GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

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4 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

EV sales just keep skyrocketing and ICE sales keep crashing. And it is more than 10% of new car sales which means it is more than 1% of total vehicle market sales value.

Less than 1% of vehicle market value, and will still be there going forward....nothing to get excited about.

And with Lithium prices up 500% the cost of inputs into EVs will soon be prohibitive.

Edited June 10, 2022 by Ecocharger

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4 hours ago, Polyphia said:

Wait, no 

"How is that fossil fuel car of yours doing? Still putt-putting along with huge emissions?"

or

"Do you enjoy your current fossil fuel vehicle?"

or

"And thanks for driving your fossil fuel vehicle and adding to the hot demand for oil and gasoline."

or

"I love it when you tank up your fossil fuel vehicle....thank you."

or

"Keep filling up your gas tank and driving your fossil fuel car"?

Are you still driving that ICE fossil fuel vehicle? Typical self-contradictory behavior for the Green Brigade.

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13 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Are you still driving that ICE fossil fuel vehicle? Typical self-contradictory behavior for the Green Brigade.

Phew--all is right with the world now.

And I drive a hybrid. Once obstructionists like you are out of the way, I will be driving an EV and am very much looking forward to it.  

 

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On 6/9/2022 at 9:32 PM, Eyes Wide Open said:

Oh grasshopper have you already forgotten two impeachments. All centered around the Biden tribe. Turns out it was all true, in fact the fbi lied and denied the laptops existence.  Today we know it was reality. Today we know the Russian hoax was a hoax.

How this ends I do not know, but it will end badly.

Yes, he was impeached twice - what a legacy of failure. You think that can / will be reversed?  Please say so! 

Poorly, but for whom?  In this case for trump and the cult.  Watch and get a big plate ready for all your crows.

You are my favourite... so much endurance in the face of always being wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GS2uybciaU&t=203s

 

Edited June 11, 2022 by TailingsPond

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The 330-ton prototype is called Kairyu, a word that translates more or less into 'ocean current'. Its structure consists of a 20 meter (66 foot) long fuselage flanked by a pair of similar-sized cylinders, each housing a power generation system attached to an 11 meter long turbine blade.

(IHI Corp./NEDO)

When tethered to the ocean floor by an anchor line and power cables, the device can orient itself to find the most efficient position to generate power from the push of a deep-water current, and channel it into a grid.

Japan is a country heavily reliant on importing fossil fuels to generate a significant amount of its power. With public sentiment towards nuclear power souring in the wake of the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster, Japan is motivated to use its technological prowess to take advantage of renewable energy sources.

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18 hours ago, Polyphia said:

Phew--all is right with the world now.

And I drive a hybrid. Once obstructionists like you are out of the way, I will be driving an EV and am very much looking forward to it.  

 

Hybrid? As in gasoline?  That is destroying the planet!

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4 hours ago, Boat said:

The 330-ton prototype is called Kairyu, a word that translates more or less into 'ocean current'. Its structure consists of a 20 meter (66 foot) long fuselage flanked by a pair of similar-sized cylinders, each housing a power generation system attached to an 11 meter long turbine blade.

(IHI Corp./NEDO)

When tethered to the ocean floor by an anchor line and power cables, the device can orient itself to find the most efficient position to generate power from the push of a deep-water current, and channel it into a grid.

Japan is a country heavily reliant on importing fossil fuels to generate a significant amount of its power. With public sentiment towards nuclear power souring in the wake of the 2011 Fukushima nuclear disaster, Japan is motivated to use its technological prowess to take advantage of renewable energy sources.

"Is motivated"....lots of  people are motivated. I am motivated to vacation in Europe this year.

Motivation and reality do not always coincide.

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Biden & Co. are in need of a reality check on the oil industry, a sector which has always punched above its weight in paying taxes.

Somebody should educate the Prez.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Biden-Tells-Exxon-To-Start-Paying-Its-Taxes.html

"A Biden statement attempting to address May inflation data contained harsh words—both for the oil industry as a whole and Exxon specifically.

