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1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Ah, must be a good little slave to the megacorporation because...... oh right, only THEY can fix stuff...

As if fixing stuff is difficult(time consuming yes, difficult, no)...

Called “ VOID OF WARRANTY “ then your shade tree mechanic can do anything he/she wants!

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59 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

So let's be clear. If you are under warranty then the work is done for free. If you are out of warranty then you don't care. This is only about the situation where the damage is not covered by your warranty. In that case third party repair does not by default void the warranty. Only bad work.

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Note that Tesla is also authorizing 3rd party repair facilities to do warranty work.

Maybe you should actually read the warranty before making claims about it. Another swing and a miss for you.

3rd Party means what, They have purchased the specialty equipment, have certified mechanic’s? Come on Remove you head from the sand! They are willing to say about anything to get the U.S. market!

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1 minute ago, RichieRich216 said:

Called “ VOID OF WARRANTY “ then your shade tree mechanic can do anything he/she wants!

And Biden just released an Executive Order supporting right to repair.

It includes a provision directing the Federal Trade Commission to issue rules preventing manufacturers from imposing restrictions on independent device repair shops and DIY repairs.

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5 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

3rd Party means what, They have purchased the specialty equipment, have certified mechanic’s? Come on Remove you head from the sand! They are willing to say about anything to get the U.S. market!

Try and make sense. It sounds like you think they are a foreign company with a foreign car.

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6 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

And Biden just released an Executive Order supporting right to repair.

It includes a provision directing the Federal Trade Commission to issue rules preventing manufacturers from imposing restrictions on independent device repair shops and DIY repairs.

Biden doesn’t know what day it is, You really believe major conglomerates are going to allow major damage to there companies, Dream on! 

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Just now, RichieRich216 said:

Biden doesn’t know what day it is, You really believe major conglomerates are going to allow major damage to there companies, Dream on! 

It is a lot more than Trump ever did.

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23 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Private sector wanted renewables but the government demanded natural gas. Private sector finally gave in on a third of the capacity in gas so the government decided to spend tax payer dollars to build the other two thirds of gas capacity at Snowy Hydro Kuri Kuri. A total waste of taxpayer money for a plant that will be used at 2% capacity factor at best. 

Jay - you've confused power generation with gas extraction.. you were talking about gas extraction and mining subsidies. Now you're trying to claim you were talking about gas power plants. The government has stepped in to build an additional gas POWER plant because the private sector is responding to state government policies to build renewables, and something is needed to smooth out the inevitable wild swings in supply.. sure the plant may be used just 3 per cent of the time (I suspect the figure is green propaganda) but without it then 3 per cent of the time the grid may be browned-out and 3 per cent is unacceptable. Jay, I hope you'll do a lot better than this .. for now this discussion is over..     

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32 minutes ago, markslawson said:

Jay - you've confused power generation with gas extraction.. you were talking about gas extraction and mining subsidies. Now you're trying to claim you were talking about gas power plants. The government has stepped in to build an additional gas POWER plant because the private sector is responding to state government policies to build renewables, and something is needed to smooth out the inevitable wild swings in supply.. sure the plant may be used just 3 per cent of the time (I suspect the figure is green propaganda) but without it then 3 per cent of the time the grid may be browned-out and 3 per cent is unacceptable. Jay, I hope you'll do a lot better than this .. for now this discussion is over..     

No I was talking about coal and gas plants. Here is the quote from my original post:

"Ah, poor Mark...The big question is how much longer can the Aussie gov't continue to not only subsidize your coal and natural gas plants but order them to be built? it is all very socialist authoritarian of you."

The government stepped in because the private sector wanted batteries. The swings in supply are better covered by batteries that work every day and don't just sit around losing money. That is why AGL is closing down one of its gas plants and replacing it with a battery. 

And here is another battery that will be working while Kuri Kuri is just sitting there:

Big $300m battery to be built without government aid in market first

Victoria will get Australia's first grid-scale battery built without government support by the end of 2022, marking what its proponent says is a tipping point in the electricity sector as storage prices tumble.

Lumea, the commercial arm of TransGrid, began taking expressions of interest on Monday for a giant 300-megawatt battery to be built at its Deer Park substation, west of Melbourne.

Source: https://pressfrom.info/au/news/australia/-410430-big-300m-battery-to-be-built-without-government-aid-in-market-first.html

Discussion is over? HaHa, runaway when you are losing, it is what you do best.

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3 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

No I was talking about coal and gas plants. Here is the quote from my original post:

"Ah, poor Mark...The big question is how much longer can the Aussie gov't continue to not only subsidize your coal and natural gas plants but order them to be built? it is all very socialist authoritarian of you."

The government stepped in because the private sector wanted batteries. The swings in supply are better covered by batteries that work every day and don't just sit around losing money. That is why AGL is closing down one of its gas plants and replacing it with a battery. 

And here is another battery that will be working while Kuri Kuri is just sitting there:

Big $300m battery to be built without government aid in market first

Victoria will get Australia's first grid-scale battery built without government support by the end of 2022, marking what its proponent says is a tipping point in the electricity sector as storage prices tumble.

