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2 hours ago, SUZNV said:

With all respect, I studied a few pages back carefully and couldn't see anyone hoping that this "audit" will reverse the election. The best (or worst for some) would prove that there was cheating in the election in AZ and some people go to trail and that's it. That's why I confused myself why would anyone  would need to argue while the auditing is going on and assumed that you implied the audit is unnecessary? I couldn't see how auditing is against the constitution and therefore couldn't see the point in  why you keep repeating the constitution or "it's over" out?. 

Part of the reason is how the audit is being conducted. They hired a relatively new company called cyber ninjas, who've never done anything like this before, who believe the election was a fraud and so cannot possibly have anything resembling impartiality, who are trying to obscure what they're doing, and are haphazardly approaching it even so much as using black and blue pens/markers against the rules.

They had a bunch of (useless) cameras, no cameras in the area where they are taking apart machines, and declared its inspection methods "trade secrets".

It looks like things are changing now thanks to judicial oversight. With the extraordinary nature of the audit, the burden of proof is to make sure that the audit is very transparently done.

https://www.azfamily.com/news/ap_cnn/firm-recounting-arizona-ballots-wants-methods-kept-secret/article_42d50520-9917-514d-b571-acc9bfab7239.html?block_id=997196

https://www.12news.com/article/news/politics/judge-rules-cyber-ninjas-cant-hide-procedures-from-public-in-arizona-senate-gops-election-audit/75-cefbe785-1e7c-48c1-8aa4-6ca19bce9856

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35 minutes ago, surrept33 said:

Part of the reason is how the audit is being conducted. They hired a relatively new company called cyber ninjas, who've never done anything like this before, who believe the election was a fraud and so cannot possibly have anything resembling impartiality, who are trying to obscure what they're doing, and are haphazardly approaching it even so much as using black and blue pens/markers against the rules.

They had a bunch of (useless) cameras, no cameras in the area where they are taking apart machines, and declared its inspection methods "trade secrets".

It looks like things are changing now thanks to judicial oversight. With the extraordinary nature of the audit, the burden of proof is to make sure that the audit is very transparently done.

https://www.azfamily.com/news/ap_cnn/firm-recounting-arizona-ballots-wants-methods-kept-secret/article_42d50520-9917-514d-b571-acc9bfab7239.html?block_id=997196

https://www.12news.com/article/news/politics/judge-rules-cyber-ninjas-cant-hide-procedures-from-public-in-arizona-senate-gops-election-audit/75-cefbe785-1e7c-48c1-8aa4-6ca19bce9856

Now explain how transparent election night (and the infamous 3 A.M. ballot dumps) was with observers ejected from the building and no cameras allowed. The only reason I was able to post the videos from Georgia was because the Atlanta basketball team had their own security cameras, which would have been turned off if the Demoncrats had known about them. Not exactly the definition of transparent is it? But yeah, the auditors need to follow rules the previous audits you're so proud of most decidedly did not. The hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a axe. 

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12 hours ago, turbguy said:

The constitutional process of states submitting certification and congress verifying those certificates, and the inauguration of #46 is done.

By what constitutional process can that process be "reversed"?

The only one I can think of is removal from office via impeachment.

If there is another, please respond with a reference to the Constitution that spells the reversal process out.

An "audit" could provide some assurance, but cannot reverse the past result.

I just want to take this opportunity to admire how your narrative has changed from "nothing untoward happened, it was a perfectly fair and legitimate election" to "how dare you change the results of the election, we stole it fair and square". You sound exactly like your DNC brethren in that. Meanwhile the laughingstock of the world gave a "speech" to an empty building because of cough cough Covid protocols, even though Nancy pushed through a sham impeachment with a packed building of shoulder to shoulder lawmakers. Hypocrites much? 

Meanwhile you're not wrong that we're facing a constitutional catastrophe. The founding fathers could never have foreseen cheating this rampant. @0R0 is right, the most logical remedy is for the military to set things straight. Absent that, we have Kamala drinking her way through the day, wondering how the BLM will fare against actual patriots. 

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On 4/26/2021 at 2:11 PM, surrept33 said:

What's credible? It's interesting to see who trusts who in America these days.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/30/951095644/even-if-its-bonkers-poll-finds-many-believe-qanon-and-other-conspiracy-theories

 

NPR CNN MSNBC CBS NBC ABC NYT WaPo etc. are conspirators. Since 2012 DAA where the Smith-Mundt Act was repealed, US government was able to subvert media to promote its narratives. The point of contact is the old Mockingbird operation by the CIA, which was merely made legal and increased in scale. It is why we all call it Fake News. Because it is. Because the law authorizes the promulgation of lies through media. 

