Ward Smith + 6,615 July 6, 2021 The parent website Had this article, very short just making the announcement. Apparently the author didn't want to add opinion, unlike virtually every other journalist on the planet. I'd like to add that here using the Socratic method. Why was Keystone XL cancelled? How was it cancelled? Under whose authority? What was the supposed "harm"? Who stands to benefit? Who stands to lose? Is this administration liable? Is this a winnable case? Why do politicians take bribes then taxpayers pay the cost? (OK, obviously rhetorical) 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notsonice + 1,068 DM July 6, 2021 6 hours ago, Ward Smith said: The parent website Had this article, very short just making the announcement. Apparently the author didn't want to add opinion, unlike virtually every other journalist on the planet. I'd like to add that here using the Socratic method. Why was Keystone XL cancelled? How was it cancelled? Under whose authority? What was the supposed "harm"? Who stands to benefit? Who stands to lose? Is this administration liable? Is this a winnable case? Why do politicians take bribes then taxpayers pay the cost? (OK, obviously rhetorical) Did you bother to read the permit? If you bother to read it all of your questions are answered. Article 1. (1) This permit may be terminated, revoked, or amended at any time at the sole discretion of the President of the United States (the"President"), with or without advice provided by any executive department or agency (agency). 3. Upon the termination, revocation, or surrender of this permit,..............The permittee shall have no claim for damages caused by any such possession, removal, or other action. Article 11. This permit is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit,substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees or agents, or any other person. Administration of Donald J. Trump, 2019 Presidential Permit—Authorizing TransCanada Keystone Pipeline, L.P., To Construct, Connect, Operate, and Maintain Pipeline Facilities at the International Boundary Between the United States and CanadaMarch 29, 2019 By virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States of America, I hereby grant permission, subject to the conditions herein set forth, to TransCanada KeystonePipeline, L.P. (hereinafter referred to as the "permittee"), to construct, connect, operate, andmaintain pipeline facilities at the international border of the United States and Canada at Phillips County, Montana, for the import of oil from Canada to the United States. Thepermittee is a limited partnership organized under the laws of the State of Delaware, owned by affiliates of TransCanada Corporation, a Canadian public company organized under the laws of Canada.This permit supersedes the Presidential permit issued to the permittee, dated March 23,2017. For the avoidance of doubt, I hereby revoke that March 23, 2017, permit. Furthermore,this permit grants the permission described in the previous paragraph and revokes the March23, 2017, permit notwithstanding Executive Order 13337 of April 30, 2004 (Issuance of Permits With Respect to Certain Energy-Related Facilities and Land Transportation Crossings on the International Boundaries of the United States) and the Presidential Memorandum of January 24, 2017 (Presidential Memorandum Regarding Construction of the Keystone XLPipeline).The term "Facilities," as used in this permit, means the portion in the United States of theinternational pipeline project associated with the permittee's application for a Presidentialpermit filed on May 4, 2012, and resubmitted on January 26, 2017, and any land, structures,installations, or equipment appurtenant thereto.The term "Border facilities," as used in this permit, means those parts of the Facilitiesconsisting of a 36-inch diameter pipeline extending from the international border between theUnited States and Canada at a point in Phillips County, Montana, to and including the first mainline shut-off valve in the United States located approximately 1.2 miles from theinternational border, and any land, structures, installations, or equipment appurtenant thereto.This permit is subject to the following conditions: Article 1. (1) The Border facilities herein described, and all aspects of their operation,shall be subject to all the conditions, provisions, and requirements of this permit and any subsequent Presidential amendment to it. This permit may be terminated, revoked, or amended at any time at the sole discretion of the President of the United States (the"President"), with or without advice provided by any executive department or agency (agency). The permittee shall make no substantial change in the Border facilities, in the location of theBorder facilities, or in the operation authorized by this permit until the permittee has notified the President or his designee of such change and the President has approved the change.(2) The construction, connection, operation, and maintenance of the Facilities (notincluding the route) shall be, in all material respects and as consistent with applicable law, as described in the permittee's application for a Presidential permit filed on May 4, 2012, andresubmitted on January 26, 2017. 