Lumea, the commercial arm of TransGrid, began taking expressions of interest on Monday for a giant 300-megawatt battery to be built at its Deer Park substation, west of Melbourne.

Source: https://pressfrom.info/au/news/australia/-410430-big-300m-battery-to-be-built-without-government-aid-in-market-first.html

Discussion is over? HaHa, runaway when you are losing, it is what you do best.

Again, you don't get it. The commercial producers do not have an economic inducement to cover the holes in their capital's production capacity AFTER renewables are in place. However,their customers do need the 100% service uptime. So regulators step in and force the solution to plug the hole that the commercial Battery+renewables installations leave. That is why the NG peaker is there. For when batteries run out but power demand doesn't during the renewables downtime. . 

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33 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

Again, you don't get it. The commercial producers do not have an economic inducement to cover the holes in their capital's production capacity AFTER renewables are in place. However,their customers do need the 100% service uptime. So regulators step in and force the solution to plug the hole that the commercial Battery+renewables installations leave. That is why the NG peaker is there. For when batteries run out but power demand doesn't during the renewables downtime. . 

Let's be clear, the regulator said there was no need for the peaker. This was just government corruption.

They cited evidence from the Australian Energy Market Operator (Aemo) that there would not be a shortfall in dispatchable electricity – generation that can be turned on when required to support variable solar and wind – when Liddell closed. 

Mountain said several further commitments, including for several large batteries, had been made since Aemo’s forecast, strengthening the case that there would be a surplus of supply in 2023. The report said there were five large-scale batteries in the national electricity grid, seven under construction and 18 nearing final commitment.

The report cited Aemo’s integrated system plan, which modelled a lowest-cost optimal grid for 2040. It said Aemo found dispatchable gas generation could be needed for as little as 13 hours a year by 2030 under the rapid shift to renewable energy now under way.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/10/morrison-governments-600m-gas-power-plant-at-kurri-kurri-not-needed-and-wont-cover-costs-analysts-say

You don't get how much renewables and storage are coming online. That peaker is never going to be used, I was being way to generous with 2%. The job of the government was to build interconnects so that different regions could reinforce others but instead they wasted their money on this. The states had to step in and build the interconnects themselves. 

 

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48 minutes ago, 0R0 said:

That's for CCGT.

OCGT is much lower (no bottoming cycle). 40+ percent sounds about right. GE's OC efficiency or that machine (they call it "SC, for simple cycle) is quoted as 43%.

Until you get T3 (turbine inlet temp) up to about 3200 degrees F, OCGT will languish in the 40%'s

Unfortunately, at 3200 degrees F, the turbine first stage will liquefy.   That's as bad as the "she loves me, she loves me not" scenario.

BTW, the rule of thumb is:

"It takes 10 years of development to increase power plant efficiency by 1%"

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16 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

Called “ VOID OF WARRANTY “ then your shade tree mechanic can do anything he/she wants!

But since T cars are always hooked to the net, it means like Richard found out with his Model S on his youtube channel and why he has done a class action lawsuit against them, they will simply cut you off from charging on any network on anything other than SUPER SUPER slow mode as they black balled said car.  So, unless you cut off your T cars antenna and NEVER update said car....

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18 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Ah, must be a good little slave to the megacorporation because...... oh right, only THEY can fix stuff...

As if fixing stuff is difficult(time consuming yes, difficult, no)...

Buddy I started my first business at age 20, was multi by age 24 and have grown Exponentially, retired 4 times and become angle funder, I have qualified mechanic’s work on my really expensive vehicles not shade tree mechanic’s! So you keep ordering from whatever discount Chinese parts house and do it yourself!

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14 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

I have qualified mechanic’s work on my really expensive vehicles not shade tree mechanic’s! So you keep ordering from whatever discount Chinese parts house and do it yourself!

Meanwhile, here in the real world, not the 1% who can pay everyone else to do everything without ever asking what the price is, you have to ask the price and if you can't afford said price, you go elsewhere.... Of course said megacorp knows that those buying high end vehicles don't care about price and will not support said vehicles from anything other than certified mechanics... which just means certified rip off artists with a piece of paper on the wall...

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On 7/15/2021 at 4:41 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

Ah, poor Mark...The big question is how much longer can the Aussie gov't continue to not only subsidize your coal and natural gas plants but order them to be built? it is all very socialist authoritarian of you.

Electric Vehicle Registrations Increase Over 60% YOY In Australia — Greater Surge To Come

Great news. However, we have to realise that this comes off a low base. Penetration of the new vehicle market by EVs (BEVs and PHEVS) is estimated to reach 2% in Australia during 2021. It may actually exceed this, as pundits predict that Tesla will ship in 15,000 cars from China and Nexport is bringing in the more affordable BYD.

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/07/14/electric-vehicle-registrations-increase-over-60-yoy-in-australia-greater-surge-to-come/

Jay, you seem to be a recording stuck in one groove. The subject here is pollution caused by batteries, which is ugly stuff. Get with it, man.

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22 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Ah, must be a good little slave to the megacorporation because...... oh right, only THEY can fix stuff...

As if fixing stuff is difficult(time consuming yes, difficult, no)...

