GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

Have the first group been recalled yet? If not, why not?

A recall? For not being able to get spare parts years after the warranty was up? However they did give them a new bus for their troubles.

Edited July 25, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Oh don't worry, by the time the factory is completed they will be going into production.

Don't underestimate the environmental activists. They are fearless.

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Oil is in the boom stage of world energy development...keep those fossil fuels coming, nowhere to go but up.

"We still think the OPEC+ driven dip in crude and distillate prices is a buying opportunity and project Brent will hit $100 a barrel next year, with distillates tagging along for the ride," Bank of America said in a note."

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/oil-slips-heads-steady-week-supply-tightness-2021-07-23/

Edited July 25, 2021 by Ecocharger

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17 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

GOOOOO GREEN 

An electric bus made by Proterra went up in flames while charging in a California city that is reportedly thinking about removing the electric buses from the road.

The Washington Free Beacon reportedFriday:

The Foothill Transit agency, which serves the valleys surrounding Los Angeles, will decide on Friday whether costly Proterra buses purchased in the last decade are still operable. Problems cited by the agency include not only the bus that caught fire in what’s described as a “thermal event,” but also buses that melt in the California heat and have transmission failures. Roland Cordero, the agency’s director of maintenance and vehicle technology, says the problems with the buses are exacerbated by Proterra’s inability to help with repairs.

“With the number of failures we are experiencing and the inability of Proterra to provide parts, these [Battery Electric Buses] BEBs will only get worse as we continue to operate them whenever the BEBs are available for service,” Cordero wrote prior to Friday’s executive board meeting.

According to the Proterra website, its vehicles have “proven themselves through more than 20 million miles of service in communities across North America, operating at a lower overall cost than a 35- or 40-foot diesel, hybrid, or CNG transit vehicle.”

However, the electric bus company that has been praised by President Joe Biden’s administration watched its stock drop over the past month due to reports of problems with its product, the Beacon article continued:

In Philadelphia, mechanical failures and weak battery performance forced city officials to shelve buses received as recently as 2019. In Duluth, Minnesota, the buses were taken off the road because their brakes couldn’t handle the city’s hills. The publicly known failings of Proterra’s buses have not deterred key members of the Biden administration, including the president himself, from touting the company on multiple occasions.

A Foothill Transit spokeswoman said the “thermal event” noted in the report referred to a January 2020 incident when a Proterra bus caught fire while connected to a charger.

“The agency’s report complains that parts for the buses it purchased are ‘difficult to obtain’ and that expired warranties force the transit agency to pay tens of thousands of dollars for ‘advanced technology parts,'” the Beacon article said.

Meanwhile, Breitbart News reported in May watchdog group Protect the Public’s Trust said there were still unanswered questions following Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm’s sale of her massive holdings in Proterra.

There in is the big Scam, These people attache themselves ( Al Gore ) and make millions of of a cause that will not produce meaningful results anytime soon. Yet they keep in inexpensive, Globally available inexpensive resources as the devil’s mark!

When the green energy isn’t there and the suppliers and refineries have said fuck it, only then will the big lie be recognized.

Too many sheep in the world and sheep get slaughtered, When they can’t afford food because they need energy and will have to pick their in starts the downward spiral of society. I like how these greenies don’t mention how crops will be planted and harvested, most have no clue the downward stream of products that are all fossil fuel based! These are the fools that jump on a cause and look at one aspect of it. Climate Change is pure bullshit, there is no scientific evidence that when earth was formed to when records we started to be collected that show any meaningful scientific evidence that it exists other then they are throwing darts.

So they drill holes miles deep into ice and guess what happened then a few years later some other discoveries prove them wrong! Climate Change is like Cancer, it’s a multi Billion dollar industry that will never be completely solved because it’s money supports to many people and companies.
 

 

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3 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

There in is the big Scam, These people attache themselves ( Al Gore ) and make millions of of a cause that will not produce meaningful results anytime soon. Yet they keep in inexpensive, Globally available inexpensive resources as the devil’s mark!

When the green energy isn’t there and the suppliers and refineries have said fuck it, only then will the big lie be recognized.

So they drill holes miles deep into ice and guess what happened then a few years later some other discoveries prove them wrong! Climate Change is like Cancer, it’s a multi Billion dollar industry that will never be completely solved because it’s money supports to many people and companies.
 

 

It seems like there are vested interests involved in the Green Dream.

Green Dreamers display a chronic avoidance of any meaningful science discussion, unwillingness to engage in debate.

The few debates that were held resulted in a big win for those who are skeptical of the CO2 hypothesis of climate change.

The Green Dream is no longer a science-based movement. They avoid the science.

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5 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Oil is in the boom stage of world energy development...keep those fossil fuels coming, nowhere to go but up.

"We still think the OPEC+ driven dip in crude and distillate prices is a buying opportunity and project Brent will hit $100 a barrel next year, with distillates tagging along for the ride," Bank of America said in a note."

