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20 hours ago, Symmetry said:

 

Trump not only lost, he destroyed the party.

Morris : Democrats intimidated Supreme Court into not taking on Pa vote cases.

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/1011090/16 

 

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@surrept33, you deserve the Purple Cup for that massive post, just for effort!  

Now, I gotta go study it.  A bit like the Dead Sea Scrolls, I will need some PhD credentials first....

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2 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Sorry Jan, but I respectfully disagree with you and agree with El Gato.

Ward, please don't confuse me with the quotes that were taken from a certain Resignation Letter from the leader of the Burlington, VT, Republican Party.  I had nothing to do with that Letter, did not ghost-write it, do not claim I ascribe to it, and have nothing to do with the author.  I copied and pasted the bulk of it merely to show that dissension in the ranks extends even to this sleepy part of the nation.  As to the veracity of the representations, that burden is for the writer to bear. 

All that said, everyone here seems to forget just how far to the Right the current Republican party has shifted.  I would point to the 1952-1960 time bracket where General Dwight Eisenhower was President.  A key plank of his was universal single-payer health care, a program that goes far left of what Hillary Clinton contrived. By "single-payer" it was meant that the Federal Government would foot the bills through the general tax revenue, all services without any charge or even co-pay to anybody in the nation.  Thus, no health-insurance industry (and no premiums). That was mainstream Republicanism back in the day. 

Although I have not studied the Eisenhower proposals in depth, I think I can safely conclude that it intended that there would be no fee-for-service.  I.e. all physicians, nurses, everybody, would be a public servant, paid a straight salary. Hard to imagine republicans today agreeing with that specific value set.  Just saying. 

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2 hours ago, Roch said:

 

You think that 75 million Trump voters are fanatics ?  Please. 

No, I do not think there are 75 million fanatics.

I also don't think Trump would get anywhere close to that many votes again.  Do not kid yourself, Trump's "brand" is in the trash; only the fanatical cult remains supportive.

Regular Joe Republican voter has had enough embarrassment and wants new leadership.

People who pretended to like him hoping for a kickback have moved on.  Do not confuse fear of being "fired" or brown-nosing with genuine support.

People who actually tried to help him got back-stabbed and moved on. 

Watch, his wife will move on next. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Symmetry said:

No, I do not think there are 75 million fanatics.

I also don't think Trump would get anywhere close to that many votes again.  Do not kid yourself, Trump's "brand" is in the trash; only the fanatical cult remains supportive.

Regular Joe Republican voter has had enough embarrassment and wants new leadership.

People who pretended to like him hoping for a kickback have moved on.  Do not confuse fear of being "fired" or brown-nosing with genuine support.

People who actually tried to help him got back-stabbed and moved on. 

Watch, his wife will move on next. 

 

Only in your dreams. 

You'll now have nightmares about Trump.  

LOL

He's baaaaccckk !  

You going to watch his CPAC  speech on Sunday ?

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2 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

That guy who quit was never a Republican, just a democrat in Republican clothing. A RINO. 

As per above.

Regular Joe Republican voters do not like Trump anymore.  The cult members now call regular Republicans names and pretend they stand for the true party values, which they do not, as Jan pointed out.

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11 minutes ago, Symmetry said:

 

Watch, his wife will move on next. 

 

 

I doubt that.  But if she does he'll get another one .

Fourth time's a charm. 

 

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1 minute ago, Symmetry said:

As per above.

Regular Joe Republican voters do not like Trump anymore.  The cult members now call regular Republicans names and pretend they stand for the true party values, which they do not, as Jan pointed out.

Are you going to watch Sunday ? 

LOL 

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7 minutes ago, Roch said:

He's baaaaccckk !  

You going to watch his CPAC  speech on Sunday ?

Funny, add this to your giant pile of wrong.

Sure, I will probably watch clips and enjoy the resulting comedy.   

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1 minute ago, Roch said:

I doubt that.  But if she does hell get another one

 

Fourth time is the charm. 

Nice Christian Republican values there.

"Grab 'em by the pussy."

 

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14 hours ago, Symmetry said:

Nice Christian Republican values there.

"Grab 'em by the pussy."

 

LOL 

Keep grasping.  Do your Pelosistian rants make you feel better. OK, then keep them coming.  

In the meantime see a therapist. It is nothing to be ashamed of, many Democrats are seeing therapists since 2016.  

Sym if you run into your friend Hillary will you tell her to cut out the public statements.  Nobody cares what she has to say.  Nobody in any party.

SHE LOST TO TRUMP  !  LOL   !

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10 minutes ago, Roch said:

SHE LOST TO TRUMP  !  LOL   !

Trump lost to Biden! LOL!

