California breaks 1 GW energy storage milestone

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On 7/16/2021 at 2:57 AM, QuarterCenturyVet said:

Super. 

Now all you need is to create 710× that to power California every day for a year, let alone charge it every day for the amount of EVs you seem to think will be on the road. 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2015/05/f22/CA-Energy%20Sector%20Risk%20Profile.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjGp_7HgOfxAhXTrJ4KHXQNBmIQFnoECAUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2xqzvdph3C7UnFe6P5_FUw

No kidding, What they spent to get to that point could have been better spent! 

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On 7/16/2021 at 3:56 AM, Jay McKinsey said:

 

Actually about 100x. Our studies indicate we will need around 550GWh of storage by 2045 to go carbon free. Much of that will be technologies other than batteries. We are at about 5GWh right now.  

Pipe dreams, come 2045 you will be dead and most the world will be bankrupt by not using what is under there sovereign land! This is the tipping point that the crazy greenies have last ditch effort to push. The EU may go for this but then again those countries had there asses handed to them twice by Germany and now Germany has finally won with running the EU! 
 

Americans will not be running to save your asses a third time….

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1 hour ago, nsdp said:

The problem comes when there is a grid fault and the phases go asynchronous  producing zero or negative  sequence power.https://circuitglobe.com/zero-sequence-current.html and https://circuitglobe.com/phase-shift-in-star-delta-transformer.html The unique structure  of quantum mechanics allows for only whole energy levels; you cannot  exist between two levels or go  backward. Starting at 15 minutes and ends at 22minutes Jim Al-Kahlili explains the discontinuity between the  world of newtonian physics and subatomic quantum physics. Ernest Rutherford and Neils Bohr discovered this over 100 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOJFznzSZhM  

If you have any level of phase current imbalance, you have negative sequence currents.  It's a matter of degree of imbalance.  Grid faults must be quickly cleared.

Rotating machines don't "like" that either.  Think "french-fried" generator rotors.

I recall protective relaying at the plant level to detect this.  I do recall metering, as well.

Plant operators had difficulty wrapping their heads around the concept.

Edited July 25, 2021 by turbguy

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46 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

Pipe dreams, come 2045 you will be dead and most the world will be bankrupt by not using what is under there sovereign land! This is the tipping point that the crazy greenies have last ditch effort to push. The EU may go for this but then again those countries had there asses handed to them twice by Germany and now Germany has finally won with running the EU! 
 

Americans will not be running to save your asses a third time….

The USA is going to use what is above our sovereign land. It is more valuable than what is below. 

 

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😂😂😂😂 LOL, You should get your own comedy podcast.

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On 7/24/2021 at 2:04 AM, Jay McKinsey said:

Virtual inertia with grid forming inverters: https://reneweconomy.com.au/virtual-inertia-in-practice-how-south-australias-second-big-battery-made-its-mark-12934/

PG&E has also begun rolling this out.

Virtual inertia is like a virtual girl friend. A virtual girl friend won't do anything to keep you warm at night.  Virtual inertia is as useless.  you get 2-3 seconds. 

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Those pros stem from a spinning rotor’s mechanical and electromagnetic inertia, which make the machines more tolerant of grid disturbances.

Severe voltage drops, for example, hobble SVCs, whose reactive power output drops at double the rate of line voltage. In contrast, a synchronous condenser’s spinning rotor keeps on pumping out reactive power. It will also generate real power if needed, moderating the drop in AC frequency that would result, say, from shutting down a power plant.

And the condenser’s output can briefly handle several times its rated capacity for tens of seconds as its metal components heat up temporarily—behavior that is not possible for devices relying on comparatively fragile silicon switches. “Because they’re iron and copper, they have a lot of overload capability. You can’t overload silicon significantly,” says Nicholas Miller, a power systems expert with GE Energy Consulting, in Schenectady, N.Y.

