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8 hours ago, notsonice said:

Is Rudy the Leader of Q?

 

Rudy Giuliani is suspended from law practice over Trump, false election claims

By Jonathan Stempel and Jan Wolfe 

Thu, June 24, 2021, 9:29 AM

 
 

NEW YORK (Reuters) -Rudy Giuliani's law license in New York state was suspended on Thursday, as a state appeals court found he had lied in arguing that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from his client, former U.S. President Donald Trump. 

Giuliani, 77, a former U.S. Attorney in Manhattan and New York City mayor, was sanctioned for making unsubstantiated claims in court, testimony before lawmakers, press conferences and other media appearances about electoral fraud. 

The five-justice Appellate Division in Manhattan found "uncontroverted" evidence that Giuliani made "demonstrably false and misleading statements to courts, lawmakers and the public" in trying to overturn the election, which Democrat Joe Biden won. 

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"These false statements were made to improperly bolster (Giuliani's) narrative that due to widespread voter fraud, victory in the 2020 United States presidential election was stolen from his client," the court said. "We conclude that respondent's conduct immediately threatens the public interest and warrants interim suspension from the practice of law." Giuliani could not immediately be reached for comment. The court said Giuliani made numerous false statements about the voting in Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania, including that hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots or votes, including from dead people, had been improperly counted. It highlighted a Pennsylvania court hearing on Nov. 17 where Giuliani alleged widespread voter fraud — though his formal written complaint on Trump's behalf made no mention of it. The court also rejected Giuliani's argument that the investigation into his conduct violated his constitutional right to free speech and suggested the suspension may become permanent. "We find that there is evidence of continuing misconduct, the underlying offense is incredibly serious, and the uncontroverted misconduct in itself will likely result in substantial permanent sanctions," the court said. Giuliani's suspension takes effect immediately, pending further proceedings before an attorney grievance committee that had recommended it. The suspension adds to the legal problems for Giuliani, who as New York City mayor won wide praise for his response to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Federal prosecutors in Manhattan have been examining Giuliani's dealings in Ukraine, including whether he violated lobbying laws by acting as an unregistered foreign agent while working as Trump's lawyer. Giuliani got his law license in 1969. He began representing Trump in April 2018 as Special Counsel Robert Mueller was probing Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. (Reporting by Jonathan Stempel in New York and Jan Wolfe in Washington; Additional reporting by Karen Freifeld; Editing by Lisa Shumaker

I don't believe the statements Giuliani made regarding the election fraud were even remotely false. This is just another adherent of the false "facts" narrative of the MSM, that demands all accept their word for it. Take it as another judge up on sedition charges down the road. They do come out like worms out of a slab of pork given the right friendly environment. The NY legal profession and another judge show their allegiance to their corrupt system.

The judge did not consider the evidence to the facts but accepted the unwillingness of the press to cover them as evidence of their absence. In short, party line decision based on nothing but party affiliation.  Giuliani's claims are backed up by thousands of witness affidavits. The behaviors that Giuliani is charged with were outside NY jurisdiction. 

This decision has hair all over it. 

Giuliani is not Q nor on the Q team, at least not in its core. He is likely to be cooperating with the operation at significant remove from its center. But his history of fighting various mobs in NYC via sting operations (like Trump) is exactly the kind of qualification the Q operation needs from its external assets.  The Q operation is supposed to be acttve military. Special ops, intel, marines, space force, NSA, Navy and JAG. 

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6 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Respondent repeatedly stated that in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania more absentee ballots came in during the election than were sent out before the election. The factual “proof” he claimed supported his conclusion was that although Pennsylvania sent out only 1,823,148 absentee ballots before the election, 2,589,242 million absentee ballots were then counted in the election. This factual statement regarding the number of ballots mailed out before the election was simply untrue. 

Respondent does not deny that his factual statement, that only 1.8 million mail-in ballots were requested, was untrue. His defense is that he did not make this misstatement knowingly. Respondent claims that he relied on some unidentified member of his “team” who “inadvertently” took the information from the Pennsylvania website, which had the information mistakenly listed (Giuliani affidavit ¶49). There is simply no proof to support this explanation. For instance, there is no affidavit from this supposed team member who is not identified by name or otherwise, nor is there any copy of the web page that purportedly listed the allegedly incorrect data. 

That was a mistake. Not a lie. The numbers he got were mislabeled - on Giuliani's note pad. Presumably someone who looked it up hurriedly gave it to him by ear rather than on paper. Definitely not what it was presented to be. 

They are really inflating things into something sinister. We have affidavits backing Giuliani's claims. Do they giver verbatim support for each of the statements he made? no, but they do allow him to expound on the hypothetical implied scale of the fraud. That that was considered misconduct is absurd. 

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8 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

That was a mistake. Not a lie. The numbers he got were mislabeled - on Giuliani's note pad. Presumably someone who looked it up hurriedly gave it to him by ear rather than on paper. Definitely not what it was presented to be. 

They are really inflating things into something sinister. We have affidavits backing Giuliani's claims. Do they giver verbatim support for each of the statements he made? no, but they do allow him to expound on the hypothetical implied scale of the fraud. That that was considered misconduct is absurd. 

