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8 hours ago, ronwagn said:

When a winner is apparent and then a bunch of votes just show up, that calls for an automatic investigation and a recount.  That is what should have happened. As I said "Justice delayed is justice denied", that seems to be of very little importance to you. 

Trump lost Michigan because he lost the suburbs. 

This was not particularly news:

https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/26516/selweski_trump_unlikely_to_feel_the_macomb_county_love_this_time

The only people who thought that Michigan was "apparently" in the bag for Trump was the "alt"-media, aka the right wing filter bubble. 

The rest of the world knew that there were a ton of votes still coming from the more populous counties. 

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2 hours ago, surrept33 said:

Trump lost Michigan because he lost the suburbs. 

This was not particularly news:

https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/26516/selweski_trump_unlikely_to_feel_the_macomb_county_love_this_time

The only people who thought that Michigan was "apparently" in the bag for Trump was the "alt"-media, aka the right wing filter bubble. 

The rest of the world knew that there were a ton of votes still coming from the more populous counties. 

Talk about fake news. You quoted an opinion piece? He didn't even "lose" suburbs, he (apparently) didn't win by as YUGE a margin as before. Not even close to the same thing, not to mention voting machine "irregularities" now categorized as "human error". You're apparently having trouble with this, do I need to explain it to you using crayon? 

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7 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Talk about fake news. You quoted an opinion piece? He didn't even "lose" suburbs, he (apparently) didn't win by as YUGE a margin as before. Not even close to the same thing, not to mention voting machine "irregularities" now categorized as "human error". You're apparently having trouble with this, do I need to explain it to you using crayon? 

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See https://www.clickondetroit.com/decision-2020/2020/11/10/how-detroits-oakland-county-suburbs-voted-in-2020-presidential-election/#//

Oakland county was probably the single largest reason why Trump lost Michigan. The same pattern can be seen throughout other suburban counties through the country.

The bellwethers change all the time. Your infographic is irrelevant. 

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58 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Talk about fake news. You quoted an opinion piece? He didn't even "lose" suburbs, he (apparently) didn't win by as YUGE a margin as before. Not even close to the same thing, not to mention voting machine "irregularities" now categorized as "human error". You're apparently having trouble with this, do I need to explain it to you using crayon? 

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What Lies In AZ?

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4 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

What Lies In AZ?

Or maybe Montana?

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/06/17/arizona-montana-election-audit-ac360-tuchman-pkg-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

 

From Arizona Republic:

Ben Cotton, founder of tech firm CyFIR, a Senate subcontractor, made copies of the county's election server and other election data and then drove the copies to a "secure lab" in Montana, according to Senate liaison Ken Bennett. The Senate was given county voters' private information, but Bennett said he doesn't know if Cotton has copies of that in Montana.

It appears that the "secure lab" might be a log cabin home owned by Cotton in the northern Montana wilderness. Bennett said he didn't know, and Cotton and Cyber Ninjas, the Senate's main contractors, refuse to answer questions.

 

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4 hours ago, surrept33 said:

Trump lost Michigan because he lost the suburbs. 

This was not particularly news:

https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/26516/selweski_trump_unlikely_to_feel_the_macomb_county_love_this_time

The only people who thought that Michigan was "apparently" in the bag for Trump was the "alt"-media, aka the right wing filter bubble. 

The rest of the world knew that there were a ton of votes still coming from the more populous counties. 

Those ballot counts are fake. 

While it is true that inner suburbs have lightened up on Rep support because of the move of the Black and Hispanic middle classes out of the cities, Those voters were substituted for in their cities of origin by fake ballots, which gave Biden the entirety of his lead.. The analysis is wrong.

There second issue is the operation of vote shifting in the Red counties where systemically - by algorithm - votes were flipped from Trump to Biden at increasing rates the more "Red" a county's history. See Dr. Shiva's analysis of voting patterns in MI among other locations. They are quoted on this thread and other election fraud threads. 

It is dangerous to conduct political analysis of trends based on a blatantly fraudulent election.

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48 minutes ago, surrept33 said:

Or maybe Montana?