2 Article 2. The standards for, and the manner of, construction, connection, operation, and maintenance of the Border facilities shall be subject to inspection by the representatives of appropriate Federal, State, and local agencies. Officers and employees of such agencies who are duly authorized and performing their official duties shall be granted free and unrestricted access to the Border facilities by the permittee. Consistent with Article 10, this permit shall remain in effect until terminated, revoked, or amended by the President. Article 3. Upon the termination, revocation, or surrender of this permit, unless otherwise decided by the President, the permittee, at its own expense, shall remove the Border facilities within such time as the President may specify. If the permittee fails to comply with an order to remove, or to take such other appropriate action with respect to, the Border facilities, the President may direct that possession of such Border facilities be taken—or that they be removed or that other action be taken—at the expense of the permittee. The permittee shall have no claim for damages caused by any such possession, removal, or other action. Article 4. When, in the judgment of the President, ensuring the national security of the United States requires entering upon and taking possession of any of the Border facilities or parts thereof, and retaining possession, management, or control thereof for such a length of time as the President may deem necessary, the United States shall have the right to do so,provided that the President or his designee has given due notice to the permittee. The United States shall also have the right thereafter to restore possession and control to the permittee. In the event that the United States shall exercise the rights described in this article, it shall pay to the permittee just and fair compensation for the use of such Border facilities, upon the basis of a reasonable profit in normal conditions, and shall bear the cost of restoring Border facilities to their previous condition, less the reasonable value of any improvements that may have been made by the United States. Article 5. Any transfer of ownership or control of the Border facilities, or any part thereof,shall be immediately communicated in writing to the President or his designee, and shall include information identifying the transferee. Notwithstanding any transfer of ownership or control of the Border facilities, or any part thereof, this permit shall remain in force subject to all of its conditions, permissions, and requirements, and any amendments thereto, unless subsequently terminated, revoked, or amended by the President. Article 6. (1) The permittee is responsible for acquiring any right-of-way grants or easements, permits, and other authorizations as may become necessary or appropriate.(2) The permittee shall hold harmless and indemnify the United States from any claimed or adjudged liability arising out of construction, connection, operation, or maintenance of the Facilities, including environmental contamination from the release, threatened release, or discharge of hazardous substances or hazardous waste.(3) To ensure the safe operation of the Border facilities, the permittee shall maintain them and every part of them in a condition of good repair and in compliance with applicable law. Article 7. The permittee shall file with the President or his designee, and with appropriate agencies, such sworn statements or reports with respect to the Border facilities, or the permittee's activities and operations in connection therewith, as are now, or may hereafter, be required under any law or regulation of the United States Government or its agencies. These reporting obligations do not alter the intent that this permit be operative as a directive issued by the President alone. 3 Article 8. Upon request, the permittee shall provide appropriate information to the President or his designee with regard to the Border facilities. Such requests could include, for example, information concerning current conditions or anticipated changes in ownership or control, construction, connection, operation, or maintenance of the Border facilities. Article 9. The permittee shall provide written notice to the President or his designee at the time that the construction authorized by this permit begins, at such time as such construction is completed, interrupted, or discontinued, and at other times as may be requested by the President. Article 10. This permit shall expire 5 years from the date of its issuance if the permittee has not commenced construction of the Border facilities by that date. Article 11. This permit is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit,substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees or agents, or any other person.In Witness Whereof, I, Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America, havehereunto set my hand this twenty-ninth day of March, 2019, in the City of Washington, District of Columbia.DONALD J.TRUMP[Filed with the Office of the Federal Register, 11:15 a.m., April 2, 2019] NOTE: This Presidential permit was published in the Federal Register on April 3. Categories: Presidential Permit : TransCanada Keystone Pipeline, L.P., authorizing construction, connection, operation, and maintenance.Subjects: Energy : Oil and gas industry :: Keystone XL Pipeline project. DCPD Number:DCPD20190019 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL July 7, 2021 I do not have a law degree, bit it appears that the action will be a NAFTA challenge, that is, it will not be undertaken in American courts, but under a NAFTA tribunal. