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U.S. Presidential Elections Status - Electoral Votes

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21 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Germans rooting for Biden are rooting for their own interests. Somehow it's OK for Germans to be self centered but not for Americans? I believe the people, not the pollsters, who have been so wrong it's laughable. They're not "asking" the public what they think, they're trying to "tell" the public what to think! Thinking human beings can see right through this. Where does that put you? 

According to an article by Mr. Jim R. in Daily reckoning, it might be related to Paris climate change treaty, transpacific thingy and another thing pro-by Obama era..........

You might have been right.......

Regarding your comment "tell the public what to think"......... i might have heard the origin of the story................ A friend of mine attended a conference years back and an online course. In discussions about policy making, a question was raised " is bottom up approach better, or top down?"......... They have been encouraging participation from the crowd to gather opinions ( a technique i used to like......... ). One effort after another, as in democracy of the west, but in vain.......... No prominent result from wet crowds but mostly a waste of time with frustration......... One participant was annoyed at the lack of common sense.................... "how would the people tell you what to do or what they prefer, if they do not know a thing about the area you are asking? People ought to be taught....... " Might be from then on, they believe, they need to tell people what to think................  😕

Where does it put me? I do believe people ought to be taught, especially in the developing world. But to impose an ideology with conflicting interests might not be appropriate, under any condition.......... People who are willing to learn will make the effort to know, think, and make decision on their own........ Together, they are an un- intimidated force, for what they desire.............

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The modern world has trained people to become so rigid and indifference that at time, you would be wondering, where are we really heading......................

 

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This reminds me of when Al Gore won the 2000 election.

 

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3 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Video yanked by your technical overlords. 

Delicate snowflakes need protection, can't handle seeing something "offensive." ;)

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5 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Video yanked by your technical overlords. 

substitute link?

 

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substitute link?

 

Wasn't my link, someone else posted it, I was just commenting about how the 1984 Memory Hole is operating in real-time, no Winston needed to manually operate it, or maybe there is? 

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Mentioned Bedford's Law previously, built a spreadsheet graph but couldn't upload here. Found a better collage to show it. The usual idiots will deny it and Wikipedia has already been edited to remove "proof of election fraud" from uses of it. My son is a CPA it is taught in auditing courses. But yeah, nothing to see here folks, move along. 

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I'll bet large sums of money @frankfurter commands YouTube to memory Hole this video. Don't mind the Mandarin @Dan Warnick there's subtitles. 🤓

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46 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

Mentioned Bedford's Law previously, built a spreadsheet graph but couldn't upload here. Found a better collage to show it. The usual idiots will deny it and Wikipedia has already been edited to remove "proof of election fraud" from uses of it. My son is a CPA it is taught in auditing courses. But yeah, nothing to see here folks, move along. 

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I have worked with hundreds of CA/CPAs worldwide. The worst, by far, are American CPAs. You need only to study the Enron fraud to see proof. Benford? a very dubious indicator. If this is the standard used by US CPAs, little wonder you are in such a mess.

 

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27 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

I'll bet large sums of money @frankfurter commands YouTube to memory Hole this video. Don't mind the Mandarin @Dan Warnick there's subtitles. 🤓

I have no idea what you attempt to imply by referencing me. The woman in the vid is explaining her personal, direct experience as an observer in a US election. How this connects to me is a mystery, and only a demented person could think so. Regardless, I consider the woman to be courageous in her attempt to have truth be known, and also the reporter for going against the MSM narrative. Is this what you are trying to reference; that Chinese-born people are courageous? I should think this vid be shown worldwide, as an example of how low Americans have fallen in your so-called democracy, land of the free, land of the just: for it shows clearly the fraud you are. I shudder to think of the retributions this kind woman will suffer now, in your land of the violent.

 

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This post probably isn’t going to make me many friends. Then again, if catering to various echo chambers was my main concern in life, I wouldn’t be running this blog.

So, did Biden win thanks to electoral fraud?

My general impression is that many, if not all, electoral fraud arguments have been rather simplistic and were refuted soon after they were made.

The most infamous one to date is the Biden bump in Wisconsin, which has generated a large number of amusing memes. But according to Kireev’s explanation, this is merely an artifact of the counting process – in Milwaukee, early votes are counted all at once in a central office, not at separate stations as in most of the rest of the state. Milwaukee is a Biden stronghold, hence the net effect is a sharp jump in Biden’s numbers.

