GREEN NEW DEAL = BLIZZARD OF LIES

[turbguy + 1,398]

6 hours ago, specinho said:

I do not know the details. But my guess is, the author meant the average total vertical space used for one  turbine i.e. 150 m for pole, 65 m for blades, ~70 - 100 m for base.

The words used are " a hole up to 300 meters deep". 

Holes in the earth do not reach into the atmosphere.

Just go here for a REAL answer.

http://www.steelwindtower.com/wind-turbine-foundation-5-foundation-types-explained-for-onshore-wind-turbine/

Maybe, just maybe, 10 meters deep.

Edited March 19, 2023 by turbguy

[notsonice + 1,068]

7 hours ago, specinho said:

I do not know the details. But my guess is, the author meant the average total vertical space used for one  turbine i.e. 150 m for pole, 65 m for blades, ~70 - 100 m for base.

if the author is babbling bs and you are reposting his bs babble,,,,that makes a fool out of you

I do not know the details. But my guess is, the author meant the average total vertical space????

that is not what he wrote nor what you wrote.

Do you think that a wind turbine needs a foundation a 1000 feet deep????? both you and the author are just babbling BS

 

[bloodman33 + 20]

Oiil industry is creating mutant seaweed eating Florida because of global worming!

[Ron Wagner + 643]

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/03/19/report-nearly-half-of-climate-change-companies-in-u-s-banked-with-failed-svb/

 

Half of the companies in the U.S. devoted to climate change and biotech banked with the now-failed Silicon Valley Bank (SVB), leaving many of those companies looking for financial backers willing to take on the risk.

As San Francisco Bay Area public radio station KQED reports, many of those companies received funding from SVB because other banks were less willing to fund investments that had lower chances of providing a return:

Nearly half of the country’s bio- and climate-technology companies, many of them headquartered in the Bay Area, banked with Silicon Valley Bank. Last year, SVB committed to investing at least $5 billion in the clean tech industry.

But even as the FDIC quickly stepped in to guarantee deposits, following the bank’s collapse, many companies have been scrambling to find new banks, open accounts and reorganize payroll systems.

…

To his point, SVB was widely known for incubating ambitious climate and biotech startups, and was a valuable resource for new companies looking for a bank willing to invest in innovative and somewhat risky ventures.

Kimberley Strassel, a columnist for the Wall Street Journal, quoted one source who called such investments “subprime business loans”:

Most of these companies weren’t filling some vital market need. Rather, as the Journal reported, SVB was beloved for its willingness to offer “banking services to startups that often weren’t profitable, in some cases didn’t have a product, and would otherwise have a hard time getting a line of credit or a loan from a larger bank.” One tech entrepreneur provided law.com a more scathing description of SVB’s products: “They’re basically subprime business loans. You’re talking about companies that have no credit profile, they’re burning cash and are unlikely to raise the same type of capital because of interest rates. . . . It was basically social credit.”

What inspires a bank to disregard risk and shower money on products or services that nobody is clamoring to buy? One answer is easy money and misguided regulation, which washed dollars into the economy even as it pushed banks like SVB to load up on sovereign debt, lulled by a Federal Reserve-fed belief that interest rates would stay near zero forever. The other? Washington handouts, via President Biden’s effort to engineer a climate industry that otherwise wouldn’t exist.

She argues that the same Democrat-led government that funded failed enterprises like Solyndra in the 2009 “stimulus” — managed by then Vice President Joe Biden — is making the same mistake again.

As Breitbart News noted in 2020, Biden took personal credit in 2009 for an investment by Fisker Automotive in Delaware, backed by the stimulus, to produce electric cars. The venture failed without one car being produced.

Joel B. Pollak is Senior Editor-at-Large at Breitbart News and the host of Breitbart News Sunday on Sirius XM Patriot on Sunday evenings from 7 p.m. to 10 p.m. ET (4 p.m. to 7 p.m. PT). He is the author of the new biography, Rhoda: ‘Comrade Kadalie, You Are Out of Order’. He is also the author of the recent e-book, Neither Free nor Fair: The 2020 U.S. Presidential Election. He is a winner of the 2018 Robert Novak Journalism Alumni Fellowship. Follow him on Twitter at @joelpollak.

[bloodman33 + 20]

The stupidity on these boards is too much.  I am done.  Ahhhh!

[footeab@yahoo.com + 2,131]

29 minutes ago, bloodman33 said:

The stupidity on these boards is too much.  I am done.  Ahhhh!

As every post you type proves.  The one previous to this utter stupidity takes the cake.  You clearly have never worked with a bank with your business. 