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL July 7, 2021 6 hours ago, notsonice said: Did you bother to read the permit? If you bother to read it all of your questions are answered. Article 1. (1) This permit may be terminated, revoked, or amended at any time at the sole discretion of the President of the United States (the"President"), with or without advice provided by any executive department or agency (agency). 3. Upon the termination, revocation, or surrender of this permit,..............The permittee shall have no claim for damages caused by any such possession, removal, or other action. Article 11. This permit is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit,substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees or agents, or any other person. Administration of Donald J. Trump, 2019 Presidential Permit—Authorizing TransCanada Keystone Pipeline, L.P., To Construct, Connect, Operate, and Maintain Pipeline Facilities at the International Boundary Between the United States and CanadaMarch 29, 2019 By virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States of America, I hereby grant permission, subject to the conditions herein set forth, to TransCanada KeystonePipeline, L.P. (hereinafter referred to as the "permittee"), to construct, connect, operate, andmaintain pipeline facilities at the international border of the United States and Canada at Phillips County, Montana, for the import of oil from Canada to the United States. Thepermittee is a limited partnership organized under the laws of the State of Delaware, owned by affiliates of TransCanada Corporation, a Canadian public company organized under the laws of Canada.This permit supersedes the Presidential permit issued to the permittee, dated March 23,2017. For the avoidance of doubt, I hereby revoke that March 23, 2017, permit. Furthermore,this permit grants the permission described in the previous paragraph and revokes the March23, 2017, permit notwithstanding Executive Order 13337 of April 30, 2004 (Issuance of Permits With Respect to Certain Energy-Related Facilities and Land Transportation Crossings on the International Boundaries of the United States) and the Presidential Memorandum of January 24, 2017 (Presidential Memorandum Regarding Construction of the Keystone XLPipeline).The term "Facilities," as used in this permit, means the portion in the United States of theinternational pipeline project associated with the permittee's application for a Presidentialpermit filed on May 4, 2012, and resubmitted on January 26, 2017, and any land, structures,installations, or equipment appurtenant thereto.The term "Border facilities," as used in this permit, means those parts of the Facilitiesconsisting of a 36-inch diameter pipeline extending from the international border between theUnited States and Canada at a point in Phillips County, Montana, to and including the first mainline shut-off valve in the United States located approximately 1.2 miles from theinternational border, and any land, structures, installations, or equipment appurtenant thereto.This permit is subject to the following conditions: Article 1. (1) The Border facilities herein described, and all aspects of their operation,shall be subject to all the conditions, provisions, and requirements of this permit and any subsequent Presidential amendment to it. This permit may be terminated, revoked, or amended at any time at the sole discretion of the President of the United States (the"President"), with or without advice provided by any executive department or agency (agency). The permittee shall make no substantial change in the Border facilities, in the location of theBorder facilities, or in the operation authorized by this permit until the permittee has notified the President or his designee of such change and the President has approved the change.(2) The construction, connection, operation, and maintenance of the Facilities (notincluding the route) shall be, in all material respects and as consistent with applicable law, as described in the permittee's application for a Presidential permit filed on May 4, 2012, andresubmitted on January 26, 2017. 2 Article 2. The standards for, and the manner of, construction, connection, operation, and maintenance of the Border facilities shall be subject to inspection by the representatives of appropriate Federal, State, and local agencies. Officers and employees of such agencies who are duly authorized and performing their official duties shall be granted free and unrestricted access to the Border facilities by the permittee. Consistent with Article 10, this permit shall remain in effect until terminated, revoked, or amended by the President. Article 3. Upon the termination, revocation, or surrender of this permit, unless otherwise decided by the President, the permittee, at its own expense, shall remove the Border facilities within such time as the President may specify. If the permittee fails to comply with an order to remove, or to take such other appropriate action with respect to, the Border facilities, the President may direct that possession of such Border facilities be taken—or that they be removed or that other action be taken—at the expense of the permittee. The permittee shall