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Washington Post:  Liz Cheney plans lengthy fight over Trump's dominance of the Republican Party

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cheney-trump-mccarthy-republicans/2021/05/08/12e6c41e-adcf-11eb-acd3-24b44a57093a_story.html

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Rep. Liz Cheney had been arguing for months that Republicans had to face the truth about former president Donald Trump — that he had lied about the 2020 election result and bore responsibility for the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol — when the Wyoming Republican sat down at a party retreat in April to listen to a polling briefing.

The refusal to accept reality, she realized, went much deeper.

When staff from the National Republican Congressional Committee rose to explain the party’s latest polling in core battleground districts, they left out a key finding about Trump’s weakness, declining to divulge the information even when directly questioned about Trump’s support by a member of Congress, according to two people familiar with what transpired.

Trump’s unfavorable ratings were 15 points higher than his favorable ones in the core districts, according to the full polling results, which were later obtained by The Washington Post. Nearly twice as many voters had a strongly unfavorable view of the former president as had a strongly favorable one.

Cheney was alarmed, she later told others, in part because Republican campaign officials had also left out bad Trump polling news at a March retreat for ranking committee chairs. Both instances, she concluded, demonstrated that party leadership was willing to hide information from their own members to avoid the truth about Trump and the possible damage he could do to Republican House members, even though the NRCC denied any such agenda.

Those behind-the-scenes episodes were part of a months-long dispute over Republican principles that has raged among House leaders and across the broader GOP landscape. That dispute is expected to culminate next week with a vote to remove Cheney from her position as the third-ranking House Republican.

At issue: Should the Republican Party continue to defend Trump’s actions and parrot his falsehoods, given his overwhelming support among GOP voters? Or does the party and its leaders need to directly confront the damage he has done?

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Washington Examiner: On policy, Liz Cheney is more of a Trump Republican than Elise Stefanik

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/on-policy-liz-cheney-is-more-of-a-trump-republican-than-elise-stefanik

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House Republicans want to oust Rep. Liz Cheney from her position as chairwoman of the caucus and replace her with Rep. Elise Stefanik, a younger, much more Trump-friendly Republican. The irony is that Stefanik's voting record doesn’t even line up with the “America First” agenda Trump Republicans claim to care about.

Former President Donald Trump endorsed Stefanik this week, calling her a “far superior choice” to the “warmongering” Cheney. Apparently, Trump believes Stefanik prioritizes “the values of America First.” What those values are, he probably couldn’t even say. But to the typical Trump voter, “America First” means a few things: protecting American workers via immigration policy, keeping Americans out of unnecessary foreign conflicts, and fighting for conservative causes at home on the culture war front.

Stefanik doesn’t line up with any of these policies. She voted against Trump’s withdrawal from Afghanistan and even earned the praise of John Bolton back in 2017. She opposed Trump’s 2017 tax cut package and happily supported extensions of the Export-Import Bank. She voted to reenter the Paris climate accord and end the border emergency declaration that had allowed Trump to begin construction of the southern border wall. And she voted for the Equality Act, a radical piece of legislation that would force religious people to bow down to the Left’s gender ideology or face legal consequences.

Stefanik opposed Trump’s agenda more often than most House Republicans, including Cheney. In fact, Cheney voted alongside Trump 92.9% of the time, whereas Stefanik voted with him only 77.7% of the time. But Stefanik passed the one litmus test that matters: She’s personally loyal to Trump.

This is the exact problem Cheney has been warning her fellow Republicans about. If the party is driven more by personality than policy, it will lose voters and power because it will have nothing of substance to give to the base. The GOP needs to choose: Pursue policies that appeal to a wide range of voters or cater to the whims of a man who isn’t even in office and likely won’t be again.

Republicans can’t have it both ways — Trump has made sure of that.

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Kinzinger rips GOP colleagues for push to oust Cheney: 'This is lies versus truth'
https://www.aol.com/news/kinzinger-rips-gop-colleagues-over-171146274.html

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"If you want to hide because you don't want to tick off the base and you don't want to tell the truth about Jan. 6 and you don't want to have to admit that Joe Biden won an election, Cheney makes it uncomfortable for you," Kinzinger said Monday. "Because when she's asked about it she doesn't dance around; she just says the election wasn't stolen, Biden was president, and Jan. 6 was a Trump-inspired insurrection.