"Maybe I'll have to leave the country"  <--- foreshadowing running from the law....

 

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Trump's party (by this I mean the Republicans, not the Democrats) lost the Presidency, House, and Senate. I guess Trump appointed a bunch of judges (this is pretty random in terms of who dies and what you may be able to "expect" from a judge) and started a bunch of trade wars. What did he win from those economic wars? 

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22 minutes ago, Roch said:

 

Keep grasping. 

Do you consider yourself a traditional republican with that disposable wife comment?

Goes to church, hard working, pays taxes, strong family values, white picket fence, apple pie in the window... republican Fantasy.

Cheap beer drinking, NASCAR, porn, degrading women and scapegoating failures... trump cult Reality.

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1 hour ago, Symmetry said:

Trump lost to Biden! LOL!

"Maybe I'll have to leave the country"  <--- foreshadowing running from the law....

 

Trump didn't lose to Biden

It was stolen 

LOL.

Where have you been  ?

 

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2 hours ago, Symmetry said:

"Grab 'em by the pussy."

Enthalpic, while we have become inured to your vulgar expressions of anti-Americanism, even for you this is a new low. 

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14 hours ago, Symmetry said:

Do you consider yourself a traditional republican with that disposable wife comment?

Goes to church, hard working, pays taxes, strong family values, white picket fence, apple pie in the window... republican Fantasy.

Cheap beer drinking, NASCAR, porn, degrading women and scapegoating failures... trump cult Reality.

I'm not a Republican. 

Sorry

Unaffiliated .  Didn't vote for Trump in '16. I abstained. Never Hillary, thank God.  Hillary thinks people are interested in what she has to say.  Nobody cares what she says.  

What the Dems did to Trump's Administration is unacceptable .  .  .  and he still was successful. 

I did like Republican President Reagan. Remember how they used to say he was the type of person you'd like to have a beer with.

Would you like to have a beer with or even be in the same room with a Eric Swalwell , Maxine Waters , Nancy Pelosi , Chuck Schumer, McConnell ? Ugh !

I'd have a beer with AOC. I think she would be fun if she loosened up a little bit over a drink.  But no talking about politics. That would ruin it. 

A U.S.House Rep whom was a Democrat Impeachment Manager said Trump wanted his supporters to kill V.P. Pence .  The scary part is I think she believes it.  She's certifiable crazy.  Many other Dems like that.  Other Dems say that and more.  Absolutely nuts.  Are they that (a) crazy or that (b) full of hate or that (c) stupid or (d) all of the above ?

Trump's primary message is no longer "Make America Great Again" but "Save our Freedom - Save our Constitution"

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17 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

while we have become inured to your vulgar expressions of anti-Americanism, even for you this is a new low. 

Quote from Trump, hence the " " marks.

 

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4 hours ago, Symmetry said:

Funny, add this to your giant pile of wrong.

Sure, I will probably watch clips and enjoy the resulting comedy.   

Which clips will you watch ?

The edited ones from MSNBC and CNN that misrepresent Trump's words ? You know , like the Democrats Impeachment Managers selectively edited. 

or 

The ones from Fox News and Newsmax ?

 

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28 minutes ago, Roch said:

Trump didn't lose to Biden

It was stolen 

LOL.

Where have you been  ?

 

In reality where they looked into that and decided the fraud claim was false. 

You live in the fantasy.

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3 minutes ago, Roch said:

The ones from Fox News and Newsmax ?

 

Sure, before they issue massive retractions?

Will it have a giant disclaimer?  Did Trump pay for his commercial time, or did my pillow?

You do realize Trump no longer can do real political announcements, right?

 

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28 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

, while we have become inured to your vulgar expressions of anti-Americanism, even for you this is a new low. 

 You are defending scum and are trying to make me sound like the bad guy - for shame.

 

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34 minutes ago, Jan van Eck said:

Enthalpic, while we have become inured to your vulgar expressions of anti-Americanism, even for you this is a new low. 

You should have been here the night he shown the door, it was very apparent the individual has some extreme fascinations with self abuse is the word i shall say. Truly a temper tantrum of expletives a porn writer might well blush...or perhaps a byproduct of some in depth research.

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38 minutes ago, Roch said:

I'm not a Republican. 

Sorry

Unaffiliated .  Didn't vote for Trump in '16. I abstained. Never Hillary. 

What the Dems did to Trump's Administration is unacceptable .  .  .  and he still was successful. 

I did like Republican President Reagan. Remember how they used to say he was the type of person you'd like to have a beer with.

Would you like to have a beer with or even be in the same room with a Eric Swalwell , Maxine Waters , Nancy Pelosi , Chuck Schumer ? Ugh !