have no claim for damages caused by any such possession, removal, or other action. Article 4. When, in the judgment of the President, ensuring the national security of the United States requires entering upon and taking possession of any of the Border facilities or parts thereof, and retaining possession, management, or control thereof for such a length of time as the President may deem necessary, the United States shall have the right to do so,provided that the President or his designee has given due notice to the permittee. The United States shall also have the right thereafter to restore possession and control to the permittee. In the event that the United States shall exercise the rights described in this article, it shall pay to the permittee just and fair compensation for the use of such Border facilities, upon the basis of a reasonable profit in normal conditions, and shall bear the cost of restoring Border facilities to their previous condition, less the reasonable value of any improvements that may have been made by the United States. Article 5. Any transfer of ownership or control of the Border facilities, or any part thereof,shall be immediately communicated in writing to the President or his designee, and shall include information identifying the transferee. Notwithstanding any transfer of ownership or control of the Border facilities, or any part thereof, this permit shall remain in force subject to all of its conditions, permissions, and requirements, and any amendments thereto, unless subsequently terminated, revoked, or amended by the President. Article 6. (1) The permittee is responsible for acquiring any right-of-way grants or easements, permits, and other authorizations as may become necessary or appropriate.(2) The permittee shall hold harmless and indemnify the United States from any claimed or adjudged liability arising out of construction, connection, operation, or maintenance of the Facilities, including environmental contamination from the release, threatened release, or discharge of hazardous substances or hazardous waste.(3) To ensure the safe operation of the Border facilities, the permittee shall maintain them and every part of them in a condition of good repair and in compliance with applicable law. Article 7. The permittee shall file with the President or his designee, and with appropriate agencies, such sworn statements or reports with respect to the Border facilities, or the permittee's activities and operations in connection therewith, as are now, or may hereafter, be required under any law or regulation of the United States Government or its agencies. These reporting obligations do not alter the intent that this permit be operative as a directive issued by the President alone. 3 Article 8. Upon request, the permittee shall provide appropriate information to the President or his designee with regard to the Border facilities. Such requests could include, for example, information concerning current conditions or anticipated changes in ownership or control, construction, connection, operation, or maintenance of the Border facilities. Article 9. The permittee shall provide written notice to the President or his designee at the time that the construction authorized by this permit begins, at such time as such construction is completed, interrupted, or discontinued, and at other times as may be requested by the President. Article 10. This permit shall expire 5 years from the date of its issuance if the permittee has not commenced construction of the Border facilities by that date. Article 11. This permit is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit,substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees or agents, or any other person.In Witness Whereof, I, Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America, havehereunto set my hand this twenty-ninth day of March, 2019, in the City of Washington, District of Columbia.DONALD J.TRUMP[Filed with the Office of the Federal Register, 11:15 a.m., April 2, 2019] NOTE: This Presidential permit was published in the Federal Register on April 3. Categories: Presidential Permit : TransCanada Keystone Pipeline, L.P., authorizing construction, connection, operation, and maintenance.Subjects: Energy : Oil and gas industry :: Keystone XL Pipeline project. DCPD Number:DCPD20190019 Notsonice, it appears that the action is not being taken in American courts, but under a NAFTA tribunal. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ecocharger + 1,375 DL July 7, 2021 13 hours ago, Ward Smith said: The parent website Had this article, very short just making the announcement. Apparently the author didn't want to add opinion, unlike virtually every other journalist on the planet. I'd like to add that here using the Socratic method. Why was Keystone XL cancelled? How was it cancelled? Under whose authority? What was the supposed "harm"? Who stands to benefit? Who stands to lose? Is this administration liable? Is this a winnable case? Why do politicians take bribes then taxpayers pay the cost? (OK, obviously rhetorical) It looks like this is not a "case" under American law in American courts, but an international challenge under a NAFTA tribunal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward Smith + 6,615 July 7, 2021 7 hours ago, notsonice said: Did you bother to read the permit? If you bother to read it all of your questions are answered. Article 1. (1) This permit may be terminated, revoked, or amended at any time at the sole discretion of the President of the United States (the"President"), with or without advice provided by any executive department or agency (agency). 