GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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57 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

I would think that the price of the natural gas switchers would be much lower. Any existing switcher could be converted to natural gas. Same with any vehicle or engine of any kind. Quite an advantage. 

Europe has now deemed natural gas and nuclear as green energy sources, so electrical vehicles will not have as large a propaganda advantage. 

again the regenerative braking is what is making the battery locos more efficient . Electricity is cheaper to power than Nat gas  (commercial electricity  rates are half of what you or I pay and night time rates even better) Electricity from renewables is more green than Nat gas

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4 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

 

 

I guess you did not read the IEA fine print,

"The economic rebound from the pandemic is taking coal power generation to a new record high this year, with global coal demand likely hitting another new high next year, undermining net-zero efforts, the International Energy Agency (IEA) said in its annual Coal 2021 report released on Friday.

According to the agency, the 2020 collapse in coal demand turned out to be smaller than anticipated, as China’s recovery began sooner than expected and turned out to be stronger than initially forecast.

Based on current trends, global coal demand is set to rise to 8025 Mt in 2022, the highest level ever seen, and to remain there through 2024, the IEA estimates.

This year’s global recovery dashed any hopes that coal-fired power generation may have peaked, the IEA said, expecting global coal power generation to rise by 9 percent this year to 10350 terawatt-hours (TWh)—a new all-time high.

Over the next two years, global coal demand could even see new record highs as emerging markets led by China and India will lead consumption growth which is set to outpace declines in developed economies, according to the IEA."

global coal demand is set to rise to 8025 Mt in 2022, the highest level ever seen...yet in 2014 world coal production was at 8,164.9 MT...... You tell me which number is bigger 8025 or 8164.9??? please no calculators or help from your teacher ... 2022 is not going to set a record.....IEA obviously does not look at historical records the same as you....

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59 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

LNG is very dense and can easily fuel locomotives. I have not seen any comparison to cost or utility. Overhead electric lines make sense too. Any of the above can do the job. The cost of the engines and the cost of the fuel and the cost of the overhead lines all need to be figured in. I doubt there are any good statistics. I don't smoke anything.😊

Overhead electric lines make sense too. ...for charging no need to run overheads everywhere  just for runs long enough to charge up batteries. Wabtecs locos need up to 45 minutes thus on main lines 50 miles per 300 to 400 miles of track???? or charging stations once again where crews swap out (remember crews no longer sleep in cabooses they can only be on a train for no more than 12 hours straight.....

By law they cannot

remain or go on duty for a period in excess of 12 consecutive hours;

remain or go on duty unless that employee has had at least 10 consecutive hours off duty during the prior 24 hours; or

 

Railroads like to swap out at 8 hours to avoid overtime pay

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1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Apparently you do not: India is massively ramping up coal production.  https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/coal-indias-production-rises-7-in-january-8020291.html

Future projections: https://www.climatescorecard.org/2019/05/coal-production-is-expanding-in-india/

https://madrascourier.com/environment/indias-plans-to-increase-coal-production-is-an-environmental-social-disaster/

Add Nigeria to that list... Any country that has coal and is developing will use coal and continue to do so. 

China not use coal?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA  I have swamp land to sell you... Its going cheap, prime waterfront.  They have no alternative even with building out pumped hydro everywhere and ever more hydrodams.  Hell, if I were them, I would be building even MORE of them than they already are.  Only reason their coal usage dropped slightly is because they finally switched out their old garbage generators for modern ones. 

Report recommends no new coal plants for India as prospects for batteries improve

An expert committee in India is recommending that the country stop building new coal-fired power plants, after concluding that renewables can meet all future need for electricity.

India ‘can’t escape’ coal phasedown, needs funding to drive just transition for 33 million workers. Image: TripodStories- AB, CC BY-SA 4.0. 

The Energy Mix

2 minute read Jan. 31, 2022

An expert committee in India is recommending that the country stop building new coal-fired power plants, after concluding that renewables can meet all future need for electricity.

