for nearly everything from the encouragement of populist rent seeking to privatization of state run companies and utilities.

 

       good to see you back,

              waltz

 

      hoping Gerry Maddoux sticks around as well.

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11 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Even a blind pig can see something is wrong with this country right now.

With everything going on concerning the presidential situation these days, you would think the USA is built over an ancient indian burial ground.

OH, Wait...

 

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22 minutes ago, turbguy said:

With everything going on concerning the presidential situation these days, you would think the USA is built over an ancient indian burial ground.

OH, Wait...

 

Well, you of course know the horned guy in the Capitol building, right?

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And then, about the Indians:

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Interesting resemblance?

Who knows what goes through the first man's mind, if he has one left.  Might be peyote?  Might be peyote combined with church:

Tripping on Peyote in Navajo Nation

A journalist exploring psychedelics’ therapeutic potential participates in a ceremony of the Native American Church

 

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Vis a vis capitalism and inequality between the worker bee and the queen bee, look no farther than what would be the glitziest extravaganza ever, were it not for the pandemic. While Wall Street has showered the Democrats with money and Big Tech controlled the narrative going out to the people, Hollywood has slipped Freudian references into every half-bit movie made for the 24/7 that has become prime time during this prolonged viremia that has hit the country. Taken together, this has been no less than a gargantuan propaganda blitz. 

The question is why.

I don't personally believe for a minute this hackneyed phrase, "systemic racism." As a finger-pointer it is second only to, "follow the science." Indeed, a whole new lexicon has been introduced as reverential talking points of this unusual time, and there is a brand-new troika of Magi in town--bearing gifts, but for whom. Not Jesus this time, that's for sure.

It has been said that there is no greater way to infuriate a working man than to make him subservient to a handout: living off his wife is a good example. Americans want to work. They need to work. The lockdowns and mandates coming fast and furious from Uncle Joe, coupled with his largesse, will likely conspire to make him the most hated man in America . . . but it will take time. Unfortunately, the divide between the haves and the have-nots will likely grow, because of a seemingly diminutive but actually powerful tool called the velocity of money. Equities, already like a rocket-ship, will exhaust their last propulsion from the "stimulus." That money will wind up ultimately with Wall Street. The velocity will be one-way, because when the stock market finally corrects it's going to be a vast explosion that consumes billions. 

And then we start over: they call it the Great Reset. 

But that epiphenomenon will likely be socialism dressed in blue. And it will take a very long time to root it out, because now the deck is stacked. There is very little to prevent congressional approval on almost any package that's not smoking or stinking. Puerto Rico will likely be brought in as a state--a very poor one--but the important thing to the new Captains of the Universe is that it will supply a dozen representatives and two new senators all voting the party line. The District of Columbia will be trickier because it was long ago designated the "Capitol City."

Then there's the matter of reparations--it has an obvious starting point but no definable finish line. There are an awful lot of third and fourth-generation descendants from slaves, but an awful lot of black people in America who are not descendants of slaves--they can't reasonably be separated, nor will there be much of an effort to do so. The state of California--which was never a slave state--has been quietly studying reparations for the past six months. They're also studying "reparations" by Big Oil to the "people of the land" for "ruining the planet." But the Big One is yet to come. Indigenous Peoples were here first--see turbguy's comment above about the USA being built on an ancient burial ground. No lesser Republican-selected Supreme Court justice than Neil Gorsuch researched and wrote the majority opinion that basically gave ownership of one-half of Oklahoma back to the Creek Nation. With hundreds of tribes everywhere, reparations are going to break the bank. 

But whose bank? 

Not Wall Street's. Since Wall Street is said by the Wise Men to be "forward-looking," there has been a secular rotation occurring for some time. To find that the Dominion Voting Machines skewed the vote would have been disastrous to Wall Street--the new paradigm is renewables . . . we're on our way to the Jetson's. You want a discussion about dislocation and disenfranchisement of workers, remove as much use of fossil fuels as you can, have robots making solar panels and windmills and EV's, put the country on the dole with guaranteed income, then cover the diabetes, heart disease, stroke and obesity that results from "Sitting Disease," and see what we devolve into as a country. 

