What are the geopolitical ramifications of a soon to be toothless US military?

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

The all volunteer United States military is being dismantled before our eyes. Wrong think is being punished, if a soldier dares to espouse a belief in Making America Great he or she is to be Removed from service.

This is utter insanity. The ramifications? Pax Americanus is going the way of the Dodo bird. That means the value of the petrodollar is going to disappear since without the military there's no value in denominating oil trades in dollars if there's no military backing your regime. 

[El Nikko + 2,145]

41 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

The all volunteer United States military is being dismantled before our eyes. Wrong think is being punished, if a soldier dares to espouse a belief in Making America Great he or she is to be Removed from service.

This is utter insanity. The ramifications? Pax Americanus is going the way of the Dodo bird. That means the value of the petrodollar is going to disappear since without the military there's no value in denominating oil trades in dollars if there's no military backing your regime. 

Countries that 'purge' their best military minds have historically been taken over by Communists or Marxists.

It would have been hard to believe that could have happened in the west even a decade ago but here we are.

 

[Tomasz + 1,608]

The effect is that America cannot wage two wars simultaneously.You were probably unable to do that just after 2008. 

 I mean, I'm assuming the scenario there is emerging Russian-chinese military alliance and that China attacks Taiwan and, at the same time, Russia attacks Europe.

So the US faces a difficult choice whether to defend Taiwan or Europe.

But in my opinion, this is a purely hypothetical variant.

In fact, I think Russians are able to get to the German-Polish border before NATO takes military action.

This week the Polish government revealed that Poland is losing the war with Russia in 5 days and the army is in total disarray.

In this variant, it is not surprising when Germany is recreating the borders of Second Reich  from before World War I and the situation in 2021 returns to the state of 1914.

Edited February 7, 2021 by Tomasz

[Symmetry + 109]

4 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

The all volunteer United States military is being dismantled before our eyes. Wrong think is being punished, if a soldier dares to espouse a belief in Making America Great he or she is to be Removed from service.

Soldiers are required to obey the Commander in Chief.  They may vote as they wish but are required to be non-partisan while doing their jobs.

You can't allow dissent to fester - traitors and spies must be removed from the military - this is nothing new.

Make no mistake, if you are still conspiring to remove the POTUS you are a traitor. 

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

23 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

The all volunteer United States military is being dismantled before our eyes. Wrong think is being punished, if a soldier dares to espouse a belief in Making America Great he or she is to be Removed from service.

This is utter insanity. The ramifications? Pax Americanus is going the way of the Dodo bird. That means the value of the petrodollar is going to disappear since without the military there's no value in denominating oil trades in dollars if there's no military backing your regime. 

It's worth posting at least some of that article:

Pentagon goes rooting for ‘extremists’ among its 3.6mn trained killers

(Excerpt)

The US military is making a big show of cleansing its ranks of ‘extremism’ – because nothing says tolerance like raining fiery death on innocent strangers at the command of a guy who just stepped down from Raytheon’s board.

With “domestic extremists” now officially the enemy du jour in Washington, the top order of business has become finding some. On Wednesday, newly-anointed secretary of defense (and former Raytheon board member) Lloyd Austin ordered a two-month stand-down so that commanders could engage in “needed discussions” with their subordinates on the issue.

Did we mention they have a lot of subordinates? There are 3.6 million service members in the most expensive military in the world, and evaluating every single one of them for a characteristic that lacks even a universally-agreed-upon definition is certain to be both time-consuming and frustrating.

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The FBI, DHS and other security agencies have, at various times, declared almost every American to be some sort of anti-government extremist or other, from “conspiracy theorists” to, well, veterans, depending on that season’s trend in fear. But even the most ambitious diversity consultant can’t just lock up millions of Americans for thoughtcrime – yet.

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19 hours ago, Tomasz said:

This week the Polish government revealed that Poland is losing the war with Russia in 5 days and the army is in total disarray.

Maybe you could re-write that sentence so it doesn't look like Poland and Russia are, right now, fighting a shooting war?

[Tomasz + 1,608]

4 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

Maybe you could re-write that sentence so it doesn't look like Poland and Russia are, right now, fighting a shooting war?

Sorry, but I am not fluent in English, so I will clarify my statement.

 Recently, the Polish general staff had exercises and it turned out that our Polish army is totally unprepared for any armed conflict, and despite interfering in the internal affairs of Belarus and Ukraine, it is losing the war with Russia in 5 days.

Some people called for Poland, as a medium-sized country, to start policy according to the possibilities.

