The Climate Scare Stories Began With Far Left Ideology Per GreenPeace Co-Founder

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https://www.theepochtimes.com/climate-scare-story-began-with-far-left-ideology-greenpeace-co-founder_3916103.html

Patrick Moore talks about why he left Greenpeace and why the the push for net-zero emissions is an unattainable goal

BY ISAAC TEO

 

July 27, 2021 Updated: July 27, 2021

Excerpt:

The Importance of Carbon Dioxide

When it comes to climate change, the continued narrative of carbon dioxide being a “bad thing” and “destroying the world” is contrary to what the scientific community has found, Moore says. 

Moore currently serves as a director of the CO2 Coalition, established in 2015 to create educational material on the importance of carbon dioxide. The organization has published papers presenting scientific data to dispute that CO2 emissions are causing global warming. 

Contrary to what climate alarmists claim, Moore says, “carbon dioxide is the basis of all life on Earth.”

“It makes the oceans less alkaline, thus making it suitable for life,” and “on land, CO2 makes the greening of the Earth plus it makes plants more efficient with water.” 

In April 2016, an article published in Nature funded in part by NASA found that CO2 fertilization has had significant impact on the greening of the planet.

“From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide,” reads a post on NASA’s site on the study.

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9 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/climate-scare-story-began-with-far-left-ideology-greenpeace-co-founder_3916103.html

Patrick Moore talks about why he left Greenpeace and why the the push for net-zero emissions is an unattainable goal

BY ISAAC TEO

 

July 27, 2021 Updated: July 27, 2021

Excerpt:

The Importance of Carbon Dioxide

When it comes to climate change, the continued narrative of carbon dioxide being a “bad thing” and “destroying the world” is contrary to what the scientific community has found, Moore says. 

Moore currently serves as a director of the CO2 Coalition, established in 2015 to create educational material on the importance of carbon dioxide. The organization has published papers presenting scientific data to dispute that CO2 emissions are causing global warming. 

Contrary to what climate alarmists claim, Moore says, “carbon dioxide is the basis of all life on Earth.”

“It makes the oceans less alkaline, thus making it suitable for life,” and “on land, CO2 makes the greening of the Earth plus it makes plants more efficient with water.” 

In April 2016, an article published in Nature funded in part by NASA found that CO2 fertilization has had significant impact on the greening of the planet.

“From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide,” reads a post on NASA’s site on the study.

He also published a paper that refutes the idiotic "ocean acidification" narrative bandied about by the unscientific left. 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/297917740_Ocean_Acidification_Alarmism_in_Perspective

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20 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

He also published a paper that refutes the idiotic "ocean acidification" narrative bandied about by the unscientific left. 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/297917740_Ocean_Acidification_Alarmism_in_Perspective

Thanks for the link! 

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19 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Patrick Moore talks about why he left Greenpeace and why the the push for net-zero emissions is an unattainable goal

The net zero goal would have to be the most absurd nonsense that has ever surfaced in a modern public debate. There is simply no way it will ever be achieved. At best emissions world wide might be held steady - that is, prevented from increasing - and even that would require political will and commitment to the green cause simply not evident at all in developing countries. It is difficult to believe that people seriously repeat this nonsense.. 

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20 hours ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

He also published a paper that refutes the idiotic "ocean acidification" narrative bandied about by the unscientific left. 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/297917740_Ocean_Acidification_Alarmism_in_Perspective

By unscientific left you mean research organizations like NOAA, Smithsonian, Union of Concerned Scientists, Scripps, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc... . But of course the guy who works for oil companies and who repeatedly claims to have been a green peace founder even though thoroughly debunked is the guy who gets it right. Your obvious charlatanism and paid propaganda are easily seen through. That is why you have lost the argument. 

https://www.noaa.gov/education/resource-collections/ocean-coasts/ocean-acidification

https://ocean.si.edu/ocean-life/invertebrates/ocean-acidification

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/co2-and-ocean-acidification

https://scripps.ucsd.edu/research/climate-change-resources/faq-ocean-acidification

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You might take a look at Patrick Moore's bio to see where he is coming from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore_(consultant)

His statements on CO2 are very seriously out of date. Almost all of the rest of his objections to Greenpeace's positions are at least defensible.