"When it comes down to it, that's what Liz Cheney is being removed for — for making it uncomfortable and being consistent," he continued. "And God bless her for having the consistency to tell the truth.

"The one person continually bringing all this back up is not Liz Cheney, it's Donald Trump," Kinzinger added. "He's the one that keeps talking about 'The Big Lie' and the stolen election. He's the one that's not unifying. But of course, he's out of power, he's a loser, but he's the one a lot of people fear."

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I am one here who can actually have a vote to determine her future in politics.

I intend to support a candidate that tells the truth, rather than spin a lie that some on this forum believe.

It's OVER!

 

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Pre-Nazi Germany tells us the fight to save American democracy is just beginning.  Stopping an attempted insurrection is only a start (1/9/21)
 
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A mob of several thousand outraged people rampaged through the streets of the city after a long rambling speech by their leader inciting them to do so. Some used violence. Windows were broken, shots were heard, there was bloodshed. The leader of the pack demanded the political swamp be drained. After a tumultuous few hours, order was restored and elected officials emerged from their hiding places.
 
No, this is not Washington, D.C., Jan. 6, 2021. This was Munich, Nov. 8, 1923. The instigators did not come to Munich to support a president who was voted out of office. They did not gather in front of the nation’s seat of power, but rather started their rally in a beer cellar where a young Adolf Hitler seized control after silencing the politicians and the crowd assembled there with a pistol shot to the ceiling.
 
Obviously, the circumstances surrounding the storming of the U.S. Capitol are very different from those of the Munich Beer Hall Putsch. But Germany during the 1920s offers crucial lessons for us today about how democracies become imperiled. Germany’s democracy was young, but the majority of the population stood behind it in the early 1920s. Yet, humiliated by defeat in World War I and plagued by an unprecedented economic crisis, a growing minority resorted to lies and conspiracy theories, such as the stab-in-the-back myth, which blamed scapegoats like Jews and socialists rather than the military for losing the war. . . .
 
What at first blush looked like a failed coup proved successful in the long run because of a justice system that was blind in its right eye and conservative political leaders who fueled the myths that Hitler had tapped into, planted the seeds of political polarization and discredited the legitimacy of elected officials. These leaders were also convinced that they could use Hitler and his mass movement as a vehicle to stay in power, even though they despised him and looked down on him as an upstart. His vice-chancellor, Franz von Papen of the Catholic Center Party, famously claimed he and his moderate cabinet members would keep Hitler and his Nazi troops in check. Von Papen lost this game and so did all the other enablers who made Hitler’s rise possible. But they didn’t decisively move to squelch his movement during the 1920s when they had the opportunity.
 
This history highlights how the real risk to American democracy came hours after order had been restored in the U.S. Capitol when seven U.S. senators and 138 members of the House of Representatives voted to sustain an objection to Pennsylvania’s electoral votes, giving credence to the lies that nourished the mob’s anger. Further to date, Vice President Pence and members of the cabinet have stood by without invoking the 25th Amendment to remove Trump from power. By doing so, they enable the president — who initially doubled down on lies about the election in subsequent videos and tweets — to cause additional harm to the nation, including his ability to pardon more of his supporters and spread more lies. Even many of those Republican elected officials who during the last days of this presidency have distanced themselves or expressed disgust with the president’s deeds, only a few weeks ago fought to keep him in office for another four years.
 
The historical example of Germany is often, perhaps too often, invoked. But rarely has it been so close to our reality as it is today. Germany was at a political crossroads in the 1920s. It could have remained a vibrant democracy, but for many reasons it became a dictatorship. The United States, with its long democratic tradition stands on much firmer ground, but since Jan. 6, we can no longer ignore the abyss that has opened up before us. As in Germany, here too, responsibility for the situation lies with those who either passively stood by or those who actively enabled the rise of a political monster.
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The U.S. Mustn't Follow Weimar Germany and Ancient Rome (1/15/21)

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-01-15/the-u-s-can-learn-about-trump-s-big-lie-from-weimar-germany-and-ancient-rome

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Since the ransacking of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, America’s institutions, leaders and citizens have been groaning under one of the most severe tests in the history of the republic. Are there lessons to draw on from the past? History, according to a famous aphorism, may not repeat itself, but it rhymes.