[Rob Plant + 2,608]

4 hours ago, bloodman33 said:

Banks do not invest in companies

Are you actually serious?

Yes venture capitalists and private equity firms buy companies by raising funds from banks, but banks also deal directly with most businesses as well obviously! Never heard of a bank loan to a business? thats an investment which the bank expects to get a return on by charging interest. If said company goes bust the first investor to get their money out is always the bank over and above even the venture capitalist let alone the other shareholders.

Edited March 20, 2023 by Rob Plant

[bloodman33 + 20]

Startups do not get loans from banks.

[Rob Plant + 2,608]

1 hour ago, bloodman33 said:

Startups do not get loans from banks.

Who mentioned start ups?

You said "banks dont invest in companies"

[bloodman33 + 20]

I am referring to the idiot Breitbart article someone posted.

[Ecocharger + 1,375]

17 hours ago, Ron Wagner said:

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/03/19/report-nearly-half-of-climate-change-companies-in-u-s-banked-with-failed-svb/

 

Half of the companies in the U.S. devoted to climate change and biotech banked with the now-failed Silicon Valley Bank (SVB), leaving many of those companies looking for financial backers willing to take on the risk.

As San Francisco Bay Area public radio station KQED reports, many of those companies received funding from SVB because other banks were less willing to fund investments that had lower chances of providing a return:

Nearly half of the country’s bio- and climate-technology companies, many of them headquartered in the Bay Area, banked with Silicon Valley Bank. Last year, SVB committed to investing at least $5 billion in the clean tech industry.

But even as the FDIC quickly stepped in to guarantee deposits, following the bank’s collapse, many companies have been scrambling to find new banks, open accounts and reorganize payroll systems.

…

To his point, SVB was widely known for incubating ambitious climate and biotech startups, and was a valuable resource for new companies looking for a bank willing to invest in innovative and somewhat risky ventures.

Kimberley Strassel, a columnist for the Wall Street Journal, quoted one source who called such investments “subprime business loans”:

Most of these companies weren’t filling some vital market need. Rather, as the Journal reported, SVB was beloved for its willingness to offer “banking services to startups that often weren’t profitable, in some cases didn’t have a product, and would otherwise have a hard time getting a line of credit or a loan from a larger bank.” One tech entrepreneur provided law.com a more scathing description of SVB’s products: “They’re basically subprime business loans. You’re talking about companies that have no credit profile, they’re burning cash and are unlikely to raise the same type of capital because of interest rates. . . . It was basically social credit.”

What inspires a bank to disregard risk and shower money on products or services that nobody is clamoring to buy? One answer is easy money and misguided regulation, which washed dollars into the economy even as it pushed banks like SVB to load up on sovereign debt, lulled by a Federal Reserve-fed belief that interest rates would stay near zero forever. The other? Washington handouts, via President Biden’s effort to engineer a climate industry that otherwise wouldn’t exist.

She argues that the same Democrat-led government that funded failed enterprises like Solyndra in the 2009 “stimulus” — managed by then Vice President Joe Biden — is making the same mistake again.

As Breitbart News noted in 2020, Biden took personal credit in 2009 for an investment by Fisker Automotive in Delaware, backed by the stimulus, to produce electric cars. The venture failed without one car being produced.

Joel B. Pollak is Senior Editor-at-Large at Breitbart News and the host of Breitbart News Sunday on Sirius XM Patriot on Sunday evenings from 7 p.m. to 10 p.m. ET (4 p.m. to 7 p.m. PT). He is the author of the new biography, Rhoda: ‘Comrade Kadalie, You Are Out of Order’. He is also the author of the recent e-book, Neither Free nor Fair: The 2020 U.S. Presidential Election. He is a winner of the 2018 Robert Novak Journalism Alumni Fellowship. Follow him on Twitter at @joelpollak.

This is what happens when loony left politicians promote philosophies which have no basis in reality, the market sorts out these misconceived ideological contraptions and sends them to the bottom of the lake.

It is time for Biden & Co. to show some respect for economic realities and the forces of the marketplace.

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,539]

16 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

 time for Biden & Co. to show some respect for economic realities and the forces of the marketplace.

That will not happen. This progressive socialist administration fully intends to destroy the US and it's world image.

Lead from behind had far more meaning than on the surface. 

 

[TailingsPond + 468]

13 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

US and it's world image.

 

 

Trump made you the laughing stock of the world.

More to come!

[Rob Plant + 2,608]

11 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

to destroy the US and it's world image.

Just interested in what your perception is of the US's "world image" over the last 20 years??

My take is it will be the same or worse than the UK's.

