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3 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

You quoted about horses, read again....myopic dead-end nonsense.

 

21 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Ecocharger doesn't need no stinkin' power plants to burn his coal. He is betting on the coal fired pizza industry to drive US coal demand.  I prefer wood fired deep dish.

No, nothing about horses. I think you are the one with myopia. 

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4 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

 

No, nothing about horses. I think you are the one with myopia. 

Word for word from your own quoted section,

"U.S. Equine Population During
Mechanization of Agriculture
and Transportation
Year Number of Horses and Mules
1900 21,531,635
1905 22,077,000
1910 24,042,882
1915 26,493,000
1920 25,199,552
1925 22,081,520
1930 18,885,856
1935 16,676,000
1940 13,931,531
1945 11,629,000
1950 7,604,000
1955 4,309,000
1960 3,089,000"

You forget easily. And stubborn as a ......

 

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On 7/20/2021 at 9:22 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

Tesla Model 3 Is Outright Bestselling Vehicle (of any kind) In UK – Plugin EVs take 17.2% Share. The UK saw plugin electric vehicles take 17.2% share of the auto market in June 2021, up from 9.5% in June 2020. The Tesla Model 3 was the UK's overall best selling vehicle (of any powertrain) in the month, with 5,468 units sold. 

BEV outsold diesel by 30%!

June-2021-UK-Passenger-Auto-Registrations-SQ.png

 

Here is your basic problem, a fatal one, here is the bottom-line "ouch" to your broken-record EV obsession,

""Nearly half of Americans - 46% - believe EVs are not worth the cost, the survey showed, with opinions again reflecting a political divide. EVs have a higher sticker price than comparable gasoline models, largely due to costly batteries.When asked to consider buying a new truck, only a minority said they would search for one that minimizes its impact on the environment. Thirty-eight percent said they would look first for an efficient truck that costs less to operate. Another 34% said they wanted a durable truck, and only about 19% said they wanted an environmentally friendly one.""

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2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

And here is your bottom-line "ouch" to your broken-record EV obsession,

""Nearly half of Americans - 46% - believe EVs are not worth the cost, the survey showed, with opinions again reflecting a political divide. EVs have a higher sticker price than comparable gasoline models, largely due to costly batteries.When asked to consider buying a new truck, only a minority said they would search for one that minimizes its impact on the environment. Thirty-eight percent said they would look first for an efficient truck that costs less to operate. Another 34% said they wanted a durable truck, and only about 19% said they wanted an environmentally friendly one.""

By the time we get to selling to the last 46% the EV cost will be lower than ICE. Then with EVs high efficiency and low operating we will sell to the 38%. By the time that segment is satisfied then EVs will have proven their durability and we will sell to the 34%. It is all a process. We convince segments of the market as we move along the growth curve. Don't need to convince them all at the beginning. 

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17 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Word for word from your own quoted section,

"U.S. Equine Population During
Mechanization of Agriculture
and Transportation
Year Number of Horses and Mules
1900 21,531,635
1905 22,077,000
1910 24,042,882
1915 26,493,000
1920 25,199,552
1925 22,081,520
1930 18,885,856
1935 16,676,000
1940 13,931,531
1945 11,629,000
1950 7,604,000
1955 4,309,000
1960 3,089,000"

You forget easily. And stubborn as a ......

 

You are definitely suffering brain fart induced myopia. You went all the way back to the post but didn't notice that it was @notsonice who posted that text. I was replying to him.

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

By the time we get to selling to the last 46% the EV cost will be lower than ICE. Then with EVs high efficiency and low operating we will sell to the 38%. By the time that segment is satisfied then EVs will have proven their durability and we will sell to the 34%. It is all a process. We convince segments of the market as we move along the growth curve. Don't need to convince them all at the beginning. 

Jay, those are all dreams you are dreaming. The reality is that EVs do not excite anyone's imagination, even your own.

You are still driving an ICE, and so am I, which is the wise thing to do.