Here, then, is my own personal musing on two republics that failed, with consequences for the whole world: pre-Imperial Rome between 133 BCE and 27 BCE, and Weimar Germany between 1919 and 1933.

Let’s start with the latter and get the obvious disclaimer out of the way. No, Donald Trump is not another Adolf Hitler. And although some individuals in the mob that stormed the Capitol clearly have fascistic tendencies, Trump’s followers aren’t Brownshirts or Nazis.

But there’s at least one crucial parallel between Trumpism and Hitlerism. It’s the shameless embrace of what Hitler in his book “Mein Kampf” called the Big Lie. This is distinct from the ordinary fibbing that all humans do every day, and also from Trump’s egregious but banal mendacity before the November election. Instead, a Big Lie is so “colossal” (Hitler’s term) in inverting reality that the human mind struggles to grasp its audacity, leading many people to succumb. . . .

We must call the Big Lie just that, and kill it. We must re-sanctify republican taboos and punish their breakers. All this is in our power. If we rise to the occasion, America’s republic will indeed resemble the sword in this metaphor: The more it’s “pounded with a hammer, heated in the fire, thrust into cold water,” over and over, the stronger it becomes.

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Wyoming law permits a registered voter to declare/switch party affiliation on the day of the primary, at the polls.

The winner of the primary in Wyoming is the candidate who gets the most votes.

There are more than two candidates seeking her office that have "announced".

There are an incredible number of registered Wyoming democrats who will be "primary-ing" Liz on that day.

How's that gonna work??

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On 5/10/2021 at 2:14 PM, Jeffrey Brown said:

Washington Examiner: On policy, Liz Cheney is more of a Trump Republican than Elise Stefanik

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/on-policy-liz-cheney-is-more-of-a-trump-republican-than-elise-stefanik

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House Republicans want to oust Rep. Liz Cheney from her position as chairwoman of the caucus and replace her with Rep. Elise Stefanik, a younger, much more Trump-friendly Republican. The irony is that Stefanik's voting record doesn’t even line up with the “America First” agenda Trump Republicans claim to care about.

Former President Donald Trump endorsed Stefanik this week, calling her a “far superior choice” to the “warmongering” Cheney. Apparently, Trump believes Stefanik prioritizes “the values of America First.” What those values are, he probably couldn’t even say. But to the typical Trump voter, “America First” means a few things: protecting American workers via immigration policy, keeping Americans out of unnecessary foreign conflicts, and fighting for conservative causes at home on the culture war front.

Stefanik doesn’t line up with any of these policies. She voted against Trump’s withdrawal from Afghanistan and even earned the praise of John Bolton back in 2017. She opposed Trump’s 2017 tax cut package and happily supported extensions of the Export-Import Bank. She voted to reenter the Paris climate accord and end the border emergency declaration that had allowed Trump to begin construction of the southern border wall. And she voted for the Equality Act, a radical piece of legislation that would force religious people to bow down to the Left’s gender ideology or face legal consequences.

Stefanik opposed Trump’s agenda more often than most House Republicans, including Cheney. In fact, Cheney voted alongside Trump 92.9% of the time, whereas Stefanik voted with him only 77.7% of the time. But Stefanik passed the one litmus test that matters: She’s personally loyal to Trump.

This is the exact problem Cheney has been warning her fellow Republicans about. If the party is driven more by personality than policy, it will lose voters and power because it will have nothing of substance to give to the base. The GOP needs to choose: Pursue policies that appeal to a wide range of voters or cater to the whims of a man who isn’t even in office and likely won’t be again.

Republicans can’t have it both ways — Trump has made sure of that.

I looked up Cheney and she had a high rating voting on Republican issues. Trump is now the ideology rather than issues that many were built on bs anyways. One cult to another. Nothing to see, move on.

