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US: Tesla Model 3 Continues To Be The Fastest-Selling Used Car

It's been on the top for four consecutive months with the lowest average days to sell.

According to the iSeeCars' report for the month of Septmeber, the Tesla Model 3 was the fastest-selling used car for the fourth consecutive month in the U.S.

The data indicates that the average number of days to sell a Model 3 was just 16.0 - significantly quicker than the industry average of 32.8 days (22.4 days in the case of the top 20 models).

Not a gas guzzling SUV in the top 20, a lot of hybrids though. Tesla X at #9 so 20% of the top 10 fastest selling used cars in America are BEV! But how can this be true? @Ecochargerkeeps telling us there is no demand for used EVs.

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https://insideevs.com/news/540651/tesla-model3-bestselling-used-september2021/

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REALITY VS BLAH, BLAH: According to the@EIAgov  latest estimate, global oil demand in November is hovering at ~99.9m b/d. And it will rise in December above 101m b/d. By the end of 2022, it will hit an all-time high of 102.55m b/d, surpassing the June 2019 level

 

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So perhaps rather than think about 2050, 2060 or "bold" 2070 pledges, we start looking at 2021-22 and the direction of travel. Because pledges are very easy to announce, but rather difficult to implement. As always, don't report what they say, report what they do

 

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6 hours ago, notsonice said:

15 largest ships produce more Co2 than all the cars on the planet???? you really have made a fool out of yourself with your comment. The world consumes around 24 million barrels of Gasoline a day and your saying 15 largest ships produce more CO2 than all the cars? CO2 emissions from burning oil or gasoline

 

18.74pounds CO2 /gallon gasoline and for

Distillate Fuel Oil???? 22.46 /gallon. So you are saying that the 15 largest ships are burning over 20 million barrels of oil a day? dude what are What are you smoking?

 

I thought that was extreme, even if they used solid carbon as a fuel.

Now, NOx and SO₂, THOSE could be huge compared to autos, but possible to to handle.

Follow the money?

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14 hours ago, turbguy said:

I thought that was extreme, even if they used solid carbon as a fuel.

Now, NOx and SO₂, THOSE could be huge compared to autos, but possible to to handle.

Follow the money?

There is a study that goes into depth on the amount of fuel... bunker fuel shipping actually consumes. That number staggers the mind.

Bunker fuel itself is not measured or tracked. It seems it hides under some high seas regulation....meaning it can't be tracked. The Saudi's are the main source of bunker fuel.

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Northwest Indiana will be home to largest solar farm in U.S., covering 13,000 acres

Welker is not alone: He is one of dozens of neighbors who are leasing their land for what will be the largest solar farm in the United States, right here in Indiana. At 13,000 acres — roughly 1,000 times the size of Lucas Oil Stadium — it is aptly named the Mammoth Solar project.

This project — a partnership between Indiana and Israeli-based Doral Renewables LLC — is expected to bring a roughly $1.5 billion investment into the state over the next five years. It will also mean huge financial gains for the local landowners as well as Starke and Pulaski counties where it’s located. 

“This is going to have major benefits,” said Lisa Dan, the executive director of the Starke County Economic Development Foundation. “If we need to be known for something, I don’t mind being known as the solar capital of Indiana and beyond.” https://www.indystar.com/story/news/environment/2021/11/09/indiana-solar-panel-farm-largest-united-states-doral-renewables-energy-mammoth-starke-county/8529759002/

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8 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

No, will not, cobalt will continue to be central importance,  according to the most recent assessments, which I gave you above.

Most communities with lithium resources are seeking to ban the mining of them.

I can't help it if you rely on out of date reports, remember you asked me to check the date of that article, it was six months ago. Much has changed since then. Tesla represents over half the EV market and their LFP standard model represents over half the cars they sell. All the Chinese and new Japanese EVs including the new models from Toyota are LFP. All the other legacy OEMs have announced a rapid shift to LFP.

No lithium resources have been denied, they are just going through the normal process. Even if a few are denied most will get their permits. The people around Salton Sea are very excited about the idea of lithium mining there as it will decrease the toxic disaster that is unfolding from evaporation of the sea.