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/06/17/arizona-montana-election-audit-ac360-tuchman-pkg-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

 

From Arizona Republic:

Ben Cotton, founder of tech firm CyFIR, a Senate subcontractor, made copies of the county's election server and other election data and then drove the copies to a "secure lab" in Montana, according to Senate liaison Ken Bennett. The Senate was given county voters' private information, but Bennett said he doesn't know if Cotton has copies of that in Montana.

It appears that the "secure lab" might be a log cabin home owned by Cotton in the northern Montana wilderness. Bennett said he didn't know, and Cotton and Cyber Ninjas, the Senate's main contractors, refuse to answer questions.

 

In both state's for that matter, ive seen enough to almost embrace ORO explosive thoughts/speculations. It is time to dig deep with no regards to outcomes.

I also am of the belief that Trump was taken out of his presidency by corporate media and manufacturing. Had we not experienced covid Trump would have won,to the point a trade war would have occurred with China. And that would have led to the expulsion of of these corps...Trillions of dollars lost and US infrastructure...That is the black hole in this country. 

We shall see if the above maddeness did occur with this audit in AZ..I for one do not think the DOJ will not allow this audit to gain anymore traction than it already has.

What lies in AZ.

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5 hours ago, surrept33 said:

Trump lost Michigan because he lost the suburbs. 

This was not particularly news:

https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/26516/selweski_trump_unlikely_to_feel_the_macomb_county_love_this_time

The only people who thought that Michigan was "apparently" in the bag for Trump was the "alt"-media, aka the right wing filter bubble. 

The rest of the world knew that there were a ton of votes still coming from the more populous counties. 

I was referring to all of the contested states, not Michigan alone. All irregularities need to be investigated to prevent further cheating by anyone or any group. That cheating also includes the silencing of President Trump and other conservatives that took place just before the election. It also includes the information about the Biden family abuses of power for financial gain that was censored, and the sexual perversion and drug abuse. It was all censored as much as possible. Many Democrats say they would not have voted for Biden if they new all the infomation that was not reported. 

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On 6/16/2021 at 12:27 PM, Ward Smith said:

You quote the Washington comPost? How many times have they been right? I'll go with what is 1% Alex. There's never any question of whether the comPost is wrong, just How long until they're caught. This the hill you want to die on, really? 

China is actually supporting the major newspapers to some extent. Our own government feeds them stories as they deem fit. 

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2 hours ago, surrept33 said:

See https://www.clickondetroit.com/decision-2020/2020/11/10/how-detroits-oakland-county-suburbs-voted-in-2020-presidential-election/#//

Oakland county was probably the single largest reason why Trump lost Michigan. The same pattern can be seen throughout other suburban counties through the country.

The bellwethers change all the time. Your infographic is irrelevant. 

Bellwethers are very slow to change, but they can change. In this case nearly all of them changed. That indicates fraud. Oakland County probably got millions from Zuckerberg to get out the vote. He focused all his donations on liberal vote turnout. 

 

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27 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

In both state's for that matter, ive seen enough to almost embrace ORO explosive thoughts/speculations. It is time to dig deep with no regards to outcomes.

I also am of the belief that Trump was taken out of his presidency by corporate media and manufacturing. Had we not experienced covid Trump would have won,to the point a trade war would have occurred with China. And that would have led to the expulsion of of these corps...Trillions of dollars lost and US infrastructure...That is the black hole in this country. 

We shall see if the above maddeness did occur with this audit in AZ..I for one do not think the DOJ will not allow this audit to gain anymore traction than it already has.

What lies in AZ.

Please clarify your double negative in your second to last sentence.

 

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9 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

China is actually supporting the major newspapers to some extent. Our own government feeds them stories as they deem fit. 

Try the following goggle Investments in China.

AT&T 

Comcast

Time Warner

Bloomberg 

Apple

Trillions of dollars 

You will find AT&T is the parent company to almost every major network media in the US.

CNN only survives due to the deep pockets of AT&T, today Martha Stewart's food network has better ratings. CNN IS facing lawsuits that might exceed 500 million dollars. Yet the mgmt team and the pundits are still in place..Now I ask you how does that work in a capital run corporation...It  does not.

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1 minute ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Try the following goggle Investments in China.

AT&T 

Comcast

Time Warner

Bloomberg 

Apple

Trillions of dollars 

You will find AT&T is the parent company to almost every major network media in the US.

