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Biden about to face first real test. Russia building up military on Ukraine border.

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Former Defense Sec Gates, ". . . he (Biden) has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades."

DIDN'T TAKE RUSSIA LONG BEFORE THEY TESTED JOE.

Do you think Putin Cares what Joe thinks ?

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Joe recently publicly called Putin a murderer. REALLY !

 

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Fine example of diplomacy Joe.  .  .  NOT.

Biden has stated International Diplomacy is his strong suit. You have to laugh.

Joe, this isn't Corn Pop you are dealing with.

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/1016197/1

Solution: Joe should send son Hunter as special envoy to Russia and Ukraine.  Hunter has great contacts inside both countries.  (1) did big business in Ukraine with politically connected individuals. (2) Hunter did business in Russia receiving $3 Million from the wife of the Moscow mayor. For what I have no idea.

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News:

"The United States has asked Moscow to explain "provocations" on the border with Ukraine, the U.S. State Department said on Monday, amid reports of a large Russian military buildup."

That-a-way Joe you showed Putin who's boss.  I'm sure he's shaking in his boots.  First, you call him a murderer, now you want him to explain his actions to you.

Joe, if the phone don't ring you know it's Putin.  

LOL

 

Zelenskiy, started this recent confrontation. Apparently this Russian buildup by Putin was precipitated by Ukraine's Zelenskiy government release that demanded Crimea be returned. 

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I don’t think Joe cares what you or Putin thinks. We need to end all trade and cooperation with Russia and kick them out of the world banking system. Russia is clearly a rogue state who’s mischief has been tolerated to long.

Let China,Russia, Iran, N Korea etc go their own way and screw each other. There is no need to trade with disruptive countries. 

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3 hours ago, Roch said:

DIDN'T TAKE RUSSIA LONG BEFORE THEY TESTED JOE.

Do you think Putin Cares what Joe thinks ?

Joe recently publicly called Putin a murderer.

Fine example of diplomacy Joe.  .  .  NOT.

Joe, this isn't Corn Pop you are dealing with.

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/1016197/1

Solution: Joe should send son Hunter as special envoy to Russia and Ukraine.  Hunter has great contacts inside both countries.  (1) did big business in Ukraine with politically connected individuals. (2) Hunter did business in Russia receiving $3 Million from the wife of the Moscow mayor. For what I have no idea.

 

 

What?  Barack and Hillary's "reset" button idea didn't work out?  Who'd a thought?

Maybe they are telling Joe to bring it up again!  Just talk more in the tone and vernacular of "socialist to socialist", you know?

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It's pretty incredible isn't it?  The people of America, by and large, want the U.S. out of war and armed conflict.  Trump was the first President in decades to follow that path, and was extracting us from existing conflicts when the Left orchestrated this particular administration.  Mark my words: the Biden Administration IS going to get the U.S. into a major conflict, and sooner rather than later.  I sure hope our military has the leadership to keep us out of a nuclear armageddon, at least.  That leadership would have to be in the face of what is in the White House at this time.

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On 4/3/2021 at 11:05 AM, Boat said:

I don’t think Joe cares what you or Putin thinks. We need to end all trade and cooperation with Russia and kick them out of the world banking system. Russia is clearly a rogue state who’s mischief has been tolerated to long.

Let China,Russia, Iran, N Korea etc go their own way and screw each other. There is no need to trade with disruptive countries. 

Don't you think Joe should be consistent with his foreign policy.  Without it he will never gain any credibility.

President Biden called Putin a murderer on Network TV !

Biden says international Diplomacy is his strong suit. LOL .

Not according to former Secretary of Defense Gates.  Former Defense Sec Gates, ". . . he (Biden) has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades."

(1) China Secretary General of the Chinese Communist Party Xi Jinping: 

* Enslaves and murders the Uighur population.  Its called GENOCIDE.

Oh , Joe can't sanction China that would cost Biden Inc. (Joe Biden, brother James Biden, son Hunter Biden) $tens of millions in business with the CCP.  Has Hunter divested his investments with the CCP as he promised ?

* Xi Jinping and the Chinese govt allowed the killing of millions of baby Chinese girls because " they were the wrong gender".  It's called infanticide.

 

(2) Iran is :

* The leading sponsor of state terrorism .