That is how the real world works. After the warranty period expires, third party mechanics can play a role.

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22 hours ago, Jay McKinsey said:

So let's be clear. If you are under warranty then the work is done for free. If you are out of warranty then you don't care. This is only about the situation where the damage is not covered by your warranty. In that case third party repair does not by default void the warranty. Only bad work.

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Note that Tesla is also authorizing 3rd party repair facilities to do warranty work.

Maybe you should actually read the warranty before making claims about it. Another swing and a miss for you.

Most warranty documents require regular servicing with the manufacturer, no third party, which would void the warranty. After warranty period is expired, you can use third party.

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1 minute ago, Ecocharger said:

Most warranty documents require regular servicing with the manufacturer, no third party, which would void the warranty. After warranty period is expired, you can use third party.

But not Tesla. 

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6 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Meanwhile, here in the real world, not the 1% who can pay everyone else to do everything without ever asking what the price is, you have to ask the price and if you can't afford said price, you go elsewhere.... Of course said megacorp knows that those buying high end vehicles don't care about price and will not support said vehicles from anything other than certified mechanics... which just means certified rip off artists with a piece of paper on the wall...

Whatever helps you sleep at night, EV’s are going to be so technical that your average mechanic’s will not have the necessary equipment to work on, This is not by accident, Auto Manufacturer’s make dealers, licensed dealers train and purchase specific equipment to work on new models for a reason, same reason Steve Jobs wanted End to End on motherboards!

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On 7/15/2021 at 5:25 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

You are so clueless, you think this is a negative. This is great news for the EV world. 3rd party mechanics will be able to make cheap repairs on EVs just like they do today on ICE.

 

That remains to be seen but will probably develop slowly as time goes on. Warranty worries may impede it however. 

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On 7/16/2021 at 7:42 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

No I was talking about coal and gas plants. Here is the quote from my original post:

"Ah, poor Mark...The big question is how much longer can the Aussie gov't continue to not only subsidize your coal and natural gas plants but order them to be built? it is all very socialist authoritarian of you."

The government stepped in because the private sector wanted batteries. The swings in supply are better covered by batteries that work every day and don't just sit around losing money. That is why AGL is closing down one of its gas plants and replacing it with a battery. 

And here is another battery that will be working while Kuri Kuri is just sitting there:

Big $300m battery to be built without government aid in market first

Victoria will get Australia's first grid-scale battery built without government support by the end of 2022, marking what its proponent says is a tipping point in the electricity sector as storage prices tumble.

Lumea, the commercial arm of TransGrid, began taking expressions of interest on Monday for a giant 300-megawatt battery to be built at its Deer Park substation, west of Melbourne.

Source: https://pressfrom.info/au/news/australia/-410430-big-300m-battery-to-be-built-without-government-aid-in-market-first.html

Discussion is over? HaHa, runaway when you are losing, it is what you do best.

Here are the real sources of energy in Australia with up to date figures. You like to make it sound like Australia is some greenie paradise. It is actually using common sense. https://www.energy.gov.au/sites/default/files/Australian Energy Statistics 2020 Energy Update Report_0.pdf

Fossil fuel use is 93.6 %  Renewables 6.4%

 

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On 7/16/2021 at 11:00 PM, Jay McKinsey said:

Let's be clear, the regulator said there was no need for the peaker. This was just government corruption.

They cited evidence from the Australian Energy Market Operator (Aemo) that there would not be a shortfall in dispatchable electricity – generation that can be turned on when required to support variable solar and wind – when Liddell closed. 

Mountain said several further commitments, including for several large batteries, had been made since Aemo’s forecast, strengthening the case that there would be a surplus of supply in 2023. The report said there were five large-scale batteries in the national electricity grid, seven under construction and 18 nearing final commitment.

The report cited Aemo’s integrated system plan, which modelled a lowest-cost optimal grid for 2040. It said Aemo found dispatchable gas generation could be needed for as little as 13 hours a year by 2030 under the rapid shift to renewable energy now under way.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jun/10/morrison-governments-600m-gas-power-plant-at-kurri-kurri-not-needed-and-wont-cover-costs-analysts-say

You don't get how much renewables and storage are coming online. That peaker is never going to be used, I was being way to generous with 2%. The job of the government was to build interconnects so that different regions could reinforce others but instead they wasted their money on this. The states had to step in and build the interconnects themselves. 

 

We are not close to 2030 and good decisions are not made with speculation. The consumers will pay the price for green fairy tales.

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10 hours ago, Ecocharger said:

 The subject here is pollution caused by batteries, which is ugly stuff. Get with it, man.

Do you accept that ICE vehicles produce a lot of battery pollution as well? 

All those plastic boxes full of sulfuric acid and lead add up too you know.

 

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13 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

Buddy I started my first business at age 20, was multi by age 24 and have grown Exponentially, retired 4 times and become angle funder, I have qualified mechanic’s work on my really expensive vehicles not shade tree mechanic’s! So you keep ordering from whatever discount Chinese parts house and do it yourself!

So, you think that I should pay the dealerships for my automotive repairs? That would double or triple my expenditures. I can get better mechanics on my own. 

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