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6 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

The CCP sells their vast labor pool as if those humans are their personal slaves. But why not? They are. 

 

Wage slavery is slavery.

Your favourite politician brags about slavery rates being the highest ever. "Nobody enslaves like me."

Keep selling made-in-China garbage at Walmart for inconsiderate compensation in the land of FREEDOM!   Don't forget to bring your alloted food stamps to work...

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Let’s give Trump a little credit for slowing immigration. Just like Obama did. But GW and his group of Republicans brought in massive amounts of illegal and legal immigrants to the joy of corporations. Biden as an early act wants to bump immigration when unemployment has spiked just like Obama did after the last crash.

My conspiracy theory thinks low wages with little to no benefits distorts the markets creating low pay and few benefits to compete. We need to quit shipping in workers and distorting capitalism.

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20 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

You don't understand the concept of post scarcity.  With no scarcity, everyone is provided for.

With unlimited production everything becomes monetarily worthless due to oversupply.  With unlimited clean energy (e.g. cold fusion), automation, and AI it is theoretically possible.

Some think that current scarcity levels are on purpose as a means of control.  If you weren't broke you wouldn't go to a job you hate only to make enough money for food and shelter so you can go back to work the next day...

 

WTF are you talking about??  Why can't you ever address the topic with your reply?. 

When there is a 'scarcity' who allocates the necessities?  That was my question. 

In a thread about US Presidential elections, in a post talking about the next economic era (obviously moving away from capitalism toward socialism) you bring up cold fusion and babble about working a job you hate??   So frustrating.

 

  

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15 minutes ago, Bob D said:

WTF are you talking about??  Why can't you ever address the topic with your reply?. 

When there is a 'scarcity' who allocates the necessities?  That was my question. 

In a thread about US Presidential elections, in a post talking about the next economic era (obviously moving away from capitalism toward socialism) you bring up cold fusion and babble about working a job you hate??   So frustrating.

 

  

There is no scarcity!  Read it again.

It's a fantasy like on Star Trek.  No money because unlimited energy makes everything free from the replicator.  You don't work to get money just to buy things because the things are free. Unlimited supply makes zero demand.

I, personally, am not a slave.  I was just an indentured servant but paid my debt.

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4 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

 

That guy used to be funny.  Now he is playing fools like you to make a lot of money. 

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12 minutes ago, Boat said:

Let’s give Trump a little credit for slowing immigration. Just like Obama did. But GW and his group of Republicans brought in massive amounts of illegal and legal immigrants to the joy of corporations. Biden as an early act wants to bump immigration when unemployment has spiked just like Obama did after the last crash.

My conspiracy theory thinks low wages with little to no benefits distorts the markets creating low pay and few benefits to compete. We need to quit shipping in workers and distorting capitalism.

Did someone hack your identity?  You're going to lose your Liberal bona fides.

 

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3 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

There is no scarcity!  Read it again.

It's a fantasy like on Star Trek.  No money because unlimited energy makes everything free from the replicator.  You don't work to get money just to buy things because the things are free. Unlimited supply makes zero demand.

You couldn't be more dense.  Or maybe you could.  Who knows the depth of your inability to comprehend.

I asked Jay "When there is a scarcity who allocates the necessities?"  That question was posed to Jay based his comment that we are moving from a capitalist to a more socialist economy in the US Pres elections thread.  So, let's try again ... as we move a way from capitalism, toward socialism I asked what I thought was a very simple question "Who controls the necessities if their is a scarcity?"

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11 minutes ago, Bob D said:

You couldn't be more dense.  Or maybe you could.  Who knows the depth of your inability to comprehend.

I asked Jay "When there is a scarcity who allocates the necessities?"  That question was posed to Jay based his comment that we are moving from a capitalist to a more socialist economy in the US Pres elections thread.  So, let's try again ... as we move a way from capitalism, toward socialism I asked what I thought was a very simple question "Who controls the necessities if their is a scarcity?"

You are not keeping up.

Post scarcity is a world where technological advances have abolished scarcity.  Do not continue asking what happens when there is scarcity in a scarcity free world, just remember there is no scarcity and therefore no capitalism or even need for money.

Think of air - it is readily available to everyone and therefore it is worthless. What if food, or new cars, were like air?

Watch this,  not my actual views but it conveys the idea.