It’s yet early in the game. The Capital riot investigations will lead to a much larger conspiracy. Will the false charges of voter fraud tie into the attack of an attempted coup? How many in Congress were involved? That’s my theory. Pull the thread and see who’s attached to the string of treason.

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1 hour ago, 0R0 said:

I don't believe the statements Giuliani made regarding the election fraud were even remotely false. This is just another adherent of the false "facts" narrative of the MSM, that demands all accept their word for it. Take it as another judge up on sedition charges down the road. They do come out like worms out of a slab of pork given the right friendly environment. The NY legal profession and another judge show their allegiance to their corrupt system.

The judge did not consider the evidence to the facts but accepted the unwillingness of the press to cover them as evidence of their absence. In short, party line decision based on nothing but party affiliation.  Giuliani's claims are backed up by thousands of witness affidavits. The behaviors that Giuliani is charged with were outside NY jurisdiction. 

This decision has hair all over it. 

Giuliani is not Q nor on the Q team, at least not in its core. He is likely to be cooperating with the operation at significant remove from its center. But his history of fighting various mobs in NYC via sting operations (like Trump) is exactly the kind of qualification the Q operation needs from its external assets.  The Q operation is supposed to be acttve military. Special ops, intel, marines, space force, NSA, Navy and JAG. 

"I don't believe the statements Giuliani made regarding the election fraud were even remotely false"......?????

 

and yet in court where it does matter.......

a State appeals court found he had lied in arguing that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from his client, former U.S. President Donald Trump. 

who cares what you think, it will not get Rudys right to practice law back.

"false "facts" narrative of the MSM???? Appeals court is not the MSM,"..... are you not dealing with reality the same as all of the other Q nutjobs out there?

...as another judge up on sedition charges down the road.???? 5 Judges not 1 , and the sedition charges??? in reality you have no clue what you are babbling about.

Supreme Court of the State of New York Appellate Division, First Judicial Department

Rolando T. Acosta,P.J.,

Dianne T. Renwick

Sallie Manzanet-Daniels

Judith J. Gische

Barbara R. Kapnick,JJ.

Q? Rudy is the definition of Q.......Not dealing with reality and babbling incoherently on a daily basis.

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9 hours ago, surrept33 said:

I think that's an exaggeration. It wasn't THAT long ago the WaPo had pretty bipartisan "trust" levels. 

From 2014: 

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So what happened? Well, Trump made an enemy of the free press, egged on by Bannon, who had every incentive, as the leader of the "alt" media, for business reasons, to setup an "alternative" press for his own personal gain. This is fine, but keep in mind authoritarians use this tactic to solidify power when it's combined with lies and deceit.

 

Let's see what his own former press secretaries had to say;

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/a-history-of-the-trump-war-on-media--the-obsession-not-even-coronavirus-could-stop/2020/03/28/71bb21d0-f433-11e9-8cf0-4cc99f74d127_story.html

 

But inside Trump circles, there’s a sense that criticizing the media has served him well with his base, who see it as fair pushback against a journalism establishment they are convinced is unduly harsh on their leader. “There is no question,” said Tim Murtaugh, communications director for Trump’s 2020 campaign, “that the hostility of the mainstream media towards the president is something that gets the president’s supporters fired up.”

“I don’t think it’s good for democracy that we’re branding an entire industry as an enemy,” said Sean Spicer, Trump’s first press secretary. “But is it effective? I think so. I’m not saying it’s right.”

Trump used to love the media. He courted reporters by giving them access and coaxing positive coverage. His path to celebrity was sprinkled with glowing profiles and glitzy magazine spreads that promoted a portrait of a self-made real estate savant, rather than the scion of a successful business built by his father.

 

“He is tall, lean and blond with dazzling white teeth, and he looks ever so much like Robert Redford,” read a 1976 New York Times profile. By the 1980s, Trump had graduated to the cover of Newsweek, appearing with his hands on his hips, a smile that seemed to say he was on top of the world and the headline: “Trump: A billion-dollar empire and an ego to match.”

As president, Trump has sometimes lamented the end of his love affair with the profile writers and headline stylists who used to find him so irresistible.

“I had a 45-year good relationship with the press, and what the hell happened?” Trump asked Anthony Scaramucci, the short-lived White House communications director, who recalled the moment in an interview with The Washington Post.

 

“I told him, ‘You declared war! You had Steve Bannon declare war,’ ” recalled Scaramucci, referring to Trump’s former campaign chief and White House adviser. (Scaramucci left the Trump administration after 11 days in office when a tape surfaced of him berating a reporter.)

 

Some in the White House tried to push back at his broad-brush “fake news” characterizations. Spicer recalled going over stories with the president that had displeased him, assessing them section by section. “We would talk about it,” Spicer told The Post. “He then typically branded it fake.”

One afternoon in February 2017, ensconced at Mar-a-Lago, he deployed his Twitter account to declare with all-caps bombast that the “FAKE NEWS media” is “the enemy of the American people.” He specifically cited the New York Times, CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS.

 

His statement on that day generated shock in the media world and among his critics. But it caught on with conservative fans who have long nurtured a belief that the mainstream media tilts to the left.