CNN only survives due to the deep pockets of AT&T, today Martha Stewart's food network has better ratings. CNN IS facing lawsuits that might exceed 500 million dollars. Yet the mgmt team and the pundits are still in place..Now I ask you how does that work in a capital run corporation...It  does not.

China would never allow American investors to even try doing anything that interferes with their government or the opinions of their people. Our populace needs to be informed of all such investments. How do you track them?

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8 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Please clarify your double negative in your second to last sentence.

 

The DOJ can and most probably will a attempt a intervention into AZ if the results prove to be damaging. They could very well invoke civil rights violations, and that is not a difficult task what so ever. It can be a highly speculative interpretation...highly.

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3 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

China would never allow American investors to even try doing anything that interferes with their government or the opinions of their people. Our populace needs to be informed of all such investments. How do you track them?

Ron not their government ours, Trump was only in the very beginning of trade balancing, then covid hit.

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2 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

The DOJ can and most probably will a attempt a intervention into AZ if the results prove to be damaging. They could very well invoke civil rights violations, and that is not a difficult task what so ever. It can be a highly speculative interpretation...highly.

I think that their intervention will look very transparent to the majority of people who are honestly looking at election fraud. It will not be accepted as anything other than bald interference to them.

 

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17 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

I think that their intervention will look very transparent to the majority of people who are honestly looking at election fraud. It will not be accepted as anything other than bald interference to them.

 

May I remind you of the Russian COLLUSION narrative. It was proven to be falsified and corrupting the fisa courts along the way...In the dark of night a few received a slap on the hand and were told bad boy. Adam Schiff suddenly left Washington politics...so quietly.

Then there was general Flynn, taken all the way to the judgement plank only to have Barr intervene. It is now known the FBI with held evidence that would have cleared Flynn..Today the US court system still cannot muster the courage to clean that mess up.

 

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2 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

May I remind you of the Russian COLLUSION narrative. It was proven to be falsified and corrupting the fisa courts along the way...In the dark of night a few received a slap on the hand and were told bad boy. Adam Schiff suddenly left Washington politics...so quietly.

Then there was general Flynn, taken all the way to the judgement plank only to have Barr intervene. It is now known the FBI with held evidence that would have cleared Flynn..Today the US court system still cannot muster the courage to clean that mess up.

 

FBI is now FIB. Actually damned liars would be more appropriate. The same is true of our government who is now hiring private contractors to spy on the American people and using the USPS which is also now private and siphoning money off the American people. They need to be truly privatized. 

My USPS Topic https://docs.google.com/document/d/14eYBbtNv2fDBCr-UPLyN1f_j1CqrxkJJMjcKQqBviRs/edit

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1 hour ago, ronwagn said:

FBI is now FIB. Actually damned liars would be more appropriate. The same is true of our government who is now hiring private contractors to spy on the American people and using the USPS which is also now private and siphoning money off the American people. They need to be truly privatized. 

My USPS Topic https://docs.google.com/document/d/14eYBbtNv2fDBCr-UPLyN1f_j1CqrxkJJMjcKQqBviRs/edit

FBI is now FIB??? you do realize what a FIB is? ______ Illionis Bastard.........   FIB, or ________ Illinois Bastard, is a rather nasty term used by Wisconsinites to describe anyone driving a car with Illinois plates. We really need a wall between the  Illinois and Wisconsin border to keep the lunatics out of Wisconsin from South of the border.

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2 hours ago, ronwagn said:

I was referring to all of the contested states, not Michigan alone. All irregularities need to be investigated to prevent further cheating by anyone or any group. That cheating also includes the silencing of President Trump and other conservatives that took place just before the election. It also includes the information about the Biden family abuses of power for financial gain that was censored, and the sexual perversion and drug abuse. It was all censored as much as possible. Many Democrats say they would not have voted for Biden if they new all the infomation that was not reported. 

I prefer FBLie as their moniker

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The memes just write themselves

 

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17 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

The memes just write themselves

 

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Sounds very believable. The source for this recent conspiracy theory is apparently Tucker Carlson and his white supremist buddies? Lol. 

 

from the WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/16/tucker-carlsons-tinfoil-hat-theory-blaming-fbi-jan-6/

 

 

 

It’s been more than five months since President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, and those seeking to deflect blame still can’t figure out exactly how to do so. First, the idea was that the riot was provoked by antifa. Then it was that it was preplanned, so Trump couldn’t have incited it. Then it was that the riots weren’t really that bad or that they were even “peaceful,” despite the violence and deaths. None of those arguments is borne out by the evidence available.