 

 

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There will NEVER be a world where there is no scarcity.  In fact the entire premise is BS.  Technological advances in 2020 create scarcity. (Lithium Cobalt ventilators).  Freaking unicorns and free money everywhere.  There will never be a world in which there is no scarcity.  

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4 minutes ago, Bob D said:

There will NEVER be a world where there is no scarcity.  In fact the entire premise is BS.  Technological advances in 2020 create scarcity. (Lithium Cobalt ventilators).  Freaking unicorns and free money everywhere.  There will never be a world in which there is no scarcity.  

Ding ding.  It finally clicked and you came up with a valid rebuttal!

Perhaps when I told you it required cold fusion and was like a Star Trek fantasy you might have put it together....

Watch the video.

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4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The new pollution will be far less than the old pollution that it displaces. We will have a net decrease in pollution.

We export a tremendous amount of art, the movie and music industry for example.

Corruption is indeed a problem in every facet of humanity, the goal is to minimize. A lot of people enjoy what they do and work hard because they want to. Others won't need to work much at all to have a nice basic lifestyle. How exactly we will balance that will depend greatly on how exactly the economic singularity unfolds. We don't have all the answers but we do know that almost all cost curves are decreasing and converging toward an asymptote.

Satiation of demand is more achievable than most think. The younger generation of today is already showing a significant decrease in demand for things and more demand for experiences. Much of this can be attributed to the convergence of low cost technology. Consider how many devices a smartphone replaces and how much space it saves (you no longer need a whole house to store your stuff, it all fits in your pocket) while providing far more capability at lower cost than all those discreet devices that we used to want to own. Some want the $1,000 phone as status symbol but a lot of people are starting to look at that as silly and pretentious as a $300 phone every three years is perfectly fine. When most people aren't impressed with another's $1000 phone the market for them as status symbols will disappear. After phones will be brain implants and with that we will head rapidly toward the asymptote. 

 

-Pollutions depend on the measurements units, CO2? Land of forests removed? Cubic of liquid and solid chemicals waste? With all of the different form of wastes, CO2 is the easiest "waste"  to deal with by nature. Expecting 100 to 1000 times more of these toxic chemicals and liquid wastes if you want to trade CO2 for them.

A lot of people enjoy what they do and work hard because they want to

- Strongly disagrees. Example were  the collective farms model. People are easy to corrupt themselves and only working hard because they want to secure more for retirements, their children futures, or to show off by their living standards. People will not work hard or compete  to improve productivity for empty promises. Because people are easily to corrupted themselves, that why we have corrupted gov or capitalists, because they are people themselves. 

Satiation of demand is more achievable than most think. The younger generation of today is already showing a significant decrease in demand for things and more demand for experiences.

-Strongly disagree. I were born in a poor country. Back then we have a solid pair of scissors and use it for many years until it broke (around 5 years). How many pair of scissors in your house today? How many of items your house have nowadays comparing when you were born and how often do you change it? Behind each of these items there are many industries: mining, energy, transporting, marketing, distributing & retails.

-The demand of energy simply serves the above industries for the world consumption. You cannot expect people to eat energy directly. You cannot expect people pay more tax to subsidies for clean energy which will employ them back and everyone will be better off. Productivity is only half of the equation, aka time resource, the other half is the resources to improve productivity. The green new deal create the demand and consumptions, the problem is the resources people & the earth can have to pay for these.

-The cheaper smartphone came from productivity, competition, and the capital in R&D, patterns, manufacturing were paid off/stolen overtime and more competitions to cut off the profits margin. It does not mean it is cheaper because if need less resources unless you can conjure it from thin air.

The brutal truth for the green new deal  is not for the futures of the world (with more mining and pollutions and less trees) but for stocks and subsidies that give good return to early investors like a Ponzi scheme. Why all the mining for the lithium battery materials are in developing countries and have to be manufacturing in China? Because the cost of pollution out there cheap. Reduce these pollutions 1000 times and I would happy to see 1000 times more mining, more lithium battery used, along with solar and wind energy.

For the Paris accord? This is how  most of CO2 reduction in EU, in paper accounting:

https://www.euractiv.com/section/emissions-trading-scheme/news/scientists-call-on-eu-to-correct-biomass-carbon-accounting-rules/

If CO2 is the reason for the global warming, then plant more trees, reduce both CO2 and global warming. No stocks or innovation needed with very minimum resources.

The younger generation of today is already showing a significant decrease in demand for things and more demand for experiences.