New synchronous condensers remain 10 to 20 percent more costly per VAR of reactive power capacity than an SVC, say utility planners. But converting a well-maintained generator can be quicker and cheaper.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/the-smarter-grid/zombie-coal-plants-reanimated-to-stabilize-the-grid

Headquarters engineers are good a theory but useless in the real world. Example of PG&E headquarters engineering. https://lightonconspiracies.com/smart-meters-recalls-replacements-fires/

Consequences of office engineering  https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/ir/2019/NIST.IR.8248.pdf

"A recent test conducted in Europe on European watt-hour meters [1,2] found that when some smart meters measured energy usage under AC waveforms that were extremely non-sinusoidal, the reported energy usage had very large measurement errors, up to 500 %. That test subjected the smart meters to electrical waveforms with voltage and current spikes of short duration and high amplitude, such as produced with light emitting diode ( LED) lights that are dimmed with solid-state electronic switches with dimmer control."  This is another example of why you don't want desk engineers making   multimillion d0llar decisions.  Another example of office idiots not knowing the difference between mechanical and electronic systems.

 

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17 hours ago, nsdp said:

Virtual inertia is like a virtual girl friend. A virtual girl friend won't do anything to keep you warm at night.  Virtual inertia is as useless.  you get 2-3 seconds. 

"A recent test conducted in Europe on European watt-hour meters [1,2] found that when some smart meters measured energy usage under AC waveforms that were extremely non-sinusoidal, the reported energy usage had very large measurement errors, up to 500 %.

 

 

There has been a book about supercomputer, virtual game the owner and the invited guest played...... It might have mentioned one could actually feel virtual touch and virtual warmth...... with the right techniques...

500% of measurement error?? How ironic that it is called a smart meter.......

Can someone invent a dummy current stabilizer that could be placed next to the meter please?

Edited July 26, 2021 by specinho

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California Community Choice Aggregators sign contracts for 778MW of renewables and 118.75MW of storage

https://www.pv-tech.org/california-community-choice-aggregators-sign-contracts-for-778mw-of-renewables-and-118-75mw-of-storage/

 

Edited July 29, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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The beloved California Greenies:

Local residents, ranchers, and farmers are opposing plans for the largest solar power facility in the San Francisco Bay Area, suing the county that approved the project and potentially opening future projects in California to opposition.

While most Californians approve of the state’s ambitious clean energy goals, some people living close to proposed large projects are in the ‘not in my backyard (NIMBY)’ camp, saying that industrial-scale solar projects take up a lot of land and ruin the views.

“It would be a sea of glass,” Chris O’Brien, a supporter of renewable energy but opponent of the Aramis project in North Livermore Valley, told Bloomberg.

O’Brien chairs the Save North Livermore Valley group, which opposes the Aramis solar project, approved by the Alameda County Board of Supervisors earlier this year.  

North Livermore Valley is one of the few unspoiled scenic corridors and agricultural areas remaining in Alameda County, the group says, adding that “If we do not challenge in the Court the County’s approval of the Aramis Project the precedent will be created that industrial solar power plants qualify as appropriate uses of land zoned for agricultural and rural residential uses throughout Alameda County.”

The Aramis Renewable Energy Project, developed by Intersect Power, was unanimously approved by Alameda County earlier this year.

The local organizations of ranchers and farmers are suing Alameda County about the project, but Intersect Power’s CEO Sheldon Kimber told Bloomberg that the lawsuit wouldn’t impact the project’s timeline. The Aramis project, which will include solar plus battery storage to provide clean electricity to 25,000 homes and businesses in the Bay Area annually, is expected to start operations in 2023.

The opposition to this project could spread to other, especially large-scale, projects and undermine the timeline of California to decarbonize its power grid.

Earlier this year, the California Energy Commission (CEC), California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC), and California Air Resources Board (CARB) said that California would need to roughly triple its current electricity grid capacity and sustain its expansion of clean electricity generation capacity at a record-breaking rate for the next 25 years if it wants its electricity system to become carbon free by 2045.

Last month, CPUC ordered utilities to procure 11.5 gigawatts from zero-emission electricity sources in what it described “a historic decision” aimed at ensuring reliability and the state’s clean energy goals

Oh Why, Why, Can somebody please explain this states love for green energy, WHHYYY……..

