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U.S. Presidential Elections Status - Electoral Votes

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1 hour ago, Enthalpic said:

That better be for Ward.

In defense of Ward Smith, I noted up the thread that, to his credit,  he acknowledged that Donald Trump falsely accused Cruz of election fraud in 2016, presumably just because Trump lost the Iowa caucus. 

Of course, my interpretation of this, to-wit, that if he made false allegations of election fraud in 2016 because he lost, why isn't he doing the same thing now, is my own. 

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11 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

That better be for Ward.

Hm, not really. 

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2 minutes ago, Boat said:

However I am anti Trump thank you.

Ditto.  I have actually mostly voted Republican in presidential elections, but I would have crawled over broken glass to vote against Trump, and I supported the Lincoln Project in the general election.  

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7 minutes ago, Jeffrey Brown said:

Ditto.  I have actually mostly voted Republican in presidential elections, but I would have crawled over broken glass to vote against Trump, and I supported the Lincoln Project in the general election.  

Odd so did Bradley PNW...quite openly for awhile. Now i am not pointing at you as a individual, yet common threads.. thoughts or expression's rule the day. For example Bradly actually embraced the notion of building HI FI amps in China. Only a very young person would think along such lines, 

He was absolutely entrenched in the concept Flynn was lying, today it is well known Flynn was coerced into his guilty plea. Young Ideologues have much to learn just how nefarious the world truly is...and it is bad.

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Goodbye F*** Loser Crybabies

Hope you are happy with your consolation prize of me leaving! 

Enjoy your boring circle jerk echo-chamber of misinformation!

 

Enthalpic signing off permanently.  @Selva please delete my account.  Enjoy your website.

My job is done here. Trump is gone!

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19 minutes ago, Enthalpic said:

Goodbye F**** Loser Crybabies

Hope you are happy with your consolation prize of me leaving! 

Enjoy your boring circle jerk echo-chamber of misinformation!

 

Enthalpic signing off permanently.  @Selva please delete my account.  Enjoy your website.

My job is done here. Trump is gone!

Selva, you have handled this brilliantly.  Thank you for you mild manner on a hot forum now.  Very middle and I love that.  

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VP Mike Pence said to have told Trump he lacks power to change election result

https://www.capitalgazette.com/news/nation-world/ct-nw-nyt-trump-pence-election-results-20210106-36waujzejrh5rb5jmiwyjugn2q-story.html

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Vice President Mike Pence told President Donald Trump on Tuesday that he did not believe he had the power to block congressional certification of Joe Biden’s victory in the presidential election despite Trump’s baseless insistence that he did, people briefed on the conversation said.

Pence’s message, delivered during his weekly lunch with the president, came hours after Trump further turned up the public pressure on the vice president to do his bidding when Congress convenes Wednesday in a joint session to ratify Biden’s Electoral College win.

“The Vice President has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors,” Trump wrote on Twitter on Tuesday morning, an inaccurate assertion that mischaracterized Pence’s largely formal and constitutionally prescribed role of presiding over the House and Senate as they receive and certify the electoral votes conveyed by the states and announcing the outcome.

Pence does not have the unilateral power to alter the results sent by the states to Congress.

More Republican senators came out Tuesday against attempts to undermine the results, including Tim Scott of South Carolina and James Inhofe of Oklahoma, who said he viewed challenging any state’s certification as “a violation of my oath of office.”

 

So Long, Farewell - 20 January 2021 Version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7kCqrlwDtU&feature=youtu.be

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2 hours ago, Boat said:

Conspiracy abounds amongst sore losers. A year before Trump won the White House there was the birther conspiracy which was a lie of course. So what else can we expect from his supporters. 

For the record, put as nicely as I can, I have no conspiracy theories whatsoever. I have stated--like a broken record--that compilations of votes in several key states are no volatile and abrupt that they beg reasonable explanation. The American people deserve an unequivocal accounting of those incongruities. I object very strongly to being categorized as a "sore loser." I'm not. I merely think we can't go forward as a country in which a large percentage of Americans are pretty sure the election wasn't fair. Not only that but any duly-elected president needs to do something--and he can't if lots of people think he stole the election. 

Please try to understand: wanting an in-depth analysis of the election should not be confused with accusation. If the thing is analyzed and it turns out that the election was fair and honest, I'll be the first to accept the results. Right now, however, I am opposed to pushing this under the rug and acting like all is okay, because it's not. 

This is similar in scope and depth to the Iran-Contra Affair. It warrants a thorough look. To be denied that look makes the suspicious even more suspicious. And so it goes.