This is all coming.

What Mr. Biden and Ms. Harris--mere puppets for the Obamas-Behind-the-Curtain--have cooked up may sound pretty, but spread them out on the groaning table and their largess will look and smell and taste exactly like socialism. When you add in violence--which both sides have now discovered (though the looting and rioting and thievery of summer would win that contest)--then it becomes nothing more than Bolshevism, made in America. 

The political pendulum never works like a metronome, you see. It went a bit too far to the right, what with the Wall, the tariffs on structural steel and soybeans, the bans on almost all Muslim immigration. The pendulum took a mighty lurch to the left. We're going to play out of key for the next few years.

 

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4 hours ago, Jeffrey Brown said:

And there is the little problem that the US Justice Department's position is that a sitting President can't be criminally indicted, but Trump Kool-Aid drinkers tend not to let facts get in the way of their constantly changing conspiracy theories du jour. 

BTW, I thought that this was an interesting point:

 

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An example of false logic, because the assumption that a the infiltrators ' goal is to change the outcome of an election is false. Their goals is to incite the hot heads to do stupid things aka judas goat,  the goal is to create chaos to shorten the process of showing election frauds in congress and make a bad public image for the Trump supporters. There is no left or right here, simply middle class. Did the big tech or wall street bosses join the march for the "Right"? 

Majority of people in that protests are using their own money & time for the trip to the Capitol to protest so congressman can vote with their consciences. Else why should they bring their kids with them?. Not people who sleep at days and go raiding at nights. 

And unlike Trump, Majority of lifetime career politicians are rich because they are politicians. And they are fighting for equality? How about donate their salary to the country that they are serving. In History I have never seen any good outcomes of politicians fought for equality or the "left". Martin luther king jr was not a politician but a Baptist minister and activist. Lincoln fought in the civil war because he thought it is the best solution for the country, not because of race equality:

https://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation#:~:text=Though Lincoln saw himself as,over the most committed abolitionists.

Trump gave 4 years of his billionaires life for the countries. What did the 47 years professional politician like Biden sacrifice for  the country? His son's reputation? 

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4 hours ago, waltz said:

JvE, would you mind clarifying your usage of the term "Peronista", seems rather nebulous to me.

Intended merely as shorthand for "populism" in the context of politics.  

While it is certainly true that Argentinean politics has included a vst cornucopia of policy decisions (such as you cite), the underlying thematic component is that they are based on a political ideology of populism, where a nativist approach to the country and its relations with its neighbors is the predominant feature.  Juan Peron tapped into the feelings of powerlessness of the ordinary people, just as did Mr. Trump.  Mr. Peron brought in economic policies that superficially would advance the lot of the poorer and the effectively disenfranchised at the expense of the (richer) political and economic class.  He did this with all kinds of policy instruments, including borrowing heavily in the US-dollar bond market, and when the Argentine peso collapsed, he repudiated that debt.  Argentina has done that a number of times. 

Moving past the above shorthand, it does open up the interesting question as to how the USA is now going to "repay" its vast debts, which incidentally the Federal reserve keeps manageable by simply driving the Fed discount rate to effectively zero  (some countries in Europe have actually gone to a negative rate, where you pay money for them to take it from you.  An interesting concept.). Arguments are made that the Fed can do this indefinitely, effectively with the Treasury never repaying the principal, and allowing it to slowly inflate away.  For current holders of T-bills, such as the Chinese, that has been a lousy investment, returning less than 2% annually. I anticipate it will have to go to a negative rate, there are now just too many trillions out there.  Meredith Poor has raised these questions in another thread on this Forum.

Historical note:  Back in the GWBush days, a fellow who was the CEO of ALCOA Aluminum was brought in as Treasury Secretary.  Highly competent, he first did a "net present value" analysis of the US Government, an accounting mechanism wherein all future revenues, and all future debts, are brought back to current values.  He found that the US was totally, utterly bankrupt.  He brought the analysis to George Bush and Dick Cheney, and Cheney dismissed it with the flippant comment "Deficits don't matter.  Who cares?"   Cheney then sent a memo to the Treasury Secretary saying he was fired.  The Secretary packed his bags that night and took the Amtrak back to Pittsburgh, without saying goodbye. 

