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9 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

And you didn't read ANY of them.  If you had, you wouldn't, that would disabuse you of your naivete.... you would know they are all "approximations"... never any REAL world COUNTING of actual birds or ferral cats in the field.  What is beyond HILARIOUS is you even quoted the Winnipeg article pushed by a single wild cat rescue woman as an actual reference...ROFL!!!

Did you read them?   No.

Do you know exactly the number of windmill deaths?  Everything is an estimate.

The "wild cat rescue woman" almost certainly has more real interaction with cats than you or I. Your arrogance is disgusting, stop pretending you are an expert.

 

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https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03014220709510087

Oh look they can count!  Took me no time to find some counted numbers.   Here One (1) cat was tracked long-term and it killed >223 birds by itself (only prey returned to house were counted).

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The 558 prey items brought home by one domestic cat, recorded over its 17‐year lifetime, included 221 mice, 63 rats, 35 rabbits, 4 hares and 2 weasels. The cat hunted up to 600 m from the house, and prey was caught both inside and outside the 0.5 ha garden. Of the 223 birds brought in, 54 were native, including 43 silvereyes (Zosterops lateralis), but those killed were quickly replaced, so there was always a resident population of 1–2 pairs. The other known native birds comprised five fantails (Rhipidura fuliginosa), four warblers (Gerygone igata), a kingfisher (Halcyon sancta), and a shining cuckoo (Chrysococcyx lucidus). Only nine skinks (Cyclodina aenea) and one frog (Litoria raniformis) were brought in. The abundance of birds and reptiles in the garden showed no apparent change over the 17 years compared with the previous 15‐year‐period without a cat. By contrast, the cat exterminated the rabbit population in the garden, and “farmed” surrounding burrows during its whole life; all other prey killed declined in frequency after the cat was 8–9 years old.

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Here they tracked almost a 1000 cats for a shorter time period.  Even if there were zero feral cats the number of registered pet cats is huge! 

Multiply the 58,385,725 house cats in the USA by the bird kill rate and get back to me on the windmill issue.

 

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1365-2907.2003.00017.x

A questionnaire survey of the numbers of animals brought home by domestic cats Felis catus was conducted between 1 April and 31 August 1997. A total of 14370 prey items were brought home by 986 cats living in 618 households. Mammals made up 69% of the items, birds 24%, amphibians 4%, reptiles 1%, fish < 1%, invertebrates 1% and unidentified items 1%. A minimum of 44 species of wild bird, 20 species of wild mammal, four species of reptile and three species of amphibian were recorded.

https://www.avma.org/resources-tools/reports-statistics/us-pet-ownership-statistics

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8 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Did you read them?   No.

Do you know exactly the number of windmill deaths?  Everything is an estimate.

The "wild cat rescue woman" almost certainly has more real interaction with cats than you or I. Your arrogance is disgusting, stop pretending you are an expert.

 

Poor baby, still can't read can ya? Typical and Why I generally never reply to any of your posts.  I was never the one claiming wind turbine bird deaths were a problem.  I did point out there is a vast difference between cat bird kills and big bird kills of wind turbines... ah but poor you and nobrain can't figure out there is a difference between an Golden Eagle and a Winter Wren...

Stop pretending a "study" with numbers means anything just because they "publish".  Take your own "study"...

Then for some reason you decided to self own yourself: "The abundance of birds and reptiles in the garden showed no apparent change over the 17 years compared with the previous 15‐year‐period without a cat. "

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On 8/25/2022 at 6:43 PM, footeab@yahoo.com said:

  Also, wind sighting in USA was paused due to bird death strikes for decades and why I initially lost my job in said industry going on 2 decades ago now and I had to move on.  This is still a gargantuan problem in the USA.  Apparently either Europeans have no protected big birds already and therefore no bird deaths or do not care as they have to worry more about keeping the lights on.  In the USA we do not have the problem with the later but do have a big problem with the former with large birds everywhere it is windy other than a few select desert locations. 

