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2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

No, your numbers are still off. That does not include large trucks and work vehicles and and train engines. Add everything into the total and you get less than 1% for EV.

For the larger vehicles, EV are close to 0% of the markets new and used.

 

If you want to count those then add golf carts  and you lose.

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4 minutes ago, nsdp said:

If you want to count those then add golf carts  and you lose.

Sorry, golf carts will not take you to the local food store. 

You have to add in the air traffic and airplanes, large and small.

Helicopters.

You fail again to make the grade.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Ecocharger

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Just now, Ecocharger said:

Sorry, golf carts will not take you to the local food store. 

You fail again to make the grade.

They take me to my doctor 7 miles away.   That goes past three grocery stores, 4 pharmcies, 1 auto dealer and 4 strip centers.   You just want to bend the rules so you win.

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

No, your numbers are still off. That does not include large trucks and work vehicles and  train engines. You have not included larger vehicles.  Also, airplanes. Add everything into the total and you get less than 1% for EV.

For the larger vehicles, EV are close to 0% of the markets, both  new and used.

 

HaHa, what a buffoon you are. Very few of those vehicles are purchased every year either new or used, Compared to light duty vehicles they are little more than a rounding error. EVs are over 1% of the total market. If you disagree then post the numbers to prove it. But of course you aren't capable of doing that.

Electric makes up 64% of the North American lift truck market, ITA data shows. https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/electric-forklifts-material-handling-warehouse/606823/

 

The Light Electric Vehicle Association projects that the US imported approximately 790,000 e-bikes in 2021. That’s a significant increase over the nearly 450,000 e-bikes imported in 2020

Light Electric Vehicle Association predicts that more than 1 million e-bikes will be sold in the U.S. this year,

Edited May 27, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/tariffs-on-solar-panels-threaten-bidens-climate-change-goals-174747459.html

While China maximizes its coal burning along with India. RCW

 

Tariffs on solar panels threaten Biden's climate change goals

Ben Adler

·Senior Editor

Thu, May 26, 2022, 12:47 PM

 

 

 

 

An ongoing Department of Commerce investigation into whether China is circumventing tariffs on its solar energy products is slowing the expansion of solar power capacity in the U.S., according to industry and outside experts.

“In the blink of an eye, we’re going to lose 100,000 American solar workers and any hope of reaching the president’s clean energy goals,” Abigail Ross Hopper, president and CEO of the Solar Energies Industry Association (SEIA), said in a statement late last month.

On March 25, James Maeder, the deputy assistant secretary of commerce for anti-dumping and countervailing duty operations, announced an investigation into whether crystalline silicon photovoltaic cells from Cambodia, Malaysia, Thailand or Vietnam that use components from China violate tariffs on Chinese solar imports. Pending the outcome of that investigation, tariffs could be applied — even retroactively, for recent purchases — to solar panels from those four Southeast Asian countries.

Solar panel installers anxious not to run up what could potentially be a huge tax bill are therefore avoiding buying panels from those major suppliers and are often unable to fulfill orders.

 

A worker assembles a solar battery at Irex Energy JSC's manufacturing facility in Vung Tau, Vietnam, in 2019. (Yen Duong/Bloomberg via Getty Images)

As a result, on April 27, after surveying its members on the effect the investigation is having, the SEIA cut by 46% its forecast for new solar installations in 2022 and 2023. A May 10 analysis by Rystad Energy, an independent energy research consulting company, found a potentially even more dramatic contraction in the solar industry, concluding that 64% of the 27 gigawatts of new solar capacity that was to be installed in this year is in jeopardy.

With new tariffs potentially being imposed in August, clean energy advocates and experts say the problems may only grow worse in the months ahead. “Imports have fallen off, projects are being canceled, and projections of growth are being revised radically downward,” David Roberts, host of the podcast “Volts,” said Wednesday. “The tariffs could be anywhere from 30%-250%, which would radically change the economics of big solar projects, and, if applied, will be retrospective over the last two years, which means even existing contracts are in jeopardy. The uncertainty has cast a pall over the entire sector.”

