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U.S. Presidential Elections Status - Electoral Votes

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Good summary of Trump's systematic effort to attack the Constitution and to undermine American democracy, along with added graphics:

Inside Trump’s pressure campaign to overturn the election

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/21/trump-pressure-campaign-overturn-election-449486

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3 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

I pity the outlets that are calling Ms. Powell derogatory names and belittling her stellar legal career.  

And yet, oddly enough, Trump fired her from his legal team, although she has of course reemerged, as Trump is faced with a rapidly dwindling number of people who are still delusional hard-core sycophants. 

Axios:  "It's basically Sidney versus everybody"

https://www.axios.com/chaotic-west-wing-sidney-powell-donald-trump-68b9f15c-bf6d-46db-9cbb-4c9f47475985.htm

There were "raised voice levels and animated conversation" during a chaotic Friday night meeting with President Trump in the Oval Office, a source familiar with the meeting tells Axios.

Driving the news: As the N.Y. Times first reported yesterday, the meeting included — at various times — Rudy Giuliani, Gen. Michael Flynn and conspiracy-minded election lawyer Sidney Powell.

 

  • Chief of staff Mark Meadows and counsel Pat Cipollone pushed back strenuously on some of the more far-out ideas, including impounding voting machines and making Powell special counsel for election fraud.

 

"It's basically Sidney versus everybody," the source said. "That is why voices were raised. There is literally not one motherf—r in the president’s entire orbit — his staunchest group of supporters and allies — who doesn't think that Sidney Powell should be on that first rocket to Mars."

 

  • "These are the hardcore defenders. This is the one thing that has united people."

Between the lines: The obvious exception, of course, is the president of the United States.

 

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7 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

Both on this forum and in the MSM they keep telling us about failures in the courts.  So this should come as some surprise to those gutless pundits.  The Trump Campaign has now filed its FIRST FORMAL REQUEST DIRECTLY TO SUPREME COURT.

Trump Campaign Files First Formal Request Directly to Supreme Court For Interventdion in Pennsylvania Election

(Full petition at link)

The campaign of President Donald J Trump filed a petition [pdf here] and motion [pdf here] asking for expedited consideration before the U.S. Supreme Court.  The substance of the petition is a request to reverse some Pennsylvania Supreme Court decisions.

This is the first direct filing to the U.S. Supreme Court for intervention in the 2020 election and seeks expedited consideration prior to the January 6, 2021, congressional certification of the electoral college vote.

They can make requests all they want.  The court does not have to entertain the request. 

I also find it funny that they don't even know if the court can do what they want.

"3. Whether this Court has the power to provide a meaningful remedy to Petitioner in advance of the January 6, 2021 Joint Session of Congress, at which electoral votes will be opened and counted, or before the January 20, 2021 inauguration date specified by the Constitution?"

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, UNC12345 said:

In your rush to judgement,  you forgot one key thing...the question (You can't have it both ways, can you?).  So I'll state it more directly. How is it possible that almost all (90%?) of things the MSM says is false, misleading and biased, but all these conservative websites you guys constantly quote are worthy of being called "facts"?  I still don't understand.

With regard to a few of your other comments, I certainly do not resent debating facts, but EVERY argument immediately goes to one grand conspiracy or another (see your message above) that supports the view.  Where are the "facts" with regard to the Deep State, amongst other things you mentioned above?  Going off on a wild rant and assuming all you say is true does not count.  These things simply cannot be debated in a reasonable forum.   Another question:  if the entire left/liberal faction is so hopelessly useless and misguided, how do they have the ability to carry out such grand, coordinated schemes to dominate the country and the world? 

Furthermore, you write that I don't want opposition?  That's rich considering that anyone who offers an opposing view (that you might even consider crazy) on here receives multiple replies from various posters asking the moderator for a complete ban from the site and/or that the person be put on ignore so they aren't heard.  I don't know if you do this personally, but you would have to agree that several people do this in the supposed interest of decorum and debate.  The fact is they don't want to hear the other side.  If an opposing view appears, that person is branded as one of the following:  a CCP shill/operative, a commie, a pretender, a person with multiple aliases, or just a complete idiot.

Last, in a weak moment, I once spent some time to use/reference my own comments as evidence to refute comments made by the grand wizard Ward Smith.  When he didn't like my answers and was proven wrong, he simply moved on from the argument and that was that.  He's simply never wrong (his words) and has the upvotes to prove it!