You and I will still be driving ICE vehicles ten years from now......enjoy, and do not be ashamed because of that CO2 prattle.

It is all nonsense.

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

You are definitely suffering brain fart induced myopia. You went all the way back to the post but didn't notice that it was @notsonice who posted that text. I was replying to him.

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Of course I noticed who posted it, but you quoted it, which is what I claimed. What part of that is odd to you?

What is that old saying...stubborn as a ....

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40 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Jay, those are all dreams you are dreaming. The reality is that EVs do not excite anyone's imagination, even your own.

You are still driving an ICE, and so am I, which is the wise thing to do.

You and I will still be driving ICE vehicles ten years from now......enjoy, and do not be ashamed because of that CO2 prattle.

It is all nonsense.

Oh of course, that explains why US BEV sales only grew by 255% last quarter. And Cox Automotive found only 30 percent of consumers either “extremely or very likely” to consider an EV for their next vehicle purchase. 

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What are you going to do as EV sales just keep going up and up and up? 

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46 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Oh of course, that explains why US BEV sales only grew by 255% last quarter. And Cox Automotive found only 30 percent of consumers either “extremely or very likely” to consider an EV for their next vehicle purchase. 

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What are you going to do as EV sales just keep going up and up and up? 

Here is what is really going on, Jay. You and I are driving ICE vehicles, we are smart guys. Your own figures above show that EVs are a tiny percentage of the vehicle stock and only 8.5 % of sales.

"We see a widening gap between rhetoric and what is happening in real life," the IEA's Fatih Birol said earlier this month. "So many governments are coming with net-zero targets by 2050 and the same year CO2 emissions are growing and it will be the second-largest increase in history."

Here is another reason to drive ICE,

"https://allev.info/2021/07/early-chevy-bolts-much-more-likely-to-catch-fire-than-a-gas-car/"

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On 7/16/2021 at 4:25 AM, Jay McKinsey said:

Can you point me to something on the solar model? I'm not finding anything.

Can I point you to something on the solar model? Jay, I have been pointing you to vast amounts of scientific research, there is nothing new about that.

Here is a recent article, Jay. Adds to the growing body of research science on solar variables and their impact on earth temperature.

Oh, and, of course, it passed peer review with flying colors.

https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/75534

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By vast amounts you mean 4 papers now, one of which had been retracted.

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1 hour ago, Ecocharger said:

Here is what is really going on, Jay. You and I are driving ICE vehicles, we are smart guys. Your own figures above show that EVs are a tiny percentage of the vehicle stock and only 8.5 % of sales.

"We see a widening gap between rhetoric and what is happening in real life," the IEA's Fatih Birol said earlier this month. "So many governments are coming with net-zero targets by 2050 and the same year CO2 emissions are growing and it will be the second-largest increase in history."

Here is another reason to drive ICE,

"https://allev.info/2021/07/early-chevy-bolts-much-more-likely-to-catch-fire-than-a-gas-car/"

That was the old model. Noteworthy because it was the only BEV ever to be more flammable than ICE.

New model:

Chevy Bolt EV Sales Rocket 335 Percent During Q2 2021

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7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

By vast amounts you mean 4 papers now, one of which had been retracted.

It was not retracted. I explained that to you above.

Zharkova's work is startling and beyond reproach.

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7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

That was the old model. Noteworthy because it was the only BEV ever to be more flammable than ICE.

New model:

Chevy Bolt EV Sales Rocket 335 Percent During Q2 2021

Again, you are relying on "percentages" with a low base, an old routine.

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3 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

It was not retracted. I explained that to you above.

And your explanation was invalid.

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1 minute ago, Jay McKinsey said:

And your explanation was invalid.

It was valid. If a retraction process is ignored, it is not a retraction.

Doesn't matter if it is mislabeled "retraction",

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1 minute ago, Ecocharger said:

Again, you are relying on "percentages" with a low base, an old routine.