-I don't know  what are the experiences you are referring for the young people but maybe you refer to tourism? Do you really think that is not a demand for things? 

I have seen people who truly like working for the sake of happiness and finding the meaning of life in the US: the Amish community. Do young people love any experience in this life style or they rush to the city for experiences city life? Do they have the experiences like the farmers who fixes their own cars, own trucks, own houses or they just looking for experiences in selfies, traveling, video games, reality shows, Hollywood? 

If give me a choice between:

1 Working everyday yet cannot save for retirement or house ( and time for my experience are bound by PTO)

2 Have lots of time for experiences by don't have a job and travelling with welfare wage around the world to see how lucky I am to have someone pay for my traveling experience?

Why should I choose number 1 if both of my rewarding future in retirement is the same, don't have a retirement saving, living in a nursing home 100% paid by the government? If I truly love my work and want to spend time with that, it does not call works anymore, it calls entertainment and I should pay for my employer for that.

I personally know many people were born in poor countries and didn't work  started working really hard when migrated to the US. If you bring a young healthy person who doesn't like to work in the US because have good  welfare, don't like demand things but love experience things,  bring him to the developing countries and see if he loves the new experiences and work harder for less. Maybe then he would appreciate how lucky he is for being born as a US Citizen.

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42 minutes ago, SUZNV said:

 

A lot of people enjoy what they do and work hard because they want to

I wrote essentially the same essay three times in a philosophy course on the alienation of labour and got an awesome grade on all three.  Professor must have really liked that topic because alienation of labour was one of ten choices for the long at-home essay requirement and one of the three choices for short essays on the mid-term and final.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx's_theory_of_alienation

One paragraph always attempted to answer "who would clean the public toilets?"  Short answer is clean freaks and germophobes; and if you paid janitors the same as doctors their work would be more respected.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Enthalpic said:

I wrote essentially the same essay three times in a philosophy course on the alienation of labour and got an awesome grade on all three.  Professor must have really liked that topic because alienation of labour was one of ten choices for the long at-home essay requirement and one of the three choices for short essays on the mid-term and final.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx's_theory_of_alienation

One paragraph was always attempted to answer "who would clean the public toilets?"  Short answer is clean freaks and germophobes; and if you paid janitors the same as doctors their work would be more respected.

 

 

Its core assumption is based on being a doctor is need the same effort and has much responsible as being a janitor. I am not respect the doctor or disrespect the janitor based on their incomes. And I am an immigrants 2 times from a low end of developing country so I do understand the alienation feeling, I got used to it.

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

 

Everyone should watch this "How a Civil War Could Start" video by JP Sears.  Everyone.  If you don't, I will come back later and say:  "I told you so."

 

 

"The Great Reset" is coming.

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40 minutes ago, SUZNV said:

One paragraph was always attempted to answer "who would clean the public toilets?"  Short answer is clean freaks and germophobes; and if you paid janitors the same as doctors their work would be more respected.

 

The difference being that anyone can be a janitor, it not even requiring a high school diploma and only a select few can be a physician. Silly supply and demand, unlimited number of people able to be janitors, highly limited number of people able to be physicians. 

China played this idiocy out during their Cultural Revolution and you literally had medical doctors forced to clean toilets, while the patients all died. There was even a scene in a Chinese movie about this. I'll have to ask my wife how to type its name in here. The wife was having a baby and the nurses and eejits had no clue what to do when things went wrong. They finally brought the real doctor in, but he was too messed up to save her. Good times, can't wait to repeat it here with the eejits suddenly in charge. 

This movie has a similar plot line. I recommend watching the entire thing to all of you, excellent film, the YouTube version has better subtitles than the one we watched years ago. The scene with the doctor is at about the 1:40 mark. 

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

Gee, why didn't you say you have a cornucopia machine

I've been involved with singularity discussions since Vernor Vinge a personal friend coined the term. I've got emails going back decades with Vernor and Charles Stross. Odd that, given my computer scientist background. 😏

@Tom Nolan posted several videos and links about your New World Order Fantasy. You're in big time company, all those Davos billionaires are pushing this like it's the new fountain of youth. Only someone with critical thinking skills would ask themselves why? By the NWO agenda, those folks are the first to go. Or are they? Will they just be like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet and protect their massive hoards of wealth inside phony foundations that promise to solve all the world's problems by taxing the rest of the world into penury while they get to keep their private jets and multiple castles?

