TailingsPond + 468 GE June 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Ron Wagner said: The voters will judge that in November. The EV revolution is limited by fossil fuel producers worldwide and by the costs involved in switching. It will be a slow and difficult road and none of us will be alive to see it near completion worldwide. Don't be silly, the cult doesn't care about the votes. The trump coup attempt was real; and you were, and remain, a sucker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 June 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ford Mustang Mach-E Is No Longer Profitable For The Blue Oval Commodity cost has wiped that out so, from a bottom line standpoint.” And if you read the underlying article you will see that they never planned on it being profitable from day one. Now they have to get it to scale as planned to achieve sustainable profitability as is normal. Back in March, Ford CFO John Lawler admitted that the automaker’s all-electric vehicles wouldn’t be profitable until the second generation arrived, but the Ford Mustang Mach-E proved to be an exception to that rule early on with the EV crossover was turning a profit from the day it launched, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 468 GE June 28, 2022 18 minutes ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Ford Mustang Mach-E Is No Longer Profitable For The Blue Oval Commodity cost has wiped that out so, from a bottom line standpoint.” Ford has had several ICE flops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 28, 2022 6 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Well then according to you all road vehicles amount to only a pin prick. Oh you keep forgetting to add rockets and aircraft carriers and submarines to your dumb proposition. Oh wait, aircraft carriers are EVs and so are submarines and the Mars rovers. Goods and services transportation. Less than 1% of the value. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 28, 2022 6 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Reality says you are incompetent with data analysis as usual. Cobalt is decreasing in price and it never even exceeded its 2018 high. Oh and let's look at Nickel. Wow, it is way down. Lithium peaked three months ago. The price of copper is crashingL Lithium is up 400% on the year. More to follow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: And if you read the underlying article you will see that they never planned on it being profitable from day one. Now they have to get it to scale as planned to achieve sustainable profitability as is normal. Back in March, Ford CFO John Lawler admitted that the automaker’s all-electric vehicles wouldn’t be profitable until the second generation arrived, but the Ford Mustang Mach-E proved to be an exception to that rule early on with the EV crossover was turning a profit from the day it launched, They will never make profitability with rising input costs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Ecocharger said: Lithium is up 400% on the year. More to follow. And now going down along with the other inputs. EV sales however are skyrocketing. 4 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Goods and services transportation. Less than 1% of the value. Oh aircraft carriers, submarines and Mar's rovers are all services transportation. Keep making a fool of yourself for all to see. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 June 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: They will never make profitability with rising input costs. Tesla does which means that Ford can also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 28, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: And now going down along with the other inputs. EV sales however are skyrocketing. Oh aircraft carriers, submarines and Mar's rovers are all services transportation. Keep making a fool of yourself for all to see. Yah, I saw a submarine delivering a package on this street the other day, accompanied by an aircraft carrier and a Tesla Mars vehicle. Go slow, Jay, one thing at a time. And dream about that economics degree which never happened. Edited June 28, 2022 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 28, 2022 (edited) Meanwhile, in the real world, Europe has started the process of backtracking and increasing fossil fuel production, putting the Green Dream on permanent hold. https://www.reuters.com/world/g7-leaders-debate-fossil-fuel-investments-amid-energy-crisis-sources-2022-06-26/ "Some of the leaders of the Group of Seven (G7) rich democracies are pushing for an acknowledgement of the need for new financing for fossil energies investments, two sources told Reuters on Sunday, as European states scramble to diversify supplies." Edited June 28, 2022 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: Tesla does which means that Ford can also. We will see when lithium gets banned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 June 28, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Yah, I saw a submarine delivering a package on this street the other day, accompanied by an aircraft carrier and a Tesla Mars vehicle. Go slow, Jay, one thing at a time. And dream about that economics degree which never happened. Military protection is a service provided by the government, in fact you might even have noticed that the military is called "the service" and Mar's rovers are scientific services. It is a simple concept for real economists to understand. If you had ever studied economics you would know how important government services are to the economy. Edited June 28, 2022 by Jay