 

Edited March 21, 2023 by Rob Plant

[Rob Plant + 2,608]

New Report Estimates A $110 Trillion Price Tag For Net Zero Emissions

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/New-Report-Estimates-A-110-Trillion-Price-Tag-For-Net-Zero-Emissions.html

OUCH!

Of course this all depends on where you stand on the "climate change crisis" and whether you believe this is all down to burning FF or not.

What would be interesting if there was also an estimate of how much climate change catastrophes cost overall irrespective of the cost of loss of life. If you get a decent estimate of this combined with the offset of less investment into oil & gas of $500b annually then you need to offset both against the $110 trillion to arrive at the true cost.

Edited March 21, 2023 by Rob Plant

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,539]

5 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Just interested in what your perception is of the US's "world image" over the last 20 years??

My take is it will be the same or worse than the UK's.

 

Western civilization has brought peace and prosperity to the world over the past 100 yrs. Specifically both the US and the UK have shaped civilization...there are a few who despise such accomplishments...

All this discord will end shortly, hopefully the pain will not be overwhelming for a select few society's. The world has been in much more dire circumstances we will get thru this. Meanwhile enjoy your Green Jalopies...along with the windmills. It is my understanding power generation is off the charts over there, it's just a matter of making it work effectively...Hold your pocket closely..the green lunatics are becoming quite desperate.

 

Edited March 21, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

[notsonice + 1,068]

5 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Western civilization has brought peace and prosperity to the world over the past 100 yrs. Specifically both the US and the UK have shaped civilization...there are a few who despise such accomplishments...

All this discord will end shortly, hopefully the pain will not be overwhelming for a select few society's. The world has been in much more dire circumstances we will get thru this. Meanwhile enjoy your Green Jalopies...along with the windmills. It is my understanding power generation is off the charts over there, it's just a matter of making it work effectively...Hold your pocket closely..the green lunatics are becoming quite desperate.

 

Western civilization has brought peace and prosperity to the world over the past 100 yrs.?????

yet WW2 was on the level of human suffering .....The worst....unless you are a Holocaust denier

WW2 3.25 % of the world pop was killed one of the highest percentages ever (only second to the Taiping rebellion)

WW2 was brought to you by Western Civilization

toss in WW1 ( just a few years over 100) and you get Western Civilization is not the deliverer of peace and prosperity....Unless you think prosperity means trying to wipe out entire civilian populations

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,539]

1 hour ago, notsonice said:

Western civilization has brought peace and prosperity to the world over the past 100 yrs.?????

yet WW2 was on the level of human suffering .....The worst....unless you are a Holocaust denier

WW2 3.25 % of the world pop was killed one of the highest percentages ever (only second to the Taiping rebellion)

WW2 was brought to you by Western Civilization

toss in WW1 ( just a few years over 100) and you get Western Civilization is not the deliverer of peace and prosperity....Unless you think prosperity means trying to wipe out entire civilian populations

Do take notice...

Specifically both the US and the UK have shaped civilization...there are a few who despise such accomplishments...I do not see any stretch how the UK fundamentals of law shaped the modern world.

For the past 100 yrs the US/UK has cleaned up the world's messes. Both China and Russia had there sovereignty today as a result. Or have you forgotten Japan was having there way with China.

[notsonice + 1,068]

28 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Do take notice...

Specifically both the US and the UK have shaped civilization...there are a few who despise such accomplishments...I do not see any stretch how the UK fundamentals of law shaped the modern world.

For the past 100 yrs the US/UK has cleaned up the world's messes. Both China and Russia had there sovereignty today as a result. Or have you forgotten Japan was having there way with China.

cleaned up?????....the Treaty of Versailles was a disaster that led to WW 2....Thank god  to the US and UK for that piece of shit treaty that brought Hitler to power?????

You posted some real BS....

Western civilization has brought peace and prosperity to the world over the past 100 yrs.?????

 

.the Treaty of Versailles was/is just a horrible example of the carry a big stick diplomacy ...we are always right thinking....

No different than your poor recollection of all the crappy wars fought after WW2

China was a great place up to WW 2????? US and the UK was sending China in the dark ages up to WW 2 and the aftermath of crappy policies  that led to such a power vacuum in China....Vietnam etc

The aftermath of WW2 was great?????? All a giant mess that started with the crappy Treaty of Versailles

How do you fix the aftermath of WW2.......cold war.....gee we are so blessed with the thought of the nuclear arms race..........

I bet you where a failure in your studies in History.........

 

[bloodman33 + 20]

Hillary was right.  You are all a bunch of right wing climate change oil industry covering Trump loving deplorables!.  99.99% of Meteorologists say climate change is from the oil industry.  10% of all electricity in the world is for air conditioning. Change your ways or your grandchildren and great grandchildren will hate you. 

