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McConnell: ’The mob was fed lies. They were provoked by the president’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-capitol-riots-mcconnell-biden-inauguration-b1789594.html

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell condemned the deadly mob attacks on the Capitol earlier this month and said the riots were “provoked” by President Donald Trump during a speech on the Senate floor Monday afternoon.

“The last time the Senate convened, we had just reclaimed the Capitol from violent criminals,” Mr McConnell said. “The mob was fed lies. They were provoked by the president.”

The majority leader also insisted Wednesday’s inaugural ceremonies for President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris will be “safe” and free of violence thanks to the “many brave men and women” who “have sworn their own oaths to support and defend the Constitution.”

“We certified the people's choice for their 46th president,” he added. 

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8 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Crony capitalism is not extreme capitalism. It is the destruction of capitalism by dishonest means such as monopolies. In an advanced country it ends up as fascism such as in China and now America and just about every other country in the world. Fascism works, communism does not. The communist countries are in shambles. North Korea, Venezuela, and Cuba are examples. Fascism destroys personal liberties by allowing an elite to rule the middle and lower class. 

IMHO, capitalism will always try to protect their interest and compete by all means, including affecting the Government (who acts as a referee). Money and power go hand in hand and it is normally the voters are the only one who can split them out. However with the growth of technologies and globalization and information era, the votes cannot keep up with the splitting job as they are Amateur in both capitalism and politics . Because the Extreme of Capitalism will be Extreme of Socialism and the Extreme of Socialism will be Extremely Capitalism, 2 become 1  unseparatable elite ruling class.

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McConnell: ’The mob was fed lies. They were provoked by the president’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-capitol-riots-mcconnell-biden-inauguration-b1789594.html

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell condemned the deadly mob attacks on the Capitol earlier this month and said the riots were “provoked” by President Donald Trump during a speech on the Senate floor Monday afternoon.

“The last time the Senate convened, we had just reclaimed the Capitol from violent criminals,” Mr McConnell said. “The mob was fed lies. They were provoked by the president.”

The majority leader also insisted Wednesday’s inaugural ceremonies for President-elect Joe Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris will be “safe” and free of violence thanks to the “many brave men and women” who “have sworn their own oaths to support and defend the Constitution.”

“We certified the people's choice for their 46th president,” he added. 

McConnel was just plain wrong and spoke too soon. He did not base his statement on facts. His wife Elaine Chao was a big influence in his rash statement IMHO. 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13102912/mitch-mcconnell-wife-elaine-chao-children/

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Capitalism, Communism, Socialism all are pretty industrial era terminology in an increasingly digital world (e.g, people spend their (finite) time, resources on digital goods and services), it's unclear how to span the "divide" on some of these things since I know the next 10 years will have a barrage of innovation, maybe the highest since the late 90s, but keep in mind that this moves at different rates but is fairly global these days. Humanity's greatest gift has always been adaptiveness, and I'm sure in the spirit of collaboration, I'm sure we'll get through this time fine.

I think Trump was pretty out of touch with the digital world (unlike his youngest son). Just look at half of his quotes here: https://www.wired.com/story/trump-cyber-worst-quotes-statements-hackers-ukraine-russia/

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13 hours ago, Boat said:

Or we could take out 500 billion per year out of the military. There is over 400 billion we could collect in tax evasion by the rich. Then change that tax bracket to 40% for anyone making over $150,000 with no tax breaks period. That would end some serious waste and socialism for the rich. 

Or we can continue to keep the US military ahead of the CCP's PLA capacity. Eliminate the income tax. Eliminate the Federal transfer programs and stop transfers to state governments. 

Your presumption that government has a net useful function outside of the military police and courts is incorrect. 

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More Video evidence it was antifa breaking into the Capitol building, breaking the glass and being opposed by the patriots

If they're breaking in, how is it bats are being handed outThis was ALWAYS a false flag operation

@Jeffrey Brown can't handle the truth he just repeats lies, just like his hero Goebbels 

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“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

This is the future traitors to the United States want for us. 

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On 1/18/2021 at 1:21 AM, Rasmus Jorgensen said:

I consider myself a humanitarian & and a social liberalist. I do however, also disagree with your above statement. It is entirely possible to have socialist views whilst at the same time believing in capitalism. Let's be clear - what we have today is not a free market. It is a perversion of Adam Smiths vision. And knowing that it is unfair to make claims like yours against other isms. 

I actually agree with what you said. For example, I am a devout capitalist but as a retired cardiologist am immensely convinced that a national health system is the only way forward. 