"Why aren't they drilling? Because they make more money not producing more oil," he said. "Exxon, start investing and start paying your taxes."

The President also said that they would make sure everyone knew how much Exxon was profiting. "Exxon made more money than God last year."

To be precise, Exxon's net profit was $23 billion in 2021, making up for the $22.4 billion loss the year prior. Exxon's 2021 profit came in behind Apple, Berkshire Hathaway, Alphabet, Microsoft, JP Morgan Chase, Meta Platforms, Amazon, and Bank of America—and barely eeked out a win over the Federal National Mortgage Association, Fannie Mae.

On the issue of taxes, Exxon’s income taxes for Q1 2022 alone were $2.8 billion dollars, with full year 2021 income taxes at $7.6 billion, according to Macrotrends and CSI Market."

Edited June 11, 2022 by Ecocharger

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30 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Hybrid? As in gasoline?  That is destroying the planet!

Get out of the way, and I will be driving an EV.

How much do you invest in FF (e.g., stocks)?

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2 hours ago, Polyphia said:

Get out of the way, and I will be driving an EV.

How much do you invest in FF (e.g., stocks)?

Why would any rational person invest in an EV? That would be very foolish, given the recent trends.

You will never drive an EV because it makes no sense.

Every time you fill your gas tank, it is good for me, and for the planet.

I have invested in a first rate fossil fuel vehicle.

Edited June 11, 2022 by Ecocharger

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On 6/9/2022 at 3:23 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

The notion that excess electricity is a real problem is absurd. They are going to be happy to make hydrogen with it, put it in a battery or just curtail it. 

Those batteries will never materialize.

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On 6/9/2022 at 10:19 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

EV sales just keep skyrocketing and ICE sales keep crashing. And it is more than 10% of new car sales which means it is more than 1% of total vehicle market sales value.

No, it is less than 1% of vehicle market value. That is nothing to get excited about.

Lithium prices are up 500% in one year....a roadblock for battery power everywhere.

Edited June 11, 2022 by Ecocharger

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5 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

No, it is less than 1% of vehicle market value. That is nothing to get excited about.

Lithium prices are up 500% in one year....a roadblock for battery power everywhere.

Definitely more than 1%. 

Coal is up 500% and you don't think that is a road block. 

Edited June 11, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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7 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Hybrid? As in gasoline?  That is destroying the planet!

Let me woke you. Pollution and climate change kill humans, cause massive disruption with unneeded pain and suffering. The planet doesn't care. It’s not human. Like Putin, XI and Trump pain and suffering can be a shrewd move. Of course their psychopaths. You may be one also, or a bot with a poor algorithm. 

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5 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Those batteries will never materialize.

They are being built right now.

UK to build huge battery storage to slash £1bn 'waste of energy and money'

A MAJOR British firm is set to build one of Europe's largest battery storage facilities, which is set to dramatically reduce the £1billion worth of energy from going to waste every year.

Kona Energy, a UK based company that is focused on developing grid-scale battery energy storage projects, has been granted planning approval to build one of Europe’s largest battery storage facilities. The firm will build a 200MW battery storage facility in Heysham, Lancashire, that is set to save 45,000 tonnes of CO2 per annum, which is the equivalent of taking 15,000 cars off the road per year.

Mr Willis warned that since most powerful wind farms are far away from busy centres like London or Manchester, the UK is forced to turn them off during times of high supply to prevent an overload of the National Grid.

To solve this wastage of energy, Kona has decided to build its facility at the landing point of six offshore wind farms, including one of the world’s largest, the Walney wind farm.

 

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14 minutes ago, Boat said:

Let me woke you. Pollution and climate change kill humans, cause massive disruption with unneeded pain and suffering. The planet doesn't care. It’s not human. Like Putin, XI and Trump pain and suffering can be a shrewd move. Of course their psychopaths. You may be one also, or a bot with a poor algorithm. 

Part of woken concept is to ascend. Perhaps it is time for your " Accession" Just a friendly reminder. 