“The committee, headed by former Central Electricity Authority (CEA) chair Gireesh Pradhan, found the addition of low-cost renewable energy capacity would handle the expected growth in electricity demand,” the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis (IEEFA) reports. “It also found the overall coal fleet was underutilised, averaging 55 per cent capacity utilisation,” though that capacity factor will improve as demand rises.

The report calls for India to replace retired coal capacity with 450 gigawatts (GW) of “variable renewables” capacity by 2030, writes IEEFA Energy Finance Analyst Kashish Shah, with peak power supplied through a combination of batteries and pumped storage, conventional gas and coal, and hydropower.

Many other jurisdictions have looked to gas-fired power plants, with their flexibility to ramp up and down quickly, to meet peak demand. But Shah says a lack of domestic supply has kept gas plants and India to a utilisation rate below 20 per cent.

And now, gas isn’t the only option to accommodate sudden changes in demand. “In terms of flexibility, battery storage is the most proven technology to provide fast ramp-up and ramp-down energy dispatch and fast frequency service,” he writes. “Batteries ramp up to full load in a minute and can also absorb excess power from the grid.”

With system costs falling fast over the last decade, Shah says solar+storage is cost-competitive with new coal plants and “burgeoning” in the United States and Australia. And recent market and regulatory changes could bring those trends to India, as well.

“ReNew Power, one of the biggest renewable energy developers in India, and Fluence Energy, a leading battery technology provider, have announced a joint venture to develop a 150-MWh storage facility in Karnataka,” he reports. “The cost of batteries could reduce further with local manufacture,” and government support is on the way to help build up localised battery value chains.

This story was published with permission from The Energy Mix.

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30 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

The recommendation by some renewable energy major investors? 

You're a gullible loser, aren't you...

Their article is sourced - they may have a bias or objective in their reporting, but unless you believe what they are reporting is factually wrong, it doesn't really matter.  I did a quick google search, and Reuters, and the Indian NEP (sort of their version of the IEA) are both saying that a plan to stop construction of new coal fired plants is may be adopted.  It's real news regardless of the source.

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On 1/27/2022 at 12:50 AM, Boat said:

Renewables with batteries can handle all non critical electrical needs including electric cars and air conditioning. They can also handle base load if your far enough south to avoid winter storms like in Texas. A state or area would have to be aware of floods, hurricanes etc. I am no expert at determining how much nat gas reserve margin that sits around and does nothing waiting on a 10 year flood. Nat gas still seems to be the best option. Just don’t have Texas manage it.

The state needs to let the public decide. Like we can supply 2 days worth of electricity with the grid and batteries for this price. If you want 10 days of reserve margin it would be x price. Instead of name calling being practical would be smarter. I don’t think politicians are smart enough to think like that though. 

Winter storms like in Texas are avoidable by having some clue. Sweden manages somehow? So, Texas is too far south already.

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1 hour ago, notsonice said:

Report recommends no new coal plants for India as prospects for batteries improve

An expert committee in India is recommending that the country stop building new coal-fired power plants, after concluding that renewables can meet all future need for electricity.

India ‘can’t escape’ coal phasedown, needs funding to drive just transition for 33 million workers. Image: TripodStories- AB, CC BY-SA 4.0. 

 

 

The Energy Mix

2 minute read Jan. 31, 2022

An expert committee in India is recommending that the country stop building new coal-fired power plants, after concluding that renewables can meet all future need for electricity.

“The committee, headed by former Central Electricity Authority (CEA) chair Gireesh Pradhan, found the addition of low-cost renewable energy capacity would handle the expected growth in electricity demand,” the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis (IEEFA) reports. “It also found the overall coal fleet was underutilised, averaging 55 per cent capacity utilisation,” though that capacity factor will improve as demand rises.

The report calls for India to replace retired coal capacity with 450 gigawatts (GW) of “variable renewables” capacity by 2030, writes IEEFA Energy Finance Analyst Kashish Shah, with peak power supplied through a combination of batteries and pumped storage, conventional gas and coal, and hydropower.

Many other jurisdictions have looked to gas-fired power plants, with their flexibility to ramp up and down quickly, to meet peak demand. But Shah says a lack of domestic supply has kept gas plants and India to a utilisation rate below 20 per cent.