They'll lecture us about wanting a better life for ourselves and our children while they scoop up all the valuables for their "museums". Communism is a boon for those at the top. We should ask @SUZNVhow those peasants who suffered and died to create their utopian society feel about doing all that to work for $3/day in Vietnamese sweatshops. The CCP sells their vast labor pool as if those humans are their personal slaves. But why not? They are. 

 

There is differences Marxism and Leninism in the methodology of how to achieve socialism. 

But from the idea of both seems so much for "the greater good" and Marx was portraited as a rich man left everything behind for ideology (like Bin Laden) , how many of fans of Socialism know how Marx lived his personal life, his personality, his responsibility and where did he write the "The Communist Manifesto". How much hate he got within him blaming others for his own failure? 

Personally I feel sorry for his wife, who has a noble background to marry such a acholic loser whose book was used as a bible that still have effect nowadays for power thirsty politicians who want to use resources for controlling the People. 

The green new deal is similar to the concept: "free market in socialism direction " which is very popular among Vietnam Communist Party.

The bottom line of that is the government is  the zoo keeper and the people are the animals in the zoo who have perfect equality in a meal everyday (and the zoo keeper take back if you don't eat all of your food and try to save it). The only promotion to freedom you can have or have personal resources  is competing to be a zoo keeper member. And they call it equality: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".  See how long their plan are, because they will get richer and even may not live or have any responsibility when that timeline reaches.

 

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2 hours ago, Bob D said:

Did someone hack your identity?  You're going to lose your Liberal bona fides.

 

Liberal is just a label like red right wing. But them liberals freak like right wingers when I talk no immigration, overpopulation and balanced budgets. The right has a problem with pollution, efficiency and cost cutting through universal healthcare, cutting 700  bases and 400 billion a year etc.

Plenty to hate for everybody. 😂

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

The difference being that anyone can be a janitor

Yep, children, grandparents, and the disabled included!  Ward level anti-logic.

Steven Hawking wouldn't have made a good janitor.

 

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4 hours ago, 0R0 said:

This abundance is coming in a small way. Not a big way. Zero cost does not exist.  Can not happen. The capital draw of the sustainable economy is typically 10 times what it replaces. Thus the time it takes to get to the end point is several generations. We are seeing the start of it in TX where electricity is cheap and appears to be staying that way.

While AI is advancing rapidly, it is not really where it can can displace so many folks any time soon. We are still using "I am not a robot" trying to train AI to spot road features. The armies of AI programmers in China spend their days doing precisely these kinds of exercises. Not a high value proposition.

Automated code writing is happening and coders often have their own small auto coding routines to save them time and dealing with minutiae. But silicon valley is still far  away from not needing them.

I agree, zero cost does not exist that is why we refer to it as the asymptote. However zero marginal cost does exist within certain boundaries. The capital draw for sustainability is decreasing exponentially, that is the whole point. Electricity in Texas is going to be super cheap given the wind and solar resources.

AI displacing vast numbers of people is still 2 or 3 decades away. However autonomous vehicles are absolutely on their way in a decade as are automated burger machines. Those two advancements alone will take out many jobs. There won't be any burger cooks, taxi or uber drivers in the 30's.

Abundance will come in a very big way because of exponential convergence. As automation reaches further in each part of the supply chain it results in compounded acceleration. Just 30 years ago information was scarce, now we have a glut. The same will happen to goods over the next 30 years very much because of the compounding acceleration of near zero cost information being available. 


And farm automation is going to eliminate many jobs and drastically increase productivity. This is definitely happening this decade. 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Bob D said:

There will NEVER be a world where there is no scarcity.  In fact the entire premise is BS.  Technological advances in 2020 create scarcity. (Lithium Cobalt ventilators).  Freaking unicorns and free money everywhere.  There will never be a world in which there is no scarcity.  

Scaricity will exist but it will be asymptotic to zero. Information is a good example as in our lifetimes we have gone from limited information and the ability to consume it being limited and expensive. Now we have a glut of information easily consumed. Remember when you were a kid and a question would come up at the dinner table and it was just left unanswered because finding an answer would require time and effort? Now you just ask your phone or a speaker. Next that principal will apply to physical goods.

Real estate and location will be the one area that will remain expensive for the foreseeable future. We don't have the complete answer for that yet but we will solve it in due time. 

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Trump is consistently absent from work... hiding in the basement, playing with his phone, sulking.