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On 6/5/2022 at 10:49 PM, Ecocharger said:

World wide coal is on a roll, ramping up to new heights in many countries.

Fossil fuels are 85% of world energy supply.

Fossil fuels are on a roll.

I keep waiting for the Mongolian Coal massive rise in consumption in Chine you promised. 
As a side note I am close to declaring Peak oil happened in 2019. My projection is 2027 but I think oil may never set another high in production. Covid and Putin have changed demand permanently. The question is the speed of production of electric vehicles. A few million more electric cars vrs can they end the war and reverse gasoline prices. Who does good math out there.

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10 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

They are being built right now.

UK to build huge battery storage to slash £1bn 'waste of energy and money'

A MAJOR British firm is set to build one of Europe's largest battery storage facilities, which is set to dramatically reduce the £1billion worth of energy from going to waste every year.

 

Perhaps that omission of fact would be a first for your Green Revolution. Then there is the grid itself.the UK will pay a generational price on a unpredictable source of power generation.

 

Edited June 11, 2022 by Eyes Wide Open

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China's NEV sales up 105% in May YoY

23% market share.

 

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27 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Perhaps that omission of fact would be a first for your Green Revolution. Then there is the grid itself.the UK will pay a generational price on a unpredictable source of power generation.

 

What omission? Batteries make the power generation predictable. That is the whole point. The UK is set to make a fortune with all their wind power.

UK is down to only 42% fossil fuel electricity.

Edited June 11, 2022 by Jay McKinsey

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22 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Perhaps that omission of fact would be a first for your Green Revolution. Then there is the grid itself.the UK will pay a generational price on a unpredictable source of power generation.

 

Yes, they are paying the price for Putins nat gas. I bet they didn’t factor in the costs of war. Talk about intermittency, hard to burn Russian gas and oil now, eh?

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6 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Those batteries will never materialize.

“Tip of the iceberg’'

 

the death of coal one battery at a time.....

Enjoy it is happening now

 

Oregon utility powers up nation’s first large-scale wind, solar and battery facility

 

By Monica Samayoa (OPB)

June 7, 2022 6 a.m. Updated: June 8, 2022 1:56 p.m.

Portland General Electric and a partner developer are bringing batteries into the clean energy mix to accelerate the transition from fossil fuels.

 

Nestled in the hills of Morrow County, hundreds of solar panels and wind turbines are generating a product that will soon be in high demand around the state — clean electric energy.

But storing large amounts of renewable energy has proven challenging. Wind and solar only generate power when the sun is shining or the wind is blowing. Otherwise, fossil fuels kick back in. Now, one major utility in Oregon is trying to produce energy 24/7 with a boost from a critical component — batteries.

Solar panels and wind turbines work to create clean electric power, at Wheatridge Renewable Energy Facility, May 24, 2022. Portland General Electric partnered with NextEra Energy Resources to build a first-of-its-kind facility that will use an innovative battery technology that supporters are calling a “game changer” for Oregon’s renewable energy transition.

Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB

The solar component of the Wheatridge Renewable Energy Facility was completed in March 2022.

Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB

Energy collected by solar panels produces direct current voltage. That's passed through an inverter and converted to alternating current. From there it's stored on batteries located on site.

Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB

The inverter, right, converts power generated by solar panels to alternating current, which is then stored on batteries (left) to use when needed.

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At the facility, solar panels and wind turbines work to create clean electric power which can be stored in batteries, lower left.

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Deer run through a field beneath the wind turbines, May 24, 2022.

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Jana Lehn, NextEra’s PV Solar Field Technician, is one of the first technicians cross-trained in all three renewable technologies. “From our inverter we can go out to the grid or we can go and charge our batteries,” she said. “Then at night when we don't have any sun to produce power, we can push power from our batteries through our inverter out to the grid.”

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Solar panels and wind turbines work to create clean electric power at Wheatridge Renewable Energy Facility, May 24, 2022.

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The solar component of the Wheatridge Renewable Energy Facility was completed in March 2022.