The screenshot of the reduction in Trump’s vote share in Michigan was just an editorial mistake at decisiondeskhq.com, which was corrected soon afterwards. In this sense, it is identical to the “146% meme” about the Russian 2011 elections, in reference to the total turnout in Rostov oblast in Rostov oblast. Which was a brief technical mistake on the part of a single TV channel. But ironically, it became the single most popular electoral fraud meme on Runet, despite the multiplicity of concrete statistical evidence of fraud elsewhere.

The most infamous one to date is the Biden bump in Wisconsin, which has generated a large number of amusing memes. But according to Kireev’s explanation, this is merely an artifact of the counting process – in Milwaukee, early votes are counted all at once in a central office, not at separate stations as in most of the rest of the state. Milwaukee is a Biden stronghold, hence the net effect is a sharp jump in Biden’s numbers.

The screenshot of the reduction in Trump’s vote share in Michigan was just an editorial mistake at decisiondeskhq.com, which was corrected soon afterwards. In this sense, it is identical to the “146% meme” about the Russian 2011 elections, in reference to the total turnout in Rostov oblast in Rostov oblast. Which was a brief technical mistake on the part of a single TV channel. But ironically, it became the single most popular electoral fraud meme on Runet, despite the multiplicity of concrete statistical evidence of fraud elsewhere.

pennsylvania-blueshift-2020-300x264.pngThe fact that mail-in votes, which are counted last in states such as Pennsylvania, lean heavily towards Biden is only natural given that Bidenists “wear a big mask all the time” and Trumpists believe that Corona is “just the flu” (yes, these are exaggerations, but they are accurate partisan stereotypes). The notion that Pennsylvania would start off with a huge Trump lead that would subsequently experience a sharp “blueshift” in the following days was widely expected and predicted before the elections.

Trump’s absurd demand to “STOP THE COUNTING” (capitalized) ignores its selective focus on the Midwestern states, when he needed counting to continue in Arizona to scrape back a win there. This is hilariously illustrated in the following comparison video of Trumpists demanding a stop to the counting in Michigan and a continuation of the counting in Arizona.

What I do want to instead is to make three general points about the likelihood of significant fraud in these elections:

(1) All we have to date is circumstantial evidence, generally quite weak and quickly refuted (see above). Now obviously, in an elections of millions of people, there will be significant fraud, as well as underhanded tactics that fall short of legal fraud but cannot be said to fall within the “spirit” of free and fair elections. It’s also not the case that this is an exclusive Democratic phenomenon, it’s not like Republicans are above such stunts either. Though yes, I do suspect than in net terms, more fraudulent voting is done by the Dems (e.g. see Richman et al., 2014 or Audacious Epigone’s post on illegal immigrant voting). But this is a “background” to American elections in general, not something specific to this one.

Nor am I saying that large-scale voting has never happened or materially impacted American elections. Yes, I’m aware of the 1960 elections and Daley’s hijinks in Chicago. I even blogged about them years ago in my posts on electoral fraud in Russia, when the question of electoral fraud in America was more of a marginal interest than a pressing political issue. But that was 60 years ago. Also, it didn’t materially even alter the overall election result; JFK would have won even without Illinois.

Instead, I want to make a seemingly obvious game theoretical point. In a country with a balance of power between two or more parties, nobody but the most cavalier ideologues are going to stick their necks out for “The Resistance” when they know that there is a high probability that a Trumpist DoJ could subsequently prosecute them. (For that matter, several Chicago poll workers were convicted and went to jail in 1962). To enact large-scale fraud, you need to convince underlings to collude, but this only happens if they can be sure that they will not be put out to grass later. The GOP can’t credibly offer such guarantees, so there won’t be many people rushing to stick out their neck out for Trump. This also works in reverse, which is why back in August, I similarly dismissed Resistance fantasies that the Bad Orange Man will orchestra mass electoral fraud to keep himself in power:

Again, this is not to say that small scale fraud will not happen (on both sides). It obviously does. But to have large scale fraud, you need a conspiracy, which is hard because leakage is possible and there is a division of power across all branches of government, including the judiciary. The larger the fraud, the larger the conspiracy. And you also need the conspiracy to be competent. This is outright impossible. Even a reasonably effective and high IQ semi-authoritarian regime such as Russia hasn’t learned how to hide electoral fraud from statistical analysts over 20 years and counting for the banal reason that you can’t expect much in the way of conscientiousness or even intelligence from people who accede to participating in electoral fraud. You people seriously expect that level of competence from… inner city Dems?

