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The wheels of justice turn very slowly Jay. The fraud was so extensive it will take years to PROVE, as opposed to REVEAL, the full extent IMHO. 

But this supposed fraud has been around since forever according to your co thinkers and has yet to be proven as ongoing in modern elections. Being in Australia you may not be aware that the Republicans claim voter fraud every election they don't do well in. It did not just come out of nowhere. And to think that such a massive fraud was invented in just the past few years is nutty. Basically akin to arguing that we didn't land on the Moon. 

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17 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Couldn't be bothered. I watched a few uncut versions of Trump's speeches, and was dismayed by the media version every time. I know it happens on both sides, but the left like to think they are "all about love" and that conservatives are "haters".  Well, I have never seen such hypocrisy in all my life. As for anti-semitism, as a part-Jew (one quarter), I have also seen that from all sides, but much less so from conservatives than those who proclaim to be all about love and equality. Whether it be Corbyn in the UK, or members of the Greens Party here in Australia, or Kamala Harris in the USA, the anti-semitism is certainly more prevalent and viscous on the left.

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1 minute ago, Wombat said:

Couldn't be bothered. I watched a few uncut versions of Trump's speeches, and was dismayed by the media version every time. I know it happens on both sides, but the left like to think they are "all about love" and that conservatives are "haters".  Well, I have never seen such hypocrisy in all my life. As for anti-semitism, as a part-Jew (one quarter), I have also seen that from all sides, but much less so from conservatives than those who proclaim to be all about love and equality. Whether it be Corbyn in the UK, or members of the Greens Party here in Australia, or Kamala Harris in the USA, the anti-semitism is certainly more prevalent and viscous on the left.

Well then stop distributing the edited version if you are unwilling to watch the unedited version. It is a big leap from words on creating fraudulent election systems to love, hate and antisemitism. Me thinks you doth protest too much.

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2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

But this supposed fraud has been around since forever according to your co thinkers and has yet to be proven as ongoing in modern elections. Being in Australia you may not be aware that the Republicans claim voter fraud every election they don't do well in. It did not just come out of nowhere. And to think that such a massive fraud was invented in just the past few years is nutty. Basically akin to arguing that we didn't land on the Moon. 

Well there has been arguments made attempting to compare a modern hi tech EV street cruiser and comparing it a stone age Dodge in quality/cost maintenance consideration's...Never mind the popping curves,digging thru ditches and that ever present bump and run...As they say..."Such Is Life"

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Well there has been arguments made attempting to compare a modern hi tech EV street cruiser and comparing it a stone age Dodge in quality/cost maintenance consideration's...Never mind the popping curves,digging thru ditches and that ever present bump and run...As they say..."Such Is Life"

You must be drinking more than I am. 

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3 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

But this supposed fraud has been around since forever according to your co thinkers and has yet to be proven as ongoing in modern elections. Being in Australia you may not be aware that the Republicans claim voter fraud every election they don't do well in. It did not just come out of nowhere. And to think that such a massive fraud was invented in just the past few years is nutty. Basically akin to arguing that we didn't land on the Moon. 

What makes this "Covid election" different is the wide-scale use of mail-in ballots (which is easy to fraud), and the connecting of voting machines to the net and their obvious manipulation. Look Jay, I work with any US President that allows me to, spent 8 years in communication with Obama over a variety of issues, including the regulation of flaring in the shale patch, but I don't like the way he was given a Nobel Peace prize simply for becoming POTUS and I don't like the disgusting way that Trump has been treated. It is not about left-right, I am neither. It is about the world becoming corrupt and insane. That is what I don't like, and I would have thought that a man of your intellect would also be a little concerned about "the age of irrationalism" that Richard Dawkins warned us about?

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Any unbiased observer would have to be totally stupid not to believe that some degree of fraudulent behavior took place during the election. The degree of misbehavior is totally unknown--and it could range all the way from minimal to extreme. 

We're about to get an idea of it. The AG has launched an investigation. It's going to take some doing for any lawyer or investigator to uncover fraud on a grand scale, which is what it would take for Mr. Trump to win. But it might at least help to straighten out the system.  

Every election in the history of this Republic has involved fraud, usually revolving about cemetery votes or the absentee votes from military. This year, because of the virus, the mail-in vote was immense, which increased the opportunity of fraud by a factor of several. But just how much fraud went on is unknown. In the past, we've turned a collective blind eye. The hypocrite Geo W--who went down to the wire and then asked for the SCOTUS to decide his own election--has already congratulated the new president-elect. How sweet.   

