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6 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Given that the DOJ is owned completely by the Demoncrats and always has been, this is unsurprising. It also demonstrates the mendacity of them, that they used their control of the Maricopa supervisors to stall, stall, stall, then claim with no support that the ballots needed to be moved. Everyone suspected it was a "chain of custody" ploy. Note the same people who continuously ignored chain of custody during Te election now claim it's sacrosanct. The hypocrisy is astounding with these swamp creatures. 

Mr Smith they are opening pandora's box,do you recall the supreme ct denying Trump a legal standing in regards to states election laws? Remember the constitution requires states to use their legislators to write election laws....and these states did not use the legislative process. Now the feds want to wander in and reopen the entire debacle? What lies in AZ that requires such risk's..The DOJ is playing a high stakes game here very high.

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1 hour ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

None of this matters. You're talking about a slice of a pie. 1400 years of jihad, and it's the crusades that were the failure? You're an idiot if you can't see the truth. 

Before that it's good to understand the near continuous many century war between the Byzantines (Christians) and the Sassanids (Zoroastrians):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman–Persian_Wars

They basically traded provinces back and forth until both sides were exhausted. The Arabs conquered all of Sasanian Persia and half of East Rome in only six years right at the end of those wars.

Rarely is history pretty.

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31 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Given that the DOJ is owned completely by the Demoncrats and always has been, this is unsurprising. It also demonstrates the mendacity of them, that they used their control of the Maricopa supervisors to stall, stall, stall, then claim with no support that the ballots needed to be moved. Everyone suspected it was a "chain of custody" ploy. Note the same people who continuously ignored chain of custody during Te election now claim it's sacrosanct. The hypocrisy is astounding with these swamp creatures. 

Speaking of Chain of custody, there's no excuse for taking those drives off-site for "safe keeping". Chain of custody was already broken for those vote totals. But @turbguy says there's nothing to see here, move along. Because…

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Except that the DoJ is simply doing their job:

https://www.justice.gov/crt/statutes-enforced-voting-section

It's what the Voting Rights Act, by federal law, empowers the DoJ to investigate. That's not a partisan issue. 

What's partisan? Perhaps Barr changing long standing DoJ policy: https://www.propublica.org/article/doj-frees-federal-prosecutors-to-take-steps-that-could-interfere-with-elections-weakening-long-standing-policy

Or that one time that Barr was Trump's "fixer": https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-judge-slams-ag-barr-over-mueller-report-vows-to-review-unredacted-version

 

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27 minutes ago, surrept33 said:

Except that the DoJ is simply doing their job:

https://www.justice.gov/crt/statutes-enforced-voting-section

It's what the Voting Rights Act, by federal law, empowers the DoJ to investigate. That's not a partisan issue. 

What's partisan? Perhaps Barr changing long standing DoJ policy: https://www.propublica.org/article/doj-frees-federal-prosecutors-to-take-steps-that-could-interfere-with-elections-weakening-long-standing-policy

Or that one time that Barr was Trump's "fixer": https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-judge-slams-ag-barr-over-mueller-report-vows-to-review-unredacted-version

 

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. 

Barr did nothing for Trump. That judge got to review the unredacted report, then he STFU because it was even worse for the Demoncrats without the redactions. Meanwhile where the hell is the report from Durham? Is there even such a person? 

Meanwhile Back in Arizona, perhaps you'll explain why not having access to the administrative passwords is a good thing? Dominion is in this up to their eyeballs. 

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On Nov 27, 2020 a federal appeals court rejected a Trump campaign proposal to block Biden from being declared the winner of Pennsylvania. (  here). At the time, Stephanos Bibas, on behalf of the three-judge panel wrote: “Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so." It added: “Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here."

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On Dec. 1, then-Attorney General William Barr said that the Justice Department had found no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the election, even as President Trump kept up his legal efforts to reverse his defeat (  here ). Two weeks later, Barr announced his resignation from the Trump administration (  here ).

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3 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

U.S. Justice Department worried about Arizona vote recount

The DOJ wants to guarantee that federal law is followed.

 

Arizona Senate President Karen Fann, R-Prescott, speaks to the media in Phoenix.