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14 hours ago, notsonice said:

15 largest ships produce more Co2 than all the cars on the planet???? you really have made a fool out of yourself with your comment. The world consumes around 24 million barrels of Gasoline a day and your saying 15 largest ships produce more CO2 than all the cars? CO2 emissions from burning oil or gasoline

 

18.74pounds CO2 /gallon gasoline and for

Distillate Fuel Oil???? 22.46 /gallon. So you are saying that the 15 largest ships are burning over 20 million barrels of oil a day? dude what are What are you smoking?

 

I didnt write the link! However i have heard this estimate on numerous links and this has been posted on Oil Price many times

As for your back of a fag packet calculation, now who is being stupid?

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14 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

US: Tesla Model 3 Continues To Be The Fastest-Selling Used Car

It's been on the top for four consecutive months with the lowest average days to sell.

According to the iSeeCars' report for the month of Septmeber, the Tesla Model 3 was the fastest-selling used car for the fourth consecutive month in the U.S.

The data indicates that the average number of days to sell a Model 3 was just 16.0 - significantly quicker than the industry average of 32.8 days (22.4 days in the case of the top 20 models).

Not a gas guzzling SUV in the top 20, a lot of hybrids though. Tesla X at #9 so 20% of the top 10 fastest selling used cars in America are BEV! But how can this be true? @Ecochargerkeeps telling us there is no demand for used EVs.

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https://insideevs.com/news/540651/tesla-model3-bestselling-used-september2021/

Again, Jay, you give us jokes. Tell us how many cars were sold.

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9 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Northwest Indiana will be home to largest solar farm in U.S., covering 13,000 acres

Welker is not alone: He is one of dozens of neighbors who are leasing their land for what will be the largest solar farm in the United States, right here in Indiana. At 13,000 acres — roughly 1,000 times the size of Lucas Oil Stadium — it is aptly named the Mammoth Solar project.

This project — a partnership between Indiana and Israeli-based Doral Renewables LLC — is expected to bring a roughly $1.5 billion investment into the state over the next five years. It will also mean huge financial gains for the local landowners as well as Starke and Pulaski counties where it’s located. 

“This is going to have major benefits,” said Lisa Dan, the executive director of the Starke County Economic Development Foundation. “If we need to be known for something, I don’t mind being known as the solar capital of Indiana and beyond.” https://www.indystar.com/story/news/environment/2021/11/09/indiana-solar-panel-farm-largest-united-states-doral-renewables-energy-mammoth-starke-county/8529759002/

And then we get Texas Disaster North....sounds brilliant as usual from the Green people.

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6 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

I can't help it if you rely on out of date reports, remember you asked me to check the date of that article, it was six months ago. Much has changed since then. Tesla represents over half the EV market and their LFP standard model represents over half the cars they sell. All the Chinese and new Japanese EVs including the new models from Toyota are LFP. All the other legacy OEMs have announced a rapid shift to LFP.

No lithium resources have been denied, they are just going through the normal process. Even if a few are denied most will get their permits. The people around Salton Sea are very excited about the idea of lithium mining there as it will decrease the toxic disaster that is unfolding from evaporation of the sea.

Not out of date, Jay. Check those dates again. But this was New York Times, reflecting the liberal green opinion of those who agree with you.

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Demand for oil is strong and growing stronger, according to the official American government line.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/EIA-Oil-Demand-Rebounds-Faster-than-Supply.html

" “Demand has grown faster than supply, reducing inventories and contributing to higher prices for crude oil and petroleum products.” Production, meanwhile, has been much slower to increase. In 2019, the EIA said, crude oil output in the United States averaged 12.3 million bpd. By May 2020, it had fallen to 9.7 million bpd. Now, production is around 11.4 million bpd. Still, the 11.4-million-bpd figure, the average for October, was a substantial increase on the September average, which stood at 10.7 million bpd, according to the Energy Information Administration. According to the agency, production will further rise to 11.6 million bpd next month and 11.9 million bpd next year. Despite the output growth, however, the gap between supply and demand is what has been driving higher prices globally, helped substantially by OPEC+ and its policy to remain cautious with output increases. In the U.S., production growth has been spearheaded by small, private companies while the bigger public players have remained as cautious as OPEC+, prioritizing shareholder returns. Most recently, prices got a boost from Washington’s decision to lift travel restrictions from visitors from abroad. Increased trans-Atlantic travel will boost demand for jet fuel, which has lagged behind other fuels because of such travel restrictions."