The American way has been for the loser to concede, for the "good of the country." But is it really for the good--the greater good--if this just gets folded into the system of cheating. Maybe it would be better to reveal how much, where, and of what kind. 

We have only a short time to wait as the votes have to be certified by the Electoral College on December 13th. The Constitution is quite clear on that. If they can't be, then the 12th Amendment kicks in: the House selects the president and the Senate selects the vice-president. Nobody wants that because it is truly a constitutional crisis, used only once before (Andrew Jackson vs John Quincy Adams; 1824).

Theoretically, under the 12th, we could wind up with Joe Biden and Mike Pence. Or, perversely, Joe Biden and Donald J. Trump. Most likely, to be fair--and America is still basically fair in most things--we'd probably wind up with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, but who the hell wants to go through that--it would divide the country farther.

So it looks as though there will be a tentative investigation. If this doesn't yield heavy fruit in the first week, then it needs to be dropped. There are worse things than just saying you did your best, it's yours to fix, President Biden. And in the course of the disabled president's term, when he makes such an egregious error the country can't take the chance any longer, we'll get to try out socialism. But hey, it comes equipped with solar panels and windmills, electric cars and free money for all. Best of all, no virus will dare come within fifty feet of a registered Democrat, as they dance wildly in the streets of NYC and DC. 

What could possibly go wrong?

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That largely depends on how much longer China is able to manipulate it's currency IMHO. Obama was not happy about it, hence the "pivot to Asia", will be interesting to see if Biden makes an issue of it if he wins the Presidency.

I am no expert, but I think their currency is already in line with the market.  The yuan has been strengthening against the US dollar over the last year, and accelerated its gain over the last six months due to Coronavirus.  Moreover, money has been flooding into China, due to its safe haven status.  At the moment, it is the darling of global investors.

https://amp.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3107854/beijing-embraces-rising-capital-inflows-rivalry-us

China has been  attracting capital since MSCI had decided to increase China's weight in its various indexes for global investments as it was urged to do so by China under threat of being booted out of Morgan Stanley's rather large business in China. As a result, a large number of investment funds benchmarked to global MSCI indexes are looking to increase their weight in Chinese investments by tens of billions of dollars. Wall street is all too happy to oblige and collect fees on the transition. In the meantime China gets a lifeline of FOREX flows to keep it afloat and provide an avenue for CCP elite to exit the country while the getting is good along with their countrymen's hard money.

What China has is not safehaven status but a relatively high yield market  of risk assets - the precise opposite of a safe haven. China Credit analysts keep warning the financial world about the rickety finances of most private and SOE companies. And the financial system's fragility and opacity. But portfolio investors are not listening and don't recognize their responsibility is to their client's capital, not to matching an arbitrary index.

The strengthening Yuan is a product of these financial flows and the decline in China travel and offshore education due to CV19. IIRC that saved them a draw of about $200 B annually so long as it continues. Exports have increased over imports as China is now more self sufficient in lowest grade iron ores and coal. it is also the world's leading exporter of PPE, where some products like high grade masks sell for 30X their prices prior to CV19.

The mainstream China story relies on utterly fake economic data issued by Provinces to the NBS, and now burnished with the NBS own tricks to bolster the appearance of growth. But ChinaBeigeBook and Caixin are reporting true numbers that show retail sales 10% below last year, no fixed asset investment growth and likely 9.5 % shrinkage if you undo the NBS' trick of altering the 2018 and 19 numbers. Employment having been 0 growth since the great return to work in March, and for the first time has hiring has hit above the neutral 50 mark on the PMI for employment. Which is actually an achievement since that has not been the case since 2013 if not earlier. China's employers have fewer than 50% reporting net hiring for the bulk of the last decade.

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10 minutes ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

Theoretically, under the 12th, we could wind up with Joe Biden and Mike Pence. Or, perversely, Joe Biden and Donald J. Trump. Most likely, to be fair--and America is still basically fair in most things--we'd probably wind up with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, but who the hell wants to go through that--it would divide the country farther.

 

Most people believe that SleepyJoeChina is not going to last a full term in office. A Biden and Donald J. Trump pairing will end up with Trump getting back the presidency.  The only question is how soon you have to wait.

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3 minutes ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

Any unbiased observer would have to be totally stupid not to believe that some degree of fraudulent behavior took place during the election. The degree of misbehavior is totally unknown--and it could range all the way from minimal to extreme. 

