Boat + 1,315 RG June 18, 2022 37 minutes ago, TailingsPond said: What a load of racist garbage. Do you think Americans are against making bucks? FYI "Not worrying about global warming" is popular among many members here. Not me ol pond. Even though I do focus on clean air and water more because 85% of Americans live in cities. I would give up money for the environment. Call me anti Putin. Anti foreign FF to boot. Save a lung, save a life. Go electric when shopping, hope it’s AI and no more driving. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,315 RG June 18, 2022 3 hours ago, notsonice said: Yeah a storage tank ??? who would of thought of storing water and always having a weeks supply on hand..... and having stock tanks for their livestock......1960's were a real rough time in the boondocks.......he he he You can put a storage tank in the ocean. Pump out the water when you need electricity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,315 RG June 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: I do understand that, how many Chinese accounts would be quite interesting...Iran....or perhaps Russian But Dart is all inclusive.. You guys are dangerous and crazy. No profile. You would do a Coup and support pillow head who was discontinued by WallMart. You might be a Putin bot. No matter what, it’s a bizarre world view. Pollution loving, cathedral war loving wanna be tank commanders. It’s a twisted world we live in. I am proud to be woke and battle the dark forces. We need some light round here these parts. We need to fill some drilled gas leaks and stop fearing nat gas weatherization every time a storm appears or a Putin goes to war. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 642 June 18, 2022 21 minutes ago, Boat said: Not me ol pond. Even though I do focus on clean air and water more because 85% of Americans live in cities. I would give up money for the environment. Call me anti Putin. Anti foreign FF to boot. Save a lung, save a life. Go electric when shopping, hope it’s AI and no more driving. Boat, we discussed this before. Most Americans live in suburbs that range from borderline rural to suburbs of big cities. They are not cities in the European sense of dense populations of apartments. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/suburb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 460 GE June 18, 2022 42 minutes ago, Boat said: Save a lung, save a life. +1 Preach it! Admission to hospital is tightly correlated with air quality (PM2.5). It's not like the smog kills somebody "someday" - it kills people today. Results: The results showed that each 10 μg/m3 increase in previous-day PM2.5 concentration was associated with a risk increase of 0.44% (95%CI: 0.40%, 0.47%) for cardiovascular disease, 0.66% (95%CI: 0.58%, 0.73%) for angina pectoris, 0.53% (95%CI: 0.39%, 0.66%) for chronic ischemic heart disease, 0.48% (95%CI: 0.34%, 0.63%) for myocardial infarction, 0.44% (95%CI: 0.29%, 0.60%) for hypertensive heart disease and 0.40% (95%CI: 0.27%, 0.52%) for ischemic stroke. There were 1938 PM2.5 attributed additional hospital admissions, resulting in 21,668 additional days in hospital, along with 5527.12 and 1947.04 ten-thousand of additional total hospital cost and self-afforded cost, respectively. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,374 DL June 18, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: https://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-raises-prices-amid-surging-costs-11655388716?mod=tech_lead_pos3 Tesla Raises Prices Amid Surging Costs Prices on some of company’s electric cars are going up by as much as $6,000 Between 10% and 15% of Tesla’s cost structure is exposed to swings in raw-materials prices, the auto maker’s finance chief said in April.PHOTO: MARK HERTZBERG/ZUMA PRESS By Will Feuer Follow Updated June 16, 2022 3:53 pm ET SAVE PRINT TEXT Listen to article Length(4 minutes) Queue Tesla Inc. TSLA 1.72%▲ has raised the prices on some of its cars by as much as $6,000, as the electric-car maker grapples with surging costs along its supply chain. The increase comes as the car industry faces rapidly rising costs on labor, transportation, raw materials and more. It also comes shortly after Tesla Chief Executive Elon Musk said he plans to cut 10% of its salaried workforce following a hiring spree that saw the company’s head count swell 45% in one year alone. The company last raised prices in March, soon