President Biden is publicly committed to expanding solar capacity as quickly as possible to combat climate change. The White House has issued press releases and fact sheets touting its administrative moves to encourage the installation of wind turbines and solar panels on federal lands and waters, and the president has proposed tens of billions of dollars in subsidies for rooftop solar panels in his budget reconciliation package.

 

In June 2019, while running for president, Joe Biden walks past solar panels at the Plymouth Area Renewable Energy Initiative in Plymouth, N.H. (Brian Snyder/Reuters)

The administration is caught between its climate goals and its desire to protect American manufacturers from unfair trade practices. If China can produce cheaper solar panels, with or without a government subsidy, it benefits American consumers and helps speed up the replacement of fossil fuels that cause greenhouse gas emissions. But allowing a rival to dominate the supply chain of growing U.S. energy sources could be risky, as Europe has seen with its reliance on Russian oil and gas. Every president wants to create domestic manufacturing jobs, which tend to pay relatively well, especially for those without a college degree.

In 2012, the Obama administration imposed tariffs on Chinese solar panel components — increasing the cost by 24% to 36% — when it found that, in violation of trade agreements, Chinese manufacturers were unfairly undercutting American competitors by using loans from the Chinese government to produce more panels at lower prices. (Tariffs have since increased to as much as 250%.)

The measure was supposed to bolster American solar manufacturing, but it didn’t work out that way.

 

In March 2012, President Barack Obama tours Sempra's Copper Mountain Solar 1 facility in Boulder City, Nev. (Julie Jacobson/AP)

“What happened was not that American domestic manufacturing flourished. What happened was: The same Chinese manufacturers decided to locate some of their supply chain in other countries,” Marcelo Ortega, an analyst at Rystad Energy who produced its recent report, told Yahoo News. Those countries include the four in Southeast Asia at issue in this case. As U.S. imports of solar panels from China fell, imports from these other countries rose just as fast.

In February, Auxin Solar, a U.S. manufacturer of solar modules, filed a complaint with the Commerce Department, which is responsible for enforcing the tariffs, claiming that the solar manufacturers in Cambodia, Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam are making an end run around the tariffs on Chinese photovoltaic cells. Imports from those countries accounted for 85% of all imported U.S. solar power capacity installed in 2021 and 99% of solar imports in the first two months of this year, according to Rystad’s analysis.

Companies that provide solar panels to U.S. customers say their business has been thrown for a loop.

“It makes deploying solar simply just more difficult and more expensive,” Gabe Phillips, CEO of Catalyst Power, a retail energy provider and solar developer, told Yahoo News. “On the distributed solar side, the pricing's all over the place. They can't commit to pricing. They'll give me a price, with the caveat that it's contingent on the outcome of this case. It’s stymieing the sales process.”

 

Employees in Nantong City, in China's Jiangsu province, work on the solar panel production line at a workshop of Jiangsu Fox Group on April 18. (Zhai Huiyong/VCG via Getty Images)

Apart from the uncertainty in pricing, the process of providing a customer with solar energy has become slower and less reliable.

“Suppliers don’t want to take the risk of being slapped with a potential 100% import tariff,” Ortega said. When the SEIA surveyed its members, 83% reported that purchases had recently been canceled or delayed.

“At the moment, the products we're seeking to market have been pushed back at least a quarter,” Phillips said. “There's less expectation of panel availability, and therefore dates for projects are being pushed back.”

The White House declined to comment on the record, noting that it does not get involved in legal proceedings such as the current Commerce Department investigation, but it reiterated the president’s commitment to deploying solar power.