3. Upon the termination, revocation, or surrender of this permit,..............The permittee shall have no claim for damages caused by any such possession, removal, or other action. Article 11. This permit is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit,substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees or agents, or any other person. Administration of Donald J. Trump, 2019 Presidential Permit—Authorizing TransCanada Keystone Pipeline, L.P., To Construct, Connect, Operate, and Maintain Pipeline Facilities at the International Boundary Between the United States and CanadaMarch 29, 2019 By virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States of America, I hereby grant permission, subject to the conditions herein set forth, to TransCanada KeystonePipeline, L.P. (hereinafter referred to as the "permittee"), to construct, connect, operate, andmaintain pipeline facilities at the international border of the United States and Canada at Phillips County, Montana, for the import of oil from Canada to the United States. Thepermittee is a limited partnership organized under the laws of the State of Delaware, owned by affiliates of TransCanada Corporation, a Canadian public company organized under the laws of Canada.This permit supersedes the Presidential permit issued to the permittee, dated March 23,2017. For the avoidance of doubt, I hereby revoke that March 23, 2017, permit. Furthermore,this permit grants the permission described in the previous paragraph and revokes the March23, 2017, permit notwithstanding Executive Order 13337 of April 30, 2004 (Issuance of Permits With Respect to Certain Energy-Related Facilities and Land Transportation Crossings on the International Boundaries of the United States) and the Presidential Memorandum of January 24, 2017 (Presidential Memorandum Regarding Construction of the Keystone XLPipeline).The term "Facilities," as used in this permit, means the portion in the United States of theinternational pipeline project associated with the permittee's application for a Presidentialpermit filed on May 4, 2012, and resubmitted on January 26, 2017, and any land, structures,installations, or equipment appurtenant thereto.The term "Border facilities," as used in this permit, means those parts of the Facilitiesconsisting of a 36-inch diameter pipeline extending from the international border between theUnited States and Canada at a point in Phillips County, Montana, to and including the first mainline shut-off valve in the United States located approximately 1.2 miles from theinternational border, and any land, structures, installations, or equipment appurtenant thereto.This permit is subject to the following conditions: Article 1. (1) The Border facilities herein described, and all aspects of their operation,shall be subject to all the conditions, provisions, and requirements of this permit and any subsequent Presidential amendment to it. This permit may be terminated, revoked, or amended at any time at the sole discretion of the President of the United States (the"President"), with or without advice provided by any executive department or agency (agency). The permittee shall make no substantial change in the Border facilities, in the location of theBorder facilities, or in the operation authorized by this permit until the permittee has notified the President or his designee of such change and the President has approved the change.(2) The construction, connection, operation, and maintenance of the Facilities (notincluding the route) shall be, in all material respects and as consistent with applicable law, as described in the permittee's application for a Presidential permit filed on May 4, 2012, andresubmitted on January 26, 2017. 2 Article 2. The standards for, and the manner of, construction, connection, operation, and maintenance of the Border facilities shall be subject to inspection by the representatives of appropriate Federal, State, and local agencies. Officers and employees of such agencies who are duly authorized and performing their official duties shall be granted free and unrestricted access to the Border facilities by the permittee. Consistent with Article 10, this permit shall remain in effect until terminated, revoked, or amended by the President. Article 3. Upon the termination, revocation, or surrender of this permit, unless otherwise decided by the President, the permittee, at its own expense, shall remove the Border facilities within such time as the President may specify. If the permittee fails to comply with an order to remove, or to take such other appropriate action with respect to, the Border facilities, the President may direct that possession of such Border facilities be taken—or that they be removed or that other action be taken—at the expense of the permittee. The permittee shall have no claim for damages caused by any such possession, removal, or other action. Article 4. When, in the judgment of the President, ensuring the national security of the United States requires entering upon and taking possession of any of the Border facilities or parts thereof, and retaining possession, management, or