[turbguy + 1,398]

1 hour ago, bloodman33 said:

Hillary was right.  You are all a bunch of right wing climate change oil industry covering Trump loving deplorables!.  99.99% of Meteorologists say climate change is from the oil industry.  10% of all electricity in the world is for air conditioning. Change your ways or your grandchildren and great grandchildren will hate you. 

Even Exxon's own internal sources confirmed global atmospheric warming would occur with expected CO₂ emissions, YEARS ago.

And, their projection was quite accurate.

That said, there will be a lengthy transition away from burning "stuff", or storing the emissions securely.

That transition is underway, just not at the pace some would prefer.

It's all about the money, not the future.  Only a minority cares much beyond the next two generations.

Edited March 21, 2023 by turbguy

[Eyes Wide Open + 3,539]

5 hours ago, notsonice said:

cleaned up?????....the Treaty of Versailles was a disaster that led to WW 2....Thank god  to the US and UK for that piece of shit treaty that brought Hitler to power?????

You posted some real BS....

Western civilization has brought peace and prosperity to the world over the past 100 yrs.?????

 

.the Treaty of Versailles was/is just a horrible example of the carry a big stick diplomacy ...we are always right thinking....

No different than your poor recollection of all the crappy wars fought after WW2

China was a great place up to WW 2????? US and the UK was sending China in the dark ages up to WW 2 and the aftermath of crappy policies  that led to such a power vacuum in China....Vietnam etc

The aftermath of WW2 was great?????? All a giant mess that started with the crappy Treaty of Versailles

How do you fix the aftermath of WW2.......cold war.....gee we are so blessed with the thought of the nuclear arms race..........

I bet you where a failure in your studies in History.........

 

It would seem only one country had issues...China interesting. 

The Chinese public became outraged by the eventual treaty, accusing the Chinese government of selling out, and became disappointed by Wilson's failed promises. China's refusal to sign the Treaty of Versailles necessitated a separate peace treaty with Germany in 1921.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shandong_Problem

Edited March 22, 2023 by Eyes Wide Open

[Rob Plant + 2,608]

20 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Western civilization has brought peace and prosperity to the world over the past 100 yrs. Specifically both the US and the UK have shaped civilization...there are a few who despise such accomplishments...

All this discord will end shortly, hopefully the pain will not be overwhelming for a select few society's. The world has been in much more dire circumstances we will get thru this. Meanwhile enjoy your Green Jalopies...along with the windmills. It is my understanding power generation is off the charts over there, it's just a matter of making it work effectively...Hold your pocket closely..the green lunatics are becoming quite desperate.

 

An interesting study below

How the World Views U.S. Foreign Policy

https://www.newsweek.com/how-world-views-us-foreign-policy-opinion-1593035

I cant agree that Western civilisation has brought peace

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

[Ecocharger + 1,375]

On 3/21/2023 at 5:34 AM, Rob Plant said:

New Report Estimates A $110 Trillion Price Tag For Net Zero Emissions

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/New-Report-Estimates-A-110-Trillion-Price-Tag-For-Net-Zero-Emissions.html

OUCH!

Of course this all depends on where you stand on the "climate change crisis" and whether you believe this is all down to burning FF or not.

What would be interesting if there was also an estimate of how much climate change catastrophes cost overall irrespective of the cost of loss of life. If you get a decent estimate of this combined with the offset of less investment into oil & gas of $500b annually then you need to offset both against the $110 trillion to arrive at the true cost.

Those calculations are beyond ridiculous...no one has any idea of how to calculate the supposed "costs" or benefits of higher levels of CO2. The climate models themselves offer no clue as to how to calculate such nebulous concepts. 

Pure fantasy.

[Ecocharger + 1,375]

20 hours ago, notsonice said:

Western civilization has brought peace and prosperity to the world over the past 100 yrs.?????

yet WW2 was on the level of human suffering .....The worst....unless you are a Holocaust denier

WW2 3.25 % of the world pop was killed one of the highest percentages ever (only second to the Taiping rebellion)

WW2 was brought to you by Western Civilization

toss in WW1 ( just a few years over 100) and you get Western Civilization is not the deliverer of peace and prosperity....Unless you think prosperity means trying to wipe out entire civilian populations

What makes you think that the German government of the 1930s was representative of "Western civilization"? Certainly that idea was not promoted at the time. The German chancellor himself claimed to be in revolution against Western civilization, he had nothing but contempt for Western leaders.

Edited March 22, 2023 by Ecocharger