Yes, one more reason West Texas and West Oklahoma have seen explosive growth in wind turbines in USA(40GW currently and climbing quickly with an average capacity factor of 44% and going up with all newer birds hitting an average of +50%)... NO BIRDS as it is effect a desert.  Likewise California's early wind turbine parks also did not have bird problems as they were in desert location.  Maybe no one gives a damn about sea birds in Europe so when they get smashed and fall in the water no one ever knows as most of Europe's early adopters of wind turbines are right next to water or in the water.  Just an FYI, Germany with a capacity of ~60GW(onshore+offshore), has CF of 38% in its OFFSHORE birds all under 5 years of age. 

Footinmouth said "I was never the one claiming wind turbine bird deaths were a problem."

And yet YOU were the one who raised the issue of bird deaths due to wind turbine strikes, claiming it was a "gargantuan problem". Make your mind up or have you got demetia? Also wildly claiming that nobody cares about predatory or sea birds in Europe due to your ignorance.

Surely even you can now see that wind turbines are a miniscule percentage of bird deaths compared to cats, buildings and vehicle strikes!

if you cant then I pity you.

No wonder you lost your job!

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4 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Poor baby, still can't read can ya? Typical and Why I generally never reply to any of your posts.  I was never the one claiming wind turbine bird deaths were a problem.  I did point out there is a vast difference between cat bird kills and big bird kills of wind turbines... ah but poor you and nobrain can't figure out there is a difference between an Golden Eagle and a Winter Wren...

Stop pretending a "study" with numbers means anything just because they "publish".  Take your own "study"...

Then for some reason you decided to self own yourself: "The abundance of birds and reptiles in the garden showed no apparent change over the 17 years compared with the previous 15‐year‐period without a cat. "

Check these out:

https://wildlife.org/jwm-vehicles-lead-poisoning-cause-michigan-bald-eagle-deaths/

https://www.bto.org/sites/default/files/bto_rr733_hanmer_robinson_-_road_mortality_in_raptors_final_web.pdf

Actual counting of dead birds/necropsy studies. Vehicle fatalities are a very large proportion of the deaths of birds of prey. Apparently, they do a significant amount of hunting immediately adjacent to roads. The lead poisoning cause of death for eagles was something I had never considered.

Would the only proof of cause of bird deaths you would accept be when someone actually witnesses the deaths as they happen? Most of research involves approximation. Even tightly controlled double-blind studies used to determine cause and effect involve estimation/approximation--the inferential statistics used to evaluate the results typically involve estimating parameters (means, standard deviations, etc.) of the population based on the sample data one has collected.

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On 8/30/2022 at 11:22 AM, footeab@yahoo.com said:

🙄  Right... Types of birds cats and cars kill is the same as wind turbines..........

Your strawman small birds, cats and cars kill never even FLY as high as most modern wind turbines......

It is the LARGE, semi rare, top of food pyramid soaring birds which are the problem and you know it. 

Stop being a deliberate idiot.... Unless of course this is your actual natural state... party on then...

 

 

Really, you never claimed windmill bird deaths is a problem?   ;)

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5 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

 I was never the one claiming wind turbine bird deaths were a problem.

Eat a crow! It's okay, they are not a fancy bird you care about and they are very abundant.

Too funny. 

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13 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

 they are all "approximations"... never any REAL world COUNTING of actual birds or ferral cats in the field.  What is beyond HILARIOUS

Quoting your errors is fun.

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With the Green Mania now threatening America, here is the type of future which awaits this country with Biden & Co. in control.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Germany-And-Europe-Set-For-Energy-Rationing-After-Russian-Gas-Cuts.html

"We cannot rule out that Germany might look at rationing gas as something that might have to be considered. We know that the government wants to avoid this as much as possible because that would be a disaster for so many reasons," CEO Klaus-Dieter Maubach has told Reuters.

Europe's gas prices surged 26% on Monday after Russia stopped pumping via Nord Stream 1, a major supply route to the continent. 