So much for attracting bright guys into the Administration. 

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4 hours ago, Jeffrey Brown said:

And there is the little problem that the US Justice Department's position is that a sitting President can't be criminally indicted, but Trump Kool-Aid drinkers tend not to let facts get in the way of their constantly changing conspiracy theories du jour. 

BTW, I thought that this was an interesting point:

 

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You just don't get it. Not because it's a difficult concept, but because you're either willfully ignorant or just another tool. The jury is out on which, maybe because you're both.

The plan on the 6th was for evidence to be presented in Congress, evidence that the courts refused to hear. The "riot", which was planned, orchestrated and funded by the left using fake Trump supporters who were gathering at the Capitol building an hour before the speech was even finished was to guarantee that evidence couldn't be heard. It isn't even up for dispute, John Sullivan is merely the most famous of the false supporters, he was A leader but not THE leader. 

Now let's take this a step further. Kamala still hasn't resigned her Senate seat. Every gala event that surrounds a new inauguration has been cancelled. For "the most popular President of all time" this is beyond suspicious. The inauguration itself is cancelled, the Biden coronation is in front of nothing but military. Without the excuse of "unrest" the most popular presidential candidate of all time" would have had to face the embarrassing vista of hundreds of lethargic "supporters" where Trump garnered hundreds of thousands. 

Face it, Biden and Harris sure aren't acting like they won. 

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2 committed Republicans die and go to heaven.
 
They ask God if He would answer one question.
 
"OF COURSE" God says.
 
They ask "How did the Democrats rig the election in 2020"?
 
"IT WAS NOT RIGGED" God replied.
 
The Republicans look at one another and say:
 
 
 
 
 
"This conspiracy goes MUCH higher than we thought!"
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On 1/13/2021 at 6:52 AM, Eyes Wide Open said:

I had almost forgotten Ron White, I wonder how he would play in the man bun crowd.

As in all humor takeaways are inevitable. With that being said after 12 yrs ive finally stumble upon a appropriate handle for Pelosi. I am pleased with myself, that was a long time in the making.

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                    FORHORN!

 

 

 

 

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You'll like this. Its from Spitting Image (UK comedy)

(23) Nancy Pelosi Can't Stop Pandering | Spitting Image - YouTube

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1 hour ago, Jan van Eck said:

Intended merely as shorthand for "populism" in the context of politics.  

While it is certainly true that Argentinean politics has included a vst cornucopia of policy decisions (such as you cite), the underlying thematic component is that they are based on a political ideology of populism, where a nativist approach to the country and its relations with its neighbors is the predominant feature.  Juan Peron tapped into the feelings of powerlessness of the ordinary people, just as did Mr. Trump.  Mr. Peron brought in economic policies that superficially would advance the lot of the poorer and the effectively disenfranchised at the expense of the (richer) political and economic class.  He did this with all kinds of policy instruments, including borrowing heavily in the US-dollar bond market, and when the Argentine peso collapsed, he repudiated that debt.  Argentina has done that a number of times. 

 

This is exactly the problem, the policies enacted by populists lead to disaster to the economy.  Argentina is in the mist of defaulting yet again, for at least the ninth time I believe.  The policies that the US seems on the brink of enacting will have the same affect, socialism clearly will not work either.  I leave you with two links that exemplify the problems that Peronism have wrought on Argentina.

 

https://www.americasquarterly.org/article/after-the-default-argentinas-unsustainable-20-80-economy/

 

https://www.americasquarterly.org/article/the-closing-of-an-airport-as-a-symbol-of-argentinas-troubles/

 

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16 minutes ago, waltz said:

This is exactly the problem, the policies enacted by populists lead to disaster to the economy

Thank you for the links to Americas Quarterly, a magazine that I try to keep up with and has great insight articles (and I heartily recommend to readers here). 