When I entered practice in 1976, my "no-pay" patient percentage (no insurance, no money, no Medicare/Medicaid) was 20%. While we all understood that surgery, procedures, illnesses cost the paying patients more, we felt it was a way to take care of those caught in a squeeze. By the time I left practice this "no-pay" rate had increased to over 40%, mostly due to illegal immigrants, drug-addicted, homeless and mental illness. At that point, instead of (insurance, Medicare/Medicaid, out of pocket) payment for a procedure that's worth $1,000, that patient pays $1,400 or so while the indigent pays nothing.  

Furthermore, this antiquated system bifurcates care too much: As a matter of economic survival of the system as it now exists, a paying patient is over-tested and over-treated and an indigent patient is under-tested and under-treated. With the addition of many more immigrants--perhaps another 25 million over the next four years--this is going to place an unbearable strain on our healthcare system.

There I stop. Decent healthcare for all is a humanitarian response. Sorry, but paying for sex changes and whims of society don't fit the bill. Nor does redistribution of wealth. 

And yes, people should be allowed to opt out and choose their own doctors totally outside the national health service. There, for example, if they want a sex change or a face lift or a boob job, well, go for it. 

Note: the above may not reflect the belief of the American Medical Society. Or anybody else, for that matter.

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

More Video evidence it was antifa breaking into the Capitol building, breaking the glass and being opposed by the patriots

If they're breaking in, how is it bats are being handed outThis was ALWAYS a false flag operation

@Jeffrey Brown can't handle the truth he just repeats lies, just like his hero Goebbels 

This is the future traitors to the United States want for us. 

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To me, any violent "antifa" (whoever they are) and any violent far-right extremist "militia" groups who came armed are most likely the same people. Anyone like the former president stirring both groups up (instead of a peaceful turnover like every president since Washington) showed me (once again), Trump's anti-democratic overtones. People who felt like they were justified in trying to do an anti-establishment "revolution" after a legal vote that had most likely the largest amount of checks and balances to prevent fraud in history where most voting "events" were stored digitally to prevent the loss of information (hell, even keeping individual voting events is a *well* understood problem in computer science/information theory. this is akin to a persistent data structure, or how your bank would keep your entire history of transactions around, just like your state most likely keeps this type of information collated). obviously making it cryptographically secure is a large set of trade offs, but it requires fairly sophisticated number theory. I think in the future, it will be interesting to see more people experiment with more digitalization of voting. 

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A highly valid perspective from our friends in Australia.

The height of hypocrisy!

 

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4 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Rasmus, A single payer medical system is fascistic. It destroys the ability of the individual to choose how he spends his money to get medical services. We have seen that it is not always beneficial. We have many ways to help the poor with our existing medical programs. Some are based on income level. Those social programs can be expanded as desired but freedom to find ones own medical care declines as social programs grow because one's money has already been spent on taxes for others. We need a happy medium. I have learned that even Germany allows the individual to purchase private medical care. 

 

Is it possible that Rasmus is from a country with a relatively low population, with relatively low illegal immigrant numbers, with a national health system that is nearly flawless and paid for by high taxes?

U.S. Population = @ 330,000,000

Illegal Immigrants in the U.S. already = 10,500,000 (as of 2017)

Legal Immigrants in the U.S. = 14,500,000 (as of 2017)

According to Pew Research.

Just sayin'.

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3 minutes ago, NickW said:

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Now that is fantastic!

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4 hours ago, SUZNV said:

IMHO, capitalism will always try to protect their interest and compete by all means, including affecting the Government (who acts as a referee). Money and power go hand in hand and it is normally the voters are the only one who can split them out. However with the growth of technologies and globalization and information era, the votes cannot keep up with the splitting job as they are Amateur in both capitalism and politics . Because the Extreme of Capitalism will be Extreme of Socialism and the Extreme of Socialism will be Extremely Capitalism, 2 become 1  unseparatable elite ruling class.

Thus it becomes fascism whether called capitalism or socialism.

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2 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

Now that is fantastic!

That helped heal my heart!

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5 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Crony capitalism is not extreme capitalism. It is the destruction of capitalism by dishonest means such as monopolies. In an advanced country it ends up as fascism such as in China and now America and just about every other country in the world. Fascism works, communism does not. The communist countries are in shambles. North Korea, Venezuela, and Cuba are examples. Fascism destroys personal liberties by allowing an elite to rule the middle and lower class. 

Healthcare for all at, cleaner water and air was given the label of socialism by wingnuts. I don’t think these pursuits should even be political other than how much money should be spent as tech adds bells and whistles. Deciding what tech is affordable now but with the goal of dropping costs 20%. You know, more affordable socialism.

 

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28 minutes ago, Boat said:

Healthcare for all at, cleaner water and air was given the label of socialism by wingnuts. I don’t think these pursuits should even be political other than how much money should be spent as tech adds bells and whistles. Deciding what tech is affordable now but with the goal of dropping costs 20%. You know, more affordable socialism.