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3 hours ago, SUZNV said:

-Pollutions depend on the measurements units, CO2? Land of forests removed? Cubic of liquid and solid chemicals waste? With all of the different form of wastes, CO2 is the easiest "waste"  to deal with by nature. Expecting 100 to 1000 times more of these toxic chemicals and liquid wastes if you want to trade CO2 for them.

A lot of people enjoy what they do and work hard because they want to

- Strongly disagrees. Example were  the collective farms model. People are easy to corrupt themselves and only working hard because they want to secure more for retirements, their children futures, or to show off by their living standards. People will not work hard or compete  to improve productivity for empty promises. Because people are easily to corrupted themselves, that why we have corrupted gov or capitalists, because they are people themselves. 

Satiation of demand is more achievable than most think. The younger generation of today is already showing a significant decrease in demand for things and more demand for experiences.

-Strongly disagree. I were born in a poor country. Back then we have a solid pair of scissors and use it for many years until it broke (around 5 years). How many pair of scissors in your house today? How many of items your house have nowadays comparing when you were born and how often do you change it? Behind each of these items there are many industries: mining, energy, transporting, marketing, distributing & retails.

-The demand of energy simply serves the above industries for the world consumption. You cannot expect people to eat energy directly. You cannot expect people pay more tax to subsidies for clean energy which will employ them back and everyone will be better off. Productivity is only half of the equation, aka time resource, the other half is the resources to improve productivity. The green new deal create the demand and consumptions, the problem is the resources people & the earth can have to pay for these.

-The cheaper smartphone came from productivity, competition, and the capital in R&D, patterns, manufacturing were paid off/stolen overtime and more competitions to cut off the profits margin. It does not mean it is cheaper because if need less resources unless you can conjure it from thin air.

The brutal truth for the green new deal  is not for the futures of the world (with more mining and pollutions and less trees) but for stocks and subsidies that give good return to early investors like a Ponzi scheme. Why all the mining for the lithium battery materials are in developing countries and have to be manufacturing in China? Because the cost of pollution out there cheap. Reduce these pollutions 1000 times and I would happy to see 1000 times more mining, more lithium battery used, along with solar and wind energy.

For the Paris accord? This is how  most of CO2 reduction in EU, in paper accounting:

https://www.euractiv.com/section/emissions-trading-scheme/news/scientists-call-on-eu-to-correct-biomass-carbon-accounting-rules/

If CO2 is the reason for the global warming, then plant more trees, reduce both CO2 and global warming. No stocks or innovation needed with very minimum resources.

The younger generation of today is already showing a significant decrease in demand for things and more demand for experiences.

-I don't know  what are the experiences you are referring for the young people but maybe you refer to tourism? Do you really think that is not a demand for things? 

I have seen people who truly like working for the sake of happiness and finding the meaning of life in the US: the Amish community. Do young people love any experience in this life style or they rush to the city for experiences city life? Do they have the experiences like the farmers who fixes their own cars, own trucks, own houses or they just looking for experiences in selfies, traveling, video games, reality shows, Hollywood? 

If give me a choice between:

1 Working everyday yet cannot save for retirement or house ( and time for my experience are bound by PTO)

2 Have lots of time for experiences by don't have a job and travelling with welfare wage around the world to see how lucky I am to have someone pay for my traveling experience?

Why should I choose number 1 if both of my rewarding future in retirement is the same, don't have a retirement saving, living in a nursing home 100% paid by the government? If I truly love my work and want to spend time with that, it does not call works anymore, it calls entertainment and I should pay for my employer for that.

I personally know many people were born in poor countries and didn't work  started working really hard when migrated to the US. If you bring a young healthy person who doesn't like to work in the US because have good  welfare, don't like demand things but love experience things,  bring him to the developing countries and see if he loves the new experiences and work harder for less. Maybe then he would appreciate how lucky he is for being born as a US Citizen.

Scissors are a great example of post scarcity, they used to be scarce now they aren't. When I got divorced 5 years ago I bought one of those five packs of scissors for a few bucks. I don't foresee buying anymore until the distant future if ever. My demand is satiated. How many do you have? Are you Edward Scissorhands?

Experiences of course represent demand but they represent a much different cost function than acquiring things.The things got so cheap that consumers moved on, their demand for things being greatly satiated. Experiences get cheaper and cheaper and you are time limited in how many you can consume. 