control thereof for such a length of time as the President may deem necessary, the United States shall have the right to do so,provided that the President or his designee has given due notice to the permittee. The United States shall also have the right thereafter to restore possession and control to the permittee. In the event that the United States shall exercise the rights described in this article, it shall pay to the permittee just and fair compensation for the use of such Border facilities, upon the basis of a reasonable profit in normal conditions, and shall bear the cost of restoring Border facilities to their previous condition, less the reasonable value of any improvements that may have been made by the United States. Article 5. Any transfer of ownership or control of the Border facilities, or any part thereof,shall be immediately communicated in writing to the President or his designee, and shall include information identifying the transferee. Notwithstanding any transfer of ownership or control of the Border facilities, or any part thereof, this permit shall remain in force subject to all of its conditions, permissions, and requirements, and any amendments thereto, unless subsequently terminated, revoked, or amended by the President. Article 6. (1) The permittee is responsible for acquiring any right-of-way grants or easements, permits, and other authorizations as may become necessary or appropriate.(2) The permittee shall hold harmless and indemnify the United States from any claimed or adjudged liability arising out of construction, connection, operation, or maintenance of the Facilities, including environmental contamination from the release, threatened release, or discharge of hazardous substances or hazardous waste.(3) To ensure the safe operation of the Border facilities, the permittee shall maintain them and every part of them in a condition of good repair and in compliance with applicable law. Article 7. The permittee shall file with the President or his designee, and with appropriate agencies, such sworn statements or reports with respect to the Border facilities, or the permittee's activities and operations in connection therewith, as are now, or may hereafter, be required under any law or regulation of the United States Government or its agencies. These reporting obligations do not alter the intent that this permit be operative as a directive issued by the President alone. 3 Article 8. Upon request, the permittee shall provide appropriate information to the President or his designee with regard to the Border facilities. Such requests could include, for example, information concerning current conditions or anticipated changes in ownership or control, construction, connection, operation, or maintenance of the Border facilities. Article 9. The permittee shall provide written notice to the President or his designee at the time that the construction authorized by this permit begins, at such time as such construction is completed, interrupted, or discontinued, and at other times as may be requested by the President. Article 10. This permit shall expire 5 years from the date of its issuance if the permittee has not commenced construction of the Border facilities by that date. Article 11. This permit is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit,substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees or agents, or any other person.In Witness Whereof, I, Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America, havehereunto set my hand this twenty-ninth day of March, 2019, in the City of Washington, District of Columbia.DONALD J.TRUMP[Filed with the Office of the Federal Register, 11:15 a.m., April 2, 2019] NOTE: This Presidential permit was published in the Federal Register on April 3. Categories: Presidential Permit : TransCanada Keystone Pipeline, L.P., authorizing construction, connection, operation, and maintenance.Subjects: Energy : Oil and gas industry :: Keystone XL Pipeline project. DCPD Number:DCPD20190019 and yet Xiden revoked this permit. Did not revoke the permission the permit granted, but revoked it entirely. Apparently his dementia didn't allow him to understand it. There's more questions unanswered. How much did Warren Buffet pay, ahem, Hunter Biden? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward Smith + 6,615 July 7, 2021 Did WestExec Advisors order, er, I mean "advise" Xiden on the pipeline? If Trump did this the MSM would be having kittens, live on air. But it's a coup 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,539 July 7, 2021 9 hours ago, Ecocharger said: It looks like this is not a "case" under American law in American courts, but an international challenge under a NAFTA tribunal. Agreed interesting is it not, the US being subject to international law on its own soil? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichieRich216 + 454 RK July 7, 2021 Absolutely, These DC idiots now are making us dependent on OPEC again! We will be kissing ass AGAIN, as I remember lining up in the 70’s based on your license plate to get gas, this is ridiculous…. Biden had no issues throwing NATO Countries under the bus with direct pipeline from Russia to Germany! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-trance + 114 GM July 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Agreed interesting is it not, the US being subject to international law on its own soil? Nations sign agreements. The laws are domestic. For example many birds migrate across the USA Canada border, and there needed to be some agreement to protect the birds. As such the Migratory bird treaty was signed, but the laws enforcing it are actually domestic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migratory_Bird_Treaty Canada law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migratory_Birds_Convention_Act USA law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migratory_Bird_Treaty_Act_of_1918 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,315 RG July 7, 2021 4 hours ago, RichieRich216 said: Absolutely, These DC idiots now are making us dependent on OPEC again! We will be kissing ass AGAIN, as I remember lining up in the 70’s based on your license plate to get gas, this is ridiculous…. Biden had no issues throwing NATO Countries under the bus with direct pipeline from Russia to Germany! I guess you don’t understand the meaning of the US being net oil independent. And have no clue most Canadian imports get refined and shipped to foreign countries. You need to get woke boy. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,315 RG July 7, 2021 The entire bunch of Trumpisms spitting deep state, non constitutional, anti constitutional, devoid of patriotism, shock jock hacks are at least consistent. It’s like information never existed. Lol I like American oil used in America. These foreign posters I suspect are Putin fans stirring an emotional bunch of no googling, sugar eating, carb munching, obese commenters who have done serious damage to their microbiom which signals parts of the brain that control reasoning. BTW the US doesn’t need Saudi or Russian oil, or Venezuela oil or most Canadian oil for consumption. 1 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuarterCenturyVet + 312 JL July 7, 2021 Uh, yeah, Midwest America absolutely does use Western Canadian oil for consumption....and the rest, they sell right back to the idiotic Canadian East to consume and refine as well. The US, ridiculously, and through complete lack of Canadian government foresight, acts as an intermediary for our own product. Its infuriating, from a Western Canadian perspective. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.api.org/-/media/Files/News/2021/04/ICF_Cross-Border_Analysis_Final.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwju7tOF2tHxAhVFsZ4KHc8rDVQQFjATegQIHhAC&usg=AOvVaw2FLB2MUIZZGXPlbL3CqgYA 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichieRich216 + 454 RK July 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Boat said: I guess you don’t understand the meaning of the US being net oil independent. And have no clue most Canadian imports get refined and shipped to foreign countries. You need to get woke boy. We profit of of Canadian Oil! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,398 July 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Boat said: The entire bunch of Trumpisms spitting deep state, non constitutional, anti constitutional, devoid of patriotism, shock jock hacks are at least consistent. It’s like information never existed. Lol I like American oil used in America. These foreign posters I suspect are Putin fans stirring an emotional bunch of no googling, sugar eating, carb munching, obese commenters who have done serious damage to their microbiom which signals parts of the brain that control reasoning. BTW the US doesn’t need Saudi or Russian oil, or Venezuela oil or most Canadian oil for consumption. Now, now, now...take it easy... Just reflect upon the frequent observation that the leaders with the worst judgement smugly claim to have the best judgement. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eyes Wide Open + 3,539 July 7, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, -trance said: Nations sign agreements. The laws are domestic. For example many birds migrate across the USA Canada border, and there needed to be some agreement to protect the birds. As such the Migratory bird treaty was signed, but the laws enforcing it are actually domestic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migratory_Bird_Treaty Canada law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migratory_Birds_Convention_Act USA law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migratory_Bird_Treaty_Act_of_1918 18 minutes ago, turbguy said: Now, now, now...take it easy... Just reflect upon the frequent observation that the leaders with the worst judgement smugly claim to have the best judgement. Indeed the Obama area, specifically the ME. Thee greatest reign of terror in modern history, Syria would be a prime example of uber failure...Perhaps a take on the failure's of Trump there. Ohh those Kurds...yes they ended up with the Syrian oil fields and 15000 US off shore baby sitting for a few months. And Iran...well it seems there master card ran out of credit...Turb Progressive liberals are that finest in think tanks...and not one step out of that box...Not one. Edited July 7, 2021 by Eyes Wide Open Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward Smith + 6,615 July 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Boat said: I guess you don’t understand the meaning of the US being net oil independent. And have no clue most Canadian imports get refined and shipped to foreign