Three years later, the smear has taken hold on conservative websites and in the long lines of supporters outside Trump rallies, functioning like an Internet GIF that cycles endlessly on the screens of the national consciousness.

A master of catchphrases, Trump had created a rallying cry in “enemy of the people” that seems to have penetrated a large part of the national psyche. Already, according to a recent poll, one-third of Americans agree with him that the media is the people’s enemy.

It's hardly unusual for a president to clash with the press. Richard Nixon kept journalists on his enemies list, while his vice president, Spiro Agnew, dubbed them "nattering nabobs of negativism." Bill Clinton griped openly about coverage of his White House sex scandal, and candidate George W. Bush was caught on a hot mic calling a New York Times reporter a "major league asshole." Barack Obama's administration brought a record number of prosecutions against journalists' sources for leaking government information, according to the Freedom of the Press Foundation.

But on Feb. 26, Trump found a novel way to bedevil the media when his reelection campaign sued the New York Times. The suit claimed that an opinion piece published 11 months earlier had defamed the campaign by asserting that “the Trump campaign and Vladimir Putin’s oligarchy . . . had an overarching deal.” It demanded millions of dollars in damages.

The filing attorney was Charles Harder, the hard-charging lawyer who won the $115 million judgment that ran the Gawker website out of business for publishing a sex tape involving the wrestler Hulk Hogan.

Days later, Harder sued The Washington Post in federal court, taking issue with opinion pieces written last June by Greg Sargent and Paul Waldman, who both argued that the Trump campaign had signaled a willingness to accept assistance from foreign governments. The Post’s publisher, Fred Ryan, called the suit “a shameful ploy designed to intimidate news organizations as they work to inform voters on the important issues at stake in this election.”

Four days after the Post suit, Harder filed the suit against CNN, over an opinion column by Larry Noble, a former general counsel for the Federal Election Commission who also painted the Trump campaign as open to Russian assistance.

Katherine Bolger, a partner at the law firm of Davis Wright Tremaine specializing in First Amendment issues, called the lawsuits “bordering on frivolous” and likely to be dismissed. “These articles are critical of the president, not his campaign, so in some ways the wrong plaintiff sued,” she said. And the articles “are largely opinion, based on disclosed facts,” and thus are protected speech.

“We were founded on the ability to criticize our political leaders,” Bolger said. “You are allowed to communicate truthful things that are critical of our government.”

 

In recent months, Trump called Chris Wallace, the widely respected host of Fox News Sunday, "nasty and obnoxious," sniping that he will "never be his father, Mike," a legendary "60 Minutes" correspondent. He also tarred Peter Baker, a star Times reporter, as "an Obama lover." And as his Senate impeachment trial got underway, he took a break from the World Economic Forum in Davos to call The Washington Post's Pulitzer-winning reporters Philip Rucker and Carol Leonnig "stone cold losers" on Twitter.

 

The late Roger Ailes built a whole network in Fox News out of the conservative sense of grievance toward mainstream media. But Trump has taken that mind-set to even greater extremes. “He’s now gotten everyone on the right to use the same terminology and that’s the big change,” Spicer noted.

Trump’s quickness to label stories fake has created new peril for media organizations: Any journalistic misstep or factual error, even if it is speedily corrected, can become a talking point in service of the notion that the media is out to get the president.

 

 

The history is that in 2013 the Obama admin made it legal for govt. to fund dishonest news stories without identifying it as government funded propaganda, that role, however, was already dominated by the commercial interests of China global corporate partners and China directly. Those who had been operating the CIA as their private Mafia and directing media since the advent of project Mockingbird did not go away when Mockingbird was exposed and removed by congress. 

Trump called them Fake News because they are fake news. The stories are as much ad copy as the advertisements, beyond which, since MSM is controlled by 6 media corporations that also obtain business outside of news media, the MSM operate as loss leaders to promote the parent companies' other interests and those of their customers and clients. To paraphrase Mika  Brzehzinsky, it is the job of media to tell you what to think, not to give you the facts. Facts are only useful as a prop for narratives that don''t depend on them. Fake facts can be injected at will, and "authorities" quoted as givers of fact.

Once you step outside the MSM the world is an entirely different place and the MSM looks ever more like Pravda vs. Izvestia. 

Trump's position grew more strident as the media aligned further into the far Marxist corner where fascism and communism merge into one. They are now the mouthpiece of China's CCP and related corporate interests, and their traditional old time globalist alignment. The MSM is so wrapped up in itself that when it covers how fearful an idiot politico was feeling in the face of the nation's flag, they put  her story in a sympathetic light rather than call her a disloyal psychotic.

In their role of sowers of discord and spreaders of lies, protectors of corruption, and propaganda instruments of the CCP and its wholly bought and paid for DNC, the Fake News MSM is indeed the enemy of the people. The US is realigning into a universal Patriotic constitutionalist movement opposed by an establishment and Marxist corporatist traitorous core rapidly losing what little is left of its once populous envelope, as it pits its racial and class based supporters against each other. Those are leaving in favor of the patriots who don't care about race, class, gender, sexuality, just don't diddle kids. 

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2 hours ago, Boat said:

It’s yet early in the game. The Capital riot investigations will lead to a much larger conspiracy. Will the false charges of voter fraud tie into the attack of an attempted coup? How many in Congress were involved? That’s my theory. Pull the thread and see who’s attached to the string of treason.