 

But now we’ve got a new entry in this long-running quest for a conspiracy theory that will stick: That perhaps the riot was actually the work … of the FBI?

Fox News host Tucker Carlson wove just such a tangled, conspiratorial web Tuesday night.

 

Carlson’s theory is essentially that the presence of unindicted co-conspirators in the Capitol riot indictments means those people are government agents and that this, in turn, means the FBI was involved in organizing the riot. The idea has since caught on with conspiratorially minded congressional Republicans.

 

There are myriad problems with this. But first, let’s get to the argument.

The theory follows Carlson’s well-established style of asking extremely suggestive questions with little basis in evidence — and which are easily disputed — and then treating the answers he likes as fact to build a narrative he prefers. I’ll quote him at-length:

Strangely, some of the key people who participated on Jan. 6 have not been charged. Look at the document. The government calls those people unindicted co-conspirators. What does that mean? Well, it means that in potentially every single case, they were FBI operatives.

Carlson goes on to cite two unindicted co-conspirators in the indictment against alleged Capitol rioter Thomas Caldwell. The government alleges Caldwell conspired with members of the extremist “Oath Keepers” to storm the Capitol. “Person Two” was someone Caldwell stayed with at his hotel. “Person Three” was someone Caldwell identified as being involved in a “quick reaction force.”

Tucker Carlson's latest take on the Jan. 6th attack on the capitol is that it was actually an FBI false flag pic.twitter.com/s87r1eQYSU

— nikki mccann ramírez (@NikkiMcR) June 16, 2021

Here’s where Carlson gets to the crux of his conspiracy theory:

 
But wait, here’s the interesting thing: Person Two and Person Three were organizers of the riot. The government knows who they are, but the government has not charged them. Why is that?
You know why: They were almost certainly working for the FBI. So, FBI operatives were organizing the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, according to government documents.
And those two are not alone. In all, Revolver News reported there are, quote, “upwards of 20 unindicted co-conspirators in the Oath Keeper indictments, all playing various roles in the conspiracy who have not been charged for virtually the exact same activities, and in some cases, much, much more severe activities as those named alongside them in the indictments.”
Huh? So it turns out that this “white supremacist” insurrection was, again by the government’s own admission in these documents, organized at least in part by government agents.

Carlson goes on to note that FBI Director Christopher A. Wray has said the government has aimed to infiltrate extremist groups like the Oath Keepers, which shouldn’t really be a surprise to anyone.

 

The theory was promoted Wednesday by Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.).

The first thing to emphasize is that Carlson’s theory is based on a report in Revolver News. The site is run by Darren Beattie, who appeared on Carlson’s show shortly after the above monologue. If that name sounds familiar, it’s because Beattie is a former Trump White House speechwriter who was fired in 2018 over a past appearance on a panel with a white nationalist, Peter Brimelow, at a conference attended by well-known white nationalists.

 

The second and perhaps most important point is that the basis of Carlson’s theory — that the unindicted co-conspirators are either likely or must be government agents — is extremely shaky.

Legal experts say the government literally cannot name an undercover agent as an unindicted co-conspirator.

 

“There are many reasons why an indictment would reference unindicted co-conspirators, but their status as FBI agents is not one of them,” said Jens David Ohlin, a criminal law professor at Cornell Law School.

Added Lisa Kern Griffin of Duke University Law School: “Undercover officers and informants can’t be ‘co-conspirators’ for the purposes of establishing an agreement to violate the law, because they are only pretending to agree to do so. … An unindicted co-conspirator has committed the crime of conspiracy, and investigative agents doing their jobs undercover are not committing crimes.”

 

Among the other possible reasons someone might be listed as an unindicted co-conspirator:

  • The government doesn’t know who they are.
  • The government doesn’t have sufficient evidence to indict them and wants to avoid impugning their reputations or compromising ongoing investigations.
  • They have secured leniency from the government for cooperation with investigations into others.

While all of these are plausible, that last one seems like a distinct possibility. We already know that a founding member of the Oath Keepers, Jon Ryan Schaffer, has agreed to cooperate.