"While we cannot comment on an ongoing, independent judicial investigation, the process cannot factor in policy or our solar strategy,” a White House official who spoke on the condition of anonymity wrote in an email. “President Biden remains committed to standing up clean solar energy across the country to lower energy bills for families, create good-paying union jobs, and … grow our clean energy economy. As the president has made clear from the earliest days of the campaign, solar power is at the heart of his agenda for cutting energy costs for American families, creat[ing] good jobs, and fight[ing] the climate crisis that is already causing unprecedented harm to our economy and national security.”

 

Electricians install solar panels at LaGuardia Airport in Queens, N.Y., in November 2021. (Mary Altaffer/AP)

The solar industry’s answer is to build up American solar manufacturing without resorting to jacking up the price on imports.

“I understand the detriment to American manufacturing that dumping causes,” Phillips said. “However, I’m not sure that I have a problem with the Chinese government subsidizing American renewable energy development. There are other ways that we could support our own domestic manufacturing of solar panels, other than sticking a tariff on someone else's solar panels. We could do what China does and subsidize [it]. There must be tools that are available.”

The Department of Commerce did not respond to a request for comment.

 

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Sorry, golf carts will not take you to the local food store. 

You have to add in the air traffic and airplanes, large and small.

Helicopters.

You fail again to make the grade.

An airplane won't take you to the local food store either. Oh and only a few airplanes are sold each year. You are a buffoon.

EVs are over 1% of the total market.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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2 hours ago, nsdp said:

They take me to my doctor 7 miles away.   That goes past three grocery stores, 4 pharmcies, 1 auto dealer and 4 strip centers.   You just want to bend the rules so you win.

You can keep your golf cart, I want a real car.

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2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

HaHa, what a buffoon you are. Very few of those vehicles are purchased every year either new or used, Compared to light duty vehicles they are little more than a rounding error. EVs are over 1% of the total market. If you disagree then post the numbers to prove it. But of course you aren't capable of doing that.

Electric makes up 64% of the North American lift truck market, ITA data shows. https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/electric-forklifts-material-handling-warehouse/606823/

 

The Light Electric Vehicle Association projects that the US imported approximately 790,000 e-bikes in 2021. That’s a significant increase over the nearly 450,000 e-bikes imported in 2020

Light Electric Vehicle Association predicts that more than 1 million e-bikes will be sold in the U.S. this year,

Okay, ride your bike, and carry a good umbrella, Jay.

You are the one claiming that the stats show more than 1%, so it is up to you to show us the numbers. I have already shown you that your reported numbers are wrong.

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31 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

An airplane won't take you to the local food store either. Oh and only a few airplanes are sold each year. You are a buffoon.

EVs are over 1% of the total market.

Airplanes are a major draw on oil based fuels. And will remain so.

And add up the mileage per passenger airplanes fly, that is a lot of travel.

And sales values.  An airplane costs more than a bicycle.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Ecocharger

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On 5/25/2022 at 12:49 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

I updated my calculation and the retirement rate is actually 6.4% of the vehicle market in the US.

In 2020 the total number of registered light duty vehicles ,which includes pickups, in the US actually decreased, that means your total market didn't grow, it shrunk:

The total decrease from 2019 to 2020 of light duty vehicles which includes pickups was 700K.

https://www.bts.gov/content/number-us-aircraft-vehicles-vessels-and-other-conveyances

In 2019 LDV new sales were 17.4M.

In 2020 LDV new sales were 16.8M 

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TOTALSA#0

That means the number of vehicles retired in 2020 was 17.5M which is a retirement rate of 6.9%.

 

I was curious so I went ahead and calculated the retirement rate for four years from 2017 to 2020 which is the most recent data on total registered LDV. Average retirement rate of 6.4% per year.

 

Jay, you did not look at the used market  here...just what are you babbling on about?

You have to include both new and used to get a number for the entire market.

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1 minute ago, Ecocharger said:

Okay, ride your bike, and carry a good umbrella, Jay.

You are the one claiming that the stats show more than 1%, so it is up to you to show us the numbers. I have already shown you that your reported numbers are wrong.