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2 hours ago, markslawson said:

The net zero goal would have to be the most absurd nonsense that has ever surfaced in a modern public debate. There is simply no way it will ever be achieved. At best emissions world wide might be held steady - that is, prevented from increasing - and even that would require political will and commitment to the green cause simply not evident at all in developing countries. It is difficult to believe that people seriously repeat this nonsense.. 

It will take a long time for Asia, the main polluter, to get off of coal. Several decades IMO. They will try and make claims like for the future like China is. Expensive energy will reduce the competitiveness of those who overdo the green dream. We are also expected to pick up part of the tab for the Third World nations. We need to slow down and watch out for ourselves as well as the rest of the world. 

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15 minutes ago, Dan Clemmensen said:

You might take a look at Patrick Moore's bio to see where he is coming from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Moore_(consultant)

His statements on CO2 are very seriously out of date. Almost all of the rest of his objections to Greenpeace's positions are at least defensible.

I do not trust Wikipedia for anything regarding politics relating to science. They are now far left. I only use them for other subjects or pull out unbiased information. I have been following Global Warming AKA Climate Change and Just Plain Weather since it became a topic of interest. Here are my story links 1,368 of them  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vHU2hHXebxpvExT7srNNnX-VM7Qn9Ak_ZmdKCIcUti8/edit

 

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Ah yes the biggest ongoing Ponzi scam ever….

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15 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

It will take a long time for Asia, the main polluter, to get off of coal. Several decades IMO. They will try and make claims like for the future like China is. Expensive energy will reduce the competitiveness of those who overdo the green dream. We are also expected to pick up part of the tab for the Third World nations. We need to slow down and watch out for ourselves as well as the rest of the world. 

Several decades is the plan. Duh.  Paris calls for 2050 and China agreed to 2060.

"Picking up the tab" aka investing and making money.

Renewable energy is not the expensive choice. 

Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, June 22, 2021 – The share of renewable energy that achieved lower costs than the most competitive fossil fuel option doubled in 2020, a new report by the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) shows. 162 gigawatts (GW) or 62 per cent of total renewable power generation added last year had lower costs than the cheapest new fossil fuel option. https://www.irena.org/newsroom/pressreleases/2021/Jun/Majority-of-New-Renewables-Undercut-Cheapest-Fossil-Fuel-on-Cost

 

Full speed ahead!

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3 hours ago, markslawson said:

The net zero goal would have to be the most absurd nonsense that has ever surfaced in a modern public debate. There is simply no way it will ever be achieved. At best emissions world wide might be held steady - that is, prevented from increasing - and even that would require political will and commitment to the green cause simply not evident at all in developing countries. It is difficult to believe that people seriously repeat this nonsense.. 

Absolutely correct, Net Zero is not attainable! 

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4 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Several decades is the plan. Duh.  Paris calls for 2050 and China agreed to 2060.

"Picking up the tab" aka investing and making money.

Renewable energy is not the expensive choice. 

Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, June 22, 2021 – The share of renewable energy that achieved lower costs than the most competitive fossil fuel option doubled in 2020, a new report by the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) shows. 162 gigawatts (GW) or 62 per cent of total renewable power generation added last year had lower costs than the cheapest new fossil fuel option. https://www.irena.org/newsroom/pressreleases/2021/Jun/Majority-of-New-Renewables-Undercut-Cheapest-Fossil-Fuel-on-Cost

 

Full speed ahead!

Tell it to Asia. China will be selling us most of the goods needed to produce the solar panels and wind turbines while burning coal. 

I am for using natural gas and renewables to replace coal. Natural gas for large transportation like ships and for trucks along with diesel. Gasoline fueled ICE cars will be around for decades also. 

I have heard many claims for 2035 goals on renewables also. China is not to be trusted even for 2060 or anything else IMO. 

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Regarding Wikipedia's Political Slant per Larry Sanger Co-Founder: 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/wikipedia-co-founder-larry-sanger-propaganda

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37 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

It will take a long time for Asia, the main polluter, to get off of coal. Several decades IMO. They will try and make claims like for the future like China is. Expensive energy will reduce the competitiveness of those who overdo the green dream. We are also expected to pick up part of the tab for the Third World nations. We need to slow down and watch out for ourselves as well as the rest of the world. 