 

It's hard to quantify what "dropping costs 20%" looks like in technology these days because there is such wide variance in the costs of production and what the marginal cost of creating a new "unit" of a "good" looks like (hell, deciding what business models are tractable in a global economy where "communication" across the wires we call "the internet" that are going to become significantly denser in the next 5 years or so is hard to call). Obviously, it takes physical (what is "classically" referred to as analog-spectrum "stuff" that is hard to reconstruct the diverseness of once you change the "temperature" of it) sharing of natural resources (and stuff like oil, natural gas, or your favorite way of shuttling around electrons), to pay for "new stuff", but the low power transmission of easily copied "stuff" - e.g, digital "stuff" is going down with logarithmic scale due to new methods of networks of stuff that can share airtime wirelessly (5g, pervasive world wide satellite internet) and new pervasive global ways to collaborate and compute stuff in power minimizing, widely distributed way without reinventing the wheel  (the growth of open source, the lack of very many IP-safeguards as they relate to digital services and software in general, standards as they relate to cloud computation, the pooling of computation to the edges, focus on ultra low energy/power and the pooling of resource consumption towards where it can be offset in a carbon neutral way, etc). 

On the other hand, we've clearly at the limits past where Electrical Engineering is (hence the end of Moore's Law due not being able to shrink transistor any further due to quantum effects), hence the movement of information/communications theory to quantum information theory and the rise of the internet of things (and ambient computing - pretty much the entire world will be in a massive wide area network soon). It's interesting to see what the rapid shift of what is considered valuable and what is considered "well known knowledge", and concerns about overconsumption of natural (what is almost impossible to recover) resources, if we decide to care about that (but it most likely require global collaboration). 

Of course, the biggest issues are probably cybersecurity (or the lack of it), privacy, copyright, etc. The rapid growth of the internet is one of the biggest equalizers in human history since most it allows many people/industries to become data and access to information rich, but keep in mind, even things like the pervasiveness of recommendation algos, big data, data mining, knowledge engineering (I'll just call these subfields of "data science") are less than 10 years old and still rapidly in flux (due to the efficiency of the standard digital "spectrum", i.e, unicode, rather than the analog spectrum, and the ability to train artificial intelligence models on massive datasets due to the growth of the world wide web). 

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4 hours ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

I actually agree with what you said. For example, I am a devout capitalist but as a retired cardiologist am immensely convinced that a national health system is the only way forward. 

When I entered practice in 1976, my "no-pay" patient percentage (no insurance, no money, no Medicare/Medicaid) was 20%. While we all understood that surgery, procedures, illnesses cost the paying patients more, we felt it was a way to take care of those caught in a squeeze. By the time I left practice this "no-pay" rate had increased to over 40%, mostly due to illegal immigrants, drug-addicted, homeless and mental illness. At that point, instead of (insurance, Medicare/Medicaid, out of pocket) payment for a procedure that's worth $1,000, that patient pays $1,400 or so while the indigent pays nothing.  

Furthermore, this antiquated system bifurcates care too much: As a matter of economic survival of the system as it now exists, a paying patient is over-tested and over-treated and an indigent patient is under-tested and under-treated. With the addition of many more immigrants--perhaps another 25 million over the next four years--this is going to place an unbearable strain on our healthcare system.

There I stop. Decent healthcare for all is a humanitarian response. Sorry, but paying for sex changes and whims of society don't fit the bill. Nor does redistribution of wealth. 

And yes, people should be allowed to opt out and choose their own doctors totally outside the national health service. There, for example, if they want a sex change or a face lift or a boob job, well, go for it. 

Note: the above may not reflect the belief of the American Medical Society. Or anybody else, for that matter.

Your commentary brought up a very humbling moment for me perhaps 15 yrs ago, it was a moment that startled me then and still today. I still grapple with it at times but i take solace due soley to fact i was never asked to assume the responsibility for the world. It seems quite apparent to me today the citizen's of this united states were never asked to assume the responsibility of the world.

Responsibility is rather a big word, easily said yes taking action is a entirely different world. I ask anyone of any means, or responsibility...would you assume the responsibility for 25 million people of another country when your own countrymen are not cared for adequately..

Who placed this burden upon this US to assume world responsibility, who had the audacity to even contemplate such a absurd Concept. One man one party, who now is living in Martha's Vineyard, the absolute epitome of excessive wealth, a true playground for displaying wealth and arrogance. It would seem he has arrived and let go of his community organizing roots..shredding himself of responsibility. Leadership by example...do as i say not as i do.

So many opinions so little time. Did i say humanity is quite messy?