* Responsible for killing thousands of U.S. military.

* Kills Iranian gay men in public by hanging or throwing them off the roof of a ten story building because of their sexual preference .  .  .  

.  .  and now Joe rewards them by starting negotiations to drop all sanctions.  Way to go Joe. 

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So tell me what will Biden do when Putin's troops cross the Ukraine border ?

My guess Joe will send them a few $Billion in military weapons, equipment and munitions and wish them the best of luck.  

It won't stop Putin. 

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You say let Russia, N. Korea and Iran go their own way and screw each other.  How Naive.

They are now working together with great success and not screwing each other.  

 

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5 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

It's pretty incredible isn't it?  The people of America, by and large, want the U.S. out of war and armed conflict.  Trump was the first President in decades to follow that path, and was extracting us from existing conflicts when the Left orchestrated this particular administration.  Mark my words: the Biden Administration IS going to get the U.S. into a major conflict, and sooner rather than later.  I sure hope our military has the leadership to keep us out of a nuclear armageddon, at least.  That leadership would have to be in the face of what is in the White House at this time.

Except that it was Obama who largely drew down the wars (except for averting disasters that came as a result of Bush's wars).

Now let's talk about the major weakness of Trump's administration: the new field of cyberwarfare. Trump failed to recognize what a LOT of people told him, and publicly declared it "fake news". A big part of 21st century warfare is cyber, something Trump had very little idea about. What did Trump do to protect our country in this regard? He constantly threw his own intel community under the bus and undermined our institutions. Trump knows the art of дезинформация very well. 

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President Biden called Zelenskiy Friday.

"President Biden assured me that Ukraine will be never left alone against Russia’s aggression,” Zelenskiy said in a video address after the call. A full cease-fire is necessary to continue “the difficult but necessary talks” with international leaders, including France, Germany and Russia, as well as the U.S., on resolving the conflict in a diplomatic matter, he said."

All talk. Let's see what Joe does when the incursion starts some time before the end of this year. Germany and France love to "talk" but are never there when they have to put some skin in the game. 
 
 
* NOTE: Are Germany and France going to pressure Russia, the country that will be supplying their countries' economy with NordStream ll natural gas ? No, it's ALL TALK. 

 

"Biden also supports Zelenskiy’s “plan to tackle corruption and implement a reform agenda based on our shared democratic values that delivers justice, security, and prosperity to the people of Ukraine,” according to the White House readout."

Biden tackle Ukraine corruption ?  Who's going to head the U.S. efforts ?  Hunter. 

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Wait till China invades Taiwan. Xiden will betray them in a New York second

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On 4/3/2021 at 6:23 PM, Ward Smith said:

Wait till China invades Taiwan. Xiden will betray them in a New York second

And Disney, Coke, Apple, Hunter/James Biden, MLB, NBA etc, etc, etc will support China. 

Major League Baseball supports expansion in China (whom practices Genocide against Uyghurs)  . . . .  While abandons Georgia, takes away All-Star game for requiring a picture ID to vote .

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/05/mlb-expanding-presence-in-china-while-pulling-out-of-atlanta/ 

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The USA wants to hit Russia with Ukraine.
Of course, the Ukrainians will pay the price with their blood, because the equipment and the war will be financed by the USA. Modern military equipment requires extensive training. What eventually ends up in the UKR is to put into service after the soldiers have been trained for it - will not be useful during the war. Another thing is with the post-Soviet equipment in former east european coutries- a quick handover of such equipment would make the most sense because it is already in use by the UKR troops, while the UKR itself has a large industrial potential for quick and sensible modernization taking into account the cost / effect ratio.
It will hit Russia economically, and morally as well, because after all, both nations are still relatively close to each other, not like the culturally alien nations of the Middle East, which ordinary Russians do not feel sorry for.
In addition, it will hit the image and probably also hit Putin's political ratings, unless he effectively censors all information about the Russians killed in this war.
It's a profitable deal for the US. They weaken Russia, their competitor, and may tie it more militarily into a proxy conflict, at a relatively low cost for themselves. And through such a conflict, by tying Russia tighter in a clinch with Ukraine, they reduce the chances that Russia will start some new war with any of the other countries.
In a sense, with the hands of the Ukrainians, they will increase the security of NATO's eastern flank.
Turkey can support Ukraine with its equipment, as it has been doing so far, and this could increase Russian-Turkish antagonism, so this is another advantage of such a scenario for the US.
In addition, it will also be a signal to European partners in NATO to arm themselves even more seriously and prepare for war, so it is another advantage for the USA.
Proxy war is the standard scenario of undermining rival powers, and there are many signs that the US may use this opportunity to tire and bleed Russia out.