On Friday, Gazprom shut Nord Stream indefinitely after claiming it had found an oil leak at a vital pipeline turbine, blaming Western sanctions and vowing to keep the pipeline offline until sanctions were lifted. That announcement follows a G7 announcement of an agreement to implement a price cap on Russian oil by December, with Moscow responding by threatening to stop selling oil to any country that supports price caps.

But it’s not just Europe’s largest economy that might be forced to go to extremes to preserve its gas stockpiles especially during the upcoming winter season. The rest of the continent might be forced to follow suit if the season turns out to be more severe than expected.

Gas rationing will come at a heavy price: the partial shutoff of gas deliveries is already affecting European growth momentum, darkening the Eurozone outlook. 

Indeed, the Eurozone economy GDP is expected to grow by 2.4% in 2022 but slow down to 1.3% in 2023. The world’s largest chemical producer, BASF, says it’s closely monitoring the natural gas markets and could cut production if needed."

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10 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

With the Green Mania now threatening America, here is the type of future which awaits this country with Biden & Co. in control.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Germany-And-Europe-Set-For-Energy-Rationing-After-Russian-Gas-Cuts.html

"We cannot rule out that Germany might look at rationing gas as something that might have to be considered. We know that the government wants to avoid this as much as possible because that would be a disaster for so many reasons," CEO Klaus-Dieter Maubach has told Reuters.

Europe's gas prices surged 26% on Monday after Russia stopped pumping via Nord Stream 1, a major supply route to the continent. 

On Friday, Gazprom shut Nord Stream indefinitely after claiming it had found an oil leak at a vital pipeline turbine, blaming Western sanctions and vowing to keep the pipeline offline until sanctions were lifted. That announcement follows a G7 announcement of an agreement to implement a price cap on Russian oil by December, with Moscow responding by threatening to stop selling oil to any country that supports price caps.

But it’s not just Europe’s largest economy that might be forced to go to extremes to preserve its gas stockpiles especially during the upcoming winter season. The rest of the continent might be forced to follow suit if the season turns out to be more severe than expected.

Gas rationing will come at a heavy price: the partial shutoff of gas deliveries is already affecting European growth momentum, darkening the Eurozone outlook. 

Indeed, the Eurozone economy GDP is expected to grow by 2.4% in 2022 but slow down to 1.3% in 2023. The world’s largest chemical producer, BASF, says it’s closely monitoring the natural gas markets and could cut production if needed."

This highlights the importance of energy independence by whatever energy resource each and every country has. NG is now being used as a weapon by Russia (not surprisingly), Germany's ridiculous energy policy instigated by Merkel will always be her legacy and a model never to be followed again. The demonisation of nuclear in Germany was also a stupid policy as they are not blessed with oil & gas reserves like many other countries and this should have been ramped up not decommissioned.

Again a diverse energy mix where possible is the best way to go

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IOG marks ‘historic milestone’ as first gas flows from UK project

https://www.offshore-energy.biz/iog-marks-historic-milestone-as-first-gas-flows-from-uk-project/

Saturn Banks is an amalgamation of several discoveries containing around 410 billion cubic feet (bcf) of gas in the Southern North Sea. Production is brought onshore via the recommissioned Thames Pipeline – now renamed the Saturn Banks Pipeline – to facilities at the Bacton Terminal on England's east coast.15 Mar 2022

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Here is what happens when governments declare war on energy supplies, the standard of living for the average American will be destroyed if Biden & Co. have their way.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/60-Of-UK-Manufacturers-Could-Close-As-Energy-Prices-Soar.html

"MakeUK, a manufacturing lobby organization in the U.K., announced on Saturday that 42 percent of manufacturers have seen their electricity bills rise by 100 percent in the past 12 months, and 32 percent have also seen their gas bill double.

The rise in prices has seen 13 percent of manufacturers already reduce their hours of operation, and 12 percent have been forced to make job cuts as a direct result of increased energy bills. The majority of businesses warn that if bills continue to increase this year and rise by over 50 percent as expected, closures and redundancies “will become inevitable.”"