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4 minutes ago, Jeffrey Brown said:

More Republican senators came out Tuesday against attempts to undermine the results, including Tim Scott of South Carolina and James Inhofe of Oklahoma, who said he viewed challenging any state’s certification as “a violation of my oath of office.”

I don't know about Tim Scott but I'm from Oklahoma and James Inhofe is 86 years old and couldn't find his ass with a three-way mirror.

How would you like an 86-year-old surgeon performing your three-vessel coronary bypass? Or your total knee replacement? Yet here he is, making giant national decisions, acting as if he understands the ramifications for our country. 

Sorry, you'll have to do better than that, Jeffrey. 

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24 minutes ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

Sorry, you'll have to do better than that, Jeffrey

Of course, the headline is the main story, while Trump continues to spout delusional nonsense about Pence being able to personally select Trump as president, but here is a link to the current breakdown in the Senate, among Republicans:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2021/politics/congress-electoral-college-count-tracker/

1883836584_ScreenShot2021-01-05at10_36_59PM.thumb.png.a62d42307e1f8389918ccf6f7de85d0d.pngLincoln Project ad, It's over Donald and Mike Pence knows it:

 

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1 hour ago, Jeffrey Brown said:

Lincoln Project ad, It's over Donald and Mike Pence knows it:

Yes, I think you're right, but that doesn't make it a blue-ribbon-winner. 

Right now, you and I are saddled with a thoroughly demented president-elect with a socialistic vice-president who plagiarized a passage from Martin Luther King. How does that make you feel, Jeffrey? Like dancing in the streets?

For God's sake, man, can't you see that we're in trouble. 

No? Well, let me ask you a question, are you on here because you have an interest in oil and gas or are you on here in order to pay succor to a large ideal? If you're on here because of oil and gas, well, you've just seen the end of American energy-independence. Providing you're an American--which I am beginning to question--how does that make you feel? Do you, in your heart of hearts, feel that green energy can replace fossil fuels within the next few days? Or months? What do you think it's going to feel like to a guy like me to lose his life's work?

Ponder that before you make your next hee-hees. Okay?

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1 hour ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

For the record, put as nicely as I can, I have no conspiracy theories whatsoever. I have stated--like a broken record--that compilations of votes in several key states are no volatile and abrupt that they beg reasonable explanation. The American people deserve an unequivocal accounting of those incongruities. I object very strongly to being categorized as a "sore loser." I'm not. I merely think we can't go forward as a country in which a large percentage of Americans are pretty sure the election wasn't fair. Not only that but any duly-elected president needs to do something--and he can't if lots of people think he stole the election. 

Please try to understand: wanting an in-depth analysis of the election should not be confused with accusation. If the thing is analyzed and it turns out that the election was fair and honest, I'll be the first to accept the results. Right now, however, I am opposed to pushing this under the rug and acting like all is okay, because it's not. 

This is similar in scope and depth to the Iran-Contra Affair. It warrants a thorough look. To be denied that look makes the suspicious even more suspicious. And so it goes.

A good thing to watch will be the defamation lawsuits that are being filed by the voting machine operators. I imagine lawsuits will divulge better information than any government appointed panel. 

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/22/949294173/dominion-voting-systems-employee-sues-trump-campaign-and-allies-for-defamation

https://www.axios.com/dominion-voting-systems-ceo-john-poulos-talks-elections-death-threats-and-lawsuits-251c67a0-85fa-4191-9662-9c9ba4b06fd5.html

 

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My fellow americans. I ve finished my popcorn. It was a nice show watching diaperdon crying and all maga stuff with comics proud babyes etc. it was a good loser show. Thank you for erasing the orange clown from world’s stage. He was a pure redneck in chief, loser in chief and no responsibility in chief. It was a shit show as Donaldito is. An orange piece of shit.

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7 hours ago, Enthalpic said:

 

Goodbye F*** Loser Crybabies

Hope you are happy with your consolation prize of me leaving! 

Enjoy your boring circle jerk echo-chamber of misinformation!

 

Enthalpic signing off permanently.  @Selva please delete my account.  Enjoy your website.

My job is done here. Trump is gone!

Goodbye to you, and good riddance.