 

Arizona Senate President Karen Fann, R-Prescott, speaks to the media in Phoenix. | AP Photo/Ross D. Franklin, File

By ASSOCIATED PRESS

05/05/2021 10:49 PM EDT

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PHOENIX — The U.S. Department of Justice expressed concern Wednesday about ballot security and potential voter intimidation arising from the Republican-controlled Arizona Senate’s unprecedented private recount of the 2020 presidential election results in Maricopa County.

In a letter to GOP Senate President Karen Fann, the head of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division said the Senate’s farming out of 2.1 million ballots from the state’s most populous county to a contractor may run afoul of federal law requiring ballots to remain in the control of elections officials for 22 months.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/05/arizona-audit-justice-department-485505

 

 

 

The 2020 United States presidential election was the 59th quadrennial presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 3, 2020.[a] The Democraticticket of former vice president Joe Bidenand the junior U.S. senator from California Kamala Harris defeated the incumbent Republican president Donald Trump and vice president Mike Pence.[6]Trump became the first U.S. president since George H. W. Bush in the 1992 presidential election and the eleventh incumbent president in the country's history to lose a bid for a second term. Biden's 51.3% of the popular vote was also the largest percentage of the popular vote won by any challenger to an incumbent president since the 1932 presidential election.[7][8][9] The election saw the highest voter turnout by percentage since 1900,[10] with each of the two main tickets receiving more than 74 million votes, surpassing Barack Obama's record of 69.5 million votes from 2008. Biden received more than 81 million votes,[11] the most votes ever cast for a candidate in a U.S. presidential election.[12]

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5 hours ago, Boat said:

On Dec. 1, then-Attorney General William Barr said that the Justice Department had found no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the election, even as President Trump kept up his legal efforts to reverse his defeat (  here ). Two weeks later, Barr announced his resignation from the Trump administration (  here ).

Barr was paid $7 million for the decision not to investigate election fraud. His non evidence statement referred to non investigation's normal outcome. 

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5 hours ago, Boat said:

On Nov 27, 2020 a federal appeals court rejected a Trump campaign proposal to block Biden from being declared the winner of Pennsylvania. (  here). At the time, Stephanos Bibas, on behalf of the three-judge panel wrote: “Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so." It added: “Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here."

None of Trump's legal cases relied on fraud for their arguments, fraud evidence was supportive, used to illustrate the results of illegal modification of election law in the contested swing states. This was also a continuation of the circular argumentation the courts had taken throughout the election process; no harm (thus no standing) if illegal actions by governors and SOS etc. were before the elections, then after harm was done they argued the issues should have been addressed before the elections. Then the legal standard was altered from providing evidence sufficient to justify discovery to access the main evidence, which is the ballots, to proving what specific ballots had been shown to be illegal but without allowing discovery in order to access them. Thus another circular argument. 

The Federal courts were beyond irrational, they were obviously corrupt. 

 

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8 hours ago, surrept33 said:

 

 

 

Gee, they've only tallied 200k votes? I thought Trump was up by eleventy trillion.

 

Yeah, often times those tactics are straight out of the jim crow playbook.

From the NAACP: http://archive.fairvote.org/righttovote/PFAW-NAACP.pdf

 

None of these arguments carry water since you can't intimidate a voter months after the vote. They processed more than the 200k ballots, but not done with all forensics and counts of them. 

The home visit and phone survey is a fact finding to verify that multiple people living at the same address (e.g. 150 people sharing the same address for a 1 room appt.) vacant lots or had marked as voted in the registry but say they had not. Swing states used voter registries of people that do not normally vote as a resource to balance the fake ballots with the registry, matching a fake ballot with a registry entry. 

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9 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Department’s Civil Rights Division said the Senate’s farming out of 2.1 million ballots from the state’s most populous county to a contractor may run afoul of federal law requiring ballots to remain in the control of elections officials for 22 months.

There is a piece of nonsense for you. They are claiming, in essence, that only the election boards can have possession of the ballots, meaning that nobody but the people suspected of negligence or malfeasance get to touch the evidence. And to make more of a farce of this claim, Maricopa co. claim they don't have access to the passwords to their equipment and software. So they are indicating that they did not conduct the count and tabulation. How is that for control in their hands. 

Besides which, the DOJ does not have standing in the matter of legislature's particular procedures including who and when the legislature chooses to be the election officials, the election audit contractors or the election boards.  

They are making wet parsley arguments, should not get them far. 