Such a bucket of cold water on the head because some propagandists proclaim that Poland will be a new regional power in Central and Eastern Europe.

The previous post was a free fantasy because a war in Europe does not seem very likely to me.

But if someone asks what the consequences could be the total collapse of the power of the American army, I tried to answer this question.

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 2/6/2021 at 1:22 PM, El Nikko said:

Countries that 'purge' their best military minds have historically been taken over by Communists or Marxists.

It would have been hard to believe that could have happened in the west even a decade ago but here we are.

 

Leftists continually attempt to subvert the military and all aspects of our government and culture. Changing the names of our famous Southern Forts is one example that President Trump would have stopped. When I was in the army in Germany during the Goldwater versus Johnson race, our company commander told us that we should vote for Johnson or would be going to Vietnam. Johnson said that Goldwater would IMO have bombed the hell out of North Vietnam and not sent large numbers of soldiers there. 

There were many reports, during Obama's tenure of chaplains being told not to use the name of Jesus Christ in their services and that bibles were not to be kept on desks or openly displayed. Christmas displays were not allowed in Veterans hospitals either. 

We may find that our best potential recruits will not be interested in a military career when they know what the culture of the new army will be. They will be sleeping in barracks with transsexuals and open homosexuals. There have always been covert homosexual draftees. Southerners have always been prominent in the military forces leadership and enlisted forces. They will now be less likely to serve. Expect real problems in keeping forces up and having quality enlistees. 

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

On 2/6/2021 at 3:18 PM, Symmetry said:

Soldiers are required to obey the Commander in Chief.  They may vote as they wish but are required to be non-partisan while doing their jobs.

You can't allow dissent to fester - traitors and spies must be removed from the military - this is nothing new.

Make no mistake, if you are still conspiring to remove the POTUS you are a traitor. 

The duly elected commander in chief is Trump. The Thief in Chief is Biden. The coup de etat has already occurred. Trump attempted to follow all legal means, the other side had no such compunctions. Meanwhile the most Manchurian candidate of all time occupies what appears on video to be a movie set, with inaccurate views out the windows and improper details, such as the Resolute Desk and wrinkled curtains. In fact, additional videos of him signing his 100's of executive orders (in his wife's hand no less) aren't even in the oval office anymore, too many people called out the discrepancies so now we see Xiden signing blank EO's in a nondescript room that could be anywhere with handlers assistance/encouragement, "Just sign it" they order when he complains he doesn't even know what he's looking at. 

[notsonice + 1,067]

30 minutes ago, Ward Smith said:

The duly elected commander in chief is Trump. The Thief in Chief is Biden. The coup de etat has already occurred. Trump attempted to follow all legal means, the other side had no such compunctions. Meanwhile the most Manchurian candidate of all time occupies what appears on video to be a movie set, with inaccurate views out the windows and improper details, such as the Resolute Desk and wrinkled curtains. In fact, additional videos of him signing his 100's of executive orders (in his wife's hand no less) aren't even in the oval office anymore, too many people called out the discrepancies so now we see Xiden signing blank EO's in a nondescript room that could be anywhere with handlers assistance/encouragement, "Just sign it" they order when he complains he doesn't even know what he's looking at. 

The duly elected commander in chief is Trump???? another low IQ post from Ward who lives in denial and claims he is a victim. Question have you been claiming to be a victim and living in denial your whole life? Just asking for a friend

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

4 hours ago, notsonice said:

The duly elected commander in chief is Trump???? another low IQ post from Ward who lives in denial and claims he is a victim. Question have you been claiming to be a victim and living in denial your whole life? Just asking for a friend

If we're counting legal votes, Trump wins hands down. I'm confident your fantasies involve being the boy toy for Chinese agents. That they're male didn't change your fantasy much did it? 

[ronwagn + 6,290]

On 2/6/2021 at 5:05 PM, Tomasz said:

The effect is that America cannot wage two wars simultaneously.You were probably unable to do that just after 2008. 

 I mean, I'm assuming the scenario there is emerging Russian-chinese military alliance and that China attacks Taiwan and, at the same time, Russia attacks Europe.

So the US faces a difficult choice whether to defend Taiwan or Europe.

But in my opinion, this is a purely hypothetical variant.

In fact, I think Russians are able to get to the German-Polish border before NATO takes military action.

This week the Polish government revealed that Poland is losing the war with Russia in 5 days and the army is in total disarray.

In this variant, it is not surprising when Germany is recreating the borders of Second Reich  from before World War I and the situation in 2021 returns to the state of 1914.