And now, gas isn’t the only option to accommodate sudden changes in demand. “In terms of flexibility, battery storage is the most proven technology to provide fast ramp-up and ramp-down energy dispatch and fast frequency service,” he writes. “Batteries ramp up to full load in a minute and can also absorb excess power from the grid.”

With system costs falling fast over the last decade, Shah says solar+storage is cost-competitive with new coal plants and “burgeoning” in the United States and Australia. And recent market and regulatory changes could bring those trends to India, as well.

“ReNew Power, one of the biggest renewable energy developers in India, and Fluence Energy, a leading battery technology provider, have announced a joint venture to develop a 150-MWh storage facility in Karnataka,” he reports. “The cost of batteries could reduce further with local manufacture,” and government support is on the way to help build up localised battery value chains.

This story was published with permission from The Energy Mix.

No way in heck. India has been building up a portfolio of long-term coal contracts like crazy.

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Just now, Andrei Moutchkine said:

No way in heck. India has been building up a portfolio of long-term coal contracts like crazy.

 

 

deal with it....

since 2015, 326GW of proposed coal projects in India have seen cancellations, which means a 92% decrease in the pipeline. .....which means India’s pre-construction pipeline of 21GW risks getting scrapped.

 

 

India is bidding adieu to thermal plants: What happens to coal demand?

While old coal-fired power plants are being phased out, India has not commissioned a new one for some time now. But India's coal demand will still see growth in the short term. What's this paradox?

Krishna Veera Vanamali  |  New Delhi  Last Updated at January 13, 2022 08:30 IST

 

 

 

 

 

 

Banks around the world are increasingly deserting coal projects, from mining to power plants. And the case is no different in India. Coal is after all the most polluting fossil fuel and the biggest contributor to climate change.

India is currently constructing 34GW of new coal capacity on top of its existing fleet of 233GW. Notably, a recent study by independent climate change think tank E3G has found that since 2015, 326GW of proposed coal projects in India have seen cancellations, which means a 92% decrease in the pipeline.

The economics are also not favourable towards building new coal plants, which means India’s pre-construction pipeline of 21GW risks getting scrapped.

India’s renewable power tariffs are among the lowest in the world. It has seen a remarkable increase in the capacity addition of renewable energy generation led by solar and wind power.

Several power plants are set to be decommissioned in the coming years. Coal plants are normally decommissioned after the completion of their useful life, which could range anywhere from 25 to 45 years.

The International Energy Agency estimates India’s coal demand to grow 4% annually till at least 2024.

And a report by NITI Aayog in December said that coal-based electricity generation capacity in India is likely “to peak at about 250 GW” by the end of this decade or immediately thereafter whereas coal-based electricity generation will slow down, and likely peak a few years later.

Amid such forecast, an expert panel set up by NITI Aayog has proposed a scrappage policy for thermal power plants. Approximately 54GW of coal plants could be considered for retirement by 2030.

What this means is that a reduction in thermal power generation capacity will not translate into lower coal consumption.

Existing power plants are in a comfortable position to absorb the growth in coal demand over the medium term, which could also improve their efficiency.

Since funding is hard to come by in the sector, new projects beyond those already under construction are unlikely to come up. This, however, will not mean that the end of coal is near even though it will grow at a much slower pace than renewable power generation.

 

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On 1/29/2022 at 6:22 AM, ronwagn said:

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2022/01/28/tesla-share-price-drop-wipes-out-100-billion-of-market-value-in-one-day/

Tesla Share Price Drop Wipes Out $100 Billion of Market Value in One Day

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Obviously, the Ukraine!

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16 minutes ago, notsonice said:

 

 

deal with it....

since 2015, 326GW of proposed coal projects in India have seen cancellations, which means a 92% decrease in the pipeline. .....which means India’s pre-construction pipeline of 21GW risks getting scrapped.

 

 

India is bidding adieu to thermal plants: What happens to coal demand?

While old coal-fired power plants are being phased out, India has not commissioned a new one for some time now. But India's coal demand will still see growth in the short term. What's this paradox?