Conversely, note also that the 70 million people voted for Trump, and this community contains its significant share of data analysts who are more than capable of running the statistical tests that their Russian counterparts have done to detect large-scale fraud, and broadcasting any incriminating findings not just on Internet blogs and marginal anti-Putin newspapers, but on giant media resources such as Breitbart and FOX News.

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Moreover, for this conspiracy to actualize, you also need the participants to have a reasonable expectation of immunity. This is not something that either party in the US can credibly guarantee, unlike a de facto single party state such as Russia; during the Putin era, you can count the prosecutions for electoral fraud on the fingers of one hand. Finally, it doesn’t hurt to have a carrot in addition to the stick. Amusingly, there is a correlation between the degree of electoral fraud/the size of the “pro-Putin vote” in Russian regions, and the monetary premium “earned” by the directors of regional electoral commissions.

The final point I would like to make is that the results as they come in are in line with what we could reasonably expect from the polls, predictions markets, expert surveys (and actually become more so as votes trickle in for Biden).

The polls may have been off, but they were not off catastrophically. In fact, as Richard Hanania points out, once the final count is in, the total error may be +4 points for Biden (538 had then at +8), which is close to the historical average.

The gamblers, either due to luck or “skin in the game” or innate “wisdom of crowds” or some combination thereof, was closer to the mark. Even so, no market gave Trump more than a 40% chance.

Expert consensus was that this election was Biden’s to lose. This included Russian elections enthusiasts who don’t particularly have a dog in this American fight; their prediction of 290-248 was indeed extremely closely to the market, failing only to capture Georgia.

You don’t need electoral fraud to explain results that were expected by pollsters, modelers, and gamblers outside the MAGA bubble.

Nor, in the big picture, is there anything much amiss in the big picture. While the polls were worse than usual on the crucial Midwestern states – though the undershoot partially rights itself as mail-in ballots are counted – there aren’t really any smoking guns in comparison with the 2016 elections.

In 2016, Trump won Iowa by 9.4% and Ohio by 8.1%, respectively; this compares with a margin of 8.2% and 8.1% today, respectively; that is, more or less the same, especially after adjusting that both states still need to count ~10% of the remaining votes. On the other hand, Minnesota, which HRC only won by 1.7%, went 7.1% or more (4% remaining) to Biden. Trump won Wisconsin by a narrow 0.8% in 2016, and lost it by a similarly narrow 0.6% (2% remaining) now. Michigan: 0.2% to Trump in 2016, a rather decisive 2.6% to Biden now. Pennsylvania: 0.7% to Trump in 2016, now marginally in favor of Biden with 5% left to be counted. One way of looking at it is that Trump was simply “lucky” in 2016, winning the crucial states of PA/WI/MI by <1%, and unlucky in 2020, losing those same states by higher though still modest margins. It is however completely consistent with polling that showed Biden enjoying a much stronger lead in the polls relative to HRC, which was not canceled out by a commensurate increase in the numbers of “shy” Trump voters**.

Now in fairness, one significant point that fraud claimers can make is that even if the phenomenon is modest in scale in the US, it can still be sufficient to overturn the results of elections given the peculiarities of its election system, in which outcomes are sometimes decided by a few hundred votes in a key state. But while valid for some elections – most notably, 2000 – it is most certainly not the case during this election, where even a reversal of the Georgia and Pennsylvania results will not be sufficient to give Trump victory.

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In a way, this hysteria over electoral fraud can be considered to be the capstone to a pattern of accelerating MAGA cope in the past year. So far as the struggle against the coronavirus pandemic goes, the signature achievement of the Trump administration has nothing to do with suppressing or containing it, but shifting the blame over to China, with a number of weird and mutually contradictory conspiracy theories being advanced that China “hid” the scope of its epidemic, imposed “totalitarian” measures to contain it, and/or failed to contain it altogether. Mocking Biden for “wearing a big mask” and then getting blessed by Corona-chan literally the day after was certainly a powerful move. But my all time favorite is dismissing Biden as a dementia patient, which I was already describing as a cope months ago (when so far as reality was concerned, e.g. performance in the debates, he was anything but). But the funniest thing about it is the incredible self-own that this implies if they were actually correct on Biden’s ailments. So, you mean to say that Blompf lost an incumbency Presidency to a vegetable? Do you then mean to imply that had he faced a normally functioning opponent, the margins would have exceeded Nate Silver’s wildest fantasies?