The investigation will lead to exposure of Pelosi and McConnel as participants in an FBI led false flag event in the Capitol intended to smear the conservatives and Trump in particular as terrorists. 

The election fraud is a proven fact if you care to look at the evidence that is already available in the stats of the counts. The Audits will come out soon enough and show the MSM DNC and bureaucrats in the security apparatus and throughout the  Govt  and their MSM and corporatist shills and partners to have conducted a coup on behalf of China and international interests. 

But before this "investigation" of Pelosi's and her radical Marxist partners in the FBI comes out with evidence to support their preordained conclusions, the entirety of that political alignment will be exposed around the CV19 pandemic fraud and associated crimes against humanity. Those not prosecuted in that context will be imprisoned for bribes taken from China, and the rest will be prosecuted for their part in the CIA's extracurricular activities that funded "the company" without congressional oversight in areas such as drug running, child sex trafficking, gun running, commerce in US state secrets and selling the CIA's guidance in foreign affairs to the highest bidder. 

In the meantime, the control of the MSM will fade into meaningless as its audience evaporates. The corrupt power structure will have lost its protection and main tool of diversion of the public's attention away from their criminal and treasonous activities of over a century.  

Hopefully you will have found alternative employment by then.

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14 hours ago, notsonice said:

a State appeals court found he had lied in arguing that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from his client, former U.S. President Donald Trump. 

 

That is a fake finding because the evidence in the form of affidavits and statistical analysis Giuliani and co had collected did indeed show precisely what he claimed.  How they managed to contort themselves into ignoring evidence in favor of accepting unfounded assertions by election officials is a matter for criminal investigation. That it was in the NY legal system is enough for me to reflexively allocate the motive to the far left political alignment and corruption it has become known for. 

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3 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

That is a fake finding because the evidence in the form of affidavits and statistical analysis Giuliani and co had collected did indeed show precisely what he claimed.  How they managed to contort themselves into ignoring evidence in favor of accepting unfounded assertions by election officials is a matter for criminal investigation. That it was in the NY legal system is enough for me to make reflexively allocate the motive to the far left political alignment and corruption it has become known for. 

more bs babble., Rudy has his chance to defend himself and had diddly in the form of evidence or affidavits, same as you. Rudy's, claims all debunked same as your claims. Enjoy, Rudy will never practice law again. Only an Idiot will think Rudy's claims had or have any merit. Rudy did not even to both to show up at his other hearing today, Bankruptcy will be his next court filing.

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2 hours ago, notsonice said:

...as another judge up on sedition charges down the road.???? 5 Judges not 1 , and the sedition charges??? in reality you have no clue what you are babbling about.

 

5 NY judges. All the more to clean up the system.

Regardless of the number, the situation is that many of us followed Giuliani's presentations along with the evidence he and others collected. With few exceptions, which were just errors, not lies, he spoke out of his notes of the evidence he had on hand - sworn affidavits and expert opinions.

   The conclusions of the NY judiciary are just plain false. and they do little to affect Giuliani's 

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standing in public opinion, but they do demote what little public stature the NY judiciary had into a cartoon of politically aligned corruption of justice. 

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5 minutes ago, notsonice said:

more bs babble., Rudy has his chance to defend himself and had diddly in the form of evidence or affidavits, same as you. Rudy's, claims all debunked same as your claims. Enjoy, Rudy will never practice law again. Only an Idiot will think Rudy's claims had or have any merit. Rudy did not even to both to show up at his other hearing today, Bankruptcy will be his next court filing.

The debunking did not happen. It has always been composed of accepting official's statements as fact, and sworn testimony and the numbers as somehow not being evidence. 

Going back a bit, as I said before, I do expect that Giuliani was setup as a honey pot for the NY law distortion and judiciary and Feds to out themselves as the corrupt crooks we have all grown to expect them to be. We will just have to wait and see what history brings to light.

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12 hours ago, notsonice said:

"I don't believe the statements Giuliani made regarding the election fraud were even remotely false"......?????

 

and yet in court where it does matter.......

a State appeals court found he had lied in arguing that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from his client, former U.S. President Donald Trump. 

who cares what you think, it will not get Rudys right to practice law back.

"false "facts" narrative of the MSM???? Appeals court is not the MSM,"..... are you not dealing with reality the same as all of the other Q nutjobs out there?

...as another judge up on sedition charges down the road.???? 5 Judges not 1 , and the sedition charges??? in reality you have no clue what you are babbling about.

Supreme Court of the State of New York Appellate Division, First Judicial Department

Rolando T. Acosta,P.J.,

Dianne T. Renwick

Sallie Manzanet-Daniels

Judith J. Gische

Barbara R. Kapnick,JJ.

Q? Rudy is the definition of Q.......Not dealing with reality and babbling incoherently on a daily basis.

You pretending to have a brain doesn't make it so. Pretending to understand law doesn't make you a lawyer. 

Here's the court's false narrative, dumbed down so even you can understand it. They cherry picked select statements Giuliani made to the press and pretended he made them in court!! Their argument fails because courts weren't hearing the cases. The judicial corruption runs very deep in this election aftermath, all the way to the Supreme Court refusing to hear a case that was open and shut on the merits. 