Krishna Veera Vanamali  |  New Delhi  Last Updated at January 13, 2022 08:30 IST

 

 

 

 

 

 

Banks around the world are increasingly deserting coal projects, from mining to power plants. And the case is no different in India. Coal is after all the most polluting fossil fuel and the biggest contributor to climate change.

India is currently constructing 34GW of new coal capacity on top of its existing fleet of 233GW. Notably, a recent study by independent climate change think tank E3G has found that since 2015, 326GW of proposed coal projects in India have seen cancellations, which means a 92% decrease in the pipeline.

The economics are also not favourable towards building new coal plants, which means India’s pre-construction pipeline of 21GW risks getting scrapped.

India’s renewable power tariffs are among the lowest in the world. It has seen a remarkable increase in the capacity addition of renewable energy generation led by solar and wind power.

Several power plants are set to be decommissioned in the coming years. Coal plants are normally decommissioned after the completion of their useful life, which could range anywhere from 25 to 45 years.

The International Energy Agency estimates India’s coal demand to grow 4% annually till at least 2024.

And a report by NITI Aayog in December said that coal-based electricity generation capacity in India is likely “to peak at about 250 GW” by the end of this decade or immediately thereafter whereas coal-based electricity generation will slow down, and likely peak a few years later.

Amid such forecast, an expert panel set up by NITI Aayog has proposed a scrappage policy for thermal power plants. Approximately 54GW of coal plants could be considered for retirement by 2030.

What this means is that a reduction in thermal power generation capacity will not translate into lower coal consumption.

Existing power plants are in a comfortable position to absorb the growth in coal demand over the medium term, which could also improve their efficiency.

Since funding is hard to come by in the sector, new projects beyond those already under construction are unlikely to come up. This, however, will not mean that the end of coal is near even though it will grow at a much slower pace than renewable power generation.

 

So far, a non-event, given overall demand growth in coal that they also mention. A whole lot of large Indian projects gets cancelled due to lack of funding, not only energy. This is how things are always done over there. Are nukes "thermal?" India is also building up on nukes.

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https://www.euronews.com/2022/02/01/why-is-the-eu-s-green-investment-label-for-nuclear-and-gas-so-controversial

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3 hours ago, notsonice said:

Report recommends no new coal plants for India as prospects for batteries improve

An expert committee in India is recommending that the country stop building new coal-fired power plants, after concluding that renewables can meet all future need for electricity.

India ‘can’t escape’ coal phasedown, needs funding to drive just transition for 33 million workers. Image: TripodStories- AB, CC BY-SA 4.0. 

 

 

The Energy Mix

2 minute read Jan. 31, 2022

An expert committee in India is recommending that the country stop building new coal-fired power plants, after concluding that renewables can meet all future need for electricity.

“The committee, headed by former Central Electricity Authority (CEA) chair Gireesh Pradhan, found the addition of low-cost renewable energy capacity would handle the expected growth in electricity demand,” the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis (IEEFA) reports. “It also found the overall coal fleet was underutilised, averaging 55 per cent capacity utilisation,” though that capacity factor will improve as demand rises.

The report calls for India to replace retired coal capacity with 450 gigawatts (GW) of “variable renewables” capacity by 2030, writes IEEFA Energy Finance Analyst Kashish Shah, with peak power supplied through a combination of batteries and pumped storage, conventional gas and coal, and hydropower.

Many other jurisdictions have looked to gas-fired power plants, with their flexibility to ramp up and down quickly, to meet peak demand. But Shah says a lack of domestic supply has kept gas plants and India to a utilisation rate below 20 per cent.

And now, gas isn’t the only option to accommodate sudden changes in demand. “In terms of flexibility, battery storage is the most proven technology to provide fast ramp-up and ramp-down energy dispatch and fast frequency service,” he writes. “Batteries ramp up to full load in a minute and can also absorb excess power from the grid.”

With system costs falling fast over the last decade, Shah says solar+storage is cost-competitive with new coal plants and “burgeoning” in the United States and Australia. And recent market and regulatory changes could bring those trends to India, as well.