We're about to get an idea of it. The AG has launched an investigation. It's going to take some doing for any lawyer or investigator to uncover fraud on a grand scale, which is what it would take for Mr. Trump to win. But it might at least help to straighten out the system.  

Every election in the history of this Republic has involved fraud, usually revolving about cemetery votes or the absentee votes from military. This year, because of the virus, the mail-in vote was immense, which increased the opportunity of fraud by a factor of several. But just how much fraud went on is unknown. In the past, we've turned a collective blind eye. The hypocrite Geo W--who went down to the wire and then asked for the SCOTUS to decide his own election--has already congratulated the new president-elect. How sweet.   

The American way has been for the loser to concede, for the "good of the country." But is it really for the good--the greater good--if this just gets folded into the system of cheating. Maybe it would be better to reveal how much, where, and of what kind. 

We have only a short time to wait as the votes have to be certified by the Electoral College on December 13th. The Constitution is quite clear on that. If they can't be, then the 12th Amendment kicks in: the House selects the president and the Senate selects the vice-president. Nobody wants that because it is truly a constitutional crisis, used only once before (Andrew Jackson vs John Quincy Adams; 1824).

Theoretically, under the 12th, we could wind up with Joe Biden and Mike Pence. Or, perversely, Joe Biden and Donald J. Trump. Most likely, to be fair--and America is still basically fair in most things--we'd probably wind up with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, but who the hell wants to go through that--it would divide the country farther.

So it looks as though there will be a tentative investigation. If this doesn't yield heavy fruit in the first week, then it needs to be dropped. There are worse things than just saying you did your best, it's yours to fix, President Biden. And in the course of the disabled president's term, when he makes such an egregious error the country can't take the chance any longer, we'll get to try out socialism. But hey, it comes equipped with solar panels and windmills, electric cars and free money for all. Best of all, no virus will dare come within fifty feet of a registered Democrat, as they dance wildly in the streets of NYC and DC. 

What could possibly go wrong?

I must be said i find your post's both informative and stimulating, with that being said after this one i do believe i need a shot of FireBall, a bit crude yes. But it does stun the sense's and for a moment its whoa!!

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18 minutes ago, Wombat said:

What makes this "Covid election" different is the wide-scale use of mail-in ballots (which is easy to fraud), and the connecting of voting machines to the net and their obvious manipulation. Look Jay, I work with any US President that allows me to, spent 8 years in communication with Obama over a variety of issues, including the regulation of flaring in the shale patch, but I don't like the way he was given a Nobel Peace prize simply for becoming POTUS and I don't like the disgusting way that Trump has been treated. It is not about left-right, I am neither. It is about the world becoming corrupt and insane. That is what I don't like, and I would have thought that a man of your intellect would also be a little concerned about "the age of irrationalism" that Richard Dawkins warned us about?

I was disgusted with Obama getting the Nobel just for getting elected, utter BS. Obama was a rather crappy president - no prosecutions for the financial meltdown, extreme hypocrisy on marijuana, utter buffoonery on obamacare, etc, etc. 

What pissed me off about Trump is how it was all about him and how he would say things like he knows more about solar than anyone else, yes he said that... etc. etc.

I am very concerned about the age of irrationalism but are you sure you understand what Dawkins was talking about? He was talking about Trump and crazy cults of personality. 

In your new book’s introduction you allude to Donald Trump’s election, and say that now “more than ever, reason needs to take center stage.” What would you say to Trump if you had his ear? Do you think you could reason with him?
Mr. Trump, you appear to be laboring under the delusion that you have the necessary qualifications to be president. The manifest failure of almost everything you have attempted during your first six months, coupled with the anarchic chaos that pervades your White House, should give you pause—or would give pause to any person of normal sensitivity.

What advice would I give? Get your news, not from FOX but from all the sources available to a president, many of them not available to the rest of us. Announce your decisions after due consideration and consultation, not impulsively on Twitter. Cultivate common good manners when dealing with people. Do not be misled by the crowds that cheer your boorish rudeness: they are a minority of the American people.

Listen to experts better qualified than you are. Especially scientists. Be guided by evidence and reason, not gut feeling. By far the best way to assess evidence is the scientific method. Indeed, it is the only way if we interpret “scientific” broadly. In particular—since the matter is so urgent and it may already be too late—listen to scientists when they tell you about the looming catastrophe of climate change.

No I don’t think I could reason with Trump. Why would I succeed where so many have failed?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/richard-dawkins-offers-advice-for-donald-trump-and-other-wisdom/

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22 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Or Frankfurt or @frankfurter's machine. I mean we all know we can trust him can't we? 