Trump is many things, but what he represents is an outsider to the corrupt political system in this country. The corrupt political system wants no part of an honest broker from outside. Mr Smith Goes to Washingtom is exactly what is going on here, and Washington doesnt like it. The swamp runs deep, and mean

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3 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

You pretending to have a brain doesn't make it so. Pretending to understand law doesn't make you a lawyer. 

Here's the court's false narrative, dumbed down so even you can understand it. They cherry picked select statements Giuliani made to the press and pretended he made them in court!! Their argument fails because courts weren't hearing the cases. The judicial corruption runs very deep in this election aftermath, all the way to the Supreme Court refusing to hear a case that was open and shut on the merits. 

Trump is many things, but what he represents is an outsider to the corrupt political system in this country. The corrupt political system wants no part of an honest broker from outside. Mr Smith Goes to Washingtom is exactly what is going on here, and Washington doesnt like it. The swamp runs deep, and mean

 you still here? thought you got the boot for attacking the forum moderator...... You and your braindead Q pals still have nothing. And now you are here defending Rudy ?  Rudy is  a world class idiot who has the IQ of a zit.  Enjoy Rudy's babbling away as losers do , it is all he has left. Trump sure does hang with the biggest Losers. And those that support him? Losers

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13 hours ago, 0R0 said:

5 NY judges. All the more to clean up the system.

Regardless of the number, the situation is that many of us followed Giuliani's presentations along with the evidence he and others collected. With few exceptions, which were just errors, not lies, he spoke out of his notes of the evidence he had on hand - sworn affidavits and expert opinions.

   The conclusions of the NY judiciary are just plain false. and they do little to affect Giuliani's 

The conclusions of the NY judiciary are just plain false. and they do little to affect Giuliani's ?????? Yep nothing left to Rudy's career. FBI just raided his pals house in LA

 

FBI searches home of Giuliani associate who was involved in Ukraine film money scheme: report

 
Tom Boggioni
June 25, 2021
 
According to a report from Mother Jones' Dan Freidman and Russ Choma, an associate of Rudy Giuliani who was working with the former New York City mayor to finance a film of the connections between the Biden family and Ukraine had his home in Aptos, California searched by FBI agents on Tuesday.
 
Rudy sure is going down faster than Donny on Stormy Daniels
 
 

 

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Trump Organization Could Face Criminal Charges in D.A. Inquiry

An indictment of the Trump Organization could mark the first criminal charges to emerge from an investigation by the Manhattan district attorney into Donald J. Trump and his business dealings.

June 25, 2021Updated 2:25 p.m. ET

The Manhattan district attorney’s office has informed Donald J. Trump’s lawyers that it is considering criminal charges against his family business, the Trump Organization, in connection with fringe benefits the company awarded a top executive, according to several people with knowledge of the matter.

If the case moves ahead, the district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., could announce charges against the Trump Organization and the executive, Allen H. Weisselberg, as soon as next week, the people said. Mr. Vance’s prosecutors have been conducting the investigation along with lawyers from the office of the New York State attorney general, Letitia James.

The criminal charges would be the first to emerge from Mr. Vance’s long-running investigation into Mr. Trump and his business dealings, and raise the startling prospect of a former president having to defend the company he founded and has run for decades.

While the prosecutors had been building a case for months against Mr. Weisselberg, the Trump Organization’s chief financial officer, as part of an effort to pressure him to cooperate with the inquiry, it was not previously known that the company also might face charges.

Prosecutors recently have focused much of their investigation into the perks Mr. Trump and the company doled out to Mr. Weisselberg and other executives, including tens of thousands of dollars in private school tuition for one of Mr. Weisselberg’s grandchildren, as well as rents on apartments and car leases.

Prosecutors are looking into whether those benefits were properly recorded in the company’s ledgers and whether taxes were paid on them, The New York Times has reported.

Mr. Trump’s lawyers met on Thursday with senior prosecutors in the district attorney’s office in hopes of persuading them to abandon any plan to charge the company, according to several people familiar with the meeting. Such meetings are routine in white-collar criminal investigations, and it is unclear whether the prosecutors have made a final decision on whether to charge the Trump Organization, which has long denied wrongdoing.

It would be highly unusual to indict a company just for failing to pay taxes on fringe benefits, said several lawyers who specialize in tax rules. None of them could cite any recent example, noting that many companies provide their employees with perks like company cars.

Still, an indictment of Mr. Trump’s company could deal a significant blow to the former president just as he has flirted with a return to politics. The Trump Organization is inseparable from Mr. Trump, acting as the corporate umbrella for a portfolio of hotels, golf clubs and other real estate, most of which are branded with his name.

It is unclear whether Mr. Trump will ultimately face charges himself. The investigation, which began three years ago, has been wide-ranging, examining whether the Trump Organization manipulated the value of its properties to obtain favorable loans and tax benefits, people with knowledge of the matter have said.

The inquiry is also examining the organization’s statements to insurance companies about the value of various assets and any role that its employees — including Mr. Weisselberg — may have played in hush-money payments to two women during the 2016 presidential campaign.