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A sprayer drives through a field with wind turbines dotting the landscape, May 24, 2022. The wind turbines are located on land leased from local landowners.

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“I think you're going to see more of these types of facilities in the future,” said Kristen Sheeran, Portland General Electric’s director of sustainability strategy, on a recent tour. “We're still in the early years of battery storage technology development.”

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Two types of turbines used to harness the wind's energy — a wind-powered water pump windmill, center, along with today's modern wind turbines.

Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB

Turbines are approximately 270 feet from the ground to the middle of the hub between the three blades.

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Wind turbines work to create clean electric power, at Wheatridge Renewable Energy Facility, May 24, 2022.

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The 120 GE turbines are capable of producing 300 megawatts. The wind component of the facility began operating in late 2020.

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Energy produced by wind turbines and solar panels utilize some of the existing transmission lines from the former Boardman Coal Plant, top left.

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The substation at Wheatridge Renewable Energy Facility.

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Wind turbines are located on land leased from local landowners who can continue to utilize the land for agricultural purposes.

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Turbines create no air or water pollution.

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David Lawlor, NextEra’s director of development for the Pacific Northwest, said as battery technology advances, the facility will be able to handle more storage. Right now, there are 21 large and small battery containers at the facility.

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Portland General Electric partnered with NextEra Energy Resources to build a first-of-its-kind facility that will use an innovative battery technology that supporters are calling a “game changer” for Oregon’s renewable energy transition. The batteries allow the Lexington facility to capture and store electricity even when there’s no sun or wind available.

 

The Wheatridge facility's general location is marked in red on this map.

Courtesy state of Oregon

“I think you’re going to see more of these types of facilities in the future,” said Kristen Sheeran, PGE’s director of sustainability strategy, on a recent tour. “We’re still in the early years of battery storage technology development.”

The Wheatridge Renewable Energy Facility is about 30 miles from the utility’s now-shuttered Boardman coal plant and uses some of the same transmission lines. It started operating in March and generates up to 350 megawatts of clean energy — enough to power about 100,000 homes. The batteries store 30 megawatts, or enough to power the city of Tigard for four hours.

Powering up

PGE’s push for clean energy is driven in large part by House Bill 2021. It’s one of the nation’s most ambitious climate plans and was signed into law in 2021 by Gov. Kate Brown. The law requires utilities like PGE and Pacific Power to reduce carbon emissions by 100% by 2040.

 

Power generated by solar panels passes through an inverter, right, is converted to alternating current, and then carried to batteries, left, housed on site.

Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB

Sheeran said battery storage will help them get there by improving reliability and creating storage that allows the facility to function 24/7.

“Sites like this are fitting into sort of a larger grid network of providing reliable, renewable power that utilities across the West are increasingly drawing on,” Sheeran said.

David Lawlor is NextEra’s director of development for the Pacific Northwest. NextEra one of the world’s largest generators of wind and solar energy and a leader in integrated battery storage systems.

He said as battery technology advances, the facility will be able to handle more storage. Right now, there are 21 large and small battery containers at the facility.

“One of the great things about having battery storage integrated into the other two technologies, is it’s already engineered and built for augmentation,” Lawlor said. “So these containers can take more batteries and as the batteries become a little less efficient, we add more batteries to keep the capacity.”

 

Energy collected by solar panels, after being converted to the appropriate voltage, is able to charge and be stored in batteries located on site.

Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB

Jana Lehn, NextEra’s PV Solar Field Technician, is one of the first technicians cross-trained in all three renewable technologies. She said her role at Wheatridge is to make sure the facility and batteries are working properly and train other technicians.

So far, only solar panels generate enough energy to charge the batteries. Lehn said the energy collected by solar panels produces direct current or DC voltage similar to car or cell phone batteries. The DC voltage then goes to an inverter, or the central point of where all the power goes and changes into alternating current or AC voltage.

“It does its little magic, it turns it to AC voltage, which that’s what our transmission lines carry,” she said. “Your AC voltage is going to be the plug on your wall at your home.”

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This process helps the energy collected become “clean energy” and it, in turn, creates an easier flow to power homes.