So USA will fight Russia until the last Ukrainian. 

In turn, I can assure you Russia, also ruthless in the matter of its national security, will sooner make Ukraine a second Syria or Iraq than allow this country to finally enter the Western sphere of influence.

It is enough to know anything about Russian history to conclude that this country will never give up Ukraine and Belarus because it is just Moscow's turnstiles and if someone dreams of Ukraine in NATO, it is unfortunately dangerous for a lasting peace in Europe.

I remember the famous Kennan, probably in 1998, to conclude what follows.

New York Times May 2, 1998 - it is worth reading the words of the veteran of American geopolitics, George Kennan, from a long message

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/02/opinion/foreign-affairs-now-a-word-from-x.html?fbclid=IwAR38n1hdZtXN5Lmeo9T_nztkOIwrq5fp9RAVmLK8766qkYZZSkvF357E7sA

But cool down, keep fighting Russia with sanctions and move NATO troops to the very tollgates of Moscow.

And of course, do these reforms in the army, such as promoting LGBT and transgender people, and then you will definitely win the war for global hegemony  with China- Russian great  axies axies because Russia of course will engage even more with China. 

They have already received ballistic missile early warning technologies and some of the latest military technologies. But you can always go on.

As far as I know for example Russia and the USA have an equal number of ballistic missiles and the Chinese unfortunately only have 300. What would you say for Russia to sell a couple of hundred ballistic missiles  to China for several bilion $.

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President Biden called Zelenskiy Friday.

"President Biden assured me that Ukraine will be never left alone against Russia’s aggression,” Zelenskiy said in a video address after the call. A full cease-fire is necessary to continue “the difficult but necessary talks” with international leaders, including France, Germany and Russia, as well as the U.S., on resolving the conflict in a diplomatic matter, he said."

All talk. Let's see what Joe does when the incursion starts some time before the end of this year. Germany and France love to "talk" but are never there when they have to put some skin in the game. 

 

"Biden also supports Zelenskiy’s “plan to tackle corruption and implement a reform agenda based on our shared democratic values that delivers justice, security, and prosperity to the people of Ukraine,” according to the White House readout."

Biden tackle Ukraine corruption ?  Who's going to head the U.S. efforts ?  Hunter. 

The US's biggest leverage is sanctions. Against who? Anyone building Nord Stream II,. The current situation keeps relative stability between Russia and Ukraine due to all of the pipelines through Ukraine, which aligns Russia and Ukraine's interests. With Nord Stream II, Russia won't need to keep the peace Ukraine anymore and Putin's plan to annex all of Novorossiya may go ahead. 

So why doesn't the US just put more sanctions against the companies financing Nord Stream II? 

Well, it's complicated. On the other hand, any direct provocations by Russia in Ukraine will probably mean quicker sanctions (both by the US and perhaps the EU) against more organizations either close to Putin or anyone involved with Gazprom. On the other hand, the US has been sitting on our hands the last 4 years while Putin was stirring up trouble everywhere, including getting himself elected for life. The US does have multiple avenues to exercise its economic authority because in the end, money talks. 

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Multiple current and former officials said that at the heart of the issue is how to stop the pipeline without souring relations with Germany. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is trying to rebuild Washington’s relationship with Berlin after four years of neglect and scorn by former President Donald Trump’s administration. The relationship deteriorated so much under Trump that German Chancellor Angela Merkel famously said in 2018 that Europe could no longer rely on the U.S. and “must take its destiny in its own hands.”

“The pipeline is 95% complete and the Trump administration utterly failed to do anything about it when they had the chance,” the official said. “Now former officials who let this happen on their watch are somehow insisting it’s our fault. Those same former officials are spreading conspiracy theories about secret discussions. The only discussion the Biden administration has had with the Germans on Nord Stream 2 is to make clear our opposition.”

