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12 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

LOL ok its been 5 yrs, In regards to Prius, i am quite sure it outsells the entire market combined. But boat anchors are in high demand so there is hope for the lost souls...

https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10301

Actually the Prius isn't the best seller anymore, the RAV4 Hybrid is. If you had actually looked at the link you provided you would have seen that the Prius is #3 on the list. 

Just for fun let's compare it to the Model 3. The list you provided is a national list and it shows the Prius sales in 2019 at 48K. In California alone the Model 3 sold 59,514.

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Well, the shock has hit the world press, the IEA has done a rapid turnaround in policy formation, calling for zero oil one week, and then calling for massive growth in oil production the next week. Excuse me for chuckling over this, but the chaos of the Green Gabble has never been more pronounced.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Oil-Markets-Baffled-As-The-IEA-Calls-For-More-Production.html

" By pressuring OPEC+, the IEA is playing with fire. The call to open up the taps will be seen by some as a green light for significant production increases. Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Russia will not watch from the sidelines if others are opening up their taps. A possible reverse situation could be in the offing, as new oil on the market could easily push prices down, and indirectly boost demand. In the eyes of some IEA analysts and last week’s very active NGOs and activist funds, this would be a doomsday scenario for the climate change agreements. For OPEC+ producers the situation is looking increasingly bright, and with prices and demand rising, revenues will shoot up too."

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15 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Actually the Prius isn't the best seller anymore, the RAV4 Hybrid is. If you had actually looked at the link you provided you would have seen that the Prius is #3 on the list.

I see that, Hybrids have real potential to make in roads...yet they cannot even scratch the surface of gas powered transportation...They actually make inroads at $4 a gallon for gas.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28262444/toyota-rav4-hybrid-prius-sales/

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16 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Well, the shock has hit the world press, the IEA has done a rapid turnaround in policy formation, calling for zero oil one week, and then calling for massive production growth in oil production the next week. Excuse me for chuckling over this, but the chaos of the Green Gabble has never been more pronounced.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Oil-Markets-Baffled-As-The-IEA-Calls-For-More-Production.html

" By pressuring OPEC+, the IEA is playing with fire. The call to open up the taps will be seen by some as a green light for significant production increases. Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Russia will not watch from the sidelines if others are opening up their taps. A possible reverse situation could be in the offing, as new oil on the market could easily push prices down, and indirectly boost demand. In the eyes of some IEA analysts and last week’s very active NGOs and activist funds, this would be a doomsday scenario for the climate change agreements. For OPEC+ producers the situation is looking increasingly bright, and with prices and demand rising, revenues will shoot up too."

Then  you have Iran and Venezuela forming some type of alliance, this oil production puzzle could turn into a real chit show...

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The nonsensical call by the IEA for zero oil and zero natural gas is being exposed as gibberish. There is no logic in any of this mishmash of environmental activism, it is all just hysterical screaming about a doomsday scenario cooked up by the use of defective climate models.

So what happens when public panic leads to political pressure to "decarbonize" the world? The usual dance about "what does that mean", or "we can do that in another way". If I didn't laugh about this, I would cry about it.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Energy-Transition-Forces-LNG-Industry-To-Cut-Emissions.html

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8 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Then  you have Iran and Venezuela forming some type of alliance, this oil production puzzle could turn into a real chit show...

The two international pariahs with oil to sell which no one will touch. Sounds familiar, but if Iran can concede on their major principles, Biden might get a deal with Iran.

I would not hold my breath over a possible Iran deal, the gap between the sides is astronomical.

But yes, oil production could swell up, and make it the indispensable transportation fuel it always has been.

The IEA has essentially acknowledged this by reversing themselves and calling for a massive increase in oil production.

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On 4/23/2021 at 2:04 AM, Jay McKinsey said:

The country and our economy is going to go through the roof with all the new investment. Thermal solar towers were indeed a mistake that occurred before the exponential cost decline of solar panels. No more will be built and when their contract runs out they will be shut down and replaced with standard panels. Technological advancement usually has a few dead ends along the way to success. Anyway if this is what you are going to try and hang your hat on, expect to be picking it up off of the ground because Ivanpah and Crescent Dunes have nothing to do with the future.

Such mistakes also happen in the fossil industry. A good example is the Inland Empire Energy Center which is being demolished after just a few years in operation because its turbines were a dead end design. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ge-power/general-electric-to-scrap-california-power-plant-20-years-early-idUSKCN1TM2MV

Obama spent around 5 billion trying to help coal go clean. The world has spent hundreds of billions on wars deciding who gets to pump oil. Any loss on a replacement for FF is trivial in comparison. Energy will be a two trillion market by 2030 per year so these political themed stories for a few hundred million in lost ventures seem kinda of silly. 
Once again let’s remind ourselves of the tremendous health care costs to 7 billion humans breathing those emissions. The idea all green ideas should stop so we could commit to a 100% FF future is about the stupidest thing I have heard since Republicans screamed drill baby drill on the capital steps some 15 years ago.

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16 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

The two international pariahs with oil to sell which no one will touch. Sounds familiar, but if Iran can concede on their major principles, Biden might get a deal with Iran.

I would not hold my breath over a possible Iran deal, the gap between the sides is astronomical.

But yes, oil production could swell up, and make it the indispensable transportation fuel it always has been.

The IEA has essentially acknowledged this by reversing themselves and calling for a massive increase in oil production.