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7 hours ago, Boat said:

I am my own man thank you. I am no Dem thank you. However I am anti Trump thank you. I have laid out issues that I am at odds with Dems also. I claim to be an issue type guy so I catch heat from both sides. I know that is beyond the comprehension of some but I have little control over that. 
I apologize when my immaturity at 63 overcomes me and sometimes I react a little harsh. I guess that’s the factory boy in me where I spent 35 years. 
I do remember occasions of being ridiculed for suggesting clean air is good as one example. I have lung damage due to a virus before COVID came along. That’s why things flaring and pollution peak my interest.   If dirty air advocates clean up their personal attacks I have no problem discussing issues in a more professional way. 

I'd vouch for you, @Boat.  Seen you on "both sides of the aisle" as it were, seemingly fighting for/against issues and not party lines.  I quite respect that and do try to do so myself, although I may fail at times.  I'll keep trying to focus through all the crap in the media and look forever harder for the facts.

Cheers, mate.

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This is troubling, to the Nth degree.  Nancy Pelosi's first act in the newly seated House of Representatives is to pass a rule change DIS-Allowing Minority to commit amendments to any legislation passing through the House of Representatives.  LIsten to Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy describe what is happening, and see him penalized for even having the temerity to bring it up.

 

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8 hours ago, Gerry Maddoux said:

How does that make you feel, Jeffrey? Like dancing in the streets?

I am delighted that the delusional wannabe authoritarian only has 14 days left in office. Is Biden an ideal President? No, but as the bumper sticker said, "Any sane adult," and the differences between the two are irrelevant at this point.  The election is over.    

A decent analogy to the general election, in regard to Republican leaning voters contemplating a second Trump term, was Churchill supporting the Soviet Union's effort to defeat Nazi Germany.  The overriding imperative in the Second World War was to defeat Hitler and the Axis powers, and the overriding imperative in the recent general election was to defeat the Hitler wannabe.  

Once upon a time, I took the following oath:

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

In my opinion, the best way that I could honor that oath was to work to defeat Trump and Trumpism, which is what I did. 

In regard to oil & gas, I have been in the US oil & gas industry for 40 years.  Based on narrow financial interests, Trump was obviously the better choice, but based on Trump's threat to our democratic republic and to our Constitution, in my opinion, Biden was the only choice, and I financially supported the Lincoln Project, a group of former Republicans who are dedicated to defeating Trump and Trumpism.

Incidentally, I suspect, as I noted yesterday, that if both Democrats win in Georgia, the Republicans can thank Trump for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. 

 

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Good enough. 

You and I have major differences in our interpretation of "threat to our democratic republic and Constitution," but that's the way it goes.

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Trump’s devastation of the Republican Party is nearly complete

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/06/trumps-devastation-republican-party-is-nearly-complete/

It is time for Republicans to face an uncomfortable but increasingly obvious truth.

President Trump is just not that into you.

He never has been.

To Trump, the party of Lincoln was a rental vehicle, one that he took for a joyride and is getting ready to turn back in, with trash jammed under the seats and stains covering the upholstery. Also, the tank is empty, and there’s a crack in the windshield.

Democrat Raphael Warnock has won his Senate race in Georgia, defeating Republican Kelly Loeffler, a billionaire who had reinvented herself as a Trumpist, right down to the trucker cap that she started wearing atop her expensively styled blond locks.

If Democrat Jon Ossoff’s lead over David Perdue, whose Senate term expired Sunday, holds up in the remaining Georgia Senate race, Republicans will have managed to lose the presidency, the House and the Senate during Trump’s four years in office.

Quite the trifecta.

What is even worse, both for democracy and for the long-term well-being of the party itself, is that Republicans have lost any legitimate claim that they stand for constitutional principles and conservative values.

We will see the most incontrovertible evidence of this on Wednesday, as GOP members of the House and Senate, at Trump’s bidding, wage a futile and deeply undemocratic effort to overturn the results of a presidential election that wasn’t even close. What is normally a rote procedure to certify the results of the electoral college will be challenged by a shockingly large number of GOP foot soldiers, with Vice President Pence in the hot seat.

And why are Republicans doing this? The more weak-kneed among them might be afraid of an unkind tweet from the president; others, of a possible primary challenge. . . .

Republicans knew what he was when they made the bargain they did, transforming themselves from a party that claimed to stand for conservative values to one that was willing to become whatever Trump demanded it to be. It got some judges and some tax cuts along the way.

But this fealty was never going to be a mutual one. The GOP is of no use to Trump anymore — except as a target for blame and recrimination.

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12 minutes ago, Jeffrey Brown said:

 

1877059479_ShermanTrump.thumb.png.9c1e65f1550df6de185be9d4b6457260.png

Trump’s devastation of the Republican Party is nearly complete

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/01/06/trumps-devastation-republican-party-is-nearly-complete/

It is time for Republicans to face an uncomfortable but increasingly obvious truth.