As of late January, after speaking with Blinken, Germany’s foreign minister Heiko Maas said their position remained unchanged. But he said the relationship with the U.S. already seemed to be improving. “I have to get used to the fact that I talk to my American colleague on the phone and we agree on almost all points,” he told Reuters. “This has not been the case in the past.”

 

 

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4 hours ago, Ward Smith said:

Wait till China invades Taiwan. Xiden will betray them in a New York second

Xiden? lmao that's good 🤣

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12 hours ago, Dan Warnick said:

It's pretty incredible isn't it?  The people of America, by and large, want the U.S. out of war and armed conflict.  Trump was the first President in decades to follow that path, and was extracting us from existing conflicts when the Left orchestrated this particular administration.  Mark my words: the Biden Administration IS going to get the U.S. into a major conflict, and sooner rather than later.  I sure hope our military has the leadership to keep us out of a nuclear armageddon, at least.  That leadership would have to be in the face of what is in the White House at this time.

Hopefully not a hot war but I can see continuous testing by China, Russia, Turkey, Iran, North Korea etc., while Biden is most concerned with keeping patriots out of the armed forces and maximizing recruits that are "diverse" in "gender" and politically. That does not bode well for the future of our military. 

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3 hours ago, Tomasz said:

As far as I know for example Russia and the USA have an equal number of ballistic missiles and the Chinese unfortunately only have 300. What would you say for Russia to sell a couple of hundred ballistic missiles  to China for several bilion $.

If you were China, would you trust Russian or American missile firmware?

Stuznet, anyone?  Nothing like having a missile blow up upon launch.  It doesn't take much.

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The topic can probably be closed, because Zelenski withdrew from the fighting stance and called for diplomacy

Well, Zelenskiy doesn't want to end up like Sakashvili.

I have been to Georgia several times - Sakashvili reformed it so much that the Georgian police do not take bribes, which in the former USSR is a rare phenomenon, but in the context of the events of 2008, as far as I know, Sakashvili has now lost Georgian citizenship and is wanted by an international charter by the Georgians themselves.

And all this despite the fact that he managed Georgia quite authoritatively but with great successes in the internal field.

After all, Sakashvili was also promised some Western support in 2008 and it ended when the Russians stopped their army 30 km from Tbilisi, knowing that the issue of Sakashvili and Georgia in NATO was over so they can retreat.

On the other hand, this fate sooner or later awaits the pro-Western Armenian Pashinyan, because Russia and Turkey decide in the Caucasus, and  West was completely absent in last years war, therefore there is no place for the pro-Western leader of Armenia, unless the Armenians forgot about the events from the end of I world war (genocide of armenians by Turks - just to explain why in this situation Armenia must bet on Russia not Turkey).

What interest would Russia have in an escalation? Time is in her favor. The only argument could be water for Crimea, but it is not that simple because there were serious problems even before 2014. An article from a gardening portal from 2013: "The current season in Crimea will be very difficult for one more reason. On the peninsula there is another cycle of several years of drought. Currently, all the water reservoirs in the region are filled to a minimum degree. The water deficit for sprinkling crops is now estimated. at 80%. Two weeks earlier than in previous years, the locks of the North Crimean Canal were opened, supplying the peninsula with water from the Dnieper. "

Ukraine, on the other hand, has specific reasons to aggravate the situation. This would allow attention to be distracted from internal problems and, above all, from the rather very bad current economic situation.

The situation with the coronavirus is also rather very bad, there is a huge hole in the budget, and you will soon have to pay off your "big" loans taken after 2014.

The IMF does not want to give them more debt-rolling tranches. If there was "Russia aggression", there would probably be pressure from western countries to cancel or postpone the deadlines.

I know that Russia's attitude may seem ruthless, but then I advise you to have a look at the map. From Kharkiv to Moscow it is less than 400 kilometers of steppe as flat as a table.

Ukraine was part of Russia from about the mid-17th century at least its eastern part from the Dnieper River to the East.

Ukraine in the western sphere of influence is more or less as if Mexico or Canada would like to enter into an alliance with China.

Of course, I assume that the US would not invade them by armed forces, but Russia also threw very modest forces on Ukraine. rather some military instructors and some nationalist volunteers from Russia.

If she really wanted, she would probably be in Kiev for the third day.

Only the game is not about trying to invade Ukraine and annex but to convince  them  again to orientate towards the East.