The EV growth onslaught is beginning. That low base won't be low for long.

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7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

That was the old model. Noteworthy because it was the only BEV ever to be more flammable than ICE.

New model:

Chevy Bolt EV Sales Rocket 335 Percent During Q2 2021

Here is the big picture,

EVs are a tiny percentage of the vehicle stock and only 8.5 % of sales.

"We see a widening gap between rhetoric and what is happening in real life," the IEA's Fatih Birol said earlier this month. "So many governments are coming with net-zero targets by 2050 and the same year CO2 emissions are growing and it will be the second-largest increase in history.""

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2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The EV growth onslaught is beginning. That low base won't be low for long.

It is low now, my point stands. 

And your own driving choice is to go with the ICE, a wise choice.

 

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8 minutes ago, Ecocharger said:

Here is the big picture,

EVs are a tiny percentage of the vehicle stock and only 8.5 % of sales.

"We see a widening gap between rhetoric and what is happening in real life," the IEA's Fatih Birol said earlier this month. "So many governments are coming with net-zero targets by 2050 and the same year CO2 emissions are growing and it will be the second-largest increase in history.""

The big picture is that hundreds of billions of dollars are being invested in battery and EV production, country after country is announcing the end of ICE sales and auto maker after auto maker is announcing the end of ICE vehicle development. ICE is end of life.

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2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The big picture is that hundreds of billions of dollars are being invested in battery and EV production, country after country is announcing the end of ICE sales and auto maker after auto maker is announcing the end of ICE vehicle development. ICE is end of life.

No one is expecting that, peak demand oil now pushed forward to 2030 or later, fossil fuel energy source at 80% for the foreseeable future.

You and I have put our money into fossil fuel transportation, very wise move.

"We see a widening gap between rhetoric and what is happening in real life," the IEA's Fatih Birol said earlier this month. "So many governments are coming with net-zero targets by 2050 and the same year CO2 emissions are growing and it will be the second-largest increase in history.""

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4 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

No one is expecting that, peak demand oil now pushed forward to 2030 or later, fossil fuel energy source at 80% for the foreseeable future.

You and I have put our money into fossil fuel transportation, very wise move.

"We see a widening gap between rhetoric and what is happening in real life," the IEA's Fatih Birol said earlier this month. "So many governments are coming with net-zero targets by 2050 and the same year CO2 emissions are growing and it will be the second-largest increase in history.""

No one you say? From today's news:

Ernst & Young, one of the venerable Big Four accounting firms, now predicts that EV sales in the US, China and Europe will surpass those of fossil-powered vehicles five years sooner than previously expected.

Ernst and Young predicts that EV sales in Europe will surpass those of legacy vehicles by 2028. China will follow by 2033 and the US will bring up the rear, achieving a majority of EV sales by 2036. Fossil fuel-powered vehicles will represent less than 1% of global sales by 2045, taking their place alongside sailboats and horses as nostalgic vestiges of historical technologies. https://cleantechnica.com/2021/07/22/ernst-young-electric-cars-are-coming-sooner-than-expected/

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Press Release from Mercedes Benz:

Mercedes-Benz prepares to go all-electric

 

  • All newly launched architectures will be electric-only from 2025 onwards.
  • In 2025 Mercedes-Benz will launch three electric-only architectures.
  • Mercedes-Benz will be ready to go all electric at the end of the decade, where market conditions allow.
  • Mercedes-Benz to install battery cell capacity of more than 200 Gigawatt hours with partners, plans for eight Gigafactories.
  • New partnerships for development and production of battery cells in Europe.
  • Efficiency of electric drivetrains to be enhanced through vertical integration and the acquisition of YASA, a specialist in ultra-high performance axial flux motors.
  • Plug & Charge to introduce seamless charging without extra steps needed for authentication and payment. Mercedes me Charge to have more than 530,000 AC and DC charging points worldwide.
  • Acceleration of electrification ramp-up marks a radical shift in capital allocation.
  • Mercedes-Benz is committed to its margin targets – also in a BEV-world.