Your repeated references to publications with no credibility and no journalistic standards as allowed them when promulgating the 4 am talking points CIA=DNC hands out daily, is an indication of your failure to investigate.

I suggest you start by dropping google as your search engine, and knocking out WaPo NYT CNN etc off of your search results with a AND NOT or "-". The ad copy has now engulfed the entirety of the bandwidth of these publications/broadcasters. They are reliably false.

The polling samples are methodically biased to produce "desirable" results. 

Mainstream media should take up the space in your mind where "Pravda" was back in its day. 

 

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45 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Now explain how transparent election night (and the infamous 3 A.M. ballot dumps) was with observers ejected from the building and no cameras allowed. The only reason I was able to post the videos from Georgia was because the Atlanta basketball team had their own security cameras, which would have been turned off if the Demoncrats had known about them. Not exactly the definition of transparent is it? But yeah, the auditors need to follow rules the previous audits you're so proud of most decidedly did not. The hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a axe. 

 

Georgia already investigated the salacious claims of the "infamous 3 A.M ballot dumps":

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.284055/gov.uscourts.gand.284055.72.1.pdf

Perhaps the GOP should have spent less time throwing as many darts into the air to see what sticks rather than try to win the runoff.

Or are these people "RINOs" as well because they dared stand up for the truth?

https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/opinion-the-noose-behind-gabriel-sterlings-moment/3JH7YDXDIRA75NKTOY4SHU6VIA/

 

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12 hours ago, turbguy said:

The constitutional process of states submitting certification and congress verifying those certificates, and the inauguration of #46 is done.

 

That was merely the end of the process of committing the act of treason by the Biden team and their handlers. The "inauguration" was pre taped in a place other than the capitol platform. On the platform on inauguration day were mainly National Guardsmen. 

What you are saying is "done" is the crime.

The investigation and prosecution follows, not precedes it. The chain of decisions made and the people making them is subject to investigation and according to the findings they will be reversed where fraud and treason were involved. The people involved will be prosecuted appropriately in good time. The appearance of the action in public will start when the public is ready to hear it. In the meantime, the Biden show continues to turn Americans away from the state and media and cements ever growing rejection of the Dem narrative, awareness and rejection of the "great reset" and a tightening intellectual ghetto where people such as yourself still live as the MSM and Biden Junta keep spinning out of control into ever more extreme absurdity and illegal revolting actions. 

The "inauguration" was the START of the new republic. Its first act is to prosecute the actors of the corporate USA and its partners in the private sector (particularly banking) and among foreign powers, most notably China. 

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1 hour ago, surrept33 said:

Part of the reason is how the audit is being conducted. They hired a relatively new company called cyber ninjas, who've never done anything like this before, who believe the election was a fraud and so cannot possibly have anything resembling impartiality, who are trying to obscure what they're doing, and are haphazardly approaching it even so much as using black and blue pens/markers against the rules.

They had a bunch of (useless) cameras, no cameras in the area where they are taking apart machines, and declared its inspection methods "trade secrets".

It looks like things are changing now thanks to judicial oversight. With the extraordinary nature of the audit, the burden of proof is to make sure that the audit is very transparently done.

https://www.azfamily.com/news/ap_cnn/firm-recounting-arizona-ballots-wants-methods-kept-secret/article_42d50520-9917-514d-b571-acc9bfab7239.html?block_id=997196

https://www.12news.com/article/news/politics/judge-rules-cyber-ninjas-cant-hide-procedures-from-public-in-arizona-senate-gops-election-audit/75-cefbe785-1e7c-48c1-8aa4-6ca19bce9856

Again, I see no relation to add to the audit vs constitution  or "it's over" argument

About what you mention

Firstly, the key point is if the company can find the evidences or not, regardless of what they believe or how they execute it, surely they will need to show it to the judge to persuade the hardiness of their evidences, probably with a non disclosure agreement.

What is the motivation of any auditor that believe that there is no problem when they start auditing something?

Reading the 2 links you sent, I see different motivation for the request here:

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The Arizona Democratic Party and the lone Democrat on the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors sued the Senate and Cyber Ninjas last Thursday. They wanted the recount of the 2020 presidential election won by President Joe Biden halted unless they were given guarantees that voter privacy and ballot secrecy would be ensured.