Sure, while Germany is buying their natural gas from Russia and not funding their own military. Europe is no threat to Russia. The Russian people are becoming a real threat to Putin though. He certainly seems to think so anyway.   

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

9 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Sure, while Germany is buying their natural gas from Russia and not funding their own military. Europe is no threat to Russia. The Russian people are becoming a real threat to Putin though. He certainly seems to think so anyway.   

Kinda like Xiden and the Demoncrats, building walls (even though they claim they don't work) around the Capitol and thousands of National Guard troops? Looks just like Putin

[Symmetry + 109]

6 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

If we're counting legal votes, Trump wins hands down. I'm confident your fantasies involve being the boy toy for Chinese agents. That they're male didn't change your fantasy much did it? 

You're really obsessed with gay men lately.

Add this post to your fantasy that everyone is Locutus and that Tump won.

Edited February 9, 2021 by Symmetry

[Spuds McKenzie + 8]

Eye. Roll. 
...by toothless you mean without traitor Trump loving extremists?

 Let’s be honest, How close are you to strapping on a suicide vest in the name of Your holy deity Trump?

 You’re a fanatic who has lost touch with reality, all for a lifelong Democrat, pro choice, atheist, draft dodging, NYC conman who bankrupted friggin Casinos & only real success in life was as the host of a scripted fake TV game show.
 You’re now part of the game show. 

 But by all means carry on. You’re doing Gods work. 
 Eye. 
 Roll. 
one more time. 
 

 

 

[lordoflys + 2]

Trump is/was a cult. He was never qualified to teach 1st grade let alone run a country. His legacy left the US in a sad state of divisiveness and disarray. Let go of the Trumpcult and get with the program. There are still some fine Republicans and Indies to support if you cannot stomach the thought of voting for a Democrat. The truth is, the Democrats will bring this country back to a semblance of the greatness it had before Trump rolled into town. Prison next.

[Dan Warnick + 6,100]

Nice to meet you Spuds & Lord.  Wouldn't it be easier to just use one account?

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

49 minutes ago, Dan Warnick said:

Nice to meet you Spuds & Lord.  Wouldn't it be easier to just use one account?

It's the only way Enthalpic gets upvotes. From his socks 

[Ward Smith + 6,615]

It's nice to know Xiden is consistent. Illegally stops the Keystone pipeline but happily supports one for The Taliban to enjoy, because as everyone knows, climate change isn't global

[notsonice + 1,067]

On 2/9/2021 at 12:42 PM, Ward Smith said:

It's the only way Enthalpic gets upvotes. From his socks 

Looks like Enthalpic got the better of you. Why are you so obsessed with him?

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

On 2/6/2021 at 6:05 PM, Tomasz said:

The effect is that America cannot wage two wars simultaneously. You were probably unable to do that just after 2008. 

You egregiously misunderstand American military capabilities.  The USA can conduct as many wars simultaneously as it wishes; the limiting factor is not military capability, it is the politics of the day. 

Wars today are no longer fought by masses of men moving around on the ground; that is so last-century.  Today, a battle-space will be dominated by electronic means, using drones and missiles.  A cohort of men sitting before electronic consoles in Nevada will determine the outcome of a battle in the Caucasus, if they wished to.  Nobody is going to be sending fifteen divisions to slug it out along the banks of the Oder River. 

Tomorrow's wars will be won without a single American soldier even firing a shot from a rifle.  After crushing the opposition forces, the US will occupy the territory with M1A2 Abrams tanks, quite invincible armor which it has mass-produced by the thousands.  Nobody is going to defeat the American army.  And nobody is even going to try.  

I really don't think you grasp just how much firepower the US has at its disposal.  One US aircraft-carrier battle group already overwhelms the firepower of the entire WWII navies of the world.  And the USA has ten carrier battle groups.  And it builds new carriers at the rate of one every two years.  And it builds four nuclear fast-attack submarines each year. And you seriously think somebody else on the planet can take that on?  No chance. 

[Symmetry + 109]

14 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

You egregiously misunderstand American military capabilities.  The USA can conduct as many wars simultaneously as it wishes; the limiting factor is not military capability, it is the politics of the day. 

Wars today are no longer fought by masses of men moving around on the ground; that is so last-century.  Today, a battle-space will be dominated by electronic means, using drones and missiles.  A cohort of men sitting before electronic consoles in Nevada will determine the outcome of a battle in the Caucasus, if they wished to.  Nobody is going to be sending fifteen divisions to slug it out along the banks of the Oder River. 