Mr. Trump has derided the investigation by Mr. Vance, a Democrat, as a politically motivated “witch hunt.” He unsuccessfully tried to fight a subpoena from Mr. Vance’s office seeking eight years of his personal and corporate tax returns, a fight that twice reached the United States Supreme Court.

A spokesman for the district attorney’s office declined to comment on Friday. A lawyer for Mr. Weisselberg, Mary E. Mulligan, also declined to comment. A spokeswoman for the Trump Organization could not immediately be reached for comment.

The meeting on Thursday between Mr. Trump’s lawyers and the prosecutors, held on a video call and lasting more than an hour and a half, was arranged byRonald P. Fischetti, a personal lawyer for Mr. Trump. Mr. Fischetti is a former law partner of Mark F. Pomerantz, a former federal prosecutor and defense lawyer whom the district attorney’s office enlisted to help lead the inquiry into Mr. Trump and his business.

At least one representative of the New York attorney general’s office also attended the meeting. Ms. James’s office had been conducting a civil inquiry into some of the same issues that the district attorney’s office is examining, but joined Mr. Vance’s criminal investigation in recent weeks.

In the coming days, Mr. Trump’s lawyers plan to continue to try to persuade prosecutors not to charge the company, according to a person briefed on the matter.

Companies, even private ones like the Trump Organization, are subject to criminal prosecution, and can face fines and other penalties if they are found guilty. Charges also can threaten an organization’s relationships with banks and business partners and cause lasting reputational damage.

The indictments could increase pressure to cooperate on Mr. Weisselberg, who could seek to cut a deal with prosecutors to testify against Mr. Trump in exchange for leniency.

Mr. Weisselberg’s intimate knowledge of the Trump Organization — he has worked at the company for decades and was one of the top executives when Mr. Trump was in the White House — would make his cooperation an enormous asset to investigators looking at all aspects of the company. Because of that, he has been a central focus of scrutiny in the district attorney’s investigation, with particular attention paid to the benefits that he and his family received.

In general, those types of benefits are taxable, although there are some exceptions, and the rules can be murky.

Mr. Trump depends heavily on Mr. Weisselberg, who has continued to work at the Trump Organization while under investigation. In his book “Think Like a Billionaire,” Mr. Trump credited Mr. Weisselberg for doing “whatever was necessary to protect the bottom line.”

And few things grate at Mr. Trump like the prospect of disloyalty. Close allies have turned on him in the past, including his former personal lawyer and fixer, Michael D. Cohen, whom Mr. Trump has labeled a “rat.”

Mr. Cohen, who pleaded guilty to federal charges related to hush money payments to two women who said they had romantic affairs with Mr. Trump, is cooperating with the Manhattan district attorney’s investigation. After pleading guilty, Mr. Cohen said that it was Mr. Weisselberg who had helped the Trump Organization to disguise the reimbursements that Mr. Cohen received for paying off one of the women.

Mr. Weisselberg was not accused of any wrongdoing by federal prosecutors, and Mr. Trump did not pardon him in his final days in office, though he was said to have considered doing so. (A pardon would not have given Mr. Weisselberg immunity from state charges.)

After Mr. Cohen pleaded guilty in 2018, Mr. Trump expressed confidence that Mr. Weisselberg had not turned on him.

“One hundred percent he didn’t,” Mr. Trump told reporters for Bloomberg. “He’s a wonderful guy.”

Mr. Weisselberg is, in certain respects, the polar opposite of his longtime boss. Discreet and unassuming, the financial chief has avoided attention even as he has brought his family into Mr. Trump’s orbit. One of his sons, Barry, was the property manager of Trump Wollman Rink in Central Park. Another, Jack, works at Ladder Capital, one of Mr. Trump’s lenders.

But Mr. Weisselberg has done his part to contribute to Mr. Trump’s aura of wealth and power. In 2005, when The New York Times attempted to determine how much money Mr. Trump had, Mr. Weisselberg provided a list of assets that he said would show that Mr. Trump was worth $6 billion.

When the list of assets appeared to add up to only $5 billion, Mr. Weisselberg excused himself.

“I’m going to go to my office and find that other billion,” he said.

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Trump Voting-Fraud Boosters Grilled in Court, Giuliani a No-Show

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June 24, 2021, 5:36 PM MDT
  • Vote company filed $1.3 billion defamation suits against them
  • Lawyers for Giuliani, Powell and MyPillow CEO seek dismissal

Lawyers for former Trump campaign attorney Sidney Powell and other boosters of a debunked conspiracy theory that the 2020 election was stolen were grilled by a judge on why their claims about Dominion Voting Systems Inc. weren’t defamatory.

U.S. District Judge Carl Nichols in Washington is weighing their requests to dismiss a trio of $1.3 billion lawsuits Dominion filed against Powell, Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani and MyPillow Inc. Chief Executive Officer Mike Lindell. All three publicly accused the voting-technology company of conspiring to rig the election by flipping millions of votes in states that use its products.

Nichols, a Trump appointee, often appeared skeptical of arguments by the defendants at an in-person hearing in Washington on Thursday, and repeatedly reminded them that all Dominion has to do to avoid dismissal at this stage is to properly allege defamation using detailed claims and evidence.