They want guarantees that voter privacy and ballot secrecy would be ensured and the company wants to ensure it by: 

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A contractor hired by Arizona's state Senate to oversee the recount of 2.1 million ballots from November's election in the county that includes the metro Phoenix area wants a judge to keep secret its methods for ensuring ballot privacy.

The judge removed the company's excuse would remove the recount halted request's excuse as the same time

Isn't this we both want? 

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12 hours ago, surrept33 said:

Arizona did not "magically" transform. The trend has been there in the last few elections. 

I think the biggest trend is that the Trump/GQP was not as popular in suburban areas as Republicans traditionally were. 

Before the election:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/523693-why-maricopa-county-will-choose-the-next-president

Maricopa is 60% of the vote in Arizona.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/bidens-victory-came-from-the-suburbs/

Unlike 2016, which was a very low turnout election because of Hillary/Trump, 2018 and 2020 were very high turnout elections.

You are charting the increase in fake voter registrations and "participation" as more of this enhanced reservoir of ballots was used by the Dem fraud machine as was practiced for decades in CA. . If you are to believe the Dem's and their manufactured results then the entire increase in AZ population since 2000 was composed entirely of Dem voters, who then turnout at 109% of census estimates of voting age population in Maricopa. 

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30 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

NPR CNN MSNBC CBS NBC ABC NYT WaPo etc. are conspirators. Since 2012 DAA where the Smith-Mundt Act was repealed, US government was able to subvert media to promote its narratives. The point of contact is the old Mockingbird operation by the CIA, which was merely made legal and increased in scale. It is why we all call it Fake News. Because it is. Because the law authorizes the promulgation of lies through media. 

Your repeated references to publications with no credibility and no journalistic standards as allowed them when promulgating the 4 am talking points CIA=DNC hands out daily, is an indication of your failure to investigate.

I suggest you start by dropping google as your search engine, and knocking out WaPo NYT CNN etc off of your search results with a AND NOT or "-". The ad copy has now engulfed the entirety of the bandwidth of these publications/broadcasters. They are reliably false.

The polling samples are methodically biased to produce "desirable" results. 

Mainstream media should take up the space in your mind where "Pravda" was back in its day. 

 

Less nefarious version of what what act really accomplishes:

The VOA transmits information about America in various around the world. Traditionally, it was done over radio or affiliates (usually newspapers or TV). See for example: https://www.voanews.com/voa-around-world

The modernization of the Smith-Mundt act increases transparency. In the VOA's own words:

https://www.insidevoa.com/a/3794247.html

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Up until 2013, VOA continued to turn down any requests from the US public for VOA content and did not promote the fact that VOA was on the internet, viewable by all. This changed when the President signed into law, the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act in January 2013, which would become effective 6 months later on July 2, 2013. Now American citizens would be free to not only view programming on VOA’s many language service websites and mobile platforms, but are able to request VOA programming for re-broadcast to audiences in the United States. VOA is no longer restricted by national borders. For the first time since 1948, VOA and the U.S. international broadcasters were able to provide content on demand to American citizens.

This was an inevitable change, simply because of the internet. Very few people most likely use VOA content domestically, but internationally, it's used a lot because it is known as reliable, with a very long history of reliability. 

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14 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

That was merely the end of the process of committing the act of treason by the Biden team and their handlers. The "inauguration" was pre taped in a place other than the capitol platform. On the platform on inauguration day were mainly National Guardsmen.

OMG! 

I cannot fathom how much crime and how many criminals must have participated in that massive a theater.

It boggles the mind.

And to keep it all secret from the MSM and all those personel.

I supposed that moon landings were taped somewhere else as well...

 

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11 minutes ago, surrept33 said:

Less nefarious version of what what act really accomplishes:

The VOA transmits information about America in various around the world. Traditionally, it was done over radio or affiliates (usually newspapers or TV). See for example: https://www.voanews.com/voa-around-world

The modernization of the Smith-Mundt act increases transparency. In the VOA's own words:

https://www.insidevoa.com/a/3794247.html

This was an inevitable change, simply because of the internet. Very few people most likely use VOA content domestically, but internationally, it's used a lot because it is known as reliable, with a very long history of reliability. 

I suggest you ignore the surface claims of a legislation's purposes to what it actually allows the power structure to do. 

 

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1 minute ago, turbguy said:

OMG! 

I cannot fathom how much crime and how many criminals must have participated in that massive a theater.

It boggles the mind.

And to keep it all secret from the MSM and all those personel.

I supposed that moon landings were taped somewhere else as well...