after Mr. Musk warned in a tweet that Tesla and his Space Exploration Technologies Corp., or SpaceX, “are seeing significant recent inflation pressure in raw materials & logistics.” The latest price increase applies to certain cars across Tesla’s entire lineup. Its Model 3 long-range car is now going for $57,990, the company’s website showed Thursday, up from its prior price of $55,990. However, the prices of the Model 3 rear-wheel drive and performance cars didn’t change. NEWSLETTER SIGN-UP The 10-Point. A personal, guided tour to the best scoops and stories every day in The Wall Street Journal. PREVIEW SUBSCRIBED Tesla raised the price on its popular Model Y long-range car by $3,000 while the performance version of the car got a $2,000 increase, according to the company’s website. The company lifted the price on its Model S dual motor all-wheel drive by $5,000 and on its Model X dual motor all-wheel drive by $6,000 to $120,990. Representatives for Tesla didn’t respond to a request for comment. Tesla shares were down more than 9% in recent trading at $633.80 amid a broader market downturn. Mr. Musk in April said that prices take into account monthslong wait lists for its cars as well as expectations that costs will continue to rise. “It may seem like maybe we’re being unreasonable about increasing the prices of our vehicles given that we had record profitability this quarter,” Mr. Musk said on the company’s quarterly earnings call. “Our prices of vehicles ordered now are really anticipating supplier and logistics cost growth that we’re aware of and believe will happen over the next six to 12 months.” Mr. Musk added at the time that if the company’s expected cost increases didn’t materialize, Tesla may slightly reduce prices. So now EVs are pricing themselves out of the vehicle market, soon no one will be able to afford to drive an EV due to rapid price increases in lithium. Edited June 18, 2022 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,315 RG June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Ron Wagner said: Boat, we discussed this before. Most Americans live in suburbs that range from borderline rural to suburbs of big cities. They are not cities in the European sense of dense populations of apartments. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/suburb The problem is tailpipe emissions. Houston is only 1.5 million but surrounding it is 5 million people. Take a lot of cars and semis to keep that going. Btw not everybody wants to live in stacked boxes, even if it is more efficient. So suburbs and cars it is. Further out you have one acre and a house. Maybe a horse. Now your doing serious commuting. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,315 RG June 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: So now EVs are pricing themselves out of the vehicle market, soon no one will be able to afford to drive an EV due to rapid price increases in lithium. That’s Eco speak for sold out, come back next year. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 June 18, 2022 5 hours ago, Ecocharger said: So now EVs are pricing themselves out of the vehicle market, soon no one will be able to afford to drive an EV due to rapid price increases in lithium. Funny thing, EV sales just keep going up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,537 June 18, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Funny thing, EV sales just keep going up. Yes and making extraordinary headlines! Odd one gets the sense something is amiss.... GM is slashing prices for the Chevy Bolt amid high demand for electric vehicles 81 The 2023 Bolt EV and Bolt EUV are getting price reductions. Chevy Bolt EV and EUV production will resume on April 4, GM delivers just 457 EVs in Q1 2022 https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/gm-says-chevy-bolt-ev-and-euv-production-will-resume-on-april-4-delivers-just-457-evs-in-q1-2022/#:~:text=in Q1 2022-,Chevy Bolt EV and EUV production will resume on April,457 EVs in Q1 2022&text=General Motors (GM) has announced,EUV on April 4%2C 2022. GM, Ford, Toyota, Stellantis CEOs want EV tax credit cap lifted It would be particularly beneficial to GM and even Tesla https://www.wsj.com/articles/ceos-of-gm-toyota-ford-stellantis-renew-push-to-expand-ev-tax-credit-11655145538 Tesla's stock lost $126 billion in market value the day after Elon Musk struck a deal to buy Twitter for $44 billion https://finance.yahoo.com/news/teslas-stock-plunged-126-billion-035105938.html Edited June 18, 2022 by Eyes Wide Open 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 June 18, 2022 (edited) On 6/17/2022 at 6:04 PM, Ecocharger said: So now EVs are pricing themselves out of the vehicle market, soon no one will be able to afford to drive an EV due to rapid price increases in lithium. 