 

In addition, you don’t need to look any further than the Caldwell indictment to see that we should hardly assume the unindicted co-conspirators are government agents.

The first time the indictment references one, it says, “The Oath Keepers are led by PERSON ONE.” That person is easily identifiable as Stewart Rhodes. There’s no evidence he is a secret government agent.

And there is reason to believe one of the two unidentified co-conspirators Carlson focused on might actually be Caldwell’s wife. Caldwell’s indictment says, “CALDWELL and PERSON TWO took ‘selfie’ photographs of themselves on the balcony and in other areas on the perimeter of the Capitol.” The Washington Post has reported that Caldwell posted images to Facebook while writing, “Us storming the castle. Please share. Sharon is right with me. I am such an instigator!” Caldwell’s wife, who has not been charged with a crime, was not otherwise referenced in his indictment, despite being present near him in the Capitol.

 
 

Even if we set aside these reasons to disbelieve Carlson’s theory and the fact that the government isn’t supposed to cite government agents as unindicted co-conspirators, it’s still a massive leap to assume that these people were government agents. Carlson initially raises this as a supposedly likely possibility, but then essentially treats it as fact.

Is it possible it’s right? Virtually anything is possible. There’s just no genuine reason to believe it, despite Carlson’s presentation.

“Tucker Carlson and Revolver News make a speculative inflammatory leap that may play well with their audiences,” said Ira P. Robbins, a professor at American University’s law school who has studied unindicted co-conspirators, “but which may lack any basis in reality.”

 

Carlson also says that the insurrection was, “by the government’s own admission in these documents, organized at least in part by government agents,” which goes quite a bit further than merely suggesting the possibility that the government had infiltrated the organizations involved. It’s the kind of suggestion journalists in other organizations would quite possibly be fired for if they sought to push it nearly as hard.

But for Carlson, it’s just the latest segment.

 

 

 

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Sounds very believable. The source for this recent conspiracy theory is apparently Tucker Carlson and his white supremist buddies? Lol. 

 

from the WaPo:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/16/tucker-carlsons-tinfoil-hat-theory-blaming-fbi-jan-6/

 

 

 

It’s been more than five months since President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, and those seeking to deflect blame still can’t figure out exactly how to do so. First, the idea was that the riot was provoked by antifa. Then it was that it was preplanned, so Trump couldn’t have incited it. Then it was that the riots weren’t really that bad or that they were even “peaceful,” despite the violence and deaths. None of those arguments is borne out by the evidence available.

 

But now we’ve got a new entry in this long-running quest for a conspiracy theory that will stick: That perhaps the riot was actually the work … of the FBI?

Fox News host Tucker Carlson wove just such a tangled, conspiratorial web Tuesday night.

 

Carlson’s theory is essentially that the presence of unindicted co-conspirators in the Capitol riot indictments means those people are government agents and that this, in turn, means the FBI was involved in organizing the riot. The idea has since caught on with conspiratorially minded congressional Republicans.

 

There are myriad problems with this. But first, let’s get to the argument.

The theory follows Carlson’s well-established style of asking extremely suggestive questions with little basis in evidence — and which are easily disputed — and then treating the answers he likes as fact to build a narrative he prefers. I’ll quote him at-length:

Strangely, some of the key people who participated on Jan. 6 have not been charged. Look at the document. The government calls those people unindicted co-conspirators. What does that mean? Well, it means that in potentially every single case, they were FBI operatives.

Carlson goes on to cite two unindicted co-conspirators in the indictment against alleged Capitol rioter Thomas Caldwell. The government alleges Caldwell conspired with members of the extremist “Oath Keepers” to storm the Capitol. “Person Two” was someone Caldwell stayed with at his hotel. “Person Three” was someone Caldwell identified as being involved in a “quick reaction force.”

Tucker Carlson's latest take on the Jan. 6th attack on the capitol is that it was actually an FBI false flag pic.twitter.com/s87r1eQYSU

— nikki mccann ramírez (@NikkiMcR) June 16, 2021

Here’s where Carlson gets to the crux of his conspiracy theory:

 
But wait, here’s the interesting thing: Person Two and Person Three were organizers of the riot. The government knows who they are, but the government has not charged them. Why is that?
You know why: They were almost certainly working for the FBI. So, FBI operatives were organizing the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, according to government documents.
And those two are not alone. In all, Revolver News reported there are, quote, “upwards of 20 unindicted co-conspirators in the Oath Keeper indictments, all playing various roles in the conspiracy who have not been charged for virtually the exact same activities, and in some cases, much, much more severe activities as those named alongside them in the indictments.”
Huh? So it turns out that this “white supremacist” insurrection was, again by the government’s own admission in these documents, organized at least in part by government agents.