Stuttgart (Germany) – Mercedes-Benz is getting ready to go all electric by the end of the decade, where market conditions allow. Shifting from electric-first to electric-only, the world’s pre-eminent luxury car company is accelerating toward an emissions-free and software-driven future.

By 2022, Mercedes-Benz will have battery electric vehicles (BEV) in all segments the company serves. From 2025 onwards, all newly launched vehicle architectures will be electric-only and customers will be able to choose an all-electric alternative for every model the company makes. Mercedes-Benz intends to manage this accelerated transformation while sticking to its profitability targets.

“The EV shift is picking up speed - especially in the luxury segment, where Mercedes-Benz belongs. The tipping point is getting closer and we will be ready as markets switch to electric-only by the end of this decade,” said Ola Källenius, CEO of Daimler AG and Mercedes-Benz AG. “This step marks a profound reallocation of capital. By managing this faster transformation while safeguarding our profitability targets, we will ensure the enduring success of Mercedes-Benz. Thanks to our highly qualified and motivated workforce,
I am convinced that we will be successful in this exciting new era.”

To facilitate this shift, Mercedes-Benz is unveiling a comprehensive plan which includes significantly accelerating R&D. In total, investments into battery electric vehicles between 2022 and 2030 will amount to over €40 billion. Accelerating and advancing the EV portfolio plan will bring forward the tipping point for EV adoption.

https://media.daimler.com/marsMediaSite/en/instance/ko.xhtml?oid=50834319&relId=1001&resultInfoTypeId=172#prevId=49596657

 

 

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17 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Oh of course, that explains why US BEV sales only grew by 255% last quarter. And Cox Automotive found only 30 percent of consumers either “extremely or very likely” to consider an EV for their next vehicle purchase. 

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What are you going to do as EV sales just keep going up and up and up? 

Has GM shipped that many of those small ev's to China? 255% of what? US sales or EU? Hmm GM does not mfg those small ev's do they? Where are they made...This should be interesting.

https://insideevs.com/news/515422/us-bev-sales-april-2021/

US: BEV Market Nearly Doubled Through April 2021

The all-electric car segment is booming in the U.S., according to the latest report on car registration from Experian (via Automotive News).

During the first four months (January-April) of this year some 133,509 new BEVs were registered, which is 95% more than a year earlier (about 68,466).

The growth of the all-electric segment is three times higher than the overall market, which increased 36%. It allowed an expansion of BEV market share from 1.6% in 2020 to 2.3%.

The data reveals that the most popular model is the Tesla Model Y, followed by the Tesla Model 3, which however decreased slightly year-over-year:

In terms of geographical results - California accounts for 38% of all BEV registrations, which is significantly less than a year ago (45%). It's interesting because registrations in California increased 64% year-over-year. Other states probably are expanding much faster.

The second biggest market is Florida (7.2% share in BEV segment), followed by Texas (5.9%).

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9 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said:

Has GM shipped that many of thUose small ev's to China? 255% of what? US sales or EU? Hmm GM does not mfg those small ev's do they? Where are they made...This should be interesting.

You and that conservative confusion.

The first sentence I wrote and the graphic clearly says "U.S."

The small EVs you are referring to are not part of my post or a part of US sales. However GM manufactures the MiniEV in China as part of a joint venture with SAIC.

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1 minute ago, Jay McKinsey said:

You and that conservative confusion.

The graphic clearly says "U.S."

The small EVs you are referring to are not part of my post or a part of US sales. However GM manufactures the MiniEV in China as part of a joint venture with SAIC.

Do enlighten me as to this 255% value...you know 8th grade stuff...LMAO.

The growth of the all-electric segment is three times higher than the overall market, which increased 36%. It allowed an expansion of BEV market share from 1.6% in 2020 to 2.3%.

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