13 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: GM is slashing prices for the Chevy Bolt amid high demand for electric vehicles So which is it guys - Are EVs too cheap or too expensive? I'm sure Eco will say they are both, like a fool. Meanwhile EV sales just keep going up. Edited June 19, 2022 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron Wagner + 642 June 19, 2022 On 6/17/2022 at 9:06 PM, Boat said: The problem is tailpipe emissions. Houston is only 1.5 million but surrounding it is 5 million people. Take a lot of cars and semis to keep that going. Btw not everybody wants to live in stacked boxes, even if it is more efficient. So suburbs and cars it is. Further out you have one acre and a house. Maybe a horse. Now your doing serious commuting. Aren't you English boat? I live in a city in a residential neighborhood, on an acre, with chickens, giant burr oaks, pines, maples etc. I am four miles from the civic center. The city is only 80,000 but many here have large lots or around an acre. I am retired but can get to and from anywhere here on half a gallon of gas depending on which vehicle I drive. We are surrounded by thousands of acres of farmland with many farm houses. Most of the country is similar and we intend to stay that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,129 June 19, 2022 On 6/11/2022 at 4:03 PM, Boat said: Let me woke you. Pollution and climate change kill humans, cause massive disruption with unneeded pain and suffering. The planet doesn't care. It’s not human. Like Putin, XI and Trump pain and suffering can be a shrewd move. Of course their psychopaths. You may be one also, or a bot with a poor algorithm. Let me woke you, those who use the MOST FF have the LONGEST life expectancy. Ah, boatism.... opposite of reality is how the psychos rock eh 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,537 June 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: So which is it guys - Are EVs too cheap or too expensive? I'm sure Eco will say they are both, like a fool. Meanwhile EV sales just keep going up. You truly wish a reply? Then again you are the type to cut off his own nose. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 June 19, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: You truly wish a reply? Then again you are the type to cut off his own nose. If you had a reply you would have posted it. EV sales continue to increase so I suspect your reply will have something to do with the Arizona audits. How are those going? Find any more votes for Biden and fraud in favor of Trump? Edited June 19, 2022 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,062 DM June 19, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Let me woke you, those who use the MOST FF have the LONGEST life expectancy. Ah, boatism.... opposite of reality is how the psychos rock eh thanks for another one of your braindead comments Qatar is number one if FF use per Capita and yet they do not even make the top 50 for life expectancy... the take away if you live in a country that has a high use of fossil fuels you are not going to live as long as living in a country that uses less fossil fuels the next 9 biggest CO2 emitters per capita number 2 Montenegro does not even make the top 50 for life expectancy 3 Kuwait does not even make the top 50 for life expectancy 4 Trinidad and Tobago does not even make the top 50 for life expectancy 5 United Arab Emirates does not even make the top 50 for life expectancy 6 Oman does not even make the top 50 for life expectancy 7 Canada number 16 of the top 50 for life expectancy...per Foot in the mouth Canadians should be in the top 5 for life expectancy........ 8 Brunei does not even make the top 50 for life expectancy 9 Luxembourg number 20 of the top 50 for life expectancy 10 Bahrain does not even make the top 50 for life expectancy let me wake you up..... Hong Kong #1 for life expectancy and number 40 on Co2 emissions per capita the US #16 for CO2 Emissions per capita number 46 on life expectancy China??? #45 for Co2 emissions per capita and does not even make the top 50 for life expectancy France????? #70 on CO2 Emissions per capita number 14 on life expectancy Japan ???? #2 for life expectancy and number 25 on emissions Italy???? #6 on life expectancy and number 55 on emissions Macao??? number 3 for life expectancy and number 71 on CO2 emissions Spain???? 