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5 hours ago, Boat said:

The 2020 United States presidential election was the 59th quadrennial presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 3, 2020.[a] The Democraticticket of former vice president Joe Bidenand the junior U.S. senator from California Kamala Harris defeated the incumbent Republican president Donald Trump and vice president Mike Pence.[6]Trump became the first U.S. president since George H. W. Bush in the 1992 presidential election and the eleventh incumbent president in the country's history to lose a bid for a second term. Biden's 51.3% of the popular vote was also the largest percentage of the popular vote won by any challenger to an incumbent president since the 1932 presidential election.[7][8][9] The election saw the highest voter turnout by percentage since 1900,[10] with each of the two main tickets receiving more than 74 million votes, surpassing Barack Obama's record of 69.5 million votes from 2008. Biden received more than 81 million votes,[11] the most votes ever cast for a candidate in a U.S. presidential election.[12]

Census figures show that there were some 4 million fewer voters than ballots counted. Going by October registries, there were 156 mil. ballots cast for the presidential election by 144 mil voters. 

i would point out that vast cheating, more so by Dems than Reps has been a growing problem for decades. I believe Obama lost his 2nd election and won by a smaller margin than stated in his first. 

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7 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Barr did nothing for Trump. That judge got to review the unredacted report, then he STFU because it was even worse for the Demoncrats without the redactions. Meanwhile where the hell is the report from Durham? Is there even such a person? 

 

Someone posted that Durham was arrested for trying to cover up the FISA gate Russia collusion hoax investigation. Not ready to believe it since the source was really weak and picked up obviously fake info that made absolutely no sense. 

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8 hours ago, 0R0 said:

Someone posted that Durham was arrested for trying to cover up the FISA gate Russia collusion hoax investigation. Not ready to believe it since the source was really weak and picked up obviously fake info that made absolutely no sense. 

I'd be far more inclined to believe he was arrested for saying there was a cover up. He has not been heard from, not even once other than a press release saying he was resigning as Connecticut Federal Attorney while keeping his "special prosecutor" status.

Meanwhile Mueller got a dream team of 18 rabidly partisan Demoncrats to do 100% of his job while he collected paychecks. When he "testified" before Congress he played Sergeant Schultz to perfection, zeeing nussing, hearing nussing, knowing nussing. Crossfire Hurricane is the modem equivalent of the Watergate burglary, only much worse. Naturally crickets from the MSM who couldn't work harder to cover everything up if they tried. 

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The Durham probe is still going:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/second-steele-dossier-emerges-john-durham

It's quite interesting to see how Kilimnik tried to deflect the blame in 2016 of Russia election interference to the Ukraine.

In 2020, with Rudy Giuliani's help, Andrii Derkach tried to follow a similar playbook, except it was a secret "cabal" of Bidens, Soros, and ex-President of Ukraine Poroshenko: https://nabu-leaks.org/page/8/

Even Mnuchin and Pompeo had to publically disavow it this time. Poor Rudy.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/11/treasury-department-rudy-giuliani-sanctions-457460

 

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“Russian disinformation campaigns targeting American citizens are a threat to our democracy,” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said in a statement. “The United States will continue to aggressively defend the integrity of our election systems and processes.”

 
 

In his own statement acknowledging the sanctions, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Derkach “has been an active Russian agent for more than a decade, maintaining close connections with Russian intelligence services.”

 

 

 

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Maricopa County cites 'security risk' in refusing to give subpoenaed router info to 2020 election audit team

Officials in Maricopa County, Arizona, where a Republican-backed audit of the 2020 election is underway, said they cannot give the audit team access to county router information that was subpoenaed by the state Senate.

In a Monday letter sent to Ken Bennett, a former Republican secretary of state in Arizona who is serving as the Republican-led state Senate’s audit liaison, Deputy County Attorney Joseph La Rue said the county “cannot at this time provide the virtual images of routers” to be examined by auditors, citing “a significant security risk to law enforcement data utilized by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office as well as numerous federal agencies.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/maricopa-county-routers-security-risk

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Liz Cheney bombshell: Pal says on-the-outs GOP leader planned anti-Trump op-ed by 10 defense secretaries

House Republican Conference Chair Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) — who is facing possible ouster from her leadership position next week — quietly orchestrated a Washington Post op-ed by 10 living former defense secretaries cautioning that then-President Trump might attempt to politicize the military, according to a report. 

https://nypost.com/2021/05/07/pal-says-liz-cheney-planned-anti-trump-op-ed-by-10-defense-secretaries/

Still no explosive news out of AZ....yet at the same time the build to end it all is becoming out of control. What lies in AZ and beyond.