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Now we have an admission from the EIA, the official American government energy information source, that oil is going to be a central fuel for the world going forward past 2050, and will continue to grow in output beyond this date, in other words, the Green Dream is officially DEAD.

https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/ieo/pdf/IEO2021_ReleasePresentation.pdf

"• Oil and natural gas production will continue to grow, mainly to support increasing energy consumption in developing Asian economies."

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5 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Not out of date, Jay. Check those dates again. But this was New York Times, reflecting the liberal green opinion of those who agree with you.

The date on the article is May 6 2021, over six months ago as I said. The LFP revolution has become apparent since then.  Is this simple sequence of events beyond your comprehension? 

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6 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Again, Jay, you give us jokes. Tell us how many cars were sold.

Gas guzzling SUVs sit on the used car lot with price reductions while used Tesla's are selling for more than new Teslas because people don't want to wait months for delivery.

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6 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

And then we get Texas Disaster North....sounds brilliant as usual from the Green people.

Renewables keep expanding through red states. The red staters of Indiana are big supporters and the ones who make it possible. It seems they are smart enough to know that renewables were not the cause of the Texas disaster.

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On 4/23/2021 at 1:24 AM, JoMack said:

As Biden, the President of Climate Change, and Kerry, our fabulous Climate Czar, who just gave Japan the thumbs up to dump millions of tons of waste water from the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant into the Pacific Ocean, who then flies off in his private jet to Martha's Vineyard, decide to create a massive legislative boondoggle called the Green New Deal.  Now, they are not alone, they have the full throated backing from a bartender from Westchester NY, a socialist from Vermont, and other liberal climatoligists who get on twitter and tell us definitely that we're all going to all die in 10 years if we don't comply.  So, all of the climate crew are preparing to bring America into the dark ages. We have the new DOE Grishom, ex-Michigan Gov. who didn't meet a pipeline she didn't want to expunge (and Whitmer has now taken up the mantel on Line 5), and then we have Haaland, head of DOI, who didn't meet a drilling rig she didn't want to burn to the ground.  So, we have a group of thugs, pushing their agenda, and with no solutions, objectives,  science, economics, or the actual future of the U.S. in mind, so they press ahead with a monumental agenda where no one wins, expect them.

In 4 months, the U.S. production has dropped over 2 million barrels and the climate wizards are demanding that the U.S. drop its emissions by 50% by 2030.  WHOA!  How is that going to work?  Doesn't matter, just gut up and do it.  Overhauling the electric grid?  1/2 million charging stations?  refitting millions of buildings, transitioning all federal vehicles to EVs, etc.  It's such a lofty goal, but while being in Texas in February, I know for certain, that even 4 days without power, heat, communication and black ice, car dead, it's a pretty scary ordeal, and that's just 4 days.  So, just wondering just a bit about solar and wind, no one seems to be considering the problem of the massive renewable capacity that will be required to supply energy to the nation.  Not only the grid, but the vast swaths of land with new infrastructure at the same time that politicians and landowners from California to Vermont are fighting against the encroachment of large-scale renewable energy projects.