51 on emission and number 7 for life expectancy # Country Life Expectancy (both sexes) Females Life Expectancy Males Life Expectancy 1 Hong Kong 85.29 88.17 82.38....... 2 Japan 85.03 88.09 81.91 3 Macao 84.68 87.62 81.73 4 Switzerland 84.25 86.02 82.42 5 Singapore 84.07 86.15 82.06 6 Italy 84.01 85.97 81.90 7 Spain 83.99 86.68 81.27 8 Australia 83.94 85.80 82.08 9 Channel Islands 83.60 85.31 81.82 10 Iceland 83.52 84.90 82.15 11 South Korea 83.50 86.42 80.46 12 Israel 83.49 84.91 81.98 13 Sweden 83.33 84.97 81.69 14 France 83.13 85.82 80.32 14 Martinique 83.13 86.10 79.85 15 Malta 83.06 84.68 81.37 16 Canada 82.96 84.74 81.15 17 Norway 82.94 84.78 81.11 18 Ireland 82.81 84.32 81.29 19 New Zealand 82.80 84.38 81.20 19 Greece 82.80 85.08 80.52 20 Luxembourg 82.79 84.76 80.83 21 Netherlands 82.78 84.35 81.20 22 Guadeloupe 82.74 85.94 79.16 23 Portugal 82.65 85.28 79.79 24 Finland 82.48 85.14 79.82 25 Belgium 82.17 84.31 80.00 26 Austria 82.05 84.19 79.88 27 Germany 81.88 84.14 79.62 28 Slovenia 81.85 84.44 79.26 29 United Kingdom 81.77 83.28 80.22 30 Réunion 81.55 84.45 78.52 31 Cyprus 81.51 83.45 79.55 32 Denmark 81.40 83.27 79.54 33 U.S. Virgin Islands 81.17 83.52 78.64 34 Taiwan 81.04 83.64 78.49 35 Costa Rica 80.94 83.39 78.53 36 Chile 80.74 82.80 78.54 36 Guam 80.74 83.98 77.63 37 Qatar 80.73 82.49 79.78 38 Puerto Rico 80.69 83.92 77.27 39 French Guiana 80.53 83.38 77.80 40 Maldives 79.89 81.58 78.53 41 Mayotte 79.85 83.24 76.62 41 Czech Republic (Czechia) 79.85 82.35 77.33 42 Barbados 79.64 80.85 78.36 43 Curaçao 79.41 82.08 76.42 44 Poland 79.27 82.98 75.51 44 Lebanon 79.27 81.17 77.53 45 Cuba 79.18 81.12 77.25 45 Estonia 79.18 83.06 74.98 46 United States 79.11 81.65 76.61 47 Panama 79.10 82.20 76.14 48 Croatia 79.02 82.02 75.95 49 Albania 78.96 80.48 77.48 50 Oman 78.58 80.94 76.90 Edited June 19, 2022 by notsonice 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,129 June 19, 2022 4 hours ago, notsonice said: thanks for another one of your braindead comments Qatar is number one if FF use per Capita and yet they do not even make the top 50 for life expectancy... the take away if you live in a country that has a high use of fossil fuels you are not going to live as long as living in a country that uses less fossil fuels the next 9 biggest CO2 emitters per capita number 2 Montenegro does not even make the top 50 for life expectancy 3 Kuwait does not even make the top 50 for life expectancy 4 Trinidad and Tobago does not even make the top 50 for life expectancy 5 United Arab Emirates does not even make the top 50 for life expectancy 6 Oman does not even make the top 50 for life expectancy 7 Canada number 16 of the top 50 for life expectancy...per Foot in the mouth Canadians should be in the top 5 for life expectancy........ 8 Brunei does not even make the top 50 for life expectancy 9 Luxembourg number 20 of the top 50 for life expectancy 10 Bahrain does not even make the top 50 for life expectancy let me wake you up..... Hong Kong #1 for life expectancy and number 40 on Co2 emissions per capita the US #16 for CO2 Emissions per capita number 46 on life expectancy China??? #45 for Co2 emissions per capita and does not even make the top 50 for life expectancy France????? #70 on CO2 Emissions per capita number 14 on life expectancy Japan ???? #2 for life expectancy and number 25 on emissions Italy???? #6 on life expectancy and number 55 on emissions Macao??? number 3 for life expectancy and number 71 on CO2 emissions Spain???? 51 on emission and number 7 for life expectancy # Country Life Expectancy (both sexes) Females Life Expectancy Males Life Expectancy 1 Hong Kong 85.29 88.17 82.38....... 