Absent from the proceedings was Giuliani. Separately, the former New York mayor and federal prosecutor was suspended on Thursday from practicing law in New York by a state court that said he put the public at risk by spreading lies about the election.

Lindell’s lawyer, Andrew D. Parker, attempted to frame the dispute as a fight over the right to freely express opinions, arguing that the CEO’s statements about Dominion were valid because there are “millions of people on both sides of the issue” who are still debating the election. He criticized the company for portraying his client as a “wild-eyed crazy guy” while glossing over valid concerns about the alleged “hackability” of Dominion’s software.

Oral Arguments To Dismiss Defamation Suits Brought By Dominion Voting Systems
 

Mike Lindell

Photographer: Samuel Corum/Bloomberg

Nichols pushed back, saying a debate over election security is “way different” from the defamatory lies Dominion is alleging. A public debate about election security “is not the same as saying a particular company intentionally committed voter fraud,” the judge said.

When hearing from Powell’s lawyer, Howard Kleinhendler, Nichols reminded the attorney more than once that his client hadn’t said her claims about Dominion were true, but rather that no “reasonable person” would believe they were statements of fact. The judge also questioned why Kleinhendler kept arguing that Powell’s remarks were in the clear from defamation because similar claims had been made in various election lawsuits.

 

“Is it your view that if somebody makes patently false statements in a lawsuit and then repeats them to the press then they’re not actionable?” Nichols asked.

“It depends,” Kleinhendler said. “You have to get to whether there was malicious intent.”

Trump Campaign Holds Press Conference With Rudy Giuliani And Jenna Ellis

Sidney Powell

Photographer: Al Drago/Bloomberg

The judge noted that Dominion had properly alleged that Powell said in a TV interview that she had evidence of a Dominion employee admitting he could flip “millions” of votes. Kleinhendler conceded that evidence doesn’t exist but brushed it off as an isolated slip by a former campaign lawyer who “sometimes exaggerates one or two points.”

Giuliani’s lawyer, Joseph Sibley, focused on a narrower argument about damages, stressing his client’s claim that Dominion had failed to adequately explain how any of Giuliani’s allegedly defamatory comments resulted in lost profit for the company.

Read More: Giuliani’s Election Conspiracy Theory Faces Test in Court

The three cases were combined for the limited purpose of the hearing on the motions to dismiss the suits. The judge said he would consider the arguments and may issue a written ruling for all three of the cases together, or separately.

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1 hour ago, notsonice said:

The conclusions of the NY judiciary are just plain false. and they do little to affect Giuliani's ?????? Yep nothing left to Rudy's career. FBI just raided his pals house in LA

 

FBI searches home of Giuliani associate who was involved in Ukraine film money scheme: report

 
Tom Boggioni
June 25, 2021
 
According to a report from Mother Jones' Dan Freidman and Russ Choma, an associate of Rudy Giuliani who was working with the former New York City mayor to finance a film of the connections between the Biden family and Ukraine had his home in Aptos, California searched by FBI agents on Tuesday.
 
Rudy sure is going down faster than Donny on Stormy Daniels
 

Disqualified from being information as reported by Mother Jones.

The financing of a documentary is not a criminal issue, not even when it is with Ukrainians documenting the Biden family's quid pro quo with Ukrainian bribery deals including US aid, the board of the largest energy company of the country where Hunter got a lucrative seat. What is criminal is the FBI conducting illegal raids and an unjustified investigation into whistleblowers documenting a supposed president's TREASON. makes them accessories to treason. Part of the information suppression operation of the Biden Junta attempting to avoid prosecution for treason. 

There is every reason to expect all FBI and NY legal efforts against Giuliani to be entirely baseless, motivated by political necessity to stop him from revealing dirt on the Bidens and their associates in crime. They are missing the mark. The avenue of revelation is through planting information by DIA and NSA, and all the participants in the harassment of Giuliani and others are being recorded and tracked in a very likely honeypot sting operation. The agents and attorneys involved will not fare well. "I followed orders" does not provide any legal cover. 

Trump is playing for complete eradication of the establishment and CCP agent network Dem and RINO,  NGOs, UN and its satellites, corporate leaders cooperating, CIA DEA FBI DOJ ATF TSA IRS, Federal and state judiciaries, governors, election boards, law distortion, academic institutions, the diplomatic service. about 70% of the Federal government is in question as to participation in corruption. Trump's return to the presidency is small potatoes in the scheme of things. 

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1 hour ago, 0R0 said:

Disqualified from being information as reported by Mother Jones.

The financing of a documentary is not a criminal issue, not even when it is with Ukrainians documenting the Biden family's quid pro quo with Ukrainian bribery deals including US aid, the board of the largest energy company of the country where Hunter got a lucrative seat. What is criminal is the FBI conducting illegal raids and an unjustified investigation into whistleblowers documenting a supposed president's TREASON. makes them accessories to treason. Part of the information suppression operation of the Biden Junta attempting to avoid prosecution for treason. 

There is every reason to expect all FBI and NY legal efforts against Giuliani to be entirely baseless, motivated by political necessity to stop him from revealing dirt on the Bidens and their associates in crime. They are missing the mark. The avenue of revelation is through planting information by DIA and NSA, and all the participants in the harassment of Giuliani and others are being recorded and tracked in a very likely honeypot sting operation. The agents and attorneys involved will not fare well. "I followed orders" does not provide any legal cover. 