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

Here is what happens when governments declare war on energy supplies, the standard of living for the average American will be destroyed if Biden & Co. have their way.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/60-Of-UK-Manufacturers-Could-Close-As-Energy-Prices-Soar.html

"MakeUK, a manufacturing lobby organization in the U.K., announced on Saturday that 42 percent of manufacturers have seen their electricity bills rise by 100 percent in the past 12 months, and 32 percent have also seen their gas bill double.

The rise in prices has seen 13 percent of manufacturers already reduce their hours of operation, and 12 percent have been forced to make job cuts as a direct result of increased energy bills. The majority of businesses warn that if bills continue to increase this year and rise by over 50 percent as expected, closures and redundancies “will become inevitable.”"

thanks for pointing out another failure of the Fossil Fuels industry to provide for long term stable pricing to the end consumers.

You must enjoy watching consumers get creamed by having their gas bill double.

Time for renewables which have much more stable pricing and are not subject to the whims of your master, Vlad

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24 minutes ago, notsonice said:

thanks for pointing out another failure of the Fossil Fuels industry to provide for long term stable pricing to the end consumers.

You must enjoy watching consumers get creamed by having their gas bill double.

Time for renewables which have much more stable pricing and are not subject to the whims of your master, Vlad

Renewables have been a flop, look at California, unable to get enough electricity for basic needs.

We should pay attention to Europe, where the war against fossil fuels has caused economic catastrophe.

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Putin has made it his personal goal to destroy nat gas as a world fuel. Nat gas is as reliable as the producer and unfortunately FF producers have proven to be unreliable. ECO like to blame the victims but then he claimed Mongolian coal would save China. 

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2 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

Here is what happens when governments declare war on energy supplies, the standard of living for the average American will be destroyed if Biden & Co. have their way.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/60-Of-UK-Manufacturers-Could-Close-As-Energy-Prices-Soar.html

"MakeUK, a manufacturing lobby organization in the U.K., announced on Saturday that 42 percent of manufacturers have seen their electricity bills rise by 100 percent in the past 12 months, and 32 percent have also seen their gas bill double.

The rise in prices has seen 13 percent of manufacturers already reduce their hours of operation, and 12 percent have been forced to make job cuts as a direct result of increased energy bills. The majority of businesses warn that if bills continue to increase this year and rise by over 50 percent as expected, closures and redundancies “will become inevitable.”"

The US is a net exporter for nat gas and oil. What war from Biden you talking about? You do know fracking took off under Obama the energy president. That’s your war. The Dems are just better at managing energy. Republicans like Texas will kill folks in their attempt to manage energy. Even after being warned. As the history of the human race unfolds it’s increasingly clear distributed power is the answer as reliance on trade for energy ends in conflict. 

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50 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Renewables have been a flop, look at California, unable to get enough electricity for basic needs.

We should pay attention to Europe, where the war against fossil fuels has caused economic catastrophe.

you post an article that pinpoints the cost of electricity is soaring in the UK due to the cost of gas soaring brought on by Putin and you yourself blame renewables???

 

You really are not playing with a full deck of cards.

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On 9/5/2022 at 6:07 AM, Rob Plant said:

Footinmouth said "I was never the one claiming wind turbine bird deaths were a problem."

And yet YOU were the one who raised the issue of bird deaths due to wind turbine strikes, claiming it was a "gargantuan problem". Make your mind up or have you got demetia? Also wildly claiming that nobody cares about predatory or sea birds in Europe due to your ignorance.

Surely even you can now see that wind turbines are a miniscule percentage of bird deaths compared to cats, buildings and vehicle strikes!

if you cant then I pity you.

No wonder you lost your job!

It is and was a gargantuan problem for windmill sighting.  You can pay giant fines for each dead bird or you can pretend to get a "permit" which forces you to pay $$$ up front and then you STILL have to pay fines/dead bird and do "studies" to site wind turbines. 