🙄🙄🙄🙄

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1 hour ago, RichieRich216 said:

The beloved California Greenies:

Local residents, ranchers, and farmers are opposing plans for the largest solar power facility in the San Francisco Bay Area, suing the county that approved the project and potentially opening future projects in California to opposition.

While most Californians approve of the state’s ambitious clean energy goals, some people living close to proposed large projects are in the ‘not in my backyard (NIMBY)’ camp, saying that industrial-scale solar projects take up a lot of land and ruin the views.

“It would be a sea of glass,” Chris O’Brien, a supporter of renewable energy but opponent of the Aramis project in North Livermore Valley, told Bloomberg.

O’Brien chairs the Save North Livermore Valley group, which opposes the Aramis solar project, approved by the Alameda County Board of Supervisors earlier this year.  

North Livermore Valley is one of the few unspoiled scenic corridors and agricultural areas remaining in Alameda County, the group says, adding that “If we do not challenge in the Court the County’s approval of the Aramis Project the precedent will be created that industrial solar power plants qualify as appropriate uses of land zoned for agricultural and rural residential uses throughout Alameda County.”

The Aramis Renewable Energy Project, developed by Intersect Power, was unanimously approved by Alameda County earlier this year.

The local organizations of ranchers and farmers are suing Alameda County about the project, but Intersect Power’s CEO Sheldon Kimber told Bloomberg that the lawsuit wouldn’t impact the project’s timeline. The Aramis project, which will include solar plus battery storage to provide clean electricity to 25,000 homes and businesses in the Bay Area annually, is expected to start operations in 2023.

The opposition to this project could spread to other, especially large-scale, projects and undermine the timeline of California to decarbonize its power grid.

Earlier this year, the California Energy Commission (CEC), California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC), and California Air Resources Board (CARB) said that California would need to roughly triple its current electricity grid capacity and sustain its expansion of clean electricity generation capacity at a record-breaking rate for the next 25 years if it wants its electricity system to become carbon free by 2045.

Last month, CPUC ordered utilities to procure 11.5 gigawatts from zero-emission electricity sources in what it described “a historic decision” aimed at ensuring reliability and the state’s clean energy goals

Oh Why, Why, Can somebody please explain this states love for green energy, WHHYYY……..

🙄🙄🙄🙄

They would be just as upset if a fossil fuel plant were proposed there. They are anti development, this has nothing to do with the type of energy. They will lose and we will have a nice new solar farm. 

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2 hours ago, RichieRich216 said:

The beloved California Greenies:

Local residents, ranchers, and farmers are opposing plans for the largest solar power facility in the San Francisco Bay Area, suing the county that approved the project and potentially opening future projects in California to opposition.

While most Californians approve of the state’s ambitious clean energy goals, some people living close to proposed large projects are in the ‘not in my backyard (NIMBY)’ camp, saying that industrial-scale solar projects take up a lot of land and ruin the views.

“It would be a sea of glass,” Chris O’Brien, a supporter of renewable energy but opponent of the Aramis project in North Livermore Valley, told Bloomberg.

O’Brien chairs the Save North Livermore Valley group, which opposes the Aramis solar project, approved by the Alameda County Board of Supervisors earlier this year.  

North Livermore Valley is one of the few unspoiled scenic corridors and agricultural areas remaining in Alameda County, the group says, adding that “If we do not challenge in the Court the County’s approval of the Aramis Project the precedent will be created that industrial solar power plants qualify as appropriate uses of land zoned for agricultural and rural residential uses throughout Alameda County.”

The Aramis Renewable Energy Project, developed by Intersect Power, was unanimously approved by Alameda County earlier this year.

The local organizations of ranchers and farmers are suing Alameda County about the project, but Intersect Power’s CEO Sheldon Kimber told Bloomberg that the lawsuit wouldn’t impact the project’s timeline. The Aramis project, which will include solar plus battery storage to provide clean electricity to 25,000 homes and businesses in the Bay Area annually, is expected to start operations in 2023.