Food production is going to be almost fully automated. The people left working at the farms will be doing so because they enjoy it as their job will be more akin to crafting fine wine. And this is not far off in the future this is going to happen tomorrow.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Scissors are a great example of post scarcity, they used to be scarce now they aren't. When I got divorced 5 years ago I bought one of those five packs of scissors for a few bucks. I don't foresee buying anymore until the distant future if ever. How many do you have? Are you Edward Scissorhands?

Experiences of course represent demand but they represent a much different and lower cost function than acquiring things. Experiences get cheaper and cheaper and you are time limited in how many you can consume.

Food production is going to be almost fully automated. The people left working at the farms will be doing so because they enjoy it as their job will be more akin to crafting fine wine. And this is not far off in the future this is going to happen tomorrow.

 

 

What you have is the Scissors for papers, and why would you need 5 for? We used exactly the same scissors for cutting foods, and paper, electric wires, and cloth and had people who live on sharpening or repairing it for cents. It was very durable and therefore, much sustainable and save environment resources wise. And many many more examples like this. The environmental costs for extracting raw resources for an expensive iphone and a cheap smartphone are relatively the same but people tend to upgrade the cheap one more regularly. How much your scissors give you more productivity than mine in cutting paper?

What you are trying to emphasize on productivity while conveniently ignore the environmental costs of mining these resources which normally in developing countries. The green new deals simply export environmental chemical pollutions to third word countries and get back the "green" products for stock and subsidies and raise taxes "for the greater good". 

It will need to have much higher salary in developing countries for these. And the labor will not only the one who is operating it, but the one who do the maintenance, fixing, programming so in cheap low skill labor it is not profitable. And most of developed countries, farming are heavily subsidies to buy vote which pushed the overall price down. 

Solutions for a particular "problems"  which create more problems should not be considered as solutions at all. I rather choose the CO2 as wastes and use "organic & natural"  solution than  toxic chemical wastes in liquid or solid forms. The only reasons for these "solutions" are for stocks, regulation, raise tax and subsidies and the "green clean energy" goals is just as a marketing term as "equality" in socialism. Same propaganda techniques. I rather donate money for any organization for cleaning or healing the world and get tax credits, or sponsor children in Africa than having a bunch politicians raising tax to feed the ponzi scheme.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, SUZNV said:

What you have is the Scissors for papers. We used exactly the same scissors for cutting foods, and paper, electric wires, and cloth and had people who live on sharpening or repairing it for cents. It was very durable and therefore, much sustainable and save environment resources wise. And many many more examples like this. The environmental costs for extracting raw resources for an expensive iphone and a cheap smartphone are relatively the same.

What you are trying to emphasize on productivity while conveniently ignore the environmental costs of mining these resources which normally in developing countries. The green new deals simply export environmental chemical pollutions to third word countries and get back the "green" products for stock and subsidies and raise taxes "for the greater good". 

It will need to have much higher salary in developing countries for these. And the labor will not only the one who is operating it, but the one who do the maintenance, fixing, programming so in cheap low skill labor it is not profitable. And most of developed countries, farming are heavily subsidies to buy vote which pushed the overall price down. 

Solutions for a particular "problems"  which create more problems should not be considered as solutions at all. I rather choose the CO2 as wastes and use "organic & natural"  solution than  toxic chemical wastes in liquid or solid forms. The only reasons for these "solutions" are for stocks, regulation, raise tax and subsidies and the "green clean energy" goals is just as a marketing term as "equality" in socialism. Same propaganda techniques. I rather donate money for any organization for cleaning or healing the world and get tax credits, or sponsor children in Africa than having a bunch politicians raising tax to feed the ponzi scheme.

 

 

You guys keep mistakenly conflating Socialism, Green New Deal and Exponential / Post scarcity economy. 

Here is an example of where Exponitalism is going, and sustainable use of resources is just as much a concern that is going to be tracked and dealt with through technology:

In a new video from Futurism Media and Singularity University’s IdeaFront, we glimpse a very different future. One in which blockchain-based cooperatives replace today’s mega-corporate platform model. The middlemen are out. Users decide the values of their platforms and directly benefit from the gains of growth.

In the shadow of today’s dominant platforms, it may seem like a pipe dream, but there are already examples of successful businesses fighting the current. Will a new model catch on?

https://singularityhub.com/2020/11/12/can-the-ownership-economy-fix-internet-platforms/

 

Edited by Jay McKinsey
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