Cat bird deaths are pointless and useless as those birds are dying anyways due to rats, chipmunks, possum's and the own cat "study" you quoted is such a joke they did it for a partial year during young bird hatching season from WILLING participants who if you believe the numbers(no one does) kill neaerly as many birds as rodents...  Get real.  Its not wind turbines killing off song birds.  But, hey you have to erect a straw statue of stupidity...

If you are so dumb to not know the difference between an eagle and a sparrow, I pity you.

Do yourself a favor, never try to be hired at a job requiring discernment.

PS: Wind turbines, everywhere they go, kill off the large birds the first year of operation, the wind  turbine companies know this and hide the birds, and they never return.  Roads, do not do this.  Its called habitat destruction. Though a few researchers are claiming it is because they kill off the bugs which is birds majority food source.  Yet more habitat destruction.  More like for the smaller/medium birds, not the raptors, hawks etc.

 

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7 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

It is and was a gargantuan problem for windmill sighting.  You can pay giant fines for each dead bird or you can pretend to get a "permit" which forces you to pay $$$ up front and then you STILL have to pay fines/dead bird and do "studies" to site wind turbines. 

Cat bird deaths are pointless and useless as those birds are dying anyways due to rats, chipmunks, possum's and the own cat "study" you quoted is such a joke they did it for a partial year during young bird hatching season from WILLING participants who if you believe the numbers(no one does) kill neaerly as many birds as rodents...  Get real.  Its not wind turbines killing off song birds.  But, hey you have to erect a straw statue of stupidity...

If you are so dumb to not know the difference between an eagle and a sparrow, I pity you.

Do yourself a favor, never try to be hired at a job requiring discernment.

PS: Wind turbines, everywhere they go, kill off the large birds the first year of operation, the wind  turbine companies know this and hide the birds, and they never return.  Roads, do not do this.  Its called habitat destruction. Though a few researchers are claiming it is because they kill off the bugs which is birds majority food source.  Yet more habitat destruction.  More like for the smaller/medium birds, not the raptors, hawks etc.

 

So you spout a load more crap with no case studies or any data to back up your nonsense, just your opinion as usual.

Try opening your mind to facts and reality and one day they might reduce your meds and let you outside that padded cell you inhabit!

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On 8/16/2022 at 5:10 PM, Ecocharger said:

Oil, gasoline, and diesel demand is still robust, in spite of the expectations of recessionary headwinds.

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/WTI-Stops-Slide-As-API-Figures-Show-Major-Gasoline-Draw.html

"The API also reported a draw in gasoline inventories this week of 4.480 million barrels for the week ending Aug 12, compared to the previous week's 627,000-barrel draw.

Distillate stocks saw a draw of 759,000 barrels for the week, compared to last week's 1.376-million-barrel increase."

Once again you are wrong.......

Oil, gasoline, and diesel demand is still robust?????

and you bought into the GS BS.....

Demand destruction is in full gear. EVs are ramping up.........

The recession in China is getting worse

The Fed is in charge and they will not stop until Brent oil is under $70

$5 gas is now a faint memory.......back to $2.50 gas

 

 

 

 

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not even a month has passed....

Anyone in the market for a bridge?????

 

Crude oil prices today - Oilprice.com

 

Goldman Sees $5 Gasoline, $130 Brent By Year End

By Julianne Geiger - Aug 11, 2022, 5:30 PM CDT

The price of retail gasoline just dipped below $4 per gallon, AAA data showed on Thursday, but prices could rise to $5 per gallon by the end of the year, Goldman Sach’s Head of Energy Research Damien Courvalin told Bloomberg TV on Thursday.

“We think that’s the level at which we need to see sustained pricing to eventually solve the market deficit,” Courvalin told Bloomberg.

As for crude oil prices, Courvalin sees Brent climbing to $130 by the end of the year. “So we think Brent goes to $130 per barrel at the end of this year to reflect this need for sustained high prices.”

 

“We’re still in deficit. Despite growth slowing, prices still have work to do, and that’s higher from here.”

Goldman’s forecast assumes China’s demand for jet fuel and diesel only grows moderately from here until the end of 2023, pressured by its zero-Covid policy. 