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Liz Cheney delivers defiant speech on House floor ahead of vote to oust her from G.O.P. leadership.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/us/politics/liz-cheney-speech-house.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming delivered a defiant last stand hours before facing a vote to purge her from House Republican leadership for her outspoken repudiation of former President Donald J. Trump’s election lies, declaring Tuesday night on the House floor that she would not sit back quietly as her party aided Mr. Trump’s attempts to undermine democracy. . . . 

Rather than fighting to hold onto her post, Ms. Cheney has embraced her downfall, offering herself as a cautionary tale in what she is portraying as a battle for the soul of the Republican Party. Emphasizing that framing Tuesday night, Ms. Cheney wore a replica pin of George Washington’s battle flag as she spoke on the House floor.

A former State Department official, Ms. Cheney invoked the parallels between what unfolded at the Capitol on Jan. 6 and her work in authoritarian countries to explain why she was so determined to publicly condemn the attempted insurrection.

“Those who refuse to accept the rulings of our courts are at war with the Constitution,” Ms. Cheney said. “Our duty is clear. Every one of us, who has sworn the oath must act to prevent the unraveling of our democracy. This is not about policy. This is not about partisanship. This is about our duty as Americans.”

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A few of us were way ahead of Cheney including warnings even before the election, of the morals, lies and character of Trump. It is shaming to the Republican party to watch these bizarre events unfold.

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Jeff Flake: In today’s Republican Party, there is no greater offense than honesty
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/11/jeff-flake-liz-cheney-republican-party/

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“The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.” — George Orwell

Near the beginning of the document that made us free, our Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson wrote: “We hold these truths to be self-evident.”

There you have it. From the very beginning of America, our freedom has been predicated on truth. For without a principled fidelity to truth and to shared facts, our democracy will not last.

On Wednesday, Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) will most likely lose her leadership post within the House Republican Conference, not because she has been untruthful. Rather, she will lose her position because she is refusing to play her assigned role in propagating the “big lie” that the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump. Cheney is more dedicated to the long-term health of our constitutional system than she is to assuaging the former president’s shattered ego, and for her integrity she may well pay with her career.

No, this is not the plot of a movie set in an asylum. Ladies and gentlemen, this is your contemporary Republican Party, where today there is no greater offense than honesty. . . .

Cheney has proved her fitness, and today it seems that adherents to the “big lie” will cast her out. Hold your head high, congresswoman. Those of us who believe in American democracy and who live in objective reality are grateful that you have chosen to take a stand for truth — self-evident truth — regardless of the consequences.
 

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It is of some interest, and disturbing, to observe a significant political party in this country arrive at the point of self-destruction.

It is done. She has lost her position.

You can fool some of the people all of the time.

You can fool all of the people some of the time.

But you can't fool Mom.

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Cheney Declares War on Trump Moments After Her Ouster: Will Do All I Can to Ensure He Never Gets ‘Near the Oval Office’ Again

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cheney-declares-war-on-trump-moments-after-her-ouster-will-do-all-i-can-to-ensure-he-never-gets-near-the-oval-office-again/

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After House Republicans voted to remove Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) as chair of the conference, the lawmaker pledged to ensure Donald Trump would never get “near the Oval Office” again.

“Going forward, the nation needs a strong Republican Party,” she said at a defiant presser after the vote. “The nation needs a party that is based upon fundamental principles of conservatism and I am committed and dedicated to ensuring that that’s how this party goes forward and I plan to lead the fight to do that.”

A reporter then noted that Trump may end up back in the White House in 2024, asking Cheney if she was prepared to prevent that.

“I will do everything I can to ensure that the former president never again gets anywhere near the Oval Office. We have seen the danger that he continues to provoke with his language,” Cheney said. “We have seen his lack of commitment and dedication to the Constitution. And I think it is very important that we make sure whomever we elect is somebody who will be faithful to the Constitution.”

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1 hour ago, Jeffrey Brown said:

Cheney Declares War on Trump Moments After Her Ouster: Will Do All I Can to Ensure He Never Gets ‘Near the Oval Office’ Again

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cheney-declares-war-on-trump-moments-after-her-ouster-will-do-all-i-can-to-ensure-he-never-gets-near-the-oval-office-again/

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After House Republicans voted to remove Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) as chair of the conference, the lawmaker pledged to ensure Donald Trump would never get “near the Oval Office” again.