 

MSM is part and parcel of the election fraud and the treason. They will be prosecuted as such. Nothing was "hidden" from the MSM, they did the hiding of the facts. 

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23 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

I suggest you ignore the surface claims of a legislation's purposes to what it actually allows the power structure to do. 

 

Personally, I take the ACLU's viewpoint.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/new-government-propaganda-bill-positive-step-first-amendment
 

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Much of the support for the Thornberry-Smith Amendment has focused on the fact that modern technology (and especially the Internet) renders the ban largely ineffective.  For instance, it’s a simple matter to download VOA material, even though doing so is technically a violation of the law.
 
From a First Amendment perspective, however, the ban is both highly paternalistic and a nightmare for government transparency.  As noted, State- and BBG-produced material are exempt from the Freedom of Information Act.  And there are less restrictive means available than an outright ban to ensure that the State Department and BBG are not turned into organs of a domestic government propaganda machine.  We should trust that the American public will be able to take government public diplomacy communications with a sufficient grain of salt to prevent undue influence.
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The problem with the existing ban is that it denies Americans the ability to even access government communications.  This is therefore more a question of government transparency and accountability than government propaganda, and the ban should be dispensed with.

 

Keep in mind that many social networks, especially after the mid 2010s, labeled what was funded by governments to increase transparency. 

From what I've seen, VOA is "fair and balanced" and useful especially for people where the entire media is controlled by the state. That's been used in the past for all sorts of abuses of power, for example, the Rwandan genocide, North Korea, Myanmar today, China, Russia, etc.

 

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1 hour ago, surrept33 said:

Georgia already investigated the salacious claims of the "infamous 3 A.M ballot dumps":

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.284055/gov.uscourts.gand.284055.72.1.pdf

Perhaps the GOP should have spent less time throwing as many darts into the air to see what sticks rather than try to win the runoff.

Or are these people "RINOs" as well because they dared stand up for the truth?

https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/opinion-the-noose-behind-gabriel-sterlings-moment/3JH7YDXDIRA75NKTOY4SHU6VIA/

 

Sadly Ms Watson was delinquent in her "investigation" of the matter. Had she merely looked at the dozens of news media outlets who all claimed counting was stopped because of a water leak, she might have learned something. But this is all moot because a judge has ruled it thus, negating the testimony of thousands of people who were never allowed due process. 

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1 hour ago, turbguy said:

OMG! 

I cannot fathom how much crime and how many criminals must have participated in that massive a theater.

It boggles the mind.

And to keep it all secret from the MSM and all those personel.

I supposed that moon landings were taped somewhere else as well...

 

Just how many democrats are there? It just boggles the mind.

I've posted the link to Time Magazine bragging about their (the MSM plus Big Tech) role in all this. Did you neglect to read it? Do I need to sit on your chest and read it out loud to you? Your choices are ignorance and willful ignorance. 

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59 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Just how many democrats are there? It just boggles the mind.

I've posted the link to Time Magazine bragging about their role in all this. Did you neglect to read it? Do I need to sit on your chest and read it out loud to you? Your choices are ignorance and willful ignorance. 

"MSM" and "Far-Right wing" media are both allowed freedom of speech. 

As are both you and I.

Either you have what you want, or you have the reasons why you don't.  It never fails...

It's done.

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3 minutes ago, turbguy said:

"MSM" and "Far-Right wing" media are both allowed freedom of speech. 

As are both you and I.

Either you have what you want, or you have the reasons why you don't.  It never fails...

It's done.

MSM is allowed freedom of speech but dissenting voices are censored from the internet? Whoops your narrative falls apart rather quickly. 

Meanwhile how did your hero Perform last night? Were you one of the record few who actually watched that abortion? Trump had more people watching his state of the union address just on NPR than Xiden had across all media platforms combined. Keep trying to convince yourself he got 81 million votes. Don't strain your back moving the goalposts from "legitimate election" to "nothing to be done constitutionally now". Not to worry though, if you read what I linked above, you can see that Xiden doesn't believe in the constitution. Hence nothing to defend and protect making his "oath" of office meaningless. Why should the republicans be bound by the constitution when clearly the democrats aren't? I'll be interested to see where you move the goalposts now

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

Just how many democrats are there? It just boggles the mind.

I've posted the link to Time Magazine bragging about their (the MSM plus Big Tech) role in all this. Did you neglect to read it? Do I need to sit on your chest and read it out loud to you? Your choices are ignorance and willful ignorance. 