Once you look at the daily propaganda from the Associated Press you know what all the mainstream media is going to use for its talking points. You can see this easily because we make fun of showing the Mainstream Media using exactly the same verbiage on several channels on the same day We are constantly propagandized with Climate Change stories that are extreme and do not show both sides of the argument. Now get ready for a decade of the Great Reset which the Globalist left wing want to impose. Individualism, Freedom, Free Speech, Rights are too dangerous to them. They want total control. Anyone who has not seen that in our last presidential election is willfully blind or quite dense. 

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On 12/20/2020 at 12:30 PM, Tomasz said:

 

I do not want to criticize the USA directly, but I will only point out that the current US elections will be a perfect propaganda argument for all satraps for many years.

The US is fighting for world democracy - sometimes it is really fighting for the democratization of a country, only with this year's election the US presents itself to a propaganda attack for every dictator.

I really don't want to decide whether someone has rigged the election or not. I will only point out that Trump was brutally attacked  right after he took office. President Biden is delegitimized in the eyes of probably a large number of Americans even before he  takes office.

In general, the USA neither chills nor warms me, but you have a dangerous time in this USA and it seems that with each election it gets worse and worse.

The Democrats have learned from Putin and others how to undermine elections. It is an old game and if our normal election laws are allowed to be ignored we may never have another Republican president. I am apalled by the inaction of our courts and the corruption of our electoral process in Atlanta, Detroit, Philadelphia, Phoenix, and Las Vegas. The proof is clear to me. Our future is at stake. 

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15 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

Lawyer for Sidney Powell to Smartmatic: "Ms. Powell Retracts Nothing, File Your Lawsuit"

Lawyer for Sidney Powell to Smartmatic: "Ms. Powell Retracts Nothing, File Your Lawsuit"

I pity the outlets that are calling Ms. Powell derogatory names and belittling her stellar legal career.  She also has a memory and, after prioritizing the case that matters, the election, she will turn her sights on them, I'm sure.

I rather imagine Sidney will fold like a cheap courtesan's fan.   Read her bio at Wikipedia.  She wasn't present at the original trial Judge John Wood murder trials. Those were in 1982  before she graduated from law school and passed the bar (1983).  That was Edward C. Prado, U.S.Atty., LeRoy Morgan Jahn, W. Ray Jahn, Asst. U.S. Attys., San Antonio, Tex., for plaintiff-appellee.https://openjurist.org/754/f2d/1181 first case and W. Ray Jahn, Asst. U.S. Atty., (Mrs.) Helen M. Eversberg, U.S. Atty., LeRoy Morgan Jahn, Asst. U.S. Atty., San Antonio, Tex., for plaintiff-appellee.https://openjurist.org/807/f2d/398/united-states-v-chagra second case.

She was third chair in this one.   Chagra Acquitted of Hiring Killer of Federal Judge https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1983/02/08/chagra-

I would not boast of being part of this trial.  Some evidence was mishandled.

This Enron case is more like what I have seen in my 40 years in the 5th Circuit. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-enron-banker-nigerianbarge-idUSTRE77B4T

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Quite the turnaround on this Krebs fellow.  Now HE says voting machines should be abandoned and only paper ballots used?  IN this case, I believe we should follow his advice.  It is almost embarrassing that the U.S. cannot at this stage produce and maintain standards of every kind on electronic voting systems, systems that should be accessible and functional and fully secure from our phones to phone-it-in to papar, if necessary.  But it is what it is right now.

Krebs Says Voting Machines Without Paper Ballots Should Be Phased Out, Admits Some Connected to Internet on Election Day. BY TOM OZIMEK December 16, 2020 Updated: December 16, 2020biggersmaller Print

(Something wrong with the paywall. Could somebody copy and paste the whole article here?  Thanks!)

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5 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

Quite the turnaround on this Krebs fellow.  Now HE says voting machines should be abandoned and only paper ballots used?  IN this case, I believe we should follow his advice.  It is almost embarrassing that the U.S. cannot at this stage produce and maintain standards of every kind on electronic voting systems, systems that should be accessible and functional and fully secure from our phones to phone-it-in to papar, if necessary.  But it is what it is right now.