New York is shutting down its last nuclear plant at Indian Point and Gov. (in big trouble) Cuomo won't allow drilling or pipelines, so this should be pretty interesting to watch next winter, L.A. County banned large wind turbines and San Bernardino Co, Humboldt County, and Santa Barbara County rejected new wind turbines in their communities.  So as California, the big kahuna of renewable energy, between 2013 and 2019 California added less than 200MW of new wind energy capacity.  California as we know, will do anything to get to their goal of 30% lower emissions this year, so it's not much of a challenge to find some of the projects they have promoted in order to reach that standard.  Below is Ivanpah, with 350,000 garage size heliostats (mirrors) with 3 459' boiling towers costing $2.2B, backed by the U.S. taxpayers.  The facility has had more problems than Biden's thought process and the beams from the sun blind pilots going into LAX, scorch birds out of the sky (called streamers) - not sparrows by the way, covers 4000 feet of land in the Mojave Desert which "was" protected for wind burrow and the desert tortoise (but, it's for the good of the environment you idiots), and its capacity for all its cost and environmental issues it generates 342MW of power.  That would be 140,000 homes.  Yup, what a great project, and let's mot forget Crescent Dunes, another solar project that went bankrupt last year.  

 

So, we are going into a big giant mass of insanity with the Biden Administration going back into the Iran Nuclear Deal and handing them bucks and China is paying Iran with their cryptocurrency to a million+ bbls of oil.  So, the energy sector along with the country is in big trouble, and it's been 4 months.  We see the oil price moving about $5 bucks up and down every couple of weeks, and it's unsettling with banks lending on environmental risk and social justice risk.  Before the "Woke" came into play between energy and the lenders, risk was based on the proven reserves, developed and undeveloped, and now, how the hell do you calculate social justice risk?  But, wait, Exxon, BP, Shell, Conoco has been fighting failing states like NY, MA, CT, DE (Biden's home town BTW) CA, etc. (blue=disaster), for climate change disinformation.  As Biden says "Wreaked Havoc on Our Climate"! So, the Majors are now folding to the woke crowd, climate change will be the breakthrough for huge legal class actions, and the big question after all is said and done, will America survive?

 

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

I didnt write the link! However i have heard this estimate on numerous links and this has been posted on Oil Price many times

As for your back of a fag packet calculation, now who is being stupid?

you wrote ....15 largest ships produce more Co2 than all the cars on the planet...this is not what the article says at all......Stupid???? Can you read ?

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21 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Big polluters: One massive container ship equals 50 million cars

 
                                        April 23, 2009
 
South Korea's STX shipyard says it has designed a ship to carry 22,000 shipping containers that would be 450 meters long and there are already 3,693 new ship builds on the books for ocean going vessels over 150 meters in length due over the next three years.
 
The amount of air pollution just these new ships will put out when launched is equal to having another 29 billion cars on the roads.
 
 
 
How many large container ships are there in the world?
 
 
 
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According to the International Chamber of Shipping, there are currently more than 50,000 merchant ships operating in the oceans. Container ships (also spelt as containerships) are cargo ships that carry the load in large-sized intermodal containers.Sep 10, 2021
 
 
 
 
As of 2007, the United States Central Intelligence Agency statistics count 4,295 oil tankers of 1,000 long tons deadweight (DWT) or greater worldwide. Panama ...
 
 
“Bunker Fuel” Sounds Bad—It’s Worse Than It Sounds
 
The fuel is cheap, so it has enabled massive shipping of all kinds of things from raw materials to manufactured goods that are transported throughout the world. The problem is that a single large container ship pollutes the equivalent of 50 million cars, while just fifteen of these ships results in emissions equal to all the cars in the world. “And if the shipping industry were a country, it would be ranked between Germany and Japan as the sixth-largest contributor to global CO2 emissions.”
 
 
China, home to seven of the world’s 10 busiest container ports, started rolling out its own low-emissions zones in 2017. Ships entering about a dozen major ports must now switch to 0.5-percent sulfur fuel while at the dock. A government report found the rule has already reduced sulfur emissions in certain regions.
 
 

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2009 article concerning HSFO. The article was talking about SO2 pollution from using 3% sulfur bunker oil. Your pal stated that......15 largest ships produce more Co2 than all the cars on the planet???? Do not know how any one can make the jump from the problem of HSFO to ....15 largest ships produce more Co2 than all the cars on the planet. ......... Try to keep up with the times in  2020 You either have to run a ship with scrubbers to use HSFO or use low sulfur fuel oil. .... .........

