GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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As Biden, the President of Climate Change, and Kerry, our fabulous Climate Czar, who just gave Japan the thumbs up to dump millions of tons of waste water from the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant into the Pacific Ocean, who then flies off in his private jet to Martha's Vineyard, decide to create a massive legislative boondoggle called the Green New Deal.  Now, they are not alone, they have the full throated backing from a bartender from Westchester NY, a socialist from Vermont, and other liberal climatoligists who get on twitter and tell us definitely that we're all going to all die in 10 years if we don't comply.  So, all of the climate crew are preparing to bring America into the dark ages. We have the new DOE Grishom, ex-Michigan Gov. who didn't meet a pipeline she didn't want to expunge (and Whitmer has now taken up the mantel on Line 5), and then we have Haaland, head of DOI, who didn't meet a drilling rig she didn't want to burn to the ground.  So, we have a group of thugs, pushing their agenda, and with no solutions, objectives,  science, economics, or the actual future of the U.S. in mind, so they press ahead with a monumental agenda where no one wins, expect them.

In 4 months, the U.S. production has dropped over 2 million barrels and the climate wizards are demanding that the U.S. drop its emissions by 50% by 2030.  WHOA!  How is that going to work?  Doesn't matter, just gut up and do it.  Overhauling the electric grid?  1/2 million charging stations?  refitting millions of buildings, transitioning all federal vehicles to EVs, etc.  It's such a lofty goal, but while being in Texas in February, I know for certain, that even 4 days without power, heat, communication and black ice, car dead, it's a pretty scary ordeal, and that's just 4 days.  So, just wondering just a bit about solar and wind, no one seems to be considering the problem of the massive renewable capacity that will be required to supply energy to the nation.  Not only the grid, but the vast swaths of land with new infrastructure at the same time that politicians and landowners from California to Vermont are fighting against the encroachment of large-scale renewable energy projects.

New York is shutting down its last nuclear plant at Indian Point and Gov. (in big trouble) Cuomo won't allow drilling or pipelines, so this should be pretty interesting to watch next winter, L.A. County banned large wind turbines and San Bernardino Co, Humboldt County, and Santa Barbara County rejected new wind turbines in their communities.  So as California, the big kahuna of renewable energy, between 2013 and 2019 California added less than 200MW of new wind energy capacity.  California as we know, will do anything to get to their goal of 30% lower emissions this year, so it's not much of a challenge to find some of the projects they have promoted in order to reach that standard.  Below is Ivanpah, with 350,000 garage size heliostats (mirrors) with 3 459' boiling towers costing $2.2B, backed by the U.S. taxpayers.  The facility has had more problems than Biden's thought process and the beams from the sun blind pilots going into LAX, scorch birds out of the sky (called streamers) - not sparrows by the way, covers 4000 feet of land in the Mojave Desert which "was" protected for wind burrow and the desert tortoise (but, it's for the good of the environment you idiots), and its capacity for all its cost and environmental issues it generates 342MW of power.  That would be 140,000 homes.  Yup, what a great project, and let's mot forget Crescent Dunes, another solar project that went bankrupt last year.  

 

So, we are going into a big giant mass of insanity with the Biden Administration going back into the Iran Nuclear Deal and handing them bucks and China is paying Iran with their cryptocurrency to a million+ bbls of oil.  So, the energy sector along with the country is in big trouble, and it's been 4 months.  We see the oil price moving about $5 bucks up and down every couple of weeks, and it's unsettling with banks lending on environmental risk and social justice risk.  Before the "Woke" came into play between energy and the lenders, risk was based on the proven reserves, developed and undeveloped, and now, how the hell do you calculate social justice risk?  But, wait, Exxon, BP, Shell, Conoco has been fighting failing states like NY, MA, CT, DE (Biden's home town BTW) CA, etc. (blue=disaster), for climate change disinformation.  As Biden says "Wreaked Havoc on Our Climate"! So, the Majors are now folding to the woke crowd, climate change will be the breakthrough for huge legal class actions, and the big question after all is said and done, will America survive?