The opposition to this project could spread to other, especially large-scale, projects and undermine the timeline of California to decarbonize its power grid.

Earlier this year, the California Energy Commission (CEC), California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC), and California Air Resources Board (CARB) said that California would need to roughly triple its current electricity grid capacity and sustain its expansion of clean electricity generation capacity at a record-breaking rate for the next 25 years if it wants its electricity system to become carbon free by 2045.

Last month, CPUC ordered utilities to procure 11.5 gigawatts from zero-emission electricity sources in what it described “a historic decision” aimed at ensuring reliability and the state’s clean energy goals

Oh Why, Why, Can somebody please explain this states love for green energy, WHHYYY……..

🙄🙄🙄🙄

Typical NIMBY.

Nothing new here, at all.

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1 hour ago, Jay McKinsey said:

They would be just as upset if a fossil fuel plant were proposed there. They are anti development, this has nothing to do with the type of energy. They will lose and we will have a nice new solar farm. 

🤣

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On 7/25/2021 at 12:33 AM, RichieRich216 said:

The EU may go for this but then again those countries had there asses handed to them twice by Germany and now Germany has finally won with running the EU! 

Hope you're not including Great Britain in that, then again we arent part of the EU anymore.

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No, There the only Country that faced the worst odds and had the balls to stand up to Germany!

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Well, this just sucks. 

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Teslas-Giant-Australian-Battery-Bursts-Into-Flames.html

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1 hour ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

Well, this just sucks. 

https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Teslas-Giant-Australian-Battery-Bursts-Into-Flames.html

A small unit of the battery caught fire on its first test. What do you do when your whole coal pile catches on fire?

A coal fire has been burning at the Pawnee Power Plant in Brush for over two weeks, as it was first reported to the Brush Volunteer Fire Department on Monday, July 19 as having started July 14.

https://www.fortmorgantimes.com/2021/07/29/xcel-energy-reports-crews-are-making-good-progress-on-pawnee-power-plant-coal-fire/

Edited July 31, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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24 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

A small unit of the battery caught fire on its first test. What do you do when your whole coal pile catches on fire?

A coal fire has been burning at the Pawnee Power Plant in Brush for over two weeks, as it was first reported to the Brush Volunteer Fire Department on Monday, July 19 as having started July 14.

https://www.fortmorgantimes.com/2021/07/29/xcel-energy-reports-crews-are-making-good-progress-on-pawnee-power-plant-coal-fire/

The earth didn't make batteries. Humans did. 

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Just now, QuarterCenturyVet said:

The earth didn't make batteries. Humans did. 

The earth doesn't use coal to make electricity. Humans do.

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27 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

The earth doesn't use coal to make electricity. Humans do.

Humans make electricity out of many things. Maybe we should more focused on real solutions, like new nuclear, other than intermittent garbage and batteries. 

Perhaps you can focus on Tesla coils. 😉

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8 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

Humans make electricity out of many things. Maybe we should more focused on real solutions, like new nuclear, other than intermittent garbage and batteries. 

Perhaps you can focus on Tesla coils. 😉

Using the big fusion reactor in the sky seems like the best solution.

[QuarterCenturyVet + 312]

17 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Using the big fusion reactor in the sky seems like the best solution.

Again, you'll need storage to utilize that to any effective degree, and then build 3× the capacity to keep up. 

It's like you think using 1000BC sun dials and 14th century windmills is progress. 

Maybe we should be looking forward a bit further than just intermittent garbage with backup batteries that spontaneously combust. 

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There's a whole bunch of useable energy just a couple miles below our feet.

That needs further development, IMO.

The Petroleum industry really seems to be primed and experienced to exploit that source.

Is it the lack of Depletion Allowances standing in the way?

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13 hours ago, turbguy said:

There's a whole bunch of useable energy just a couple miles below our feet.

That needs further development, IMO.

The Petroleum industry really seems to be primed and experienced to exploit that source.

Is it the lack of Depletion Allowances standing in the way?

The oil patch's number one loop hole is still there.