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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

The Russians are not stupid about oil and its future...Novak warns,

"If the world were to follow the International Energy Agency’s controversial road map, which said investment in new fields would have to stop immediately to achieve net-zero carbon emissions by 2050, "the price for oil will go to, what, $200? Gas prices will skyrocket," Novak said."

https://www.worldoil.com/news/2021/6/3/opec-leaders-mock-iea-s-la-la-land-2050-net-zero-roadmap

If price rises too high, we will see people reusing plastic water bottles and buying EV's while dumping ICE's.

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48 minutes ago, turbguy said:

If price rises too high, we will see people reusing plastic water bottles and buying EV's while dumping ICE's.

I assume the air at 6000 ft is a bit thin, perhaps laiden with carbon? 

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1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

I assume the air at 6000 ft is a bit thin, perhaps laiden with carbon? 

You have an alternative to high prices for plastic packaging or diesel/gasoline?

I do.

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51 minutes ago, turbguy said:

You have an alternative to high prices for plastic packaging or diesel/gasoline?

I do.

Off course, merely pop some holes in the artic's and the green river formation...No more energy issues..

As to pollution below is a link that demonstrates the worlds worst pollution..4000 times more that all the worlds auto's combined..actually pages and pages and pages..

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=16+ships+pollute+more+that+all+the+worlds+autos&va=b&t=hc&ia=web

 

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On 6/1/2021 at 12:17 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

No, they are buying plug-ins.

May In France: Plugin Vehicle Sales At 17.3% Share — Up 2.3× Year On Year

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https://cleantechnica.com/2021/06/01/france-may-plugin-ev-sales-at-17-3-share-up-2-3x-year-on-year/

Tesla's car orders in China were nearly cut in half last month, according to a new report

https://news.google.com/stories/CAAqOQgKIjNDQklTSURvSmMzUnZjbmt0TXpZd1NoTUtFUWlRdnEzNGtvQU1FVjBLakpzNHhDM3RLQUFQAQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

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6 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Evidence of decreasing EV costs certainly does undermine your position. Not surprising that you would call such evidence irrelevant. 

Evidence of skyrocketing materials prices for EV's supports my view.....Jay, you were right to not buy an EV, Congrats.

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Tesla's Surprise Just Shocked the Stock Market

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5 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

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Auto registrations are not auto stock...huge difference.

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4 hours ago, turbguy said:

If price rises too high, we will see people reusing plastic water bottles and buying EV's while dumping ICE's.

Even high gasoline prices do not make up for the high price and inconvenience of the EV. Jay knows that, and has chosen to remain with the ICE vehicles. Bravo.

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Looks like the EV revolution has stalled in China.

REUTERS: Tesla's vehicle orders in China nearly halved in May, when compared to April, against the backdrop of increased government scrutiny on the US electric carmaker, the Information reported on Thursday, citing internal data.

The company's monthly net orders in China dropped to about 9,800 in May from more than 18,000 in April, the report said, sending shares down nearly 5per cent in afternoon trading.

China is the electric car maker's second-biggest market after the United States and accounts for about 30per cent of its sales. Tesla makes electric Model 3 sedans and Model Y sport-utility vehicles in a Shanghai plant.

Tesla had won strong backing from Shanghai when it built its first overseas factory there in 2019. Tesla's Model 3 sedans were the best-selling electric vehicles in the country before being overtaken by a much cheaper micro EV.

However, the recent slump Tesla's sales comes as Chinese regulators take a tough stance on the company over increased safety concerns and consumer complaints in the past few months coupled with growing tensions with Washington.

Tesla's China sales had slumped in April from March as well.

Tesla sold 11,671 Model 3 and Model Y vehicles in April in China compared with March, when it sold most of its 35,478 China-made cars locally, according to Chinese auto industry body CPCA's secretary general Cui Dongshu.

Tesla did not immediately respond to Reuters' request for comment.

 

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14 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Auto registrations are not auto stock...huge difference.

Today's new car market is tomorrows used car (installed base) market.

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There is a looming deadlock between state governors and city administrations over whether or not to ban natural gas for home heating and cooking. The issue is a simple one, but not simple enough for some activists.

Here is what a scientist has to say,

"Last year, direct use of natural gas in homes and buildings accounted for about 8.5% of total U.S. carbon emissions, and U.S. carbon emissions accounted for about 15% of the world's total," Lesser said.

"So even if all of the U.S. buildings that rely on natural gas today converted to electricity, and all of that electricity was generated from clean sources, the reduction in world-wide carbon emissions would amount to just over 1%. That would have no measurable impact on the global climate."

It looks like the governors will win this fight, and natural gas will remain for home heating and cooking.

 

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2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Today's new car market is tomorrows used car (installed base) market.

Not in the remote future. You are talking about mini-percentages.

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23 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Evidence of skyrocketing materials prices for EV's supports my view.....Jay, you were right to not buy an EV, Congrats.

You still haven't figured out that materials only go into an EV once. They aren't consumed and destroyed requiring regular fill ups with skyrocketing oil prices.

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12 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

You still haven't figured out that materials only go into an EV once. They aren't consumed and destroyed requiring regular fill ups with skyrocketing oil prices.