 

 

 

 

 

[Jay McKinsey + 1,489]

54 minutes ago, JoMack said:

As Biden, the President of Climate Change, and Kerry, our fabulous Climate Czar, who just gave Japan the thumbs up to dump millions of tons of waste water from the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant into the Pacific Ocean, who then flies off in his private jet to Martha's Vineyard, decide to create a massive legislative boondoggle called the Green New Deal.  Now, they are not alone, they have the full throated backing from a bartender from Westchester NY, a socialist from Vermont, and other liberal climatoligists who get on twitter and tell us definitely that we're all going to all die in 10 years if we don't comply.  So, all of the climate crew are preparing to bring America into the dark ages. We have the new DOE Grishom, ex-Michigan Gov. who didn't meet a pipeline she didn't want to expunge (and Whitmer has now taken up the mantel on Line 5), and then we have Haaland, head of DOI, who didn't meet a drilling rig she didn't want to burn to the ground.  So, we have a group of thugs, pushing their agenda, and with no solutions, objectives,  science, economics, or the actual future of the U.S. in mind, so they press ahead with a monumental agenda where no one wins, expect them.

In 4 months, the U.S. production has dropped over 2 million barrels and the climate wizards are demanding that the U.S. drop its emissions by 50% by 2030.  WHOA!  How is that going to work?  Doesn't matter, just gut up and do it.  Overhauling the electric grid?  1/2 million charging stations?  refitting millions of buildings, transitioning all federal vehicles to EVs, etc.  It's such a lofty goal, but while being in Texas in February, I know for certain, that even 4 days without power, heat, communication and black ice, car dead, it's a pretty scary ordeal, and that's just 4 days.  So, just wondering just a bit about solar and wind, no one seems to be considering the problem of the massive renewable capacity that will be required to supply energy to the nation.  Not only the grid, but the vast swaths of land with new infrastructure at the same time that politicians and landowners from California to Vermont are fighting against the encroachment of large-scale renewable energy projects.

New York is shutting down its last nuclear plant at Indian Point and Gov. (in big trouble) Cuomo won't allow drilling or pipelines, so this should be pretty interesting to watch next winter, L.A. County banned large wind turbines and San Bernardino Co, Humboldt County, and Santa Barbara County rejected new wind turbines in their communities.  So as California, the big kahuna of renewable energy, between 2013 and 2019 California added less than 200MW of new wind energy capacity.  California as we know, will do anything to get to their goal of 30% lower emissions this year, so it's not much of a challenge to find some of the projects they have promoted in order to reach that standard.  Below is Ivanpah, with 350,000 garage size heliostats (mirrors) with 3 459' boiling towers costing $2.2B, backed by the U.S. taxpayers.  The facility has had more problems than Biden's thought process and the beams from the sun blind pilots going into LAX, scorch birds out of the sky (called streamers) - not sparrows by the way, covers 4000 feet of land in the Mojave Desert which "was" protected for wind burrow and the desert tortoise (but, it's for the good of the environment you idiots), and its capacity for all its cost and environmental issues it generates 342MW of power.  That would be 140,000 homes.  Yup, what a great project, and let's mot forget Crescent Dunes, another solar project that went bankrupt last year.  

 

So, we are going into a big giant mass of insanity with the Biden Administration going back into the Iran Nuclear Deal and handing them bucks and China is paying Iran with their cryptocurrency to a million+ bbls of oil.  So, the energy sector along with the country is in big trouble, and it's been 4 months.  We see the oil price moving about $5 bucks up and down every couple of weeks, and it's unsettling with banks lending on environmental risk and social justice risk.  Before the "Woke" came into play between energy and the lenders, risk was based on the proven reserves, developed and undeveloped, and now, how the hell do you calculate social justice risk?  But, wait, Exxon, BP, Shell, Conoco has been fighting failing states like NY, MA, CT, DE (Biden's home town BTW) CA, etc. (blue=disaster), for climate change disinformation.  As Biden says "Wreaked Havoc on Our Climate"! So, the Majors are now folding to the woke crowd, climate change will be the breakthrough for huge legal class actions, and the big question after all is said and done, will America survive?

 

 

 

 

 

The country and our economy is going to go through the roof with all the new investment. Thermal solar towers were indeed a mistake that occurred before the exponential cost decline of solar panels. No more will be built and when their contract runs out they will be shut down and replaced with standard panels. Technological advancement usually has a few dead ends along the way to success. Anyway if this is what you are going to try and hang your hat on, expect to be picking it up off of the ground because Ivanpah and Crescent Dunes have nothing to do with the future.

Such mistakes also happen in the fossil industry. A good example is the Inland Empire Energy Center which is being demolished after just a few years in operation because its turbines were a dead end design. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ge-power/general-electric-to-scrap-california-power-plant-20-years-early-idUSKCN1TM2MV

Edited April 23, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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8 hours ago, JoMack said:

bartender from Westchester NY, a socialist from Vermont, and other liberal climatoligists

Name calling and label slapping, as usual. If the title on your topic is 'Blizzard of Lies' then itemize the lies and bring to 'truth' to bear on them. All anyone does with the name calling and irrelevant expositions on hypocrisy is muddle up the discussion.