countries. You need to get woke boy. The US was nearing oil Independence. But Xiden's moves including shutting down ANWR (illegally, getting sued over it), fracking on federal lands (illegal, getting sued over it), slow walking new offshore auctions and all Federal permits have accomplished their desired goals. This country consumes 18-20 million bbls per Day, I invite you to wake up and confirm how much we produce today "boy". Go woke, go broke 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 July 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ward Smith said: The US was nearing oil Independence. But Xiden's moves including shutting down ANWR (illegally, getting sued over it), fracking on federal lands (illegal, getting sued over it), slow walking new offshore auctions and all Federal permits have accomplished their desired goals. This country consumes 18-20 million bbls per Day, I invite you to wake up and confirm how much we produce today "boy". Go woke, go broke Or you can look at the official numbers and see that we are just shy of being a net exporter: 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward Smith + 6,615 July 8, 2021 34 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said: Or you can look at the official numbers and see that we are just shy of being a net exporter: Figures don't lie, but liars sure can figure. We're producing about 11 million bbls per day and importing about 9 million bbls per day. EIA website I guess you're just counting on people not clicking on the link 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turbguy + 1,398 July 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Eyes Wide Open said: Indeed the Obama area, specifically the ME. Thee greatest reign of terror in modern history, Syria would be a prime example of uber failure...Perhaps a take on the failure's of Trump there. Ohh those Kurds...yes they ended up with the Syrian oil fields and 15000 US off shore baby sitting for a few months. And Iran...well it seems there master card ran out of credit...Turb Progressive liberals are that finest in think tanks...and not one step out of that box...Not one. Don't ignore that experience is making the same mistake again and again, but with more confidence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay McKinsey + 1,489 July 8, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Ward Smith said: Figures don't lie, but liars sure can figure. We're producing about 11 million bbls per day and importing about 9 million bbls per day. EIA website I guess you're just counting on people not clicking on the link It is hard to argue with your brand of dumb. You don't know what Net Imports means do you? We are importing approx. 9 million: And we are exporting approx. 9 million: If you subtract Exports from Imports you get Net Imports of 49,000 BPD last week. Edited July 8, 2021 by Jay McKinsey 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,315 RG July 8, 2021 If you pay me I will teach you how to find net imports to the US by Country. Net imports and exports for the US. US consumption. The rig count and the frac count. What I haven’t been able to find is how much US LTO is mixed with imported heavy Crude, refined and then sold to which country. And finally how much crude is exported by country to what country from US stocks. Jay explained it but let’s say it again. When we’re a net oil exporter that means statically we need no oil from other countries. We passed that milestone basically in 2019. Biden’s effect on US oil has not turned the US into a net importer. If you looked at the charts once a month for a few minutes, your more woke than most rednecks. It doesn’t take much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,315 RG July 8, 2021 For over a decade I have been fact checking silly claims from the unwoke. Like Jay you can even show them the charts. But because of ideology and poor schooling I have given up on the idea of the US being the shiny beacon on the hill Ronald Reagan so proudly claimed. How you gonna be great if you can’t read a chart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boat + 1,315 RG July 8, 2021 For those that have reading comprehension problems there is a YouTube solution. Type in Primary Vision Network. That guy will explain all the charts and graphs. Dozens and dozens of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward Smith + 6,615 July 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said: It is hard to argue with your brand of dumb. You don't know what Net Imports means do you? We are importing approx. 9 million: And we are exporting approx. 9 million: If you subtract Exports from Imports you get Net Imports of 49,000 BPD last week. We're exporting refined goods, about 5 million bbls a day worth. Refineries in this country do not belong to this country. Like Motiva, they import from abroad and ship their products abroad. If we're energy independent, why do we have less than a one month supply on hand? I've argued both sides of this, we carry the burden as the world's biggest polluter (even though it's obviously China and India) because of that 20 million bbls per day. When the Paris accord talks about CO2 per capita, they use the 20 million number, not 11. Next look at balance of payments 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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