I agree with this National Review (hardly the most liberal rag) piece about that piece: 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/02/irresponsible-hype-from-molly-ball-and-time-magazine/

Was there progress in trying to reduce the effects of disinformation online? absolutely. I think autolabeling based on trusted fact checking helps: https://www.ifcncodeofprinciples.poynter.org/signatories 

Of course, you could fact check the fact checkers. 

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

Sadly Ms Watson was delinquent in her "investigation" of the matter. Had she merely looked at the dozens of news media outlets who all claimed counting was stopped because of a water leak, she might have learned something. But this is all moot because a judge has ruled it thus, negating the testimony of thousands of people who were never allowed due process. 

Whose due process? People who voted? or people who would file frivolous affidavits, usually from out of state?

There is a reason why the supreme court declined the writ of certiorari after seeing this junk:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/20/20-799/163004/20201208115436668_Combined.pdf

This was no Bush vs Gore

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6 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

MSM is allowed freedom of speech but dissenting voices are censored from the internet? Whoops your narrative falls apart rather quickly. 

Meanwhile how did your hero Perform last night? Were you one of the record few who actually watched that abortion? Trump had more people watching his state of the union address just on NPR than Xiden had across all media platforms combined. Keep trying to convince yourself he got 81 million votes. Don't strain your back moving the goalposts from "legitimate election" to "nothing to be done constitutionally now". Not to worry though, if you read what I linked above, you can see that Xiden doesn't believe in the constitution. Hence nothing to defend and protect making his "oath" of office meaningless. Why should the republicans be bound by the constitution when clearly the democrats aren't? I'll be interested to see where you move the goalposts now

I am sorry you don't have what you want.

You have your reasons why.

It's done.

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Ive been watching this for quite awhile, it is interesting to see who is being diminished in AZ politics. Cindy McCain was the first diminished political casualty,from that point on it has been delay delay and delay. Now that count has began with actual verification of the voting bloc.. the roar of outrage is beginning. 

I watch the progressive media just to see how they are going to address this situation, and it is a bit garbled as of yet there is not one sensational headline for AZ. It would seem they are working on voter suppression or the fundamental right of every person to vote in America with no qualification's...No RACISM as of yet for AZ, if this spills over to GA RACSIM will be deafening...

The progressive left media is beginning to stir the flames of passion which to me means the audit is a issue that needs to be dealt with very soon.

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4 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Ive been watching this for quite awhile, it is interesting to see who is being diminished in AZ politics. Cindy McCain was the first diminished political casualty,from that point on it has been delay delay and delay. Now that count has began with actual verification of the voting bloc.. the roar of outrage is beginning. 

I watch the progressive media just to see how they are going to address this situation, and it is a bit garbled as of yet there is not one sensational headline for AZ. It would seem they are working on voter suppression or the fundamental right of every person to vote in America with no qualification's...No RACISM as of yet for AZ, if this spills over to GA RACSIM will be deafening...

The progressive left media is beginning to stir the flames of passion which to me means the audit is a issue that needs to be dealt with very soon.

The auditors, unlike the MSM have managed to stay quiet about results to date. That the MSM is beyond being in the tank is obvious to all but the most blind and willfully ignorant. 

@turbguyand @surrept33 probably were asleep when I posted about the Known conflicts of interest of the "auditors" who supposedly audited Arizona before. They also likely missed the whole part about the unqualified auditors that they tried to foist on us. Because… transparency 

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1 hour ago, surrept33 said:

I agree with this National Review (hardly the most liberal rag) piece about that piece: 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/02/irresponsible-hype-from-molly-ball-and-time-magazine/

Was there progress in trying to reduce the effects of disinformation online? absolutely. I think autolabeling based on trusted fact checking helps: https://www.ifcncodeofprinciples.poynter.org/signatories 

Of course, you could fact check the fact checkers. 

Hahaha Fact check hahaha

National Review is full of Never Trumpers as is well known by all. 

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4 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Hahaha Fact check hahaha

National Review is full of Never Trumpers as is well known by all. 

Washington Post shuts down presidential fact-checking database after 100 days of Biden

Editor cites overwhelming workload

Odd it brings back old memory's of my youth...a lustful time i must say.

If I could turn the page
In time then I'd rearrange just a day or two
Close my, close my, close my eyes
But I couldn't find a way
So I'll settle for one day to believe in you
Tell me, tell me, tell me lies

Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies
Tell me lies
Tell me, tell me lies
Oh no-no, you can't disguise
You can't disguise
No, you can't disguise
Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies

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