Meanwhile here's a rather lengthy Article about Dominion.

No collusion here, nothing to see here folks, move along. 

Why are most people so blind to the globalist masters of the universe and letting them make us all into pawns? It seems clear as a sunny day to me. 

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16 hours ago, Wombat said:

I disagree Jay. I may agree with most of your analysis on the green economy, but I think that the average American wants to know that their vote actually counts. There are military personnel fighting for freedom and democracy in Afghanistan that have just seen their votes turn up in a dumpster. Imagine how they feel. They have put their lives on the line in the name of Democracy only to be severely betrayed. Some have said they will quit the military over the issue. Not good at all. There is no democracy without transparency and here in Australia, we are not laughing at America, we are deeply concerned and petrified the same thing might happen here. Has happened in South Korea too. 

What is going on in South Korea? Voting fraud?

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25 minutes ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

Any unbiased observer would have to be totally stupid not to believe that some degree of fraudulent behavior took place during the election. The degree of misbehavior is totally unknown--and it could range all the way from minimal to extreme. 

We're about to get an idea of it. The AG has launched an investigation. It's going to take some doing for any lawyer or investigator to uncover fraud on a grand scale, which is what it would take for Mr. Trump to win. But it might at least help to straighten out the system.  

Every election in the history of this Republic has involved fraud, usually revolving about cemetery votes or the absentee votes from military. This year, because of the virus, the mail-in vote was immense, which increased the opportunity of fraud by a factor of several. But just how much fraud went on is unknown. In the past, we've turned a collective blind eye. The hypocrite Geo W--who went down to the wire and then asked for the SCOTUS to decide his own election--has already congratulated the new president-elect. How sweet.   

The American way has been for the loser to concede, for the "good of the country." But is it really for the good--the greater good--if this just gets folded into the system of cheating. Maybe it would be better to reveal how much, where, and of what kind. 

We have only a short time to wait as the votes have to be certified by the Electoral College on December 13th. The Constitution is quite clear on that. If they can't be, then the 12th Amendment kicks in: the House selects the president and the Senate selects the vice-president. Nobody wants that because it is truly a constitutional crisis, used only once before (Andrew Jackson vs John Quincy Adams; 1824).

Theoretically, under the 12th, we could wind up with Joe Biden and Mike Pence. Or, perversely, Joe Biden and Donald J. Trump. Most likely, to be fair--and America is still basically fair in most things--we'd probably wind up with Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, but who the hell wants to go through that--it would divide the country farther.

So it looks as though there will be a tentative investigation. If this doesn't yield heavy fruit in the first week, then it needs to be dropped. There are worse things than just saying you did your best, it's yours to fix, President Biden. And in the course of the disabled president's term, when he makes such an egregious error the country can't take the chance any longer, we'll get to try out socialism. But hey, it comes equipped with solar panels and windmills, electric cars and free money for all. Best of all, no virus will dare come within fifty feet of a registered Democrat, as they dance wildly in the streets of NYC and DC. 

What could possibly go wrong?

We should add the option that the disputed states with both houses being Republican, Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin simply decide the EC vote since the election outcome can not be determined in time. The method of the determination of the delegates to the EC is purely in the hands of the state legislatures by Article II of the constitution and they can override a vote and place their chosen candidate's delegates in place as they see fit. They may act well before the Dec 13 due date. The scholarship saying it is against Federal law to make the decision after the election are speaking out of the wrong end. Federal law does not override the constitution. Article II section 1 does not restrict the State legislatures in time method or sequence with election in deciding its EC. Definitely not when a decisive count can not be had.

No state has certified its election results. Likely because nobody is going to risk perjury over swearing to a disputed count many Secretaries of State may know is false. Thus there is no possibility of any state deciding its EC delegates by election day. The 1846 law is moot.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-biden-electoral-college-electors-plan-loyalists-swing-states-2020-9?op=1

 

 

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11 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

 

No state has certified its election results. Likely because nobody is going to risk perjury over swearing to a disputed count many Secretaries of State may know is false. Thus there is no possibility of any state deciding its EC delegates by election day. The 1846 law is moot.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-biden-electoral-college-electors-plan-loyalists-swing-states-2020-9?op=1

 

 

What are you drinking / smoking? No state has certified because they have never certified within a week of election day. Please name the state that has actually completed their initial count?

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If state election boards can't certify, neither can the Electoral College. And the rest is simple--it's the 12th Amendment of the Constitution.