Carlson goes on to note that FBI Director Christopher A. Wray has said the government has aimed to infiltrate extremist groups like the Oath Keepers, which shouldn’t really be a surprise to anyone.

 

The theory was promoted Wednesday by Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.).

The first thing to emphasize is that Carlson’s theory is based on a report in Revolver News. The site is run by Darren Beattie, who appeared on Carlson’s show shortly after the above monologue. If that name sounds familiar, it’s because Beattie is a former Trump White House speechwriter who was fired in 2018 over a past appearance on a panel with a white nationalist, Peter Brimelow, at a conference attended by well-known white nationalists.

 

The second and perhaps most important point is that the basis of Carlson’s theory — that the unindicted co-conspirators are either likely or must be government agents — is extremely shaky.

Legal experts say the government literally cannot name an undercover agent as an unindicted co-conspirator.

 

“There are many reasons why an indictment would reference unindicted co-conspirators, but their status as FBI agents is not one of them,” said Jens David Ohlin, a criminal law professor at Cornell Law School.

Added Lisa Kern Griffin of Duke University Law School: “Undercover officers and informants can’t be ‘co-conspirators’ for the purposes of establishing an agreement to violate the law, because they are only pretending to agree to do so. … An unindicted co-conspirator has committed the crime of conspiracy, and investigative agents doing their jobs undercover are not committing crimes.”

 

Among the other possible reasons someone might be listed as an unindicted co-conspirator:

  • The government doesn’t know who they are.
  • The government doesn’t have sufficient evidence to indict them and wants to avoid impugning their reputations or compromising ongoing investigations.
  • They have secured leniency from the government for cooperation with investigations into others.

While all of these are plausible, that last one seems like a distinct possibility. We already know that a founding member of the Oath Keepers, Jon Ryan Schaffer, has agreed to cooperate.

 

In addition, you don’t need to look any further than the Caldwell indictment to see that we should hardly assume the unindicted co-conspirators are government agents.

The first time the indictment references one, it says, “The Oath Keepers are led by PERSON ONE.” That person is easily identifiable as Stewart Rhodes. There’s no evidence he is a secret government agent.

And there is reason to believe one of the two unidentified co-conspirators Carlson focused on might actually be Caldwell’s wife. Caldwell’s indictment says, “CALDWELL and PERSON TWO took ‘selfie’ photographs of themselves on the balcony and in other areas on the perimeter of the Capitol.” The Washington Post has reported that Caldwell posted images to Facebook while writing, “Us storming the castle. Please share. Sharon is right with me. I am such an instigator!” Caldwell’s wife, who has not been charged with a crime, was not otherwise referenced in his indictment, despite being present near him in the Capitol.

 
 

Even if we set aside these reasons to disbelieve Carlson’s theory and the fact that the government isn’t supposed to cite government agents as unindicted co-conspirators, it’s still a massive leap to assume that these people were government agents. Carlson initially raises this as a supposedly likely possibility, but then essentially treats it as fact.

Is it possible it’s right? Virtually anything is possible. There’s just no genuine reason to believe it, despite Carlson’s presentation.

“Tucker Carlson and Revolver News make a speculative inflammatory leap that may play well with their audiences,” said Ira P. Robbins, a professor at American University’s law school who has studied unindicted co-conspirators, “but which may lack any basis in reality.”

 

Carlson also says that the insurrection was, “by the government’s own admission in these documents, organized at least in part by government agents,” which goes quite a bit further than merely suggesting the possibility that the government had infiltrated the organizations involved. It’s the kind of suggestion journalists in other organizations would quite possibly be fired for if they sought to push it nearly as hard.

But for Carlson, it’s just the latest segment.

 

 

 

Why would any reasonable person believe the "entertainment" spoken by Tucker Carlson?

The right-wing's "justification" for the events of January 6th evolve as often as Qanon's "date of importance".