President Trump is just not that into you.

He never has been.

To Trump, the party of Lincoln was a rental vehicle, one that he took for a joyride and is getting ready to turn back in, with trash jammed under the seats and stains covering the upholstery. Also, the tank is empty, and there’s a crack in the windshield.

Democrat Raphael Warnock has won his Senate race in Georgia, defeating Republican Kelly Loeffler, a billionaire who had reinvented herself as a Trumpist, right down to the trucker cap that she started wearing atop her expensively styled blond locks.

If Democrat Jon Ossoff’s lead over David Perdue, whose Senate term expired Sunday, holds up in the remaining Georgia Senate race, Republicans will have managed to lose the presidency, the House and the Senate during Trump’s four years in office.

Quite the trifecta.

What is even worse, both for democracy and for the long-term well-being of the party itself, is that Republicans have lost any legitimate claim that they stand for constitutional principles and conservative values.

We will see the most incontrovertible evidence of this on Wednesday, as GOP members of the House and Senate, at Trump’s bidding, wage a futile and deeply undemocratic effort to overturn the results of a presidential election that wasn’t even close. What is normally a rote procedure to certify the results of the electoral college will be challenged by a shockingly large number of GOP foot soldiers, with Vice President Pence in the hot seat.

And why are Republicans doing this? The more weak-kneed among them might be afraid of an unkind tweet from the president; others, of a possible primary challenge. . . .

Republicans knew what he was when they made the bargain they did, transforming themselves from a party that claimed to stand for conservative values to one that was willing to become whatever Trump demanded it to be. It got some judges and some tax cuts along the way.

But this fealty was never going to be a mutual one. The GOP is of no use to Trump anymore — except as a target for blame and recrimination.

98 pages plus another 16 pointing out rampant cheating and you're blaming Trump? Last night I got to watch live while a 3% lead evaporated and votes were taken away from Purdue and given to his opponent on live TV.

You are under the delusion that voters are on the other side of these "votes". You refuse to look at the evidence, Pulitzer asked for and by unanimous vote received access to ballots for forensic audit and 4 hours later they blatantly rolled trucks up and shredded the ballots he was going to examine! What kind of Banana Republic crap is that? Where is that in your promise to defend the constitution? They shut down counting last night for no legitimate reason (not even the fig leaf of pretending there was a "water main break" - again) for the sole, express purpose of running the numbers and stuffing enough phony votes to overcome the requirement for a recount. This is the new normal in the US, which can no longer even pretend to be a Democratic Republic. For the short time we remain in existence we'll be a one party state and will quickly go down the road that Venezuela did. You proud about that, just because "Orange Man Bad"?

There's over a million patriotic Americans in DC right now to show support for the country and President Trump. If they were your party and had lost, DC would be a flaming ruin and you know it. Windows were boarded up on November 1st in anticipation of a Trump victory and once the steal went down in earnest, they removed the boards. What, exactly does that tell us about the side you've chosen? You proud of your choice? Judgement day you get to revisit that. 

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15 minutes ago, Jeffrey Brown said:

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Doesn't matter when it is rigged

 

there are more videos just like this one, it happened multiple times

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If the Trumps and their followers implement the strategy outlined by Trump, Jr., I suspect that contrary to normal mid-term elections, the Trumps will succeed in helping the Democrats gain greater control of both houses of Congress in 2022, after the Trump clan made a triple play in Trump's first term--losing control of the House, apparently losing control of the Senate and losing the Presidency.  

Fox News Cuts Away From Don Jr. Speech After He Starts Screaming Profanities

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-cuts-away-from-don-jr-speech-after-he-starts-screaming-profanities/

Excerpt:

Fox News cut away from Donald Trump Jr. when his speech at a pro-Trump rally in Washington, D.C. turned profane.

The adult son of President Donald Trump spoke ahead of his father on Wednesday, during a rally held to protest the 2020 election and Congressional certification of Joe Biden’s victory.

The Trump scion used much of his furious speech to swear political vengeance on Republicans who do not back his father and allies in their attempt to overthrow the election.

“This isn’t their Republican Party anymore. This is Donald Trump’s Republican Party,” he proclaimed. “If you’re gonna be the zero and not the hero, we’re coming for you and we’re going to have a good time doing it!”

The speech went on with more angry rhetoric against Democrats before Trump Jr. exclaimed to the crowd, “Thank you for standing up to the bullsh*t!”

 

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