“Going forward, the nation needs a strong Republican Party,” she said at a defiant presser after the vote. “The nation needs a party that is based upon fundamental principles of conservatism and I am committed and dedicated to ensuring that that’s how this party goes forward and I plan to lead the fight to do that.”

A reporter then noted that Trump may end up back in the White House in 2024, asking Cheney if she was prepared to prevent that.

“I will do everything I can to ensure that the former president never again gets anywhere near the Oval Office. We have seen the danger that he continues to provoke with his language,” Cheney said. “We have seen his lack of commitment and dedication to the Constitution. And I think it is very important that we make sure whomever we elect is somebody who will be faithful to the Constitution.”

"You can't fool Mom".

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Liz is now standing tall and publicly going after Trump. You can bet, now, anything that she says will be broadcast over and over again to make sure Trump knows he will never hold the high ground. Trump today? still a loser and slithering in his swamp in Florida.

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Here’s news for the Trump crazies in the Republican base.  McCarthy:  "I don't think anybody is questioning the legitimacy of the presidential election.”

Maybe McCarthy now considers Trump to be a nobody?

Kevin McCarthy Says Nobody Is Questioning 2020 Election Results as Trump Calls It 'Rigged'

https://www.newsweek.com/kevin-mccarthy-says-nobody-questioning-2020-election-results-trump-calls-it-rigged-1590939

Just hours after the House GOP voted to strip Wyoming Representative Liz Cheney of her leadership post over her feud with former President Donald Trump, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy denied that the election of President Joe Biden is in dispute among Republicans.

"I don't think anybody is questioning the legitimacy of the presidential election," McCarthy, a California Republican, told reporters after a nearly two-hour, bipartisan meeting with Biden at the White House on Wednesday. "I think that is all over with, we were sitting here with the president today."

McCarthy's remark is a stark departure from Trump's stance, as the former president has baselessly claimed that the 2020 election was stolen from him. Trump's insistence that the race was rigged and a resulting rally in support of him eventually led to a mob storming the U.S. Capitol on January 6, in an attempt to stop the certification of the election results.

Trump's vocal Twitter account was suspended shortly after the riot, but he's since started a blog where he posts regular commentary.

In a statement as recently as Tuesday, Trump referenced the "rigged and stolen" election. The day before, he called on Republicans to fight the election outcome, writing, "If a thief robs a jewelry store of all of its diamonds (the 2020 Presidential Election), the diamonds must be returned." On Friday, he referred to the election outcome as "the greatest Fraud in the history of our Country!"

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Cheney's next steps: Expanded political profile, possible support for anti-Trump candidates

Cheney drafting plans for increased travel, media appearances

Rep. Liz Cheney on Wednesday lost her No. 3 position in House Republican leadership.

But that doesn't seem to be stopping the mission of the three-term conservative congresswoman from Wyoming to "lead the fight" to weaken former President Trump's firm grip on the GOP.

CHENEY DEFIANT AFTER HOUSE GOP VOTE TO OUST HER FROM LEADERSHIP

Cheney has been cementing plans in recent days for increased travel and media appearances, a source familiar with the lawmaker's thinking confirmed to Fox News. She spoke with NBC's "Today" show after the vote and is scheduled to appear on Fox News Channel's "Special Report" on Thursday at 6 p.m. ET.

Those plans may also include expanding her political operation, which would allow her to endorse and fundraise on behalf of other Republican candidates who agree with her that Trump is a danger to the GOP.

Cheney was the most high profile of the 10 House Republicans to vote in January to impeach Trump for inciting the deadly insurrection at the U.S. Capitol by right-wing extremists, intent on disrupting congressional certification of now-President Biden's Electoral College victory over Trump.

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It seems that the Republican Party's "big tent" shrunk a lot in the last several weeks.

Yes, I realize that it's all just politics as usual, but the consequences of speaking one way, then another, cannot be overlooked.

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Clinton Cheney 2024! Nice couple..soulmates finally meeting in the night. Odd that title does have some Gravitas does it not!

 

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Clinton Cheney 2024! Nice couple..soulmates finally meeting in the night. Odd that title does have some Gravitas does it not!

 

Cry Havoc Troll Alert!

 

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