Big business and politicians continue to support Venezuela in the US. Their refineries still run and they distribute petroleum products across the US. So why does this happen? Why does foreign oil influence still dominate in our market? 
I can buy the idea of an N American oil independence. But offshore sales that add pollution for a few bucks to an international market is a waste of resources, drives up healthcare costs and threatens the environment. 

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1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

I see that, Hybrids have real potential to make in roads...yet they cannot even scratch the surface of gas powered transportation...They actually make inroads at $4 a gallon for gas.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28262444/toyota-rav4-hybrid-prius-sales/

In Q1 of this year hybrids accounted for 23% of all Toyota North America sales. That seems like a pretty deep scratch to me. 

Oh yeah, half of all Prius sales are now plug-in. 

https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-motor-north-america-reports-march-2021-u-s-sales/

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4 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

How would you know, Jay?  You are still putt-putting around in an ICE vehicle which you own. 

Going forward, EV's will continue to be second or third family vehicles, with the ICE vehicles in first and second place in actual use for a family. The EV's will just be show-vehicles for well-off Americans to display their progressive intentions and sense of community responsibility.

I'd be impressed as would most of the 70% of Americans who are interested in EVs. Customers like the idea of a local businessman showing "community responsibility".

More significant is the level of interest in EVs—71 percent of U.S. drivers say they would consider buying one at some point in the future, with nearly a third indicating interest in an EV for their next vehicle purchase. More than 70 percent of those surveyed agree EVs would reduce air or climate pollution, and that automakers should offer other vehicle types, such as plug-in electric pickups and SUVs, alongside their car EV models. https://www.consumerreports.org/hybrids-evs/cr-survey-shows-strong-interest-in-evs/

Again you have it backwards. The EV will be the daily driver / commuter and the ICE will be the weekend car, for a while longer. 

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11 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Pulling up in a new Ford Lighting will certainly impress your customers. 

After looking at capacities and pulling weights, and no 8' bed.....waste of money... up to 95k fully loaded...Ouch!!!

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11 hours ago, Boat said:

Big business and politicians continue to support Venezuela in the US. Their refineries still run and they distribute petroleum products across the US. So why does this happen? Why does foreign oil influence still dominate in our market? 
I can buy the idea of an N American oil independence. But offshore sales that add pollution for a few bucks to an international market is a waste of resources, drives up healthcare costs and threatens the environment. 

What is your definition of "pollution"?  

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The IEA is in an analytical quagmire of  conflicting impulses, asking for no oil production one week, and then asking for rapid increase in oil production the next week. But what else would you expect from a policy direction supported by a discredited junk science? 

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/IEA-Sees-Oil-Demand-Hitting-1006-Million-Bpd-By-End-2022.html

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Further evidence that the battery revolution will only succeed if governments force a mandate to buy batteries and ban the sale of natural gas and oil...in other words, government takes control of the market and disallows individual choice for citizens. That is where this Green nonsense is taking us.

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Fuel-Cells/The-Biggest-Threat-To-Europes-Battery-Boom.html

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13 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

What is your definition of "pollution"?  

The shyt that comes out of car tailpipes and refinery smokestacks. YouTube chemtool fire to see more pollution as a refinery blows up. 
I wonder those living down wind will want that refinery replaced.

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1 minute ago, Boat said:

The shyt that comes out of car tailpipes and refinery smokestacks. YouTube chemtool fire to see more pollution as a refinery blows up. 

Those are controllable.

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3 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Those are controllable.

You know so little about FF pollution. Google deaths from pollution in any large city. Google US and world flaring. Google health impacts and healthcare costs from pollution, by state and by country. 

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

Further evidence that the battery revolution will only succeed if governments force a mandate to buy batteries and ban the sale of natural gas and oil...in other words, government takes control of the market and disallows individual choice for citizens. That is where this Green nonsense is taking us.

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Fuel-Cells/The-Biggest-Threat-To-Europes-Battery-Boom.html

Yes, the gov't is going to take away your choice to release polluting emissions that harm your fellow citizens. Say bye, bye to ICE.

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9 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Those are controllable.

You are correct, tailpipe and refinery emissions can be controlled, by a device called an EV. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Boat said:

You know so little about FF pollution. Google deaths from pollution in any large city. Google US and world flaring. Google health impacts and healthcare costs from pollution, by state and by country. 

They are all controllable.

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3 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

You are correct, tailpipe and refinery emissions can be controlled, by a device called an EV. 

 

Not necessary to waste our time and money on EV's which is why you drive an ICE, like me.

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8 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Yes, the gov't is going to take away your choice to release polluting emissions. Say bye, bye to ICE.

"Polluting"?  No, those tailpipes are controllable.

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Demand for oil is rising by the month, breaking through the mandated barriers for production consistent with the climate alarmist's predictions. Reality is taking over.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Two-Top-Commodity-Traders-Bet-Big-On-The-Future-Of-Oil.html

"we are all witnessing how fast oil demand is rebounding in key consuming markets. Brent crude is trading at more than $72 per barrel, and even West Texas Intermediate this week crossed the $70 threshold. There is already talk about $100 oil. Forecasts may need to be revised."

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What is really exciting about that T&E report is the growth of battery capacity that Europe has in the pipeline. Though It is a typical policy based growth curve analysis that always underestimates reality. Note how they flatten the EV growth curve from this year. That curve isn't going to flatten.

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https://www.transportenvironment.org/press/europe-risks-wasting-€27bn-battery-opportunity-weak-co2-targets-study

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