That would take over on December 14. The Republicans are favored in the House of Representatives, even though the Democrats hold a seat majority. Each state U.S. House delegation gets to cast a single vote for president. California, with its 53 seats, is on par with Wyoming. They would obviously choose Donald J. Trump. The Senate would then select a VP, and that would be Mike Pence. 

There is no going to the Supreme Court to contest the 12th Amendment. And the date is firm. The amendment is over 200 years old.

The Democrats are trying their best to steamroll a Joe Biden win through the system: they are panic-stricken. They understand a lot better than I that if the state election boards won't certify under oath, then the EC can't certify, and the election will wind up like John Quincy Adams vs. Andrew Jackson. Mr. Jackson won more popular votes and had more electoral college votes but they wouldn't certify them, so the dilemma triggered the 12th Amendment. The House interestingly chose John Quincey Adams over the people's choice, Andrew Jackson. 

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LOTS of IMPROPER VOTING INCIDENTS -  Litigation and presentation of whistle-blower affidavit and many other documented discrepancies being further investigated.

 

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@Gerry Maddoux I think this is what you were referring to in the 12th ammendment

The House/Congress votes on who the President will be. It has nothing to do with what party that has power. Every state gets one vote and 30 states are held by Republicans / 19 by Democrats. 

So all Trump has to do to be president is keep the investigations and the court cases going while having the court strike portions of the ballots in states with latecoming ballots, and the number of instant shift ballots coming from obvious manufactured ballot counts.

Virginia may be a red state. GA PA WI MI will all be in Trump's column The celebration of Biden will be short lived and the end result is obvious now.

All that remains is whether Barr manages to bring a case of vote fraud in time or expands it in scale to become a treason case due to what amounts to a coup attempt.

 

Also this interesting piece by By UK Express' pollster Basham, as you see it is as he predicted in the article I posted in the other election thread on the Trump win's effect on oil.

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1357379/us-election-2020-donald-trump-joe-biden-pollster-fail

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42 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

What are you drinking / smoking? No state has certified because they have never certified within a week of election day. Please name the state that has actually completed their initial count?

Thanks, I didn't actually check that. The auto updating list I track does not provide detail beyond 100%.

 

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I should have added that getting the DOJ involved is incredibly important. It is one thing to certify an election to be accurate to the best of your ability if there is no DOJ investigator about to check it out. It is quite another to make that oath under the hot breath of the DOJ. 

I would imagine that a lot of election officials would lie for Mr. Biden. I doubt that very many would be willing to go to federal prison for him. This is officially a very hot mess. I sort of doubt it is settled by the magic hour on Dec. 14. 

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2 minutes ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

I should have added that getting the DOJ involved is incredibly important. It is one thing to certify an election to be accurate to the best of your ability if there is no DOJ investigator about to check it out. It is quite another to make that oath under the hot breath of the DOJ. 

I would imagine that a lot of election officials would lie for Mr. Biden. I doubt that very many would be willing to go to federal prison for him. This is officially a very hot mess. I sort of doubt it is settled by the magic hour on Dec. 14. 

Don't worry it will be extremely easy, barely an inconvenience. Didn't Barr say he would have Hillary's emails released before election day? 

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6 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

Thanks, I didn't actually check that. The auto updating list I track does not provide detail beyond 100%.

 

You definitely need better software.

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6 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

I think this is what you were referring to in the 12th ammendment

The House/Congress votes on who the President will be. It has nothing to do with what party that has power. Every state gets one vote and 30 states are held by Republicans / 19 by Democrats. 

You stated it better than I did. What I was trying to point out was, if this gets mired down in legal mud, and can't get loose prior to December 14th, Mr. Trump will be awarded a second term by the House of Representatives. 

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1 minute ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Don't worry it will be extremely easy, barely an inconvenience.

HaHa, you better hope so, Jay. 

With no more than what they say has already been discovered in Pennsylvania, I'd be pretty reluctant to swear that the count was accurate. 

The AG in Penn is already under suspicion for saying that Biden would absolutely win Penn, the night before the election. 

Either way, it's going to be interesting. 

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24 minutes ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

HaHa, you better hope so, Jay. 

With no more than what they say has already been discovered in Pennsylvania, I'd be pretty reluctant to swear that the count was accurate. 

The AG in Penn is already under suspicion for saying that Biden would absolutely win Penn, the night before the election. 

Either way, it's going to be interesting. 

Hope is not an issue. I've read their pleadings. Almost as hilarious as Make America Rake Again! I love that one.

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