Krebs Says Voting Machines Without Paper Ballots Should Be Phased Out, Admits Some Connected to Internet on Election Day. BY TOM OZIMEK December 16, 2020 Updated: December 16, 2020biggersmaller Print

(Something wrong with the paywall. Could somebody copy and paste the whole article here?  Thanks!)

Paper ballots have always been the most fool proof makes it real easy to prove voter fraud.  on another front:

Atty Lin Wood Under Fire From Del. Judge For Election Suits

Attorney L. Lin Wood's representation of former Trump adviser Carter Page in Delaware state court could be revoked based on his conduct in suits challenging the results of the general election as a plaintiff in Georgia and as counsel in Wisconsin, a state court judge said Friday.

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Could Sidney Powell be disbarred for her conspiracy theory election lawsuits? Experts say she's 'playing with fire.'https://www.businessinsider.com/could-sidney-powell-be-disbarred-for-election-lawsuits-conspiracy-theories-2020-12

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33 minutes ago, nsdp said:

Paper ballots have always been the most fool proof makes it real easy to prove voter fraud.  on another front:

Even with paper they manage to mess stuff up. 

The hanging chad!

 

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On 12/21/2020 at 7:19 AM, UNC12345 said:

Last, in a weak moment, I once spent some time to use/reference my own comments as evidence to refute comments made by the grand wizard Ward Smith.  When he didn't like my answers and was proven wrong, he simply moved on from the argument and that was that.  He's simply never wrong (his words) and has the upvotes to prove it!

Dude, I have enough to do without digging thru posts to see that you've "mentioned" me. If you want to address me, use the @ sign and I'll see it if you say @Ward Smith. See how easy that is? My guess is you don't do it because you don't want your azz handed to you. Go ahead, explain away the video evidence, exact same ballots going thru again and again (not just Ruby, but her future cell mate in the yellow shirt). Then you can explain away the election supervisor during an audit telling the man, "we're not doing an investigation here" when he complained about 131 ballots with the same signatures on their envelopes. Explain that away hotshot or shut your pie hole. Snarky non responses or quoting someone from the Ministry of Truth MSM doesn't count. Use your own words, construct a logical response, convince me you've got a brain and aren't just another NPC. 

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On 12/21/2020 at 8:34 AM, Jeffrey Brown said:

And yet, oddly enough, Trump fired her from his legal team, although she has of course reemerged, as Trump is faced with a rapidly dwindling number of people who are still delusional hard-core sycophants. 

She was never on Trump's legal team. She is working for an entity called "We the People". She's allowed to cooperate with Trump's team, but there are technical, legal reasons she can't be working for the POTUS going after fraud in tort rather than Criminal cases. In a perfect world this would be under DOJ and FBI but both of those are compromised. Let's not forget how they were complicit in the illegal spying on the Trump administration in the waning months of the Obama administration. Barr wants to fight using the marques of queensbury rules while the opposition is kicking everyone in the nuts. He's an old school gentleman in the modern world of knife fighting. 

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28 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

She was never on Trump's legal team.

Once again look to trump himself.  Literally used her name and "a truly great team."

 

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The internet never forgets.

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Winning legal team?   Face of utter defeat?

 

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On 12/22/2020 at 6:34 PM, Ward Smith said:

Dude, I have enough to do without digging thru posts to see that you've "mentioned" me. If you want to address me, use the @ sign and I'll see it if you say @Ward Smith. See how easy that is? My guess is you don't do it because you don't want your azz handed to you.

I won't waste my time worrying about that argument Ward.  You realized your error, plain and simple, and moved on, which I applaud you for I guess in some small way. You simply couldn't discuss it further because I had proven you wrong.  I think you do really pride yourself on supposedly handing people's azz to them, but in this case, not so much.

Further to that point and since you are all about winning and being right, you absolutely do lead this forum, and possibly the world, in conspiracy theories and fantasy beliefs.  So there's that....congratulations.

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12 hours ago, UNC12345 said:

I won't waste my time worrying about that argument Ward.  You realized your error, plain and simple, and moved on, which I applaud you for I guess in some small way. You simply couldn't discuss it further because I had proven you wrong.  I think you do really pride yourself on supposedly handing people's azz to them, but in this case, not so much.

Further to that point and since you are all about winning and being right, you absolutely do lead this forum, and possibly the world, in conspiracy theories and fantasy beliefs.  So there's that....congratulations.