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/oil-slips-heads-steady-week-supply-tightness-2021-07-23/

Humorous how projections a year out that you like are valid but if they go against you then they are invalid. But let's hope they are right. It will be fantastic for EV sales.

Edited July 25, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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8 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Oil is in the boom stage of world energy development...keep those fossil fuels coming, nowhere to go but up.

"We still think the OPEC+ driven dip in crude and distillate prices is a buying opportunity and project Brent will hit $100 a barrel next year, with distillates tagging along for the ride," Bank of America said in a note."

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/oil-slips-heads-steady-week-supply-tightness-2021-07-23/

First it was Biden driving up oil prices with pipeline closures and no permits for government land. Now you say it’s an OPEC+ driven dip? You sure that dip isn’t caused by American drillers increasing the rig count week after week? Like I told you, there is plenty of oil without government land and plenty of oil if we kill imports from Canada, Russia, Saudi, Venezuela etc. US drillers are tech driven and unstoppable. They can squeeze oil out of a dried up sock.

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Plugin Vehicles Hit 19% Market Share In Europe In June! Tesla Model 3 Has Best Month Ever!

The European passenger plugin vehicle market continues in the fast lane, having gotten over 237,000 registrations in June and over a million registrations YTD — which is +157% year over year (YoY). Last month’s plugin vehicle share of the overall auto market was 19% (10% full electrics/BEVs), which pulled the 2021 plugin vehicle (PEV) share to 16% (7.6% for BEVs alone).

 

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6 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

 

Plugin Vehicles Hit 19% Market Share In Europe In June! Tesla Model 3 Has Best Month Ever!

The European passenger plugin vehicle market continues in the fast lane, having gotten over 237,000 registrations in June and over a million registrations YTD — which is +157% year over year (YoY). Last month’s plugin vehicle share of the overall auto market was 19% (10% full electrics/BEVs), which pulled the 2021 plugin vehicle (PEV) share to 16% (7.6% for BEVs alone).

 

Europe will test my affordability hypothesis soon. EV’s are mainly luxury cars or tech hasn't yet caught up with range.  I haven’t looked at Europe specifically but using the 50% of US making 30,000 or less as a rough benchmark. I am not sure how mandates work if citizens can’t afford the monthly bill. Each country and Calif will run into these questions. It seems legislation may be ahead of tech?

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35 minutes ago, Boat said:

Europe will test my affordability hypothesis soon. EV’s are mainly luxury cars or tech hasn't yet caught up with range.  I haven’t looked at Europe specifically but using the 50% of US making 30,000 or less as a rough benchmark. I am not sure how mandates work if citizens can’t afford the monthly bill. Each country and Calif will run into these questions. It seems legislation may be ahead of tech?

Most people in that income level buy used cars and eventually they will be buying depreciated EVs.

But for those who do by new, the Chinese EVs are already arriving in Europe and they are nice vehicles that are affordable.

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58 minutes ago, Boat said:

Europe will test my affordability hypothesis soon. EV’s are mainly luxury cars or tech hasn't yet caught up with range.  I haven’t looked at Europe specifically but using the 50% of US making 30,000 or less as a rough benchmark. I am not sure how mandates work if citizens can’t afford the monthly bill. Each country and Calif will run into these questions. It seems legislation may be ahead of tech?

using the 50% of US making 30,000 or less as a rough benchmark???? The national median family income for the United States for FY 2021 is $79,900.

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There is no future to the Green Dream, the science is all haywire, and no genuine scientist wants to give a public accounting or discussion of the flaws.

Here is a good summary of where things stand now.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Net-Zero-Narrative-Is-Riddled-With-Holes.html

"According to Lomborg, we need to talk about the challenges of climate change honestly, beginning with the fact that the damages anthropogenic climate change has caused the planet so far are not as dramatic as some computer models suggest. He gives us an example media reports that the 2020 Atlantic hurricane season was the worst in history. Actual data shows that it wasn’t, but this did not get reported."

Edited July 26, 2021 by Ecocharger

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On 7/21/2021 at 2:22 AM, Jay McKinsey said:

Tesla Model 3 Is Outright Bestselling Vehicle (of any kind) In UK – Plugin EVs take 17.2% Share. The UK saw plugin electric vehicles take 17.2% share of the auto market in June 2021, up from 9.5% in June 2020. The Tesla Model 3 was the UK's overall best selling vehicle (of any powertrain) in the month, with 5,468 units sold. 

BEV outsold diesel by 30%!

 

This is due to the horrific tax imposed on ICE vehicles by the government and the affordability of company cars via company leasing. If there werent the huge tax incentives this would be a radically different picture. 

If things were on a level playing field EV's would have a miniscule percentage of the market.

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2 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

This is due to the horrific tax imposed on ICE vehicles by the government and the affordability of company cars via company leasing. If there werent the huge tax incentives this would be a radically different picture. 

If things were on a level playing field EV's would have a miniscule percentage of the market.

ICE are paying for their pollution. That makes it a level playing field. 