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On 5/7/2021 at 8:29 AM, surrept33 said:

Russian disinformation campaigns targeting American citizens are a threat to our democracy,” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said in a statement. “The United States will continue to aggressively defend the integrity of our election systems and processes.”

 

We've got 164 pages  here of problems with the integrity of our election systems and processes.  Great find there surreptitious. 

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On 5/6/2021 at 12:08 PM, surrept33 said:

Well, a different narrative is that the overreach of Reaganomics has a big effect on average wage growth, but not median wage growth. So it promotes inequality. Personally, I agree with Robert Reich that it's time to try something else: 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/14/joe-biden-coronavirus-covid-stimulus-trump-tax-cuts-welfare-reagan-clinton?

As with everything, Bidenomics may overreach, but perhaps it is the best for current economic conditions: https://www.heraldnet.com/opinion/comment-bidens-progressive-policies-get-a-turn-at-the-serve/

Trump just continued supply side economics. Fundamentally, it entails the government cuts tax rates – especially on the wealthy (or corporate welfare) – with the hope that the wealthy will feel more inclined to earn more money.  This will lead to higher tax revenue, which will more than offset the loss of revenue from the initial tax cuts.  The central problem is no matter how you look at the results these days (unlike the stagflation conditions of the 1980s), it doesn't work as advertised. It does help "rentiers" though. Those who can just lobby government to keep the current policies in place. The richer get richer, while the poor are accused from leaching from society. The middle class gets comparatively destroyed. 

1st: did you read the way the rich dodge taxes on the link I post above? Do you have increase tax have any meaning on the super rich? This save lots of time. Reduce taxes just attract less tax dodging as they can earn more after paying taxes with investment.

2nd The Economy of US has been always depends on QE and Treasury spending since 2008. And now we have permanent QE, something Japan got in  the last 30 years where the central bank own 40% of bonds. 

It is more in the Fed side than President would affect the economy (except about the policies for bring jobs back or more taxes to push tax to oversea after bailed out when Biden was vice president, but these generally depend con congress as well )

At the end of the day, lower interest rates currently isn't encouraging investment in manufacturing but speculations which lots of leverage. And it is currently very funny that businesses have to compete with government unemployment welfare because many labors decide to live their life without working until Biden extended the act until this September ( and who know if he will extend it again). Eventually more and more small and mid businesses owners will close their business and retire or gambling on speculation. 

And where do you think Biden current 4Trilllion plan in infrastructure  came from when they will have to think of the way of rollover 10 trillion mature bonds (debt) in 2022? If no one buy these gov bonds, Fed will have to swallow it to not bankrupt the countries because yield increase exponentially. If it is deflation, then good luck with the debt Gov currently have. The only way for Gov to pay of the debt is hyper inflation them out with the Fed artificially keep the interest low to prevent gov bankruptcy, by one way or other.

Bidenomics is nothing but eating more on the US future with no plan to pay back the debt but increase the tax with loophole so the confidence is more about to make the debt cheaper to pay. Stock currently based on speculation with heavily leverage like Archegos and most of US stock retail investors think they are genius when stock is up and because they don't really understand what mainstream don't tell. I have a very negative view  in the US economics in next 1 year as the economy now is like drug addicted guy, you stop the drug or put more the drug would kill him either way, and we expect him to stay healthy?

Which government  succeeded in spending in bigger public sectors and crony capitalism and made the mid and small businesses shrink in the history? Government is not a wealth creation sector, they are wealth distributors and the backbone of any economy is small and mid businesses, not corporations "too big to fail" nor  public sector or people who chose not to work.

US is transforming into economy with big GOV spending with big zombies depend on QE since 2008 (around 20% of SP500 pre covid19), more speculation instead of investment in manufacturing with the lock down, less mid and small business or STEM graduates , more liberal more acts and more unemployment, this has never ended well in the history. The picture mainstream sing is simply like a cheerleader  for people who don't understand about economy to get them into the ponzi scheme where the big banks/ hedge funds will benefit if they win and bailed out if they lose while the retail investors got the luxury broken dream and US becomes a welfare state. No economy in the history was able to print their money out of the problems. Most of the case economy crisis turn into wars to reset the games. This is the run to see who will collapse first between US, EU and China (where people can endure hardship more and have more gold both in the people hand or central bank, not much constraints for welfare, and easier to default debt). 