The Peronista policies themselves do not inexorably lead to ruin.  What does is the commandeering of policies to feed wealth transfers from the poorer to the rich elites, which the writers term "rents."   The policies of Mr. Trump did have rent components, but also the institution of tariff barriers (although I think quota barriers would have been the better policy) brought industrial opportunity back to shuttered plants. 

For example, there is the big aluminum smelter operation in New Madrid, Missouri.  The entire US aluminum industry was on the verge of total collapse, with every single plant to be shuttered permanently, due to avaricious dumping from the 800-lb gorilla, China  (and also with steel).  It was not the production from Canada, as that product had (other than electricity) similar cost profiles to that of the USA, with the exchange rate being the determinant of Canadian profitability in its exports to US buyers. But if you are facing a situation where 100% of domestic production of an industrial metal is going to be lost, then Peronista policies of import tariffs make a lot of sense.  New madrid is up and running and the 500 employees owe their jobs to Mr. Trump. 

The Argentine problems stem from the policy of paying economic rents to the elites.  Trump did a little of that, it is inevitable in a structure where K Street has so much sway, but then again the steel and aluminum tariffs did jump-start shuttered US plants.  Give the man credit for that, at least. 

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Goodbye Orange Clown.  As you have figured out few like you except for the crazies in your cult.  Good riddance and good luck in court (not)!!

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1 hour ago, turbguy said:
2 committed Republicans die and go to heaven.
 
They ask God if He would answer one question.
 
"OF COURSE" God says.
 
They ask "How did the Democrats rig the election in 2020"?
 
"IT WAS NOT RIGGED" God replied.
 
The Republicans look at one another and say:
 
 
 
 
 
"This conspiracy goes MUCH higher than we thought!"

Shouldn't it say the mainstream goes much higher than we thought? Unless the conspiracy theory is  that the election was not rigged?

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16 minutes ago, SUZNV said:

Shouldn't it say the mainstream goes much higher than we thought? Unless the conspiracy theory is  that the election was not rigged?

The joke is that when God tells the Republicans in heaven 'it was not rigged', instead of accepting that just maybe it really wasn't rigged, they double down and conclude even God is in on the conspiracy.

I chuckled. I think it's quite true for some folk, too!

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Another interesting outlook on the Trump presidency

 

 

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48 minutes ago, 6ACFC0 said:

Goodbye Orange Clown.  As you have figured out few like you except for the crazies in your cult.  Good riddance and good luck in court (not)!!

I do not believe that President Trump is an "Orange Clown".  There is no need to stoop to calling names here.  I respect him to be quite intelligent and a really great fighter.  Almost as if he was from Queens (oops!).  His unfortunate manner and apparent self-centeredness actually puts me off in a visceral manner. So does Pelosi, BTW.

As to those that believe he is worthy of continued support, I am reminded that:

"What a fool believes, no wise man has the power to reason away".

 

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2 hours ago, NickW said:

You'll like this. Its from Spitting Image (UK comedy)

(23) Nancy Pelosi Can't Stop Pandering | Spitting Image - YouTube

Wow I had no idea Spitting Image was back! Loosing touch with the UK.

Not right, not left, not bipartisan. Is apartisan a word? They'll just roast everyone. As it should be! :) Fantastic.

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16 hours ago, Jan van Eck said:

So, I predict that the Dems just might be able to disbar Mr. Trump from office, but another Peronista will rise from the disenchanted, and that person will again lead the disaffected into another term of conflict politics.  And the cycle will repeat until the moneyed class finally smartens up and recognizes that they cannot hide behind gated communities and walls in the Hamptons, eventually the dispossessed will find their Robespierre and then come after them with pitchforks.   So far, absolutely nothing is resolved. 

Just like Piketty and Marx predicted... 

I agree with your ideas of wealth transfer from to bottom; maybe not entirely the mechanism, but still. However, the Trump fan-club on this forum would likely label you a "socialist" and therefore enemy of all the is good and right in the world for these views. 

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