“From our inverter, we can go out to the grid or we can go and charge our batteries,” she said. “Then at night when we don’t have any sun to produce power, we can push power from our batteries through our inverter out to the grid.”

‘You need flexibility’

Bob Jenks, executive director of the Oregon Citizens Utility Board, said the Wheatridge facility represents a step in the right direction for Oregon’s clean electricity efforts. It also removes the dependence on only one source of clean energy.

“You need diversity of renewable resources,” he said. “You need flexibility with them and the battery here is providing that flexibility.”

Jenks said battery storage is becoming increasingly important in the clean energy transition, as utilities figure out ways to move power from one time of the day to another. Adding batteries to the mix will change when, where, and how clean energy is created and stored across the state.

 

The solar component of the Wheatridge Renewable Energy Facility was completed in March 2022 and spans 300 acres.

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“That comes in real valuable because solar stops producing in late afternoon, early evening — but that’s when people get home from work and tend to turn on their air conditioning,” Jenks said.

Jenks cautioned that there could be some downsides to the technology, and questioned the ability of batteries to manage the power load and travel long distances. For example, he said PGE’s decision to locate the batteries at the facility could mean that by the time the energy makes it to the Willamette Valley, some of its power has been lost.

He also said storage capacity can decline over time as the battery’s life capacity depletes. Weather is another variable that can affect how batteries store energy.

“Anyone who owns an electric vehicle knows that in the winter you don’t get the same amount of miles as you get in in the summer,” he said. “Cold weather has negative effects on the ability to charge and maintain power.”

But overall, Jenks said the facility is a smart investment and will likely be good for ratepayers.

“This is a good example of how the technologies are there,” he said “And in Oregon, there’s the political will to require our utilities to use that technology.”

“Tip of the iceberg’'

Adam Schultz, the Oregon Department of Energy’s electricity and markets policy group lead, said he expects more projects to follow Wheatridge’s lead by combining different technologies like wind, solar, hydropower and batteries to generate and store more clean energy. But that is also going to prompt a change in the current power system grid.

 

Energy produced by wind turbines and solar panels utilize some of the existing transmission lines from the former Boardman Coal Plant, top left.

Kristyna Wentz-Graff / OPB

“If you’re going to try to generate enough clean megawatt hours to displace all the fossil fuels on the system, you’re going to need to move those megawatt hours around to be available 24/7,” he said. “This is sort of what we expect to see in the future.”

Schultz said Oregon’s electric system was built for transporting power when needed rather than collecting it. He said it doesn’t take a lot of storage to begin to have an impact on the power grid, and facilities like Wheatridge will help other utilities think differently about storage and get clean energy on the power grid.

Storage can also save ratepayers money during peak hours, Schultz said. Especially in the summer months when air conditioning units are running blast.

“So that’s sort of the game-changer of storage at a very broad scale,” he said. “Sort of the tip of the iceberg there of what’s coming.”

As battery storage becomes more common, Schultz said it’s hard to overstate the role it will place in the next 40 years and he expects states like Oregon will take a more streamlined approach to clean energy and share resources with other states.

Editor’s note: This story has been updated to reflect that NextEra Energy Resources co-owns the facility with PGE.

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6 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Those batteries will never materialize.

the death of coal one battery at a time........Enjoy

 

Vistra Brings Texas' Largest Battery Energy Storage System Online

DeCordova Energy Storage Facility provides 260 megawatts of dispatchable, instant-start, emission-free power; expands company's portfolio of zero-carbon generation facilities and reliability in ERCOT

MEDIA KIT, including photos and infographics, is available.

IRVING, Texas, May 23, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- Vistra (NYSE: VST) today announced that its DeCordova Energy Storage Facility in Granbury, Texas, is online and storing and releasing electricity to the ERCOT grid in time for another hot Texas summer. The 260-megawatt/260 megawatt-hour battery energy storage project is the largest of its kind in the Lone Star State.