Mainstream is for lazy people to want to have a "reliable" quick way to "help" them to understand things, they break a big picture and timeline in may twisted pieces to suite the one pay for them. or to tell what people want to here, and lazy and trusty normally will have to pay for the consequences and people got hype before any recession and always think this will different this time . I love to be proven wrong in next few years. 

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On 5/5/2021 at 10:43 PM, turbguy said:

This chaos is getting good!

Some here think America's past has eliminated racism.

I think I'll sit back and watch...

Racism is normal anywhere else, especially where English or Spanish is not a native language and was not a colony, and only in the US we have the invert type of racism with reparation and feel ashamed of the Founding Fathers, without them US would not be the top. In any other country, they sing for theirs as national  heroes.

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Does it ever get tiring searching the net all day for memes, and/or creating those memes, discussing one questionable theory after another and other unrelated and unproven bits of information with each other?    You are basically going over the same things, day in and day out, related to an election that was decided months and months ago.

Americans have enviably moved beyond the pandemic in large part and can get out and do things as before, from what I understand - great for you!  Is this any way to live, constantly yammering on here to pretty much just yourselves?

The people on the left who would even put up an argument have moved on from your craziness.  You see it as being intellectually superior, especially you @Ward Smith, but really, the constant string of nonsense has tired them out and they are mostly gone.  I do check in from time to time, not sure why anymore.

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42 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

We've got 164 pages  here of problems with the integrity of our election systems and processes.  Great find there surreptitious. 

Yes, because we had a useful idiot (Trump) doing a former KGB officer's work for him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/22/us/politics/russia-disinformation-election-trump.html

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That campaign is at the heart of the disinformation efforts that the F.B.I. director, Christopher A. Wray, warned Congress last week was meant “to both sow divisiveness and discord” and “to denigrate” former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., the Democratic nominee. Mr. Trump chastised him for his comments on Twitter.

“But Chris, you don’t see any activity from China, even though it is a FAR greater threat than Russia, Russia, Russia,” he said. He went on to repeat the kind of statements the Russians have been exploiting, writing that the two countries would take advantage of “our totally vulnerable Unsolicited (Counterfeit?) Ballot Scam.”

 

 

and now the Maricopa audit team is trying to find bamboo in the ballots, because the CCP printed eleventy quintillion ballots for Xiden, what evidence? Trump told them so it must have happened. 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/05/arizona-republican-audit-bamboo-ballots-china.html?via=rss_socialflow_facebook

 

 

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15 minutes ago, surrept33 said:

Yes, because we had a useful idiot (Trump) doing a former KGB officer's work for him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/22/us/politics/russia-disinformation-election-trump.html

 

and now the Maricopa audit team is trying to find bamboo in the ballots, because the CCP printed eleventy quintillion ballots for Xiden, what evidence? Trump told them so it must have happened. 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/05/arizona-republican-audit-bamboo-ballots-china.html?via=rss_socialflow_facebook

 

 

Try harder wumao 

"Most secure and transparent election ever" liars

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2 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Try harder wumao 

"Most secure and transparent election ever" liars

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What could possibly lie in AZ that binds old school liberals/ old school republicans and progressive socialist's into one voice of resistance. 

Defying a judges order in such a high profile case, is beyond any sane person's reasoning. To compound this insanity the election committe state's they are protecting law enforcement! What a time in America,a bunch of bumbling country bumpkins protecting the FBI?....LMAO one cannot make this up in the wildest murder mystery novel.

What lies in AZ?

 

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10 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

What could possibly lie in AZ that binds old school liberals/ old school republicans and progressive socialist's into one voice of resistance. 

Defying a judges order in such a high profile case, is beyond any sane person's reasoning. To compound this insanity the election committe state's they are protecting law enforcement! What a time in America,a bunch of bumbling country bumpkins protecting the FBI?....LMAO one cannot make this up in the wildest murder mystery novel.

What lies in AZ?

 

The Arizona senate republicans sure are great at showing how crazy they are. I wonder how popular their antics will be when they are actually try to turn Maricopa red again. 

From the Republican Maricopa County board chairman:

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from the sheriff of maricopa county:

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