Trump is playing for complete eradication of the establishment and CCP agent network Dem and RINO,  NGOs, UN and its satellites, corporate leaders cooperating, CIA DEA FBI DOJ ATF TSA IRS, Federal and state judiciaries, governors, election boards, law distortion, academic institutions, the diplomatic service. about 70% of the Federal government is in question as to participation in corruption. Trump's return to the presidency is small potatoes in the scheme of things. 

We’ll, no shyt. Y’all want a N Korea, China, Russia, Iran type government where dissenting and conflicting opinions are extinguished. In the mid 1800’s women/wives were sent to insane asylums  for having independent thought of a wealthy husband. The idea of equal weight to an idea free of an entire series of issues coming from anyone is an affront to silos of control and power. The US is still within a lifetime of laws trying to build a basic baseline for equal rights. This fight seems long but in reality it’s very early in the process. Big money supporting evil souls will not go quietly in the night. 
Technology has brought the fight into minute by minute reporting. The silos of racism, power and control find it more and more difficult to work subversive behind the scenes. Part of Trumps popularity is finally having a champion for everything non American. Like let’s have “Christen” laws. Let’s protect pollution. If you ain’t white how can it be right. 
The best part is now Republicans can pretend they are not responsible for immigration. Even though their past leaders brought in hundreds of thousands of illegals.

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31 minutes ago, Boat said:

Y’all want a N Korea, China, Russia, Iran type government where dissenting and conflicting opinions are extinguished.

That is what Biden and company are doing RIGHT NOW, with you cheering them on. 

Go get a good look from outside the MSM bubble and the official Dem storylines you keep quoting. The view from outside is entirely different. 

There is nothing "christen" about the Q sparked Great Awakening movement other than many being christian among other spiritual lines that Q urges their followers to embrace. They quote scripture occasionally. 

You are promoting a psychotic's projection of their own intentions to silence opposition as if it were the opposition's goal. Claiming that is a justification for you to do it. The Trumpers want a complete freedom of expression, including on social media common carriers pretending to be both neutral and opinion editors at the same time. 

You are within a cult of genocidal psychopaths. Snap out of it. Being along for the ride for the benefit of being killed later rather than right now is a really low ask for your soul. Your leadership wants you dead too.

 

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On 6/24/2021 at 2:59 PM, 0R0 said:

The judge did not consider the evidence to the facts but accepted the unwillingness of the press to cover them as evidence of their absence.

With how well you're able to read other people's minds, you must be an ultra billionaire!

If I was this good at knowing what's up in other peoples heads from miles away, I'd be Riche Rich.

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On 6/24/2021 at 9:58 PM, 0R0 said:

5 NY judges. All the more to clean up the system.

Regardless of the number, the situation is that many of us followed Giuliani's presentations along with the evidence he and others collected. With few exceptions, which were just errors, not lies, he spoke out of his notes of the evidence he had on hand - sworn affidavits and expert opinions.

   The conclusions of the NY judiciary are just plain false. and they do little to affect Giuliani's 

So you acknowledge that his claims of voter fraud were not factual.

You should try reading the ruling. Many of his lies were made after he had been officially notified of the correct information and he presented no evidence of sworn affidavits or expert opinions. 

https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad1/calendar/List_Word/2021/06_Jun/24/PDF/Matter of Giuliani (2021-00506) PC.pdf

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14 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

You pretending to have a brain doesn't make it so. Pretending to understand law doesn't make you a lawyer. 

Here's the court's false narrative, dumbed down so even you can understand it. They cherry picked select statements Giuliani made to the press and pretended he made them in court!! Their argument fails because courts weren't hearing the cases. The judicial corruption runs very deep in this election aftermath, all the way to the Supreme Court refusing to hear a case that was open and shut on the merits. 

Trump is many things, but what he represents is an outsider to the corrupt political system in this country. The corrupt political system wants no part of an honest broker from outside. Mr Smith Goes to Washingtom is exactly what is going on here, and Washington doesnt like it. The swamp runs deep, and mean

Rules of Professional Conduct absolutely extend beyond the courtroom and one of the instances in the issue at hand was lying to a judge in court.

You too should read the ruling. The best part is that he admitted every one of his claims at issue about voter fraud were false. Not once did he raise the defense of speaking the truth.

https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad1/calendar/List_Word/2021/06_Jun/24/PDF/Matter of Giuliani (2021-00506) PC.pdf

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DOJ in full panic mode

Let's analyze this shall we? Once Americans get to finally see how democracy has been subborned in this country… bullets

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19 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Rules of Professional Conduct absolutely extend beyond the courtroom and one of the instances in the issue at hand was lying to a judge in court.

You too should read the ruling. The best part is that he admitted every one of his claims at issue about voter fraud were false. Not once did he raise the defense of speaking the truth.

https://www.nycourts.gov/courts/ad1/calendar/List_Word/2021/06_Jun/24/PDF/Matter of Giuliani (2021-00506) PC.pdf

 

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18 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

 

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Missing convicted part.

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