[Meredith Poor + 883]

8 hours ago, JoMack said:

Below is Ivanpah, with 350,000 garage size heliostats (mirrors) with 3 459' boiling towers costing $2.2B, backed by the U.S. taxpayers.

Ivanpah again. Someone must be watching 'Planet of the Humans'. I'd been led to believe the promoter of this hit piece was a lefty. However, some pro-labor lefties think coal is a good thing. As usual, things that should be purely ideological get strange bedfellows.

Ivanpah is dead. Photovoltaics are cheaper and easier to deploy.

9 hours ago, JoMack said:

4000 feet of land in the Mojave Desert

Is this a lie, or a typo?

[JoMack + 547]

25 minutes ago, Meredith Poor said:

Name calling and label slapping, as usual. If the title on your topic is 'Blizzard of Lies' then itemize the lies and bring to 'truth' to bear on them. All anyone does with the name calling and irrelevant expositions on hypocrisy is muddle up the discussion.

Is it Poor Meredith?  Perhaps a safe space would be in order.  But, let's be honest, AOC was a bartender in the Bronx living in a high income neighborhood in Westchester Co., NY and Bernie Sanders is a self-styled socialist from Vermont, who will tell you the same.  So, how's that  - I clarified it for you since the statement is correct.  And they are the top sponsors of the Green New Deal and they are ignorant and dangerous.  If you think you'll keep your lights on with these 2 and the their liberal pals like Markey who are moving legislation through Congress, you better think again.  Remember that 60 day moratorium on leasing and permitting on federal lands onshore and offshore?  Well we're at 100 days and counting.  So, the ban remains and Haaland at DOI permanently banned permits for any new coal leasing.  

Yesterday, AOC stood at her podium with a banner of Green New Deal hanging below her and declared, "Climate change is racist and we must have a sustainable environment and promote justice and equity", blah, blah, so they have chosen their enemy, fossil fuels and nuclear, and will spend trillions of dollars on a blizzard of lies to destroy it, along with the American economy, our way of life, and most of all our national security.  

 

 

[JoMack + 547]

45 minutes ago, Meredith Poor said:

Ivanpah again. Someone must be watching 'Planet of the Humans'. I'd been led to believe the promoter of this hit piece was a lefty. However, some pro-labor lefties think coal is a good thing. As usual, things that should be purely ideological get strange bedfellows.

Ivanpah is dead. Photovoltaics are cheaper and easier to deploy.

Is this a lie, or a typo?

Clarify - 3,500 acres, initially planned on 4,000 acres.Glad you caught that Meredith - good job.  BTW, Ivanpah is still active.  Also, I believe you missed the point.  It's not that Ivanpah wasn't the best idea, it's the problem with the massive amount of land mass that will be necessary to reach an unattainable electric generation for the country.  The conflicts are growing, the fishing industry has blocked wind development on the East Coast, and rural areas, large counties around the country are not permitting these solar and wind farms.

 So the bottom line is that anyone believing that we can cover the land with millions of solar panels and wind turbines to get reliable, and inexpensive electricity is believing the lies being promoted by politicians, lobbyists, environmental organizations, who could care less about emissions and climate change.  Always, and in every major proposal that impacts an industry, such as the energy sector, we must always follow the money since it is the objective and they'll do anything and everything to get it and the power it brings.

[turbguy + 1,398]

I also feel that the targeted reductions will be extremely difficult, and expensive, to achieve.

So was "printing" mRNA.

So was nuclear power.

So will be fusion boilers.

We ain't seen nothin' yet.

[Bob D + 562]

What's that I smell??  No, no, no not that smell of cooked birds falling from the sky.  I smell rolling blackouts in California this summer. 

[RichieRich216 + 454]

The “Green New Deal” will go down as the largest PONZI SCAM on a global scale! A select few Multi National’s are behind this with the likes of Bill Gates and his wife along side of Mark and his wife! Just see who shows at DAVOS and there are the Worls Greatest Thieves! 

[Bob D + 562]

Cult wife???

Cute wife?

[turbguy + 1,398]

It seems some here might benefit from an analysis of lithium content in their local water supply.

They might experience improvement from augmentation.

[Meredith Poor + 883]

3 hours ago, JoMack said:

Clarify - 3,500 acres, initially planned on 4,000 acres.Glad you caught that Meredith - good job.  BTW, Ivanpah is still active.  Also, I believe you missed the point.  It's not that Ivanpah wasn't the best idea, it's the problem with the massive amount of land mass that will be necessary to reach an unattainable electric generation for the country.  The conflicts are growing, the fishing industry has blocked wind development on the East Coast, and rural areas, large counties around the country are not permitting these solar and wind farms.