2 Japan 85.03 88.09 81.91 3 Macao 84.68 87.62 81.73 4 Switzerland 84.25 86.02 82.42 5 Singapore 84.07 86.15 82.06 6 Italy 84.01 85.97 81.90 7 Spain 83.99 86.68 81.27 8 Australia 83.94 85.80 82.08 9 Channel Islands 83.60 85.31 81.82 10 Iceland 83.52 84.90 82.15 11 South Korea 83.50 86.42 80.46 12 Israel 83.49 84.91 81.98 13 Sweden 83.33 84.97 81.69 14 France 83.13 85.82 80.32 14 Martinique 83.13 86.10 79.85 15 Malta 83.06 84.68 81.37 16 Canada 82.96 84.74 81.15 17 Norway 82.94 84.78 81.11 18 Ireland 82.81 84.32 81.29 19 New Zealand 82.80 84.38 81.20 19 Greece 82.80 85.08 80.52 20 Luxembourg 82.79 84.76 80.83 21 Netherlands 82.78 84.35 81.20 22 Guadeloupe 82.74 85.94 79.16 23 Portugal 82.65 85.28 79.79 24 Finland 82.48 85.14 79.82 25 Belgium 82.17 84.31 80.00 26 Austria 82.05 84.19 79.88 27 Germany 81.88 84.14 79.62 28 Slovenia 81.85 84.44 79.26 29 United Kingdom 81.77 83.28 80.22 30 Réunion 81.55 84.45 78.52 31 Cyprus 81.51 83.45 79.55 32 Denmark 81.40 83.27 79.54 33 U.S. Virgin Islands 81.17 83.52 78.64 34 Taiwan 81.04 83.64 78.49 35 Costa Rica 80.94 83.39 78.53 36 Chile 80.74 82.80 78.54 36 Guam 80.74 83.98 77.63 37 Qatar 80.73 82.49 79.78 38 Puerto Rico 80.69 83.92 77.27 39 French Guiana 80.53 83.38 77.80 40 Maldives 79.89 81.58 78.53 41 Mayotte 79.85 83.24 76.62 41 Czech Republic (Czechia) 79.85 82.35 77.33 42 Barbados 79.64 80.85 78.36 43 Curaçao 79.41 82.08 76.42 44 Poland 79.27 82.98 75.51 44 Lebanon 79.27 81.17 77.53 45 Cuba 79.18 81.12 77.25 45 Estonia 79.18 83.06 74.98 46 United States 79.11 81.65 76.61 47 Panama 79.10 82.20 76.14 48 Croatia 79.02 82.02 75.95 49 Albania 78.96 80.48 77.48 50 Oman 78.58 80.94 76.90 Ah, nobrain debunked yourself once again. You used countries with all their refineries etc going as CO2 values which then get exported instead of what the people actually use. Please keep posting. This is hilarious. And do be brave and use values from 10 years ago before everyone decided to install a few wind turbines. Don't be shy now. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,374 DL June 19, 2022 On 6/18/2022 at 2:13 AM, Jay McKinsey said: Funny thing, EV sales just keep going up. The lithium roadblock will change that. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,374 DL June 19, 2022 17 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: So which is it guys - Are EVs too cheap or too expensive? I'm sure Eco will say they are both, like a fool. Meanwhile EV sales just keep going up. EVs will be priced out of range for the average buyer. Lithium prices are soaring. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polyphia + 67 LT June 19, 2022 11 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Let me woke you, those who use the MOST FF have the LONGEST life expectancy. Ah, boatism.... opposite of reality is how the psychos rock eh Are you claiming that increased use of fossil fuels causes life expectancy to increase? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
footeab@yahoo.com + 2,129 June 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Polyphia said: Are you claiming that increased use of fossil fuels causes life expectancy to increase? Hey, its almost as if energy/power = life. Who knew... Oh right, science says so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 June 20, 2022 43 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said: Hey, its almost as if energy/power = life. Who knew... Oh right, science says so. Energy also means death. Oh right that is called reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,374 DL June 20, 2022 10 hours ago, Polyphia said: Are you claiming that increased use of fossil fuels causes life expectancy to increase? Yes, it has. Without fossil fuel transportation, medical supplies and transport would disappear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,374 DL June 20, 2022 (edited) Biden & Co. are still trying to understand how the economy works. Oil and gasoline production increases when taxes on them are reduced and oil and gasoline production declines when taxes are increased....it does not take an Einstein to figure this out, but I guess that Einstein has taken a pass on the White House. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/What-Biden-Is-Getting-Wrong-About-Big-Oils-Profits.html "President Joe Biden has targeted Big Oil companies, accusing them of price gouging. The high profits and soaring inflation are both a result of high oil prices, and oil companies have little influence over that. The oil companies are always a convenient scapegoat, particularly for Democrats." Edited June 20, 2022 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 460 GE June 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Energy also means death. Oh right that is called reality. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb13ynu3Iac "I am become death, destroyer of worlds." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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