So far the pro-Russian party of Medvedchuk, even without Donbas and Krym, has some 24% support.

Its still not enough but in 2015 it was about 10 % now its about 24 %.  

Pro-Russian forces in Ukraine are back in the game. As Ukraine, like Russia, is an oligarchic country, it is important that Russia was supported from last year by two great oligarchs, Kolomoyskyi and Akhmetov.

The Kolomoyskyi case itself is interesting - Ukraine's greatest defender in 2014 organizing volunteer battalions. Then it turned out that he had stolen at least 5 billion $ from Ukraine's largest bank, Privatbank. As a result, at the end of last year, the USA imposed personal sanctions on him because he also had a murder case in one of the Western countries.

So he switched to Russia because Russia is looking for strong players, it does not bother her.

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38 minutes ago, turbguy said:

If you were China, would you trust Russian or American missile firmware?

Stuznet, anyone?  Nothing like having a missile blow up upon launch.  It doesn't take much.

The Chinese are pro at reverse engineering as the Russians found out: https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Russia-up-in-arms-over-Chinese-theft-of-military-technology

From the DIA's review of the Chinese military. Yeah, it does seem all about the sea for the Chinese. 

https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/AD1066163.pdf

The traditional mentality that land out- weighs sea must be abandoned, and great importance has to be attached to managing the seas and oceans and pro- tecting maritime rights and interests. It is necessary for China to develop a mod- ern maritime military force structure commensurate with its national security and development interests, safeguard its national sovereignty and maritime rights and interests, protect the security of stra- tegic SLOCs (sea lines of communication) and overseas interests, and participate in international maritime cooperation so as to provide strategic support for building itself into a maritime power.

—Excerpt from China’s Military Strategy, May 2015

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7 hours ago, Tomasz said:

The USA wants to hit Russia with Ukraine.

In turn, I can assure you Russia, also ruthless in the matter of its national security, will sooner make Ukraine a second Syria or Iraq than allow this country to finally enter the Western sphere of influence.ry tollgates of Moscow.

 

If not mistaken, very long time ago, there was a global diplomacy rule called "no interference of a nation internal administrative policies"......

Therefore, regardless who is really behind all the chaos in the world, all wrong might have started with the intention of interfering by force.............. be it ideology or partnership.

We have grown so confident at time that we believe only our ideology and methods are the best to everyone else.......... We dispel, repel, expel those who disagree or discord with us............ We forget, in time of excellency sequel complacency, we miss out many things unbeknown to our daily occurrences. In the status of arrogant, we turned closed minded and become ignorant........

We forget, the best way to help might vary with different type of targets.....  one medicine can't cure all sickness........... e.g.

1. we should discuss with those who are bright and like- minded

2. we should guide and instruct those who are not so bright

3. we should leave idiots to rot and start over the country the way we want..........

4. etc

Continual success breeds closed mindedness and arrogant. Those who could afford to stay humble, or with a sense of humility, are usually those who have surfed with the waves and conquered with help or granted blessings........... Here, belies the ideal candidates we need to choose in the future............

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In the era of the conflict in Donbas, it is really worth looking at one diagram. The last 60 years in the life of Ukraine if we talk about the average life expectancy of the inhabitants of this country. As you can see, the average life expectancy of inhabitants in 2019 is unfortunately even shorter than in 1959 during the time of Khrushchev.

Unfortunately, I do not know another country like this, maybe where we check in black Africa, so it's not surprising that it caused a stir on the web today.

 

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Brain dead Uncle Joe is a pussy as everyone in his administration! The World see’s him as weak and exploitable! So why would Russia not try something, Under Our first Black Assclown he let them walk in and take Crimea! Didn’t do nothing, Oh I forgot, lodges a complaint with the United Nations which happens to be even more corrupt then Russia and China put together ...........

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On 4/3/2021 at 10:19 AM, Dan Warnick said:

It's pretty incredible isn't it?  The people of America, by and large, want the U.S. out of war and armed conflict.  Trump was the first President in decades to follow that path, and was extracting us from existing conflicts when the Left orchestrated this particular administration.  Mark my words: the Biden Administration IS going to get the U.S. into a major conflict, and sooner rather than later.  I sure hope our military has the leadership to keep us out of a nuclear armageddon, at least.  That leadership would have to be in the face of what is in the White House at this time.