LMAO...Do illuminate your understanding of the auto ind..... plz of course.

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8 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Not relevant to this discussion above. Poor people will still cling to their ICE vehicles. Jay, you yourself are clinging to your own ICE vehicle and you have chosen not to invest in an EV. That makes sense for you, and for anyone. EV's are still just a toy for the well-off.

Many less expensive models are available worldwide though. https://fossbytes.com/cheapest-electric-cars/

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4 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Off course, merely pop some holes in the artic's and the green river formation...No more energy issues..

As to pollution below is a link that demonstrates the worlds worst pollution..4000 times more that all the worlds auto's combined..actually pages and pages and pages..

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=16+ships+pollute+more+that+all+the+worlds+autos&va=b&t=hc&ia=web

 

"Poping holes" doesn't reduce price.  It can increase supply (if successful).

Price is the market's job.

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Ford Motor Co. surpassed a significant milestone in its conversion to electric vehicles, producing more battery-powered Mustangs so far this year than gasoline-fueled versions of its iconic pony car.

Ford has built 27,816 electric Mustang Mach-E models at a plant in Mexico this year compared with 26,089 copies of the traditional internal combustion engine Mustang at a factory in Michigan, according to production data the automaker released Thursday.

The Ford Mustang Mach-E has gained favor with customers in Ford's overseas markets.
 
Chief Executive Officer Jim Farley said last week that he expects 4-in-10 models Ford sells to be electric by 2030, as he revealed plans to boost spending on battery-powered models by 36% to $30 billion. The Mach-E went on sale late last year and was the top-selling vehicle in Norway last month. In the U.S., where EV adoption is slower, the gas Mustang still outsells the electric version by nearly 3-to-1.
“Mach-E has been much stronger than we expected, so we’ve totally run out of stock,” Farley told reporters at the introduction of the electric F-150 Lightning pickup May 19. “Mach-E is going global as we speak, but in the U.S.,” the wait for a Mach-E “is months.”

The global computer-chip shortage hobbling the auto industry played a role in the Mach-E surpassing the traditional Mustang. Farley said the company is prioritizing its newest models, such as the Mach-E and the Bronco SUV, as its distributes its scarce supply of semiconductor modules. Ford’s Flat Rock factory built no gas Mustangs last month, according to the production data.

 

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13 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Not relevant to this discussion above. Poor people will still cling to their ICE vehicles. Jay, you yourself are clinging to your own ICE vehicle and you have chosen not to invest in an EV. That makes sense for you, and for anyone. EV's are still just a toy for the well-off.

This maybe true in the US but in Europe tax incentives for both individuals and companies actually mean it makes economic sense to drive these. That is why you see significant growth/traction in EV sales and market share in Europe. If you drive a company leased vehicle in the UK you would be mad to drive anything other than an EV or a hybrid, but even the hybrids are being hiked in tax now.

Leasing means no massive outlay for the vehicle which currently is prohibitive to your average person.  You can lease a Tesla model 3 for £365 per month

https://www.sprintcontracts.com/car-leasing/tesla/model-3-saloon

Are company leased or privately leased vehicles not popular in the US??? If they are you will undoubtedly see them take significant market share if the same tax incentives are offered.

The only think that can stop the growth in EV's are huge increased battery costs and a level playing field on the tax implications for companies and individuals between ICE and EV's. I think new tech on batteries will negate this problem and its political suicide for any government not to go green as it seems the vast majority of people dont read or understand the science on climate change.

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2 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

Are company leased or privately leased vehicles not popular in the US??? If they are you will undoubtedly see them take significant market share if the same tax incentives are offered.

About 20% are blithering shortsighted moronic fools who lease their car in the USA

I do not know how many blithering moronic shortsighted fools are in the EU.

Best way to make money from fools: Leases

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1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

About 20% are blithering shortsighted moronic fools who lease their car in the USA

I do not know how many blithering moronic shortsighted fools are in the EU.

Best way to make money from fools: Leases

so these "fools" that work for a company and get a company car as a perk should refuse it?

Or they should have an ICE vehicle and pay 8 times the tax they would on an EV???

Yeah complete fuc*ing idiots arent they!

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9 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

so these "fools" that work for a company and get a company car as a perk should refuse it?

Or they should have an ICE vehicle and pay 8 times the tax they would on an EV???

Yeah complete fuc*ing idiots arent they!

There are no company cars...  only a few rare government employees have $$$ to waste on that

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6 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

There are no company cars...  only a few rare government employees have $$$ to waste on that

Then there's the difference between US leasing fools and European ones

You do waste a lot of $$$ on healthcare though

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GM and Ford Are Leaving Electric Vehicle Stocks in the Dust

If you had to guess at the start of the year which electric vehicle stocks would produce the best returns by the beginning of June, you would have likely been wrong. It's been a bloodbath for the most part.

Shares of industry leader Tesla are down around 15% year to date, and they're down more than 30% from their recent high. Upstarts like Workhorse, Lordstown Motors, and Canoo have suffered even steeper declines. Investors are no longer giving the benefit of the doubt to pre-revenue electric vehicle companies.

The inevitable is beginning,

https://www.fool.com/investing/2021/06/04/gm-and-ford-are-leaving-electric-vehicle-stocks-in/

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