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January 16, 202011:08 PMUpdated 2 years ago

U.S. refiners grab unloved Russian fuel oil on back of new shipping rules

By Julia Payne, Collin Eaton

4 Min Read

 

LONDON/HOUSTON (Reuters) - U.S. refiners are scooping up cheap high-sulfur fuel oil for processing from Russia and the Baltic states as they take advantage of new shipping rules that have cut demand for the dirtier marine fuel, according to oil traders and shipping data.

 
 
FILE PHOTO: Crude oil tanker Maran Cassiopeia is pictured in the waters off Tuas in Singapore July 15, 2019. REUTERS/Edgar Su

U.S. refiners Valero Corp VLO.N, Chevron Corp CVX.N and Phillips 66 PSX.N have been buying HSFO, traders said, taking advantage of their complex operations to turn HSFO blended with crude oils into products like diesel, gasoil and gasoline.

This month, 2.2 million tonnes of fuel oil, largely from Russia and the Baltic states, will arrive in the United States, highest in at least three years, according to oil analytics firm Vortexa Ltd. Two-thirds of the total is Russian in origin, its data shows.

New maritime rules known as IMO 2020 mandate that the shipping industry has to burn cleaner, low sulfur fuels in tankers. The rules, which took effect Jan. 1, have clipped demand for marine fuels such as high-sulfur fuel oil. The surplus marine fuel is becoming a salve for refiners, according to traders, who have seen margins drop sharply due to weak global demand for refined products like diesel and gasoline.

Valero did not reply to requests for comment. Chevron and Phillips 66 declined to comment.

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https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2021/11/10/scholar-cop26-dominated-by-fossil-fuel-polluting-countries-and-large-corporations/

Writing at The Conversation on Tuesday, Institute of Development Studies Professional Fellow Ian Scoones saw a schism developing between the technocratic elite of the climate change movement and hardcore true believers, who see forced re-primitivization and agrarian collectivism as the only way to achieve their climate goals.

In other words, the communists are losing patience with big corporations and politicians from rich nations using climate change to advance their agendas, when they should be busy teaching people in developed nations to abandon industry and economic freedom to embrace the more primitive lifestyle necessary to save the Earth.

Scoones used a term increasingly popular with the communist revolutionaries at the ideological heart of the climate change movement, “greenwashing,” to deride corporate leaders and politicians who think capitalism and industry can be saved:

The contradictions were all too apparent at this year’s conference, known as COP26. The hired exhibition spaces in the conference center were hosted by fossil fuel polluting countries and sponsored by large corporations. Corporate spin, also known as greenwash, abounded. There were a few African delegations with their own space and a vanishingly few civil society voices in the main venue.

Meanwhile, the discourse was very different in parallel fora. Here the talk was of inequality, climate justice and reparations. The focus was on radical transformations of systems of production and consumption. Many were critical of business-led and market-based solutions to climate change.

There was passion, commitment and a real sense of anger and frustration about the main conference. Huge suspicion around the corporate takeover of the climate agenda swirled, with much commentary on the double standards of the UK hosts, still proposing a new coalmine and oilfield as part of a so-called ‘transition’.

Of course, like most climate activists, Scoones did not dwell on the inconvenient fact that the worst polluter on Earth is the world’s communist superpower, China. If he had any hard feelings about China pumping record amounts of greenhouse gas to fuel its gigantic array of coal-fired power plants, Beijing’s refusal to make any concessions whatsoever at COP26, or Chinese President Xi Jinping’s decision not to attend the climate summit in Scotland, he did not divulge them in the article.

Instead, he mused at length about the incompatibility of capitalism with climate change solutions and social justice. Scoones dismissed “green” capitalist promises to “save the day through technology investment and market mechanisms” as fantasies and shredded “net-zero” pledges as bookkeeping exercises with a “plethora of offsetting schemes” that will not reduce carbon emissions by nearly enough to reverse climate change.

“By contrast, critical civil society and youth voices argue that capitalism is the root cause of the problem, together with its handmaiden colonialism. The only solution therefore is to overhaul capitalism and dismantle unequal global power relations. But how, through what alliances?” he wondered.