 So the bottom line is that anyone believing that we can cover the land with millions of solar panels and wind turbines to get reliable, and inexpensive electricity is believing the lies being promoted by politicians, lobbyists, environmental organizations, who could care less about emissions and climate change.  Always, and in every major proposal that impacts an industry, such as the energy sector, we must always follow the money since it is the objective and they'll do anything and everything to get it and the power it brings.

I had been led to believe that Ivanpah had been shut down, but the satellite pictures show otherwise. Note the image date at the bottom.

[Meredith Poor + 883]

3 hours ago, JoMack said:

The conflicts are growing, the fishing industry has blocked wind development on the East Coast, and rural areas, large counties around the country are not permitting these solar and wind farms.

Keyword search 'agrivoltics'. People that research the effects of solar farms in farming areas are finding that the solar panels are highly compatible with flowering plants, which attract pollinators.

"Ten ways to ensure bees benefit from the solar power boom":

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-04/lu-twt042021.php

[surrept33 + 609]

I think the solar thermal projects are interesting because even if they do not take off for energy generation, there is plenty of underlying design aspects that may be utilized in other industries. Every generation has had various reliability issues, but in general, the common failure modes (and performance, cost optimization) are becoming more well known: https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy20osti/75763.pdf

I suspect there are various places (including domestically) on the planet where CSP is 'ideal', so there will be more and more pilots, perhaps in more limited scales depending on maturity until larger capex is justified.

More here:

https://www.energy.gov/eere/solar/concentrating-solar-thermal-power-research-and-development-virtual-workshop-series

 

Edited April 23, 2021 by surrept33

[Jay McKinsey + 1,489]

51 minutes ago, Meredith Poor said:

I had been led to believe that Ivanpah had been shut down, but the satellite pictures show otherwise. Note the image date at the bottom.

It is Crescent Dunes that has been shut down. Ivanpah will likely keep running until their contract runs out. 

[Jay McKinsey + 1,489]

5 hours ago, Bob D said:

What's that I smell??  No, no, no not that smell of cooked birds falling from the sky.  I smell rolling blackouts in California this summer. 

No, you are smelling Texas. By August California will have 2GW of new battery storage online since last August. That is more than the power shortage that led to our rolling blackouts.

[Jay McKinsey + 1,489]

6 hours ago, JoMack said:

 Always, and in every major proposal that impacts an industry, such as the energy sector, we must always follow the money since it is the objective and they'll do anything and everything to get it and the power it brings.

Sounds like you are describing the fossil fuel industry.

[surrept33 + 609]

6 hours ago, turbguy said:

I also feel that the targeted reductions will be extremely difficult, and expensive, to achieve.

So was "printing" mRNA.

So was nuclear power.

So will be fusion boilers.

We ain't seen nothin' yet.

https://patrickcollison.com/fast

[markslawson + 1,042]

17 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The country and our economy is going to go through the roof with all the new investment. Thermal solar towers were indeed a mistake that occurred before the exponential cost decline of solar panels. No more will be built and when their contract runs out they will be shut down and replaced with standard panels.

Jay - investment is not that straight forward. Sure there might be an investment surge in one area - renewables - but that will merely be about building extremely expensive electricity generation capacity which other sectors of the economy have to pay for. The undoubted decline in PV panel prices which you point to simply isn't relevant - we have discussed this before - the cost of the installation itself means little besides all the other things that have to be done to the network to accommodate the intermittent power. A good illustration of this is given in the article you cite.. a filing with the California Energy Commission on Thursday, GE said the plant is “not designed for the needs of the evolving California market, which requires fast-start capabilities to satisfy peak demand periods.”  

Competition from renewables didn't help, but the real problem (apart from bad design) is that fast start plants (which are more expensive and less efficient) are needed to fill in supply when the renewables stop producing. And that's just the start of the additional expense.   

[Jay McKinsey + 1,489]

3 hours ago, markslawson said:

Jay - investment is not that straight forward. Sure there might be an investment surge in one area - renewables - but that will merely be about building extremely expensive electricity generation capacity which other sectors of the economy have to pay for. The undoubted decline in PV panel prices which you point to simply isn't relevant - we have discussed this before - the cost of the installation itself means little besides all the other things that have to be done to the network to accommodate the intermittent power. A good illustration of this is given in the article you cite.. a filing with the California Energy Commission on Thursday, GE said the plant is “not designed for the needs of the evolving California market, which requires fast-start capabilities to satisfy peak demand periods.”  