That scenario could shift, Courvalin points out. “If we’re talking half a million barrels per day of Chinese demand going back to its prior highs, just on our pricing model, that’s $15 upside per barrel to Brent prices.”

In the shorter term, Courvalin sees gasoline and diesel prices going up as refiners head into turnaround season due to the lack of a typical inventory buffer that is currently not present in the market.

As of the latest EIA data, total motor gasoline inventories in the United States were 6% below the five-year average for this time of year, while distillate fuels were 24% below the five-year average.

Brent crude was on the upswing on Thursday, trading $2.38 (2.44%) higher on the day at $99.78, pressing to reclaim its position above $100 per barrel—a position the international crude oil benchmark has held for most of the summer.

By Julianne Geiger for Oilprice.com

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3 hours ago, notsonice said:

not even a month has passed....

Anyone in the market for a bridge?????

 

Crude oil prices today - Oilprice.com

 

Goldman Sees $5 Gasoline, $130 Brent By Year End

By Julianne Geiger - Aug 11, 2022, 5:30 PM CDT

The price of retail gasoline just dipped below $4 per gallon, AAA data showed on Thursday, but prices could rise to $5 per gallon by the end of the year, Goldman Sach’s Head of Energy Research Damien Courvalin told Bloomberg TV on Thursday.

“We think that’s the level at which we need to see sustained pricing to eventually solve the market deficit,” Courvalin told Bloomberg.

As for crude oil prices, Courvalin sees Brent climbing to $130 by the end of the year. “So we think Brent goes to $130 per barrel at the end of this year to reflect this need for sustained high prices.”

 

“We’re still in deficit. Despite growth slowing, prices still have work to do, and that’s higher from here.”

Goldman’s forecast assumes China’s demand for jet fuel and diesel only grows moderately from here until the end of 2023, pressured by its zero-Covid policy. 

That scenario could shift, Courvalin points out. “If we’re talking half a million barrels per day of Chinese demand going back to its prior highs, just on our pricing model, that’s $15 upside per barrel to Brent prices.”

In the shorter term, Courvalin sees gasoline and diesel prices going up as refiners head into turnaround season due to the lack of a typical inventory buffer that is currently not present in the market.

As of the latest EIA data, total motor gasoline inventories in the United States were 6% below the five-year average for this time of year, while distillate fuels were 24% below the five-year average.

Brent crude was on the upswing on Thursday, trading $2.38 (2.44%) higher on the day at $99.78, pressing to reclaim its position above $100 per barrel—a position the international crude oil benchmark has held for most of the summer.

By Julianne Geiger for Oilprice.com

 When the Russian oil embargo goes into effect on Dec. 5th there will be a major shock. We could see a spike to $130 before the next wave of demand destruction brings it back down.

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3 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

 When the Russian oil embargo goes into effect on Dec. 5th there will be a major shock. We could see a spike to $130 before the next wave of demand destruction brings it back down.

highly doubt it......markets have already taken the announced embargo into consideration and those that need oil in Europe have made arrangements to source it elsewhere.

 

here are the forward contracts for Brent......

all down from today moving forward.....an oversupplied market

Brent Crude Nov 2022 $87.71          
Brent Crude Oil (IFEU $/bbl) Front Month $87.71          
Brent Crude Dec 2022 $86.90          
Brent Crude Jan 2023 $85.96          
Brent Crude Feb 2023 $85.07          
Brent Crude Mar 2023 $84.22          
Brent Crude Apr 2023 $83.37          
Brent Crude May 2023 $82.68          
Brent Crude Jun 2023 $82.27          
Brent Crude Jul 2023 $81.49          

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On 9/6/2022 at 5:04 PM, notsonice said:

you post an article that pinpoints the cost of electricity is soaring in the UK due to the cost of gas soaring brought on by Putin and you yourself blame renewables???

 

You really are not playing with a full deck of cards.

The fault  is in relying on renewables, look at Europe, showing us the disaster which Biden & Co. is bringing to this country.

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