I disagree. Americans do not shy from war if the reasons are sound. What they get pissed at is occupation with no real plan. As the body count rises and hundreds of billions are spent this is understandable frustration. The military cannot stop nuclear Armageddon. Only the fear of death and mutually ensured destruction is the deturant. 
Our leadership has been weak, indecisive and our policies stupid for the most part. Biden can hardly do worse. 

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The Russians are building Nord Stream II, so they do not need any conflict.

In my opinion, the Russians are not concerned with any military conquest of Ukraine.

They want it if there will be no gas transit receipts and you will have to pay off the IMF loans, simply starve them economically as a buffer zone to the extent that the Ukrainians themselves will eventually go to their heads for some reason and for some adversities favorable to Russia.

The time in this conflict, taking into account the situation of Ukraine, works for Russia's benefit, and I personally do not see the need for any radical action on the part of Russia.

You just have to do your own thing and stifle economic Ukraine, and we still have COVID-19, and generally the whole West has enough problems not to take any anti-Russian actions in Ukraine and Belarus.

Russia just has to wait. The only risk for Russia with pear rather than parsley The West has introduced some Marshal's plan for Ukraine - but we all know that it is a pipe dream.

No one in Europe wants Ukraine in the European Union and at least a few countries in Europe if Russia veto refuses to enter Ukraine to NATO.

In Ukraine, there is a powerful radical right-wing nationalist movement that fought against Russia in 2014. But now it is Russia's best ally - all the dumbfounded with the coats of arms of the Ukrainian Uprising Army or the SS Galizien are water for Russia's mill and in my opinion Russia sponsors them because you do not need to try very hard to shoot some terrifying and unfortunately real material about Ukraine.

Take the situation from 7 years ago - there was some hot emotions and some people in Poland really wanted to protect Ukraine themselves 

And seven years have passed and what is the image of Ukraine in Poland now? As for today when I checked forums - people say leave them alone not our problem

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7 hours ago, Tomasz said:

In the era of the conflict in Donbas, it is really worth looking at one diagram. The last 60 years in the life of Ukraine if we talk about the average life expectancy of the inhabitants of this country. As you can see, the average life expectancy of inhabitants in 2019 is unfortunately even shorter than in 1959 during the time of Khrushchev.

Unfortunately, I do not know another country like this, maybe where we check in black Africa, so it's not surprising that it caused a stir on the web today.

 

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Well, the Ukraine was always a bread basket (for many centuries), until Stalin enforced mass collectivization, which probably hurt Ukraine more than most of the other SSRs. It wasn't until the 1980s until there was enough glasnost that revealed the scale of the famine (it helped that some of Gorbachev's relatives died in the famine. as well, so there was a long memory): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Commission_on_the_Ukraine_Famine

More recently, I think alcoholism has reduced life expectancy (in men) in a number of former Soviet countries, though I think Putin to his credit is trying to address it in Russia:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/alcohol-attributable-fraction-of-mortality

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uh, the 'build-up' was started by nato many months ago, which has continually moved 'experts' and arms into Ukraine, and nuclear-armed navy cruisers into the Black Sea. Russia is simply responding to the nato aggression. We all know nato is controlled by the US. The US is playing a very very risky game.

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1 hour ago, frankfurter said:

uh, the 'build-up' was started by nato many months ago, which has continually moved 'experts' and arms into Ukraine, and nuclear-armed navy cruisers into the Black Sea. Russia is simply responding to the nato aggression. We all know nato is controlled by the US. The US is playing a very very risky game.

Now that is interesting, we are in agreement. This current administration will re align world order norms to the 2012 era. It is my opinion they are playing for keeps this time, there is no risk they are not prepared to accept.

 

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8 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Now that is interesting, we are in agreement. This current administration will re align world order norms to the 2012 era. It is my opinion they are playing for keeps this time, there is no risk they are not prepared to accept.

 

The "NATO build up" wasn't even primarily in the Ukraine,  but in response to Russia weaponizing the Arctic: https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/05/europe/russia-arctic-nato-military-intl-cmd/index.html

this has been happening for a number of years, because the sea routes in the arctic are changing rapidly:

https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News/Article/Article/1865978/changing-environment-means-changing-arctic-strategy/

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