I am not saying all this to be cruel – after all, I endorsed Trump myself. What I am hinting at, though, is that Trump’s chances of a successful legal challenge are close to zero, while /pol/-liberal horseshoe style fantasies of him declaring martial law and proclaiming himself the Living Constitution are just that – fantasies (let’s start with the fact that ~70% of the officer corps are Dem). He is already being deserted by GOP… heavyweights such as Christie, as well as media outlets like the NY Post, which was shilling Bannon’s kompromat on Hunter Biden just two weeks beforehand. I doubt this will last more than two weeks before Trump throws in the towel. At that point, MAGA supporters will have to reckon with reality and try to figure out what went wrong. The Biden administration will face formidable challenges and is likely to be highly unpopular, spurned not just by the populist Right but by the Chapo Left. This creates space for a MAGA agenda to reenter power come 2024, hopefully under a more adequate champion.

In the meantime, all things considered, the fact that Biden’s narrow victory is dogged by suspicions of electoral fraud that probably 20-30% of Americans earnestly believe is in many ways actually a good thing.

(1) Obviously, in the short-term, it offers a longshot path for Trump to scrape back victory through legal challenges. I think the chances of this happening are minimal (<1%), but whatever.

(2) From an American perspective, Republican control of the Senate means that the Dems have limited scope to carry out grandiose economic and social experiments. Which I doubt Biden is much interested in anyway. (Incidentally, the idea that Biden or Copmala is in any way a “socialist” is yet another far-fetched MAGA fantasy… just ask the folks at Chapo Trap House). The idea that he came to power via fraud will not be quite enough to delegitimize the Biden Presidency – it’s not like George W. Bush’s narrow and contested victory over Al Gore in Florida remained much of an issue after a couple of months – but it certainly wouldn’t hurt Republicans to have that as an additional rhetorical tool.

(3) Most consequentially, this substantially discredits American soft power and its “democracy promotion” efforts.

For instance, a Biden Presidency will not have much of a rhetorical leg to stand on a Nuland in its State Department try to wheedle a color revolution out of the 2024 Russian Presidential election, because for every example of this that they cart out:

… and so far as most impartial observers are concerned this will be a pithy and not illegitimate, if admittedly “whataboutist”, rebuttal.

Naturally, this doesn’t apply only to Russia, but to other potential targets of America’s color revolution machine, which is likely to be reinvigorated under a Biden administration. I suspect social media discussions in places such as China and Iran mirror those in Russia, where the Trumpist narrative of Democratic electoral fraud has a firm foothold in public discussions. Conversely, Russian Westernists such as Maxim Kats are being mocked for their continued insistence that there is no electoral fraud in America. This makes it harder for such people to make political or cultural inroads.

Best of all, this is a wound that the American journalistic-Big Tech complex has largely inflicted on itself through its own elitist hubris. The major news networks have cut off Trump’s speeches as soon as he started to imply that states like Michigan and Georgia were being stolen from him. Even though I had the impression that Trump was bumbling nonsense, I was far more annoyed with their arrogance and presumption at not allowing me to hear out POTUS. This would apply tenfold to actual MAGA people relative to a moderately sympathetic Russian observer such as myself.

Twitter, Facebook, and the other social media giants have engaged in heavy-handed censorship, wiping out posts, undermining coordination amongst Trump supporters (e.g. Facebook banning the 360,000 member “Stop the Steal” group), and adding intrusive disclaimers to Facebook and Twitter posts that are alleged to be spreading “disinformation”. Even if they’re factually correct right a lot of the time on this particular issue, it comes off as something more typical of a ham-fisted dictatorship and serves to further radicalize the MAGA people who believe they had their voices stolen (not to even mention more radical subgroups such as the Qanonists, who must be interpreting this as a nationwide takeover by Satanic pedophiles).