Scoones himself is a “pastoralist,” which as a political project means forcibly de-industrializing the developed world as much as possible and moving people back onto farms, which of course would be collectivist enterprises in a world where capitalism has been rubbed out. The last time humanity tried this system, the result was mass starvation and a mountain of bullet-riddled corpses, but the carbon footprint of the dead was decreased considerably. 

Amusingly, Scoones mentioned the pastoralists must defend themselves from the even harder core of climate activists who worry about the methane emitted by the nether regions of their animals. 

The pastoralists responded with a Sheep for the Climate exhibit at COP26 to “discuss why livestock are not always bad for the planet.” There has also been talk of giving the animals medicine that would make them fart less, and perhaps making cows wear face masks.

The key takeaway from all this is the growing tension between committed climate activists and the political and corporate leaders who believe they can negotiate a “compromise” that will fatten their wallets and flatter their interests, while preserving recognizable living conditions in the developed world. 

The alliance between communists, hardcore environmentalists, “moderate” left-wing politicians, and opportunistic corporations has been politically and financially profitable for all concerned – but it is reaching its limits, because the first two groups are serious about forcing a radical transformation of Western life, and it won’t be padded with decades of “transitional” clean industry and green capitalism.

 

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11 hours ago, notsonice said:

you wrote ....15 largest ships produce more Co2 than all the cars on the planet...this is not what the article says at all......Stupid???? Can you read ?

Your name on this thread is very apt 

You're clearly are full of yourelf arent you.

Is there nothing you dont know?

I bet you're serious fun on a night out

I'd like to see you call me stupid to my face in a bar, big man!

 

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22 hours ago, notsonice said:

2009 article concerning HSFO. The article was talking about SO2 pollution from using 3% sulfur bunker oil. Your pal stated that......15 largest ships produce more Co2 than all the cars on the planet???? Do not know how any one can make the jump from the problem of HSFO to ....15 largest ships produce more Co2 than all the cars on the planet. ......... Try to keep up with the times in  2020 You either have to run a ship with scrubbers to use HSFO or use low sulfur fuel oil. .... .........

Grasshopper it is you that needs to be awoken. The large scale pollution caused by shipping has been occurring since large scale shipping had its beginning. 

Measurements of this pollution only came forward in around 2007. The articles does point out the sulfur content which by the way is by far more violate than carbon. 

This type of pollution is on going....there is no world wide shut down to introduce scrubbers....

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20 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Gas guzzling SUVs sit on the used car lot with price reductions while used Tesla's are selling for more than new Teslas because people don't want to wait months for delivery.

You are dodging the question, again Jay, no surprise in that, you are forced to avoid the serious questions. 

The question again, HOW MANY?

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19 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Renewables keep expanding through red states. The red staters of Indiana are big supporters and the ones who make it possible. It seems they are smart enough to know that renewables were not the cause of the Texas disaster.

Texas Disaster North coming up, next big production of the Green Dream.

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Biden & Co. have wisely decided to change course and embrace oil as the central fuel for American needs. The Green extremists disguised as the current administration in Michigan have been isolated and ridiculed by this about-turn in federal policy, and now the realities of fossil fuel energy have reasserted their dominance in government forecasts, as noted above.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/WTI-Crude-Slides-As-Inflation-Fears-Spook-Traders.html

"The Biden Administration has found itself in hot water over the high crude oil and gasoline prices—the latter which have plagued the American consumer, threatening to diminish support for President Biden. President Biden is still considering other avenues to quash prices, including a release of crude oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve and repeated calls on OPEC+ to increase production. The Administration has even decided to spare the controversial Line 5 pipeline that runs from Canada to Michigan, which has found ardent resistance from Democrats, including Michigan’s Governor Gretchen Whitmer who is now largely out on a limb in her resistance as President Biden pulls out all stops to curb high prices. The U.S. oil industry has claimed that Biden’s anti-U.S. oil industry ways are precisely what is contributing to the high prices. The President has argued that OPEC+ and their refusal to produce more crude oil is what is keeping oil prices high."

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