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5 hours ago, surrept33 said:

It’s been more than five months since President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, and those seeking to deflect blame still can’t figure out exactly how to do so. First, the idea was that the riot was provoked by antifa. Then it was that it was preplanned, so Trump couldn’t have incited it. Then it was that the riots weren’t really that bad or that they were even “peaceful,” despite the violence and deaths. None of those arguments is borne out by the evidence available.

 

Lets fix the article's main paragraph to make it true.

it's been more than five months  since FBI agents and assets, DNC organized Antifa, and CNN recruited actors posed as Trump supporters and broke windows while actual Trump supporters were invited in through the East doorway and waled the rotunda in between the velvet ropes. And the Democrats and law distortion agencies sought to maintain the claim that their false flag operation intended to create the impression that Trump supporters are terrorists, was real. The FBI then leaked or disclosed in court that it was preplanned by small groups of Antifa, BLM, Ukrainian Nationalists imported by Soros, separately bused in , FBI infiltrators into organizations into oath keepers, proud boys (led by FBI informant) that are usually Trump supporters. That Trump supporters didn't start arriving in numbers till an hour past the "breach" of the capitol. Then the truth came out from the FBI that nobody was armed, that the people who died were from causes unrelated to the riots or killed by a Capitol Police special agent. Then  footage came out showing Capitol Police vacating their positions at barricades and entryways while Trump supporters plead with them to do their jobs and pull down Antifa thugs breaking  windows. Then Capitol Police were shown to throw flash grenades and tear gas into crowds of peaceful protesters telling the police they love them. None of the vicious claims of a Trump led insurrection were supported by any of the facts. Video keeps turning up showing Capitol Police releasing magnetic locks on the doors, Antifa breaking in, Trumpers invited in. NSA leaks that Capitol police and National Guard were deliberately kept at minimal numbers or hours away by Pelosi and McConnel, Bowser and their allies. 

The poor "journalist" who concocted the party line story coverage with nothing but staged "events" and false claims to back it up is now trying to claim that the evidence shown is somehow false while the story is not.

As is clear, extra contortions are needed to prevent this from blowing back on the Dems and law distortion FBI DOJ that their Terrorist Trump narrative kabuki play were criminal acts on their behalf. That they are the criminal usurpers of the Federal government. That the MSM was part and parcel of this criminal conspiracy.

The fine legal points saying that the FBI agents were not liable for the events they created and led fail because it appears that they were the organizers, while the people being charged are those fooled by them into participating. That makes the legal arguments fall into reverse, making it an abuse of power and removing criminal immunity from the FBI and other agencies' personnel and assets. The legal test is whether the event would have happened without them. If it proves out that the events were their creation, then they are not immune for the actions. "Following orders" then stops becoming a protective shield but becomes a tether by which their bosses get torn down and brought into court. 

The bottom line was that the "insurrection" was simply a means to stop the public revelation of election fraud evidence on national TV. So if they managed to smear Trump and his supporters (AKA "white supremacist" violent extremists in their lexicon of fakery) while they are at it, then all the better. 

They are being caught out in the lies, the staging, the planning, the hiding of evidence, the infiltration and radicalization of otherwise peaceful organizations as policy by the professional class in the security agencies - not only the Democrats. Just one more fraud by a fraudulent government elected by fraud and subversion, acting for decades to defraud the people of the republic for money and power.

 

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/huge-development-nsa-reveals-foia-response-fbi-involved-improper-surveillance-16000-americans/

NSA rats out the FBI

The National Security Agency has agreed to produce records about the FBI’s illegal snooping on 16,000 Americans, according to a letter that I received from the NSA this afternoon, and that suggests a political fight between the two agencies.

War of the agencies goes public once again. Q narrative being put in the public arena. FBI sits on Capitol videos to hide their complicity, will not release-even to the court, NSA drops them into social media and alt-journalists. 

NSA torpedo's FBI obfuscation and delay campaign. Points fat arrow at criminal organization within the highest ranks of the FBI. 

They will release material like a big barf all over the FBI. Waiting for the CIA disclosure, wonder if there is an FOIA request for the NSA to reveal CIA misconduct at home, coordination of treason with CCP, soviets, etc., involvement in drug trade and human trafficking. 

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