Did you see that Nissan decided to stay in the UK and build EVs?

https://electrek.co/2021/07/01/nissan-ev-factory-uk-new-electric-crossover/

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Just now, Jay McKinsey said:

Did you see that Nissan decided to stay in the UK and build EVs?

Yes I saw that which is great news for the north east of the country.

Also this recently.

https://news.sky.com/story/ellesmere-port-vauxhall-plants-future-secured-with-electric-vans-12349750

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On 7/24/2021 at 10:58 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

Only applies to their very first set of electric busses that were  "first in the industry demonstration or deployments, and those vehicles reflected the state of the practice in technology at the time." http://foothilltransit.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/07-23-2021-Agenda-Packet-Executive-Board-Meeting.pdf

Check out the new electric double deckers they are getting this year:

We’re Bringing All-Electric Double Deck Buses To The SGV!

February 1, 2021 (WEST COVINA, CA) — Foothill Transit, the American public transportation leader in electric bus deployment, has purchased two electric versions of the Alexander Dennis Inc. (ADI) double deck bus. The twin Enviro500EVs made their way from the UK and will debut in the Foothill Transit’s Southern California fleet this year. 

 

We've had these for years now in the UK.

The old diesel buses used to stink the towns up with their pollution, its much better now.

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5 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

ICE are paying for their pollution. That makes it a level playing field. 

Did you see that Nissan decided to stay in the UK and build EVs?

https://electrek.co/2021/07/01/nissan-ev-factory-uk-new-electric-crossover/

Nonsense as usual, Jay. There is no pollution problem, pure propaganda.

Here is a pollution problem from renewables,

"The cost of the transition is one area that proponents of fast-tracking net-zero plans are shy about discussing. There is, for example, a lot of reporting on the cost declines in solar and wind technology, but there is little about solar and wind waste, which is turning into a problem already.

A recent article in the Harvard Business Review addressed this problem bluntly. The essence of the problem is that official reports about solar power deployment—and consequent waste—are based on the assumption that all panels now in operation will live through the end of their productive lives, which is not the case in reality, the authors note.

The International Renewable Energy Agency, for instance, admits that large amounts of solar panel waste could be generated in a decade but, the authors of the HBR article write, these large amounts of waste will, in fact, be generated much sooner because people are being actively encouraged to swap their old panels for new, more efficient ones. Most solar panels, in other words, will not live through the end of their productive lives."

"Solar energy is a rapidly growing market, which should be good news for the environment.  Unfortunately there’s a catch.  The replacement rate of solar panels is faster than expected and given the current very high recycling costs, there’s a real danger that all used panels will go straight to landfill (along with equally hard-to-recycle wind turbines).  Regulators and industry players need to start improving the economics and scale of recycling capabilities before the avalanche of solar panels hits."

Edited July 26, 2021 by Ecocharger

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5 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

ICE are paying for their pollution. That makes it a level playing field. 

Jay you forget about the damage caused to the environment to extract rare earth minerals to make the EV batteries.

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4 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

Jay you forget about the damage caused to the environment to extract rare earth minerals to make the EV batteries.

Jay always forgets about that. And the avalanche of used panels from solar generation and used wind turbines.

Edited July 26, 2021 by Ecocharger

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14 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Most people in that income level buy used cars and eventually they will be buying depreciated EVs.

But for those who do by new, the Chinese EVs are already arriving in Europe and they are nice vehicles that are affordable.

There is no market for second-hand EVs. Check the stats on ads.

Why would anyone buy a second-hand EV when the power plant is ready to replace expensively?

Edited July 26, 2021 by Ecocharger

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The other issue which has already been mentioned is the lack of recycling of EV batteries and the damage this is already doing to the environment.

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3 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

There is no market for second-hand EVs. Check the stats on ads.

Why would anyone buy a second-hand EV when the power plant is ready to replace expensively?

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/tesla

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3 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Jay you forget about the damage caused to the environment to extract rare earth minerals to make the EV batteries.

Oh come on Rob, you just acknowledged how much better it is in your every day life not to breath diesel fumes. Fossil fumes are a problem worldwide. When was the last time you saw or were affected by REE mining pollution? One vastly outweighs the other, can you tell me which one?

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5 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

The other issue which has already been mentioned is the lack of recycling of EV batteries and the damage this is already doing to the environment.

And if you do a google search you will find that the lack of EV battery recycling is a myth. 

According to London-based Circular Energy Storage, a consultancy that tracks the lithium-ion battery-recycling market, about a hundred companies worldwide recycle lithium-ion batteries or plan to do so soon. The industry is concentrated in China and South Korea, where the vast majority of the batteries are also made, but there are several dozen recycling startups in North America and Europe. In addition to Li-Cycle, that list includes Stockholm-based Northvolt, which is jointly building an EV-battery-recycling plant with Norway’s Hydro, and Tesla alum J.B. Straubel’s Redwood Materials, which has a broader scope of recycling electronic waste.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/batteries-storage/lithiumion-battery-recycling-finally-takes-off-in-north-america-and-europe

Edited July 26, 2021 by Jay McKinsey