It also flagrantly exposes the double standards imposed by Big Tech, which has so very conveniently decided to take a bold, uncompromising stance on Republican electoral fraud conspiracies while having not just okayed but actively promoted at least equally absurd “Russiagate” conspiracies on how Putler put the Bad Orange Man in power with $100,000 of Facebook ads spending and an alcoholic called Olga from Perm.

So yes, MAGA cope is cringe. But it’s also a spanner in the neocon agenda. So trust the plan and love live MAGA cope!

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* Incidentally, though, this method is a poisoned chalice, because it provides false signals and compliance with electoral fraud may collapse during a regime crisis in which the opposition is seen to gain an upper hand. But this is another discussion.

** These observations do suggest that some things can be improved upon. In particular, at least amongst the less outspoken “Hajnal”-descended denizens of the Midwest, polls have proven just as ineffective for identifying out “shy” Trump voters as in 2016, suggesting a systemic problem. Though solutions for resolving this issue of wheedling out “controversial” opinions do exist, such as list experiments (they have confirmed the genuinely high popularity of Putin in Russia). Perhaps polling companies could look at using more of these sophisticated polls in the future in regions where there are many “polite” people who are hesitant about expressing socially “unacceptable” opinions. It should also be noted that the contest genuinely was closer than expected; this is something that was not captured by the polls, but was strongly identified by the gamblers, who gave Trump 30-40%. “Experts” should stop being so cavalier in dismissing people who have “skin in the game”, despite their own admitted failures (e.g. France in 2017, when they gave MLP a real chance of victory).

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ward Smith said:

Mentioned Bedford's Law previously, built a spreadsheet graph but couldn't upload here. Found a better collage to show it. The usual idiots will deny it and Wikipedia has already been edited to remove "proof of election fraud" from uses of it.

 

LOL.  Can't do the math himself or is very weak with computers... send anyone with a clue the *.xls.

Accounting fraud is not the same as election fraud.  Bedford law data should span several orders of magnitude.

Try again trump cult.

 

 

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Personally now I wait for Chinagate.As for China, the election of Biden may well prove to be a poisoned chalice, as the election of Trump turned out for Russia. Considering that the decision to implement the Great Bifurcation seems to be a bipartisan one that is endorsed by the Deep State, there is an excellent chance that people more competent than Boomer Bannon and his gaggle of anti-CPC jokers will manufacture a “Sinogate” to keep Biden on the straight and narrow.

 

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4 minutes ago, Tomasz said:

Personally now I wait for Chinagate.As for China, the election of Biden may well prove to be a poisoned chalice, as the election of Trump turned out for Russia. Considering that the decision to implement the Great Bifurcation seems to be a bipartisan one that is endorsed by the Deep State, there is an excellent chance that people more competent than Boomer Bannon and his gaggle of anti-CPC jokers will manufacture a “Sinogate” to keep Biden on the straight and narrow.



 

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agree, regrettably.  only weak, dumbshits need the crux of blaming others to support their egos.

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1 hour ago, Tomasz said:

Moreover, for this conspiracy to actualize, you also need the participants to have a reasonable expectation of immunity. This is not something that either party in the US can credibly guarantee, unlike a de facto single party state such as Russia; during the Putin era, you can count the prosecutions for electoral fraud on the fingers of one hand. Finally, it doesn’t hurt to have a carrot in addition to the stick. Amusingly, there is a correlation between the degree of electoral fraud/the size of the “pro-Putin vote” in Russian regions, and the monetary premium “earned” by the directors of regional electoral commissions.

This was censored off of google and the data replaced with a set having NY PA and CA searches.

People were not trusting of whatever promises of immunity they may have been given.

In the current climate of Antifa riots burning and store lootings, the idea that someone is worried about prosecution on the Dem's end is ludicrous. The support by dems for their criminal executors is public and obvious. Like the guy posting a video of him burning 80 Trump ballots he stole is concerned about prosecution, he just wanted his "F Trump" likes.

 

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3 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

I'll bet large sums of money @frankfurter commands YouTube to memory Hole this video. Don't mind the Mandarin @Dan Warnick there's subtitles. 🤓

At the 15 minute mark, the observer tells how her vote count place shut down at 5am.  However, between the time it was shutdown and then reopened the next day, suddenly 100,000 votes appear.

More miraculous was that during the entire night when the observer was there, only 7,000 ballots were processed. 