Tomorrow's wars will be won without a single American soldier even firing a shot from a rifle.  After crushing the opposition forces, the US will occupy the territory with M1A2 Abrams tanks, quite invincible armor which it has mass-produced by the thousands.  Nobody is going to defeat the American army.  And nobody is even going to try.  

I really don't think you grasp just how much firepower the US has at its disposal.  One US aircraft-carrier battle group already overwhelms the firepower of the entire WWII navies of the world.  And the USA has ten carrier battle groups.  And it builds new carriers at the rate of one every two years.  And it builds four nuclear fast-attack submarines each year. And you seriously think somebody else on the planet can take that on?  No chance. 

Indeed yet people hang onto outdated gun-right laws for no reason.   Zero effectiveness in modern warfare, only good for shooting yourself or your neighbours.

You also correctly note that the internet / computers will dominate warfare.  You don't even need a human pilot, algorithms / AI can shoot stuff.  Zero friendly fire causalities if none of your people are on the battle field... a few AI mistakes is fine.

Your aircraft carrier math is off.  11 active but far from one made every two years, the average is 4.2 years. Some of the fleet is pretty old.

(75, 77, 82, 86, 89, 92, 95, 98, 03, 09, 17). 

The rest of the world combined is also 11.

 

 

 

 

[El Nikko + 2,145]

On 2/7/2021 at 6:15 PM, Dan Warnick said:

Maybe you could re-write that sentence so it doesn't look like Poland and Russia are, right now, fighting a shooting war?

Actually Poland has had major love (and of course investment) from the US because of what and where it is...think South Korea!

Poland has over taken Germany in it's importance to the US for it's role to hold back the Russians.

The Russians in my opinion are not and have not been particularly aggressive except when threatened almost directly with the coup in Ukraine. The reason the morons in power complain about Russia all the time is because they're creating the threat by threatening Russia which has a very very defensive strategy. To see that just look at how much resources the US and Russia put into different military systems. 

So I would agree Poland feels like it's on the front line.

Also regarding Ukraine, the US (and maybe some EU countries but definately the UK) has been baiting Russia into invading Ukraine for years, Russia so far has resisted because of the cost internally and politically internationally...but eventually they may have to.

[Jan van Eck + 7,558]

1 hour ago, Symmetry said:

Your aircraft carrier math is off.  11 active but far from one made every two years, the average is 4.2 years. Some of the fleet is pretty old.

(75, 77, 82, 86, 89, 92, 95, 98, 03, 09, 17). 

That old, creaky, vintage 1975 aircraft carrier of the Americans has more firepower and more capability than the newest, slickest, biggest carrier of any other country - and can sink anything it wants to.  The Americans also have another fifty or so aircraft carriers sitting in mothballs, ready to be activated any time (although it is hard to imagine any need, considering that only one super-carrier can blast away the entire navy of any possible adversary).  You just don't get it:  nothing can stop the Americans.  They have more firepower than the rest of the planet combined, and can and do totally control any possible battle-space. They are, quite literally, the First Galactic Empire, in terms of firepower. 

1 hour ago, Symmetry said:

The rest of the world combined is also 11.

And those eleven, combined, do not even come close to the firepower of one US nuclear super-carrier. Do try to grasp this: the Americans have the most firepower out there, more than everybody else, by a factor of at least fifty, if not 500.  And that is why the planet is (mostly) peaceful: nobody can take on the Americans.  And for miscreants that think they can run terrorism raids with impunity - well, the Americans can drop a bomb right into your trousers back-pocket, controlled from a video-screen in a room in Nevada.  That Iranian terror commander found that one out the hard way, as you might recall. 

1 hour ago, Symmetry said:

Indeed yet people hang onto outdated gun-right laws for no reason.   Zero effectiveness in modern warfare, only good for shooting yourself or your neighbours.

Well, Vermont has NO gun laws at all, and also no crime (other than shoplifting and petty theft, to support opioid drug habits, and unfortunate result of Purdue Pharmaceuticals campaign to enrich itself by creating addicts for their products).  You just don't get it: that is not why Americans have guns.  Anyway, not something I care to discuss with you, that is a hopeless exercise. 

[Symmetry + 109]

50 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

That old, creaky, vintage 1975 aircraft carrier of the Americans has more firepower and more capability than the newest, slickest, biggest carrier of any other country - and can sink anything it wants to.

I understand how aircraft carriers work and I agree they are essentially unsinkable fortresses. The actual ships themselves can be old but the aircraft, escort ships, and weaponry are going to be up-to-date and devastating.

I do not underestimate military power of the United States.  I've been to San Diego and seen massive ships and to Tucson where there are literally fields filled with old planes and modern fighters practising above.