“ReNew Power, one of the biggest renewable energy developers in India, and Fluence Energy, a leading battery technology provider, have announced a joint venture to develop a 150-MWh storage facility in Karnataka,” he reports. “The cost of batteries could reduce further with local manufacture,” and government support is on the way to help build up localised battery value chains.

This story was published with permission from The Energy Mix.

Sure... Some idiot think tank "recommends"....

India is RAMPING UP Coal production by 80%, and is already up 7% this year. 

You need to keep playing A certain Eurythmics songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeMFqkcPYcg

Enjoy, its a good song.  Seems it is your anthem. 

Now since they are near equator... Yes, Solar + battery is quite possible for them... in the LONG LONG LONG term. 

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1 hour ago, ronwagn said:

https://www.euronews.com/2022/02/01/why-is-the-eu-s-green-investment-label-for-nuclear-and-gas-so-controversial

Because Eurofags!

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2 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Winter storms like in Texas are avoidable by having some clue. Sweden manages somehow? So, Texas is too far south already.

It's a matter of priorities.  Sweden's grid would crash by April on it's way into the maximum summer cooling season in August due to excess demand if it had to cope with the same general electricity load structure that Texas did. They are two totally different systems set up to deal with very different demands.  My 2 cents:  The population and electricity generation profile of the state of Texas had grown a LOT and changed a lot since the last time there was a cold weather event.  It had been nearly 20 years since a storm like that hit the state.  The population then was just over 20 million, and now it's about 29 million.  That's a big change, and the electricial grid kept pace with major changes also.  Since the weaknesses identified last year, they made adjustments, and this time around it won't be nearly the same sort of issue, because a lot of lessons have been learned. 

to put it in perspective, a day when the entire state of Texas is below freezing during the coldest part of the night is as common as a day in Sweden where the entire country sees temperatures over 85 F (30C ) in the warmest part of the day.  The weather plays an enormous factor in what the grid is prepared for. 

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On 1/27/2022 at 10:16 AM, Eyes Wide Open said:

The severity of the energy crisis in the EU is being severely hidden by the press

 It is my own opinion it is the very foundation for Putin barnstorming the Ukraine. Where else in the world is the EU going to get gas to power their grid. The guy is bullet proof and he is well aware of it.

This green movement is virtually pulling back the world to medieval times.

Where Is Germany in the Ukraine Standoff? Its Allies Wonder.

Germany’s allies have begun to question what price Berlin is prepared to pay to deter Russia, and even its reliability as an ally, as it wavers on tough measures.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/25/world/europe/germany-russia-nato-ukraine.html

I repeat, Putin is doing absolutely nothing to Ukraine. This whole story is entirely invented by your press.

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2 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

I repeat, Putin is doing absolutely nothing to Ukraine. This whole story is entirely invented by your press.

You can see the Russian troop movements on YouTube, lol. Your so silly. They are not mad yet. No dicks in their hands and dancing yet. When we see that, we’ll know their serious. 

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1 hour ago, ronwagn said:

https://www.euronews.com/2022/02/01/why-is-the-eu-s-green-investment-label-for-nuclear-and-gas-so-controversial

Just remember Obama preached nat gas as the bridge fuel and nothing to stop flaring. Dems love nat gas. Don’t try to invent an enemy. 

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27 minutes ago, Boat said:

You can see the Russian troop movements on YouTube, lol. Your so silly. They are not mad yet. No dicks in their hands and dancing yet. When we see that, we’ll know their serious. 

They are always troop movements in Russia. The ones you do see  on YouTube are only the ones they want you to see.

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On 1/31/2022 at 5:43 PM, Eric Gagen said:

Worse yet, much of the housing stock in Europe is old - like hundreds of years old.  Retrofitting buildings like that to meet modern insulation standards is such a massive project that I don't believe any significant effort has ever been made.  The number of them is too large just to knock them all down and start over, and they are too strategically located to simply abandon them and start over in some other location.  These are all strategies the US uses to weed out obsolete building stock, but Europe hasn't' really done it for a variety of reasons, beyond the wholesale random destruction that took place in WWII.  