Competition from renewables didn't help, but the real problem (apart from bad design) is that fast start plants (which are more expensive and less efficient) are needed to fill in supply when the renewables stop producing. And that's just the start of the additional expense.   

Sorry Mark but batteries are going to eliminate the fast start need, the need for spinning inertia, handle frequency events, and solve the problem of daily intermittency, etc. We have been over this before. By August California will have added over 2GWh of batteries since last August and another GWh by Q1 next year (10GWh+ are in the pipeline for the subsequent few years), much simpler, faster and less expensive than natural gas plants. The Permian Basin is about to be covered in solar panels. Plenty of jobs for the oil field workers. 

Texas likely to add record utility-scale solar capacity in the next two years

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=47636

Investment isn't that complicated and it is going to have huge benefits compared to the costs in our economy. But yes, those who have kept their head stuck in the ground and invested based on the out of date and incorrect information that is so widely disseminated around places like this will likely be caught with stranded assets. 

 

Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Detailed State Data, Preliminary Monthly Electric

Edited April 24, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

[Strangelovesurfing + 737]

12 hours ago, JoMack said:

"Climate change is racist and we must have a sustainable environment and promote justice and equity"

🧐, good god, woke yet blind.

[JoMack + 547]

 

After America’s big freeze, Texan legislators are determined to restore reliable power generation sources, by hitting unreliable wind and solar with a raft of punitive fees and charges.

Whereas wind and solar have enjoyed massive subsidies (in the US, principally the Production Tax Credit, as well as state-mandated feed in tariffs), the reliable generators (nuclear, coal and gas) have been relegated to second place on the grid, thanks to the subsidies paid to wind and solar, which allow them to undercut their (unsubsidised) competitors.

[JoMack + 547]

16 hours ago, Meredith Poor said:

Keyword search 'agrivoltics'. People that research the effects of solar farms in farming areas are finding that the solar panels are highly compatible with flowering plants, which attract pollinators.

"Ten ways to ensure bees benefit from the solar power boom":

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-04/lu-twt042021.php

Daniel Simmons, director of State Affairs for the Institute for Energy Research, says Ivanpah illustrates the often overlooked environmental costs of solar power.

“Located in the ecologically fragile Mojave Desert, the Ivanpah facility covers a mammoth six square miles but only has 400 megawatts of capacity when the sun is shining at its brightest. Covering six square miles with solar panels entails a high environmental cost as cacti and other plans are cut down so that they do not interfere with the panels,” Simmons explained.

“The Ivanpah plant is a good reminder that all sources of energy have tradeoffs, and with solar power it means disturbing a lot of land in some delicate ecosystems,” said Simmons. 

H. Sterling Burnett, a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, agrees the damage is much greater than solar power advocates have acknowledged, and the federal government has looked the other way. “These supposedly green, solar power industrial sites are wreaking havoc on desert species and ecosystems,” he said. 

He explained, “In just a couple of years the federal government has given a few solar power companies access to 21 million acres of the public’s lands—more than it has allowed for oil and gas exploration in the past decade. And all for power that is less reliable, much more expensive, and has a significantly greater environmental impact than conventional alternatives. 

“It’s the California wind farms all over again. For decades, they’ve been allowed to kill protected raptors—including eagles—with no real punishment. Now solar farms threaten to wipe out the desert tortoise, a species on the endangered species list,” Burnett added.

“If this were an oil company, construction would have been halted and lawsuits filed. This boondoggle is bad for the economy, bad for the public, and terrible for the environment,” Burnett said.

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OOPS!

 

 

[Meredith Poor + 883]

2 hours ago, JoMack said:

21 million acres

divided by 640 acres per square mile is 32812.5 square miles.
Square root of 32812.5 is a square sized 181 Miles East/West x 181 miles North/South.

2 hours ago, JoMack said:

of the public’s lands—more than it has allowed for oil and gas exploration in the past decade.

'In the last decade'? Oil and gas has been leasing public land since the 1930's.

Anyone care to research the total area of the 'Nevada test site'? This is a radioactive wasteland less than 100 miles from Las Vegas.

The Permian basin is, by coincidence, about 180 miles x 180 miles.

Google maps has a 'Measure Distance' option, so one can draw a square around the Permian or other area to get an idea of the scale of a square 180 miles on a side.

Huge numbers are convenient for propaganda purposes. When one puts them in context, and particularly in comparison to other practices that have gone on for much longer, people realize what sort of manipulation is intended by the assertions.