No you haven't shown anything. You haven't posted a single number. I have posted the numbers to show that EVs make up over 1% of the total market. All you've done is talk out your arse.

 

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1 minute ago, Ecocharger said:

Jay, you did not look at the used market  here...just what are you babbling on about?

You have to include both new and used to get a number for the entire market.

The total light duty registered vehicle number is the entire used car inventory.

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2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

No you haven't shown anything. You haven't posted a single number. I have posted the numbers to show that EVs make up over 1% of the total market. All you've done is talk out your arse.

 

Jay, stop emitting nonsense and show us the total market numbers for vehicles including used vehicles. You have not done that above. The percentage for EV still is below 1% of the total vehicle market.

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1 minute ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The total light duty registered vehicle number is the entire used car inventory.

We are not talking inventory numbers, but percentage of vehicles SOLD, as in SELL. 

Try and wrap your mind around that.

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

Jay, stop emitting nonsense and show us the total market numbers for vehicles including used vehicles. You have not done that above. The percentage for EV still is below 1% of the total vehicle market.

 

Cox Automotive envisions U.S. used-vehicle sales to total 39.3 million for 2022

New-vehicle sales last quarter Q1 came in at 3.3 million. Annualized at 13.2 million.

Total 2022 LDV new and used market of 52.5 million.

Add in all your airplanes and big trucks, new and used, and at most the number increases by 5 million and that is generous so 57.5 million.

Americans bought about 208,000 electric vehicles (including plug-in hybrids) in the first quarter of the year.  Annualized at 832K.

2022 PEV market share of the total Ecochump market is running at 1.5%

 

 

Edited May 27, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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4 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

You can keep your golf cart, I want a real car.

I have all my stuff delivered. It’s a great life style feature. Infrastructure for sales is on its way out. Delivery from hubs is in. 

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11 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

 

Cox Automotive envisions U.S. used-vehicle sales to total 39.3 million for 2022

New-vehicle sales last quarter Q1 came in at 3.3 million. Annualized at 13.2 million.

Total 2022 LDV new and used market of 52.5 million.

Add in all your airplanes and big trucks, new and used, and at most the number increases by 5 million and that is generous so 57.5 million.

Americans bought about 208,000 electric vehicles (including plug-in hybrids) in the first quarter of the year.  Annualized at 832K.

2022 PEV market share of the total Ecochump market is running at 1.5%

 

 

Jay, a transport truck, a train engine, an airplane are all long-distance haulers with enormous passenger/freight miles and gigantic purchase price tags. In terms of dollars spent and passenger/freight volumes, the electric short-term contribution is not even on the charts.

You are talking marginal toy-rides.

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The demand for oil and gasoline is ramping up as people plan to do some serious driving.

Refining capacity has been damaged by the misguided climate policies of the current administration.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Memorial-Day-Gasoline-Prices-Are-At-An-All-Time-High.html

"Some 1 million bpd of refinery capacity in America has been shut permanently since the start of the pandemic, as refiners have opted to either close losing facilities or convert some of them into biofuel production sites.

In the United States, operable refinery capacity was at just over 18 million bpd in 2021, the lowest since 2015, per EIA data. 

Per EIA’s update on Friday, gross inputs into refineries are only slightly above the five-year average even though refinery utilization is at the top of the five-year range. This indicates that refineries may be running closer to maximum capacity utilization than gross inputs alone would indicate. Moreover, the faster increase in gasoline demand compared with production has led to inventories draws, with U.S. gasoline inventories now 8% below the five-year average for this time of year, the EIA noted.

U.S. gasoline prices have been setting daily records for most of May, although prices inched down on May 27 from the record high of $4.600 on May 26, per AAA data.