First announced in September 2020, DeCordova is the second of seven new zero-carbon projects Vistra is bringing online in Texas over the next few years as part of its growing Vistra Zero portfolio. These new power generation facilities represent a nearly $1 billion capital investment by the company within the Texas ERCOT market.

"As our fleet and electric grids across the country transition to cleaner generation, we haven't lost sight of our essential role in providing reliable, affordable electricity. The battery storage technology at DeCordova accomplishes those objectives – providing instantaneous-start, dispatchable generation to help balance the intermittency of renewable energy as the electric grid transitions to low-to-zero-carbon resources," said Curt Morgan, CEO of Vistra. "No doubt, a project of this size and an overall investment this ambitious solidifies Vistra's position as a market leader in investing in, owning, and operating emission-free power generation in Texas and beyond while balancing affordability and reliability."

Jim Burke, Vistra president and chief financial officer, added, "DeCordova offers a unique value proposition – not only can this battery system provide instantaneous full power to the grid with the flip of a switch, but it is also co-located on the same site as our quick-start DeCordova natural gas-fueled power plant. This pairing means we essentially have a large, one-hour battery system with dispatchable, reliable generation, leading to continuity of operation and resiliency of the grid. In addition, these gas-fueled generation units have seven days of diesel backup in the event of any disruption of natural gas supplies, which is yet another example of the resiliency aspect of the Decordova site."

Comprised of more than 3,000 individual battery modules, DeCordova Energy Storage Facility can store enough electricity to power approximately 130,000 average Texas residences during normal grid conditions. The batteries capture excess electricity from the grid, primarily overnight during high wind-output hours, and can release the power when customer demand is highest.

DeCordova Energy Storage Facility utilizes lithium-ion technology housed in containers that, in addition to project inverters, were supplied by Sungrow, the project integrator. Mortenson provided engineering and construction expertise. Project construction began in June 2021 and was finished in less than a year.

Along with DeCordova and Brightside Solar Facility, Vistra is also completing the 108-MW Emerald Grove Solar Facility in Crane County ahead of summer. Together with its existing emission-free generation assets, including the most efficient nuclear plant in the country – Comanche Peak Nuclear Power Plant, these projects bring the company's zero-carbon Vistra Zero portfolio to nearly 3,300 MW online, with plans to grow to more than 7,300 MW by 2026.

For more information on Vistra Zero, click here.

About Vistra
Vistra (NYSE: VST) is a leading Fortune 275 integrated retail electricity and power generation company based in Irving, Texas, providing essential resources for customers, commerce, and communities. Vistra combines an innovative, customer-centric approach to retail with safe, reliable, diverse, and efficient power generation. The company brings its products and services to market in 20 states and the District of Columbia, including six of the seven competitive wholesale markets in the U.S. and markets in Canada and Japan, as well. Serving nearly 4.3 million residential, commercial, and industrial retail customers with electricity and natural gas, Vistra is one of the largest competitive electricity providers in the country and offers over 50 renewable energy plans. The company is also the largest competitive power generator in the U.S., with a capacity of approximately 39,000 megawatts powered by a diverse portfolio, including natural gas, nuclear, coal, solar, and battery energy storage facilities. In addition, Vistra is a large purchaser of wind power. The company owns and operates the 400-MW/1,600-MWh battery energy storage system in Moss Landing, California, the largest of its kind in the world. Vistra is guided by four core principles: we do business the right way, we work as a team, we compete to win, and we care about our stakeholders, including our customers, our communities where we work and live, our employees, and our investors. Learn more about our environmental, social, and governance efforts and read the company's sustainability report at https://www.vistracorp.com/sustainability/.

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17 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Perhaps that omission of fact would be a first for your Green Revolution. Then there is the grid itself.the UK will pay a generational price on a unpredictable source of power generation.

 

Do not confuse intermittent with unpredictable. 

I can predict it will get dark at night.

Edited June 12, 2022 by TailingsPond

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Apparently solar panels can be made to produce a small amount of power during the night.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2314957-solar-panels-that-work-at-night-produce-enough-power-to-charge-a-phone/