 

USA uses termites and larger varmint like nesting coons and squirrels to churn the housing stock. A building that is still around after hundreds of years is probably worth insulating for a few hundreds more.

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36 minutes ago, Boat said:

Just remember Obama preached nat gas as the bridge fuel and nothing to stop flaring. Dems love nat gas. Don’t try to invent an enemy. 

Obama was helpful to natural gas but not N.G. vehicles. Nor did they release information on a home natural gas pump that was .planned to cost under $500. Millions were given to Texas Tech and a large leading pump manufacturer for its development. 

The Biden administration has been a negative force to oil and gas production. They have shut off natural gas leases on federal land. That land belongs to american citizens as a whole. They have also canceled a pipeline that is badly needed in New England, causing high prices there.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/01/05/joe-biden-administration-federal-energy-regulatory-commission-new-england-natural-gas-plant/

Biden Administration Blocks Natural Gas Project In New England

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On 4/23/2021 at 3:29 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

No, you are smelling Texas. By August California will have 2GW of new battery storage online since last August. That is more than the power shortage that led to our rolling blackouts.

And yet those rolling blackouts will continue to grow in scope an frequency.  The Gumps at the Bill Mill Love to tout their "Eco" cred while Ignoring the Fact they Refuse to invest or Allow investment in the grid.  The infrastructure in place is barely handling the load as is.  Let alone all the new connections that will be mandated by Gov Newnuthin an his Legislative lackeys.  But why should they worry, when termed out they'll up an move to FL or TX and enjoy watching CA implode under the weight of their Stupidity!

Not to mention the Net OUT Migration that is hitting CA in the ole pocketbook as Companies and People Leave for other states to escape the Mental furballs in the Bill Mill.  But no worries, ole Newnuthin plans to Tax them for the next 10 years lest they think they'll escape the Stupidity...

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17 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

So far, a non-event, given overall demand growth in coal that they also mention. A whole lot of large Indian projects gets cancelled due to lack of funding, not only energy. This is how things are always done over there. Are nukes "thermal?" India is also building up on nukes.

 A whole lot of large Indian projects gets cancelled due to lack of funding, not only energy???? Nearly every coal project cancelled , nearly every solar project built to completion. Says it all. Why are you babbling about Nukes??? the topic is Peak Coal. 

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5 hours ago, Prometheus1354 said:

And yet those rolling blackouts will continue to grow in scope an frequency. ,,,Ignoring the Fact they Refuse to invest or Allow investment in the grid.

Yet there haven't been any more rolling black outs in California. Try joining us in reality.

We are investing large sums in our grid, for example:

The CPUC's 11.5 GW clean energy procurement order is the largest such directive from the agency at once, prompting CPUC Commissioner Clifford Rechtschaffen to refer to it as “a landmark decision,” during the June agency meeting where it was approved. 

"This is enough to power about 2.5 million households in the state," Rechtschaffen said. 

The order requires load-serving entities to bring on a minimum of 2,000 MW of new resources by mid-2023, another 6,000 MW by 2024, and increments of 1,500 MW and 2,000 MW in 2025 and 2026. Of that, PG&E has been tasked with procuring at least 2,302 MW between 2023 and 2026. https://www.utilitydive.com/news/pge-proposes-64-gwh-battery-storage-plan-in-response-to-californias-115/617646/

Edited February 3, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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23 hours ago, Eric Gagen said:

Their article is sourced - they may have a bias or objective in their reporting, but unless you believe what they are reporting is factually wrong, it doesn't really matter.  I did a quick google search, and Reuters, and the Indian NEP (sort of their version of the IEA) are both saying that a plan to stop construction of new coal fired plants is may be adopted.  It's real news regardless of the source.

It's a recommendation by the minister of renewable energy. Of course that's his stance. 

Recommendations for stopping coal/NG are irrelevant from renewables proponents. 

Don't be so obtuse. 

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4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yet there haven't been any more rolling black outs in California. Try joining us in reality.

You just had them this past summer you pedantic geriatric moron. That was reality. That's going to happen every summer for California.