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6 hours ago, surrept33 said:

To me, any violent "antifa" (whoever they are) and any violent far-right extremist "militia" groups who came armed are most likely the same people. Anyone like the former president stirring both groups up (instead of a peaceful turnover like every president since Washington) showed me (once again), Trump's anti-democratic overtones. People who felt like they were justified in trying to do an anti-establishment "revolution" after a legal vote that had most likely the largest amount of checks and balances to prevent fraud in history where most voting "events" were stored digitally to prevent the loss of information (hell, even keeping individual voting events is a *well* understood problem in computer science/information theory. this is akin to a persistent data structure, or how your bank would keep your entire history of transactions around, just like your state most likely keeps this type of information collated). obviously making it cryptographically secure is a large set of trade offs, but it requires fairly sophisticated number theory. I think in the future, it will be interesting to see more people experiment with more digitalization of voting. 

Horse feathers. There's 140 pages of links to the fraud here and in the other thread state by state. Let's not forget how we got here. At no time our history have multiple states stopped counting on election night. Not one of you has given even the simplest explanation. Pennsylvania still hasn't finished "counting". They're not "counting" they're covering up the crime. 

I'm expert in "fairly sophisticated number theory". I helped data scientists reconstruct and reverse engineer the algorithm used to switch votes from Trump to Biden, sometimes using the intermediaries of the independent candidates so it wouldn't look as obvious. We had the evidence lined up and ready to present. Not one single court allowed it. Every case was rejected on procedural grounds. Had the evidence been allowed, your side could have tried to refute it. They'd have failed, miserably, which is where the judicial jujitsu came in. 

Big Tech wouldn't have needed to pull out all the stops and turn what used to be free speech into muzzled speech if anything you said was true. We are no better than Venezuela now, using the same system for the same evil ends. God help America, and the rest of the world now that the kleptocrats are running the "corporation". 

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Kraken caught in a Chinese fishing net, or something?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9165775/Sidney-Powell-WITHDRAWS-Supreme-Court-lawsuit-seeking-toss-Georgia-election-results.html

If she has evidence, why is this happening? It's too late? Not needed? They lose this battle but continue fighting the war?

Does withdrawing a case like this go against her in any potential challenge to her license?

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7 minutes ago, LiamP said:

Kraken caught in a Chinese fishing net, or something?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9165775/Sidney-Powell-WITHDRAWS-Supreme-Court-lawsuit-seeking-toss-Georgia-election-results.html

If she has evidence, why is this happening? It's too late? Not needed? They lose this battle but continue fighting the war?

Does withdrawing a case like this go against her in any potential challenge to her license?

I think it is all part of the military coordinated operation that will have Biden and the dem leadership arrested today.... Come to think of it, maybe that is why Trump is not attending the inauguration - if there's any shooting... 

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6 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Horse feathers. There's 140 pages of links to the fraud

If links are somehow votes there are far more websites that say the election was fine.

Election by media popularity is what we don't want.

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On 1/17/2021 at 9:34 PM, LiamP said:

Are the Beeb that bad nowadays? I always saw them being accused of being left by the right and being right by the left, which in my book meant they were doing a good enough job of trying to stay balanced! 

@LiamP These days they are a smidge right of communist Liam

Shocking biased drivel!

ITV is spot on and middle of the road, criticizing both main parties IMO

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6 hours ago, LiamP said:

Kraken caught in a Chinese fishing net, or something?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9165775/Sidney-Powell-WITHDRAWS-Supreme-Court-lawsuit-seeking-toss-Georgia-election-results.html

If she has evidence, why is this happening? It's too late? Not needed? They lose this battle but continue fighting the war?

Does withdrawing a case like this go against her in any potential challenge to her license?

Der it's called mootness. Since she was seeking to overturn the election and since all the powers aligned to go with the fraud, there was no point. Democracy is dead in this country, you just can't see it yet. Or do you believe democracy is alive in Venezuela? 

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5 hours ago, Symmetry said:

If links are somehow votes there are far more websites that say the election was fine.

Election by media popularity is what we don't want.

Thousands of affidavits, millions of votes shredded, judges refusing to hear evidence and electors refusing direct orders to allow machines to be forensically examined. But yeah, more moronic websites say nothing to see here, move along. 

Meanwhile "media popularity"? Are you freaking kidding me? There has never been a more unpopular media figure in history than Donald Trump. There was a full court press against him since before he was even elected in 2016. Multiple studies including from Harvard showed the press was negative towards him 97% of the time. To overcome all that showed that Americans have Bullshit detectors you Canadians lack. The truth about this election is being buried as fast as they can find shovels. The MSM is complicit in covering it up, along with Big Tech as is obvious to anyone with eyes and an IQ over room temperature. This isn't populism because of the media but in spite of it. 

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23 hours ago, ronwagn said:

I have learned that even Germany allows the individual to purchase private medical care. 

So does the UK Ron and we have a national health service (free treatment for everything)!

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