“Rising prices are not deterring travel’s resurgence this Memorial Day weekend, with travel volumes expected to reach 92% of pre-pandemic levels in 2019,” AAA said in a forecast. More than 39 million people are expected to travel 50 miles or more from home during the 2022 Memorial Day holiday weekend—3 million more than 2021, according to the estimate.  ""

Edited May 27, 2022 by Ecocharger

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7 hours ago, Boat said:

I have all my stuff delivered. It’s a great life style feature. Infrastructure for sales is on its way out. Delivery from hubs is in. 

You need an ICE delivery truck to handle your deliveries, which adds to the fleet of ICE vehicles. Thanks.

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11 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

 

Cox Automotive envisions U.S. used-vehicle sales to total 39.3 million for 2022

New-vehicle sales last quarter Q1 came in at 3.3 million. Annualized at 13.2 million.

Total 2022 LDV new and used market of 52.5 million.

Add in all your airplanes and big trucks, new and used, and at most the number increases by 5 million and that is generous so 57.5 million.

Americans bought about 208,000 electric vehicles (including plug-in hybrids) in the first quarter of the year.  Annualized at 832K.

2022 PEV market share of the total Ecochump market is running at 1.5%

 

 

No, total vehicle and transport engines using oil and gasoline includes trucks, trains, buses, airplanes, boats.......that number above is well below 1%.

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

No, total vehicle and transport engines using oil and gasoline includes trucks, trains, buses, airplanes, boats.......that number above is well below 1%.

Transactions of all trucks, trains, buses, airplanes and boats in the US are 5 million per year including new and used. That number is included in my analysis.

EVs are 1.5% of the total Ecochump market.

Ecochump market = all LDV, trucks, trains, buses, airplanes and boats transacted in the US both new and used.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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19 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

So Ford sales of ICE cars fell off a cliff last August. We know you are safe from zombies.

The low availability of vehicles, including EVs, has been driven in part by supply chain problems — most notably a shortage of semiconductor chips since early 2021 — that have led automakers to idle plants, leaving fewer cars and trucks available for consumers.

Cox Automotive reports the supply of all new vehicles at the end of April was down 40% from the same period a year earlier to 1.13 million unsold cars and trucks. That's about 800,000 vehicles below supply in April 2021 and 2.2 million below 2020.

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

The low availability of vehicles, including EVs, has been driven in part by supply chain problems — most notably a shortage of semiconductor chips since early 2021 — that have led automakers to idle plants, leaving fewer cars and trucks available for consumers.

Cox Automotive reports the supply of all new vehicles at the end of April was down 40% from the same period a year earlier to 1.13 million unsold cars and trucks. That's about 800,000 vehicles below supply in April 2021 and 2.2 million below 2020.

 

 

Yes and what of it? EV sales have increased during this period. Only ICE sales have decreased.

A total of 71,496 plug-in vehicles (55,449 BEVs and 16,047 PHEVs) were sold during April 2022 in the United States, up 37.1% from the sales in April 2021. 

Edited May 27, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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23 hours ago, nsdp said:

They take me to my doctor 7 miles away.   That goes past three grocery stores, 4 pharmcies, 1 auto dealer and 4 strip centers.   You just want to bend the rules so you win.

Many people, like my brother, live in areas like nsdp. IMHO that is great, if your traffic is safe. I don't think his is. It is almost as bad as riding your bike or a moped. I would not do it. I have seen too many people have serious road rash or worse when trying to compete with cars. That is just me though. If you feel lucky, that is your choice. There are a lot of bad and impaired drivers out there. 

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44 minutes ago, Ron Wagner said:

Many people, like my brother, live in areas like nsdp. IMHO that is great, if your traffic is safe. I don't think his is. It is almost as bad as riding your bike or a moped. I would not do it. I have seen too many people have serious road rash or worse when trying to compete with cars. That is just me though. If you feel lucky, that is your choice. There are a lot of bad and impaired drivers out there. 

Why? Those golf carts and neighborhood vehicles are faster than your Mirage.

Edited May 28, 2022 by Jay McKinsey