Given the manpower and tables, it would be an impossible feat to tally 100,000 ballots at that location.

 

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Dead people vote - 90 second video

followed by another 90 second video

Lewandowski Shows Evidence of Dead Voter in PA:"This is Hard Evidence," Media Need to "Do Your Job..

https://www.bitchute.com/video/U9ityTqdUKA/

40 minute video follows

Trump lawyers holding press conference in Philadelphia...

 

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Just so people know...

I am neither Republican nor Democrat, but I detest corruption and I loathe those who support the Elite Rich Power Brokers of the World...these are the same Power Brokers who control the Mainstream Media and Google and Social Media platforms.  These Power Brokers are the Davos crowd, these are the Bilderberg attendees, these are the Big Banks.  It is very evident that the Left aligns with these rich Power Brokers of the World who want to establish Technocratic Control over society. 

I am neither Republican nor Democrat.  The system is lost.  I am a Voluntaryist and Agorist.

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“Google and YouTube made it happen“! Biden outperformed Hillary by 11million voters in the 2016 Election and 5 million on Obama in 2008. Trump outperformed his own count this election by 10 million voters. Not making any sense. Where did these extra votes come from? The Demorats managed to get the basement kids, gamer kids, safe the world kids and stay out of school kids to vote for Biden. Brainwashing works, ask Google and YouTube. 

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So, what do you think is going to happen now?  Will Trump continue to fight all the way and not concede?  Who will continue to support Trump to the bitter end? It seems that even some of his heavyweight supporters like Chris Christie and Fox News are starting to abandon him. 

Feel kind of sad and sorry for him, but then hey, a lot of Americans died, society is deeply divided and the economy is in shambles.

 

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TL;DR.  Summary?

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This video is about the manufacturing of reality, courtesy of the final authority on truth: the media.

This lady lays things out pretty well in 7 minutes.

 

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This might be interesting

 

also worth downloading and spreading.

The one thing to remember is that the actual paper ballots are in the facilities. So this useless tabulation software and machines need to be taken out of use and hand count, or air gap the systems once a properly operating software is finalized, most machines use the same structure in their software. Take the tallies by hand and update the connected reporting  devices that are not tabulating. Never connect the tabulation machines to the net or other devices that are net enabled

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On 11/7/2020 at 4:23 AM, specinho said:

 

no election integrity = no Tian An Men II to force China taking up voting democracy.....

 

Therefore, can we conclude that, owing to the massive differences between Biden and the Senator, which supposed to be close, in every of those states, FRAUD or CRIME has been proven to be committed??:o:|

There has been an interesting link that might show who could be behind............

young generations of those

"We had to listen to Trump describing China, Russia and the EU in one breath as the USA's greatest enemies. This has to come to an end," Mxxx said.

Are you saying this fraud committed so blatantly in front of the world is a tit-for-tat from the last election??

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Nope, don't be paranoid. I am saying that what the Dems have done will come back to haunt them in unexpected ways. I strongly believe in Karma.

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On 11/7/2020 at 6:54 AM, Ward Smith said:

Germans rooting for Biden are rooting for their own interests. Somehow it's OK for Germans to be self centered but not for Americans? I believe the people, not the pollsters, who have been so wrong it's laughable. They're not "asking" the public what they think, they're trying to "tell" the public what to think! Thinking human beings can see right through this. Where does that put you? 

Yep. Different in the UK however. Rooting for Biden is rooting for their worst enemy. He is anti-Brexit and a fan of Sinn Fein. Says he won't do trade deal with UK which they desperately need. This will strain US-Australian relations as well. We have a conservative govt and if Biden makes the same mistake that Obama did, and publicly criticizes our stance on climate change, their will be irreparable damage done. People thought I was joking when I mentioned that Biden could kill the ANZUS treaty or upset other 5 eyes members. NickW mentioned that Australia should cancel the French sub project and buy UK nuclear subs instead. I am starting to see the logic now. At the very least, it would be helpful if my PM threatened to cancel French subs unless they hurry up and do a favourable deal over Brexit. It is not in Australia's interest to see the EU and the USA gang up on our motherland. The Chinese must be laughing and celebrating their capacity to divide and conquer us all. What they haven't figured on is that the UK, Australia, Japan, and India might develop their own "quad" without the USA. That would be a crying shame, but we may have no choice if Biden is pro-China as much as they say.

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