So your answer is to throw insults and not bring up anything of substance. That's called losing in the real world, I don't know about drug addled minds, not being handicapped by one myself. I still have no idea what you're referring to, and I suspect you don't either, so there's that… congrats on being a dickfor

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5 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

So your answer is to throw insults and not bring up anything of substance. That's called losing in the real world, I don't know about drug addled minds, not being handicapped by one myself. I still have no idea what you're referring to, and I suspect you don't either, so there's that… congrats on being a dickfor

Pot meet kettle.

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I just read through 87 pages of this and I'm not trying to call for a kumbaya moment or anything but this discussion is being conducted in two different set of realities with different arbiters of facts. There's the "MAGA cult-deep staters" and the "Socialist election stealers".  (generalization)

Speaking as someone with a very divided family right now, where do we go from here? It feels like half of America is horrified to exist with so many people who voted for Trump, and the other half is torn between thinking most voted for Trump and wondering how there are so many unpatriotic Americans.

Maybe this belongs in another thread but are there any facts regarding the election that we can call good from both sides? Can we build from there?  Is there any source of information that we can agree is good? What would it take to change your mind? 

Talking to my family and seeing these discussions where we all talk past each other feels so fruitless and so mean-spirited. Is there someplace for these two diverging realities to rejoin? 

 

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15 minutes ago, LB Balm said:

I just read through 87 pages of this and I'm not trying to call for a kumbaya moment or anything but this discussion is being conducted in two different set of realities with different arbiters of facts. There's the "MAGA cult-deep staters" and the "Socialist election stealers".  (generalization)

Speaking as someone with a very divided family right now, where do we go from here? It feels like half of America is horrified to exist with so many people who voted for Trump, and the other half is torn between thinking most voted for Trump and wondering how there are so many unpatriotic Americans.

Maybe this belongs in another thread but are there any facts regarding the election that we can call good from both sides? Can we build from there?  Is there any source of information that we can agree is good? What would it take to change your mind? 

Talking to my family and seeing these discussions where we all talk past each other feels so fruitless and so mean-spirited. Is there someplace for these two diverging realities to rejoin? 

 

There is one reality and one fantasy.

The alt-right "news" sources have admitted they were spreading fraudulent information.  Tell your family members to read their retractions - they were suckered.

The law, including republican judges, have ruled on the matter.

In the face of consistently wrong predictions the cult still hangs onto their false beliefs. You should read some of their old covid threads for further entertainment.  

"Law and Order"  <--- remember that?  Respect the law.  No riots or civil war now.

-trump

 

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12 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

There is one reality and one fantasy.

The alt-right "news" sources have admitted they were spreading fraudulent information.  Tell your family members to read their retractions - they were suckered.

The law, including republican judges, have ruled on the matter.

In the face of consistently wrong predictions the cult still hangs onto their false beliefs. You should read some of their old covid threads for further entertainment.  

"Law and Order"  <--- remember that?  Respect the law.  No riots or civil war now.

-trump

 

Speaking to reality and fantasy...

 

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7 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Speaking to reality and fantasy...

 

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Penguins live in the south, not north.  The polar bears would eat them haha.

I don't suffer from anxiety anymore, nor have I smoked any yet today.

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14 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

Penguins live in the south, not north.  The polar bears would eat them haha.

I don't suffer from anxiety anymore, nor have I smoked any yet today.

Now who accused you of being bi-polar? Yet at the same time....

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24 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

There is one reality and one fantasy.

 

 

The problem is that the people you've been arguing with here would agree to that statement, just their reality is reality and yours is a fantasy. 

A really large portion of this thread has been bashing the other sides sources of information. The disagreements in my family also seem to come down to that. All I'm wondering is if there's some current news item or news source that we can all agree is reliable and build from there? 

Are we all just pulling from any source that agrees with our perspectives and calling it good? 

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2 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Now who accused you of being bi-polar? Yet at the same time....

Not bipolar.

You are getting off track; I am not the topic here.  I'm just the one who has been right all along and was therefore attacked by the perpetually wrong. 

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4 minutes ago, LB Balm said:

Are we all just pulling from any source that agrees with our perspectives and calling it good? 

That's just it.  The sources they have been pulling from have issued retractions.

Their own references no longer agree with them. They have nothing left.

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