I'd have a beer with AOC. I think she would be fun if she loosened up a little bit over a drink.  But no talking about politics.

A U.S.House Rep whom was a Democrat Impeachment Manager said Trump wanted his supporters to kill V.P. Pence .  She's certifiable crazy.  Many other Dems like that.  Other Dems say that and more.  Absolutely nuts.  Are they that (a) crazy or that (b) full of hate or that (c) stupid or (d) all of the above ?

Trump's primary message is no longer "Make America Great Again" but "Save our Freedom - Save our Constitution"

You are on a roll today!  I'm guessing it's a 2007 Cabernet Sauvignon.  :)  Do tell.

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1 hour ago, Jan van Eck said:

Ward, please don't confuse me with the quotes that were taken from a certain Resignation Letter from the leader of the Burlington, VT, Republican Party.  I had nothing to do with that Letter, did not ghost-write it, do not claim I ascribe to it, and have nothing to do with the author.  I copied and pasted the bulk of it merely to show that dissension in the ranks extends even to this sleepy part of the nation.  As to the veracity of the representations, that burden is for the writer to bear. 

All that said, everyone here seems to forget just how far to the Right the current Republican party has shifted.  I would point to the 1952-1960 time bracket where General Dwight Eisenhower was President.  A key plank of his was universal single-payer health care, a program that goes far left of what Hillary Clinton contrived. By "single-payer" it was meant that the Federal Government would foot the bills through the general tax revenue, all services without any charge or even co-pay to anybody in the nation.  Thus, no health-insurance industry (and no premiums). That was mainstream Republicanism back in the day. 

Although I have not studied the Eisenhower proposals in depth, I think I can safely conclude that it intended that there would be no fee-for-service.  I.e. all physicians, nurses, everybody, would be a public servant, paid a straight salary. Hard to imagine republicans today agreeing with that specific value set.  Just saying. 

Jan, I would use public education system in the US to reinforce my disagreement about the outcome regardless of the intention. Corrupt people will find way to corrupt things so I would focus in downsize the public sectors and regulation the corporation to increase private competitions and less in the subsidies sides. 

IMHO inequality in the US came from  very negative mindset that the low income feel that they are not that far to the high income in the values of their skill sets visioning and efforts not only from salary jobs but since in schools. If they feel they were born in the wrong skin colors or families so I would say the same the inequality in being born in the US and other third world countries where going to school itself is a luxury.

I don't think a fast food worker in US works harder than fast food worker in the poor countries yet the income is tremendously different for the same job value ( the price of meat in the US is similar to VN if not cheaper,  people in VN simply have less meat). The gap in inequality between professional jobs and general labors in VN are much bigger than in the US but they wouldn't complain.

I couldn't compare IT worker job US and VN because it is much complicated to compare and it is hard to tell how much time investment or risk taking involves or values of the product but I doubt my skills worth the differences.

I am not out of touch with the poor people as my net worth is negative with mortgage. My wife grew up in poverty, with a divorced family and her mum really didn't care about her ( and I would guess that was why she attached to me in middle school and later flied to NZ to marry me after 10 years of no contact ). All she did was trying to get good marks, getting to gifted class, getting  into top school and top university. She doesn't have a US college degrees but since came to the US, she works hard to learn from her job although I pushed her to do college at night for a engineer degree to match her title ( She completed her Associate this year) .  Her income is similar to me but she has 10 hours overtime every week. I assure you not many countries that investment in the effort of working and learning can have that kind of pay off. 

Learning out of your comfort zone means constantly being slapped in the face that you are not as smart as you thought you are.

But instead of the society, education, politicians, media embrace the values of effort as a map for youngster who have ignorant parents, all they can hear is the condition they were in is the because of social inequality and it is someone else's fault, or because the rich exploited them and they deserve more to get their votes and destroyed their potentials. 

I taught Vietnamese to US born Vietnamese kids in temple (pre covid19 time). I have a student who didn't know what career should he go to college for. I persuaded him to choose IT. He listened, intended to choose the easier IT degree because the other one are too hard. I told him because that is hard and that's why you will have better chance to find job when graduate. I told him to apply internship to big tech, he listened. I prepared him within my knowledge for the interview and this summer, when he finishes his 2nd year, he will have an internship as software engineer in Amazon and his wage in that 3 months would be higher than me. But the most important thing is his future is secured. 

Youngster are potential but are vulnerable to go the wrong direction as they  are dreamer and have no vision but from dramma or tv shows  and they need parents, brothers, or teachers or society to motivate them to strive hard. Everyone is young once and it will benefit greatly to reduce the gap in inequality. The current social theme will make inequality worse in a free society unless we all have nothing to do. 

My philosophy is if people around me get better, then somehow I will be better off. 

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