McKinsey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 June 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: We will see when lithium gets banned. No one is proposing a ban on Lithium. You really do struggle with reading comprehension. The Commission’s consideration of lithium as a toxic substance is based on a report published by the European Chemicals Agency (ECHA), which deems multiple lithium subgroups as known or “potential hazard[s] for reproductive toxicity.” Chinese SMM News explains that the ECHA report, if acted on by the European Commission, would not outright ban lithium imports, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 468 GE June 28, 2022 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Ecocharger said: Yah, I saw a submarine delivering a package on this street the other day, accompanied by an aircraft carrier and a Tesla Mars vehicle. Go slow, Jay, one thing at a time. And dream about that economics degree which never happened. The Amazon, etc. drones will be EV's. Yes, it is "last mile" type delivery but it is really happening. Soon your pizza will be delivered by a e-drone instead of a loser with a ICE car. Edited June 28, 2022 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,068 DM June 28, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, TailingsPond said: The Amazon, etc. drones will be EV's. Yes, it is "last mile" type delivery but it is really happening. Soon your pizza will be delivered by a e-drone instead of a loser with a ICE car. Soon your pizza will be delivered by a e-drone instead of a loser with a ICE car.???? be nice, Ecochump will be out of work if you replace him with an e-drone Edited June 28, 2022 by notsonice 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,068 DM June 28, 2022 10 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: Reality says you are incompetent with data analysis as usual. Cobalt is decreasing in price and it never even exceeded its 2018 high. Oh and let's look at Nickel. Wow, it is way down. Lithium peaked three months ago. The price of copper is crashingL Fed chairman just ended the commodities super-cycle. His next rate increase will devastate commodities including oil $90 oil by Thanksgiving????? $80 by Xmas????? anyone want to toss down where they think oil will end in 2022???? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 28, 2022 4 hours ago, notsonice said: Soon your pizza will be delivered by a e-drone instead of a loser with a ICE car.???? be nice, Ecochump will be out of work if you replace him with an e-drone Just put a dock into your pond in front of your house, the submarine can tie up there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 28, 2022 4 hours ago, notsonice said: Fed chairman just ended the commodities super-cycle. His next rate increase will devastate commodities including oil $90 oil by Thanksgiving????? $80 by Xmas????? anyone want to toss down where they think oil will end in 2022???? You are far removed from any intelligent market analysis...but no surprise there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 28, 2022 (edited) India is desperately trying to ramp up coal output. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/India-Coal-Crisis-Is-Far-From-Over.html "India is facing a “severe and protracted” power crisis due to the price inflation of coal, which the country uses to generate as much as 75 percent of its power, Indian media report, citing S&P Global Commodity Insights. India found itself in the middle of a power shortage as several factors combined, including rising coal prices, which discouraged imports, leaving stockpiles at critically low levels, and a heat wave that pushed demand earlier this year much higher. The country is working on boosting its domestic production, and this went up by 28.6 percent in financial 2021/22, which ended on May 31. This was a record high, at 777 million tons. However, boosting domestic coal production to a level of self-sufficiency will take a long time, which coal is needed now to power the economy." Edited June 28, 2022 by Ecocharger 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 28, 2022 7 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: No one is proposing a ban on Lithium. You really do struggle with reading comprehension. The Commission’s consideration of lithium as a toxic substance is based on a report published by the European Chemicals Agency (ECHA), which deems multiple lithium subgroups as known or “potential hazard[s] for reproductive toxicity.” Chinese SMM News explains that the ECHA report, if acted on by the European Commission, would not outright ban lithium imports, Ban on production and probable controls on lithium usage. Fatal for EVs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL June 28, 2022 (edited) More bad news for the Green Dreamers, fossil fuel usage is skyrocketing. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/World-Energy-Demand-Jumped-Above-Pre-COVID-Levels-In-2021.html "BP Statistical Review of World Energy: primary energy in 2021 grew by its largest amount in history. Emerging economies accounted for most of the increase. The level of fossil fuel energy consumption globally remained unchanged between 2019 and 2021." "...carbon equivalent emissions from energy (including methane), industrial processes, and flaring increased by 5.7% last year.” " The pathetic climate models which are driving the current climate panic have been exposed as poorly defined and inaccurately specified.. Edited June 28, 2022 by Ecocharger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polyphia + 68 LT June 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: More bad news for the Green Dreamers, fossil fuel usage is skyrocketing. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/World-Energy-Demand-Jumped-Above-Pre-COVID-Levels-In-2021.html "BP Statistical Review of World Energy: primary energy in 2021 grew by its largest amount in history. Emerging economies accounted for most of the increase. The level of fossil fuel energy consumption globally remained unchanged between 2019 and 2021." "...carbon equivalent emissions from energy (including methane), industrial processes, and flaring increased by 5.7% last year.” " The pathetic climate models which are driving the current climate panic have been exposed as poorly defined and inaccurately specified.. Per your linked article: "The rise in primary energy between 2019 and 2021 was entirely driven by renewable energy sources. The level of fossil fuel energy consumption globally remained unchanged between 2019 and 2021, with lower oil demand offset by higher natural gas and coal consumption, according to BP." 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 June 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ecocharger said: More bad news for the Green Dreamers, fossil fuel usage is skyrocketing. The level of fossil fuel energy consumption globally remained unchanged between 2019 and 2021." You don't even pay attention to your own claim being disproven by your own post. How sad. Edited June 28, 2022 by Jay McKinsey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TailingsPond + 468 GE June 28, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ecocharger said: India is desperately trying to ramp up coal output. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/India-Coal-Crisis-Is-Far-From-Over.html "India is facing a “severe and protracted” power crisis due to the price inflation of coal, which the country uses to generate as much as 75 percent of its power, Indian media report, citing S&P Global Commodity Insights. India found itself in the middle of a power shortage as several factors combined, including rising coal prices, which discouraged imports, leaving stockpiles at critically low levels, and a heat wave that pushed demand earlier this year much higher. The country is working on boosting its domestic production, and this went up by 28.6 percent in financial 2021/22, which ended on May 31. This was a record high, at 777 million tons. However, boosting domestic coal production to a level of self-sufficiency will take a long time, which coal is needed now to power the economy." Coal is too expensive. Not good for coal when its only advantage is being cheap. Damn coal causing a "severe and protracted power crisis." Edited June 28, 2022 by TailingsPond 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 June 28, 2022 15,000 Tesla vehicles are already in the hands of Uber drivers through Hertz deal Last year, Hertz announced an important effort to electrify its fleet of rental cars, led by a massive purchase of 100,000 Tesla Model 3 vehicles to be delivered over the next year. Shortly after, Hertz announced that on top of adding Tesla vehicles to its rental fleet, the company also made a deal with Uber to offer its drivers access to the Tesla vehicles. 50,000 Tesla vehicles will be offered for rent to Uber drivers, and the company has an option for more if the program is successful. Today, Andrew Macdonald, Uber’s senior vice president of mobility and business operations, announced that already 15,000 Uber drivers have rented Tesla vehicles through the program: To date, more than 15,000 drivers have rented a Tesla through this program – and they’re making a real impact. Together they’ve completed more than five million fully-electric trips and driven over 40 million electric miles. The program appears to be a success with driver satisfaction being high. Uber drivers pay only $334 a week to rent a Tesla Model 3, insurance and maintenance included, and some drivers are reporting over $160 a week in gas savings alone. Manuel Barros, an Uber driver in Boston and one of the first to take advantage of the Tesla rental program, said: When I had a gas car, I would spend $25-30 dollars a day [on gasoline]. I’m saving almost $160 a week, if not more, driving an electric vehicle. On top of the gas savings compensating for the renting cost, Uber gives an extra $1 per trip to drivers of battery-electric vehicles for up to $4,000 per year, and it recently launched the “Comfort Electric” option that pays drivers more when Uber users choose an electric ride. Uber also reports some interesting statistics, like the fact that 95% of drivers renting a Tesla through Hertz are driving electric on the Uber platform for the first time, and 92% of them say they are considering purchasing an electric vehicle since participating in the program. Raphael Veira, who drives for Uber in Los Angeles, commented: I was always curious as to how an electric vehicle could handle the mileage you put on your car when doing Uber. It handles the mileage really well. I want to buy a [Tesla] Model S eventually. And this was a perfect opportunity to see how they drive. The program for Uber drivers to rent Tesla vehicles through Hertz is now available in the following cities: Atlanta Austin Boston Charlotte Chicago Cleveland Connecticut Dallas Denver Detroit Houston Jacksonville Las Vegas Los Angeles Miami Minneapolis – St. Paul Nashville New Jersey New Orleans NYC suburbs Orlando Philadelphia Phoenix Portland Sacramento San Antonio San Diego San Francisco Seattle St Louis Tampa Bay Washington, DC 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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