They are not going to get off coal, It’s completely bullshit they are pushing, They will continue to use the cheapest fuel available to expand and help fake the value of their currency. The United States is so stupid, when Obama came to office we had 100 thousand Chinese students at major colleges, by the end it was 300 thousand and they stole any and all technology they could and took it with them. Now there are 2 large scale projects recently discovered where they are installing nuke silos adding hundreds of ICBM’s! We will be in a war with them coming very soon and Russia will back them! 

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I think Russia will cooperate with China while always having to watch their back. https://doaj.org/article/e13ccf17e7e54ebd97c0f6ee0f207dfa

https://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82969&page=1

 The diaspora is also near their border in Central Asia 

https://fpc.org.uk/chinese-expansion-in-central-asia-problems-and-perspectives/

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16 minutes ago, RichieRich216 said:

They are not going to get off coal, It’s completely bullshit they are pushing, They will continue to use the cheapest fuel available to expand and help fake the value of their currency. The United States is so stupid, when Obama came to office we had 100 thousand Chinese students at major colleges, by the end it was 300 thousand and they stole any and all technology they could and took it with them. Now there are 2 large scale projects recently discovered where they are installing nuke silos adding hundreds of ICBM’s! We will be in a war with them coming very soon and Russia will back them! 

Obama was and is very smart and very devious. He and the openly leftist Democrats have taken over the party. Obama laid the groundwork and worked together with the government unions and Deep State favorites to take it over. There were plenty of scandals about how it worked against President Trump and prior Republican presidents 

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6 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Tell it to Asia. China will be selling us most of the goods needed to produce the solar panels and wind turbines while burning coal. 

I am for using natural gas and renewables to replace coal. Natural gas for large transportation like ships and for trucks along with diesel. Gasoline fueled ICE cars will be around for decades also. 

I have heard many claims for 2035 goals on renewables also. China is not to be trusted even for 2060 or anything else IMO. 

I get to wonder, who to trust?

Phillip Morris, Johns-Manville, The Ethyl Corp?

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9 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Obama was and is very smart and very devious. He and the openly leftist Democrats have taken over the party. Obama laid the groundwork and worked together with the government unions and Deep State favorites to take it over. There were plenty of scandals about how it worked against President Trump and prior Republican presidents 

Please tell us more about how Obama laid the groundwork that affected prior Republican presidents. I'm always up some good time travel stories. Particularly let's hear about how Obama is responsible for Watergate, Iran-Contra, and the non existent WMD.

Edited July 29, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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1 minute ago, Jay McKinsey said:

Please tell us more about how Obama laid the groundwork that affected prior Republican presidents. I'm always up some good time travel fiction. Particularly let's hear about how Obama is responsible for Watergate, Iran-Contra, and the non existent WMD.

That was long before his time. The State Department has had communists in it since FDR. That is why we let Mao take over China. 

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23 hours ago, ronwagn said:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/climate-scare-story-began-with-far-left-ideology-greenpeace-co-founder_3916103.html

Patrick Moore talks about why he left Greenpeace and why the the push for net-zero emissions is an unattainable goal

BY ISAAC TEO

 

July 27, 2021 Updated: July 27, 2021

Excerpt:

The Importance of Carbon Dioxide

When it comes to climate change, the continued narrative of carbon dioxide being a “bad thing” and “destroying the world” is contrary to what the scientific community has found, Moore says. 

Moore currently serves as a director of the CO2 Coalition, established in 2015 to create educational material on the importance of carbon dioxide. The organization has published papers presenting scientific data to dispute that CO2 emissions are causing global warming. 

Contrary to what climate alarmists claim, Moore says, “carbon dioxide is the basis of all life on Earth.”

“It makes the oceans less alkaline, thus making it suitable for life,” and “on land, CO2 makes the greening of the Earth plus it makes plants more efficient with water.” 

In April 2016, an article published in Nature funded in part by NASA found that CO2 fertilization has had significant impact on the greening of the planet.

“From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide,” reads a post on NASA’s site on the study.

Patrick more is fabricating a falsehood (aka lying) when he claims to be a Greenpeace founder. 

Patrick Moore Did Not Found Greenpeace

Patrick Moore frequently portrays himself as a founder or co-founder of Greenpeace, and many news outlets have repeated this characterization. Although Mr. Moore played a significant role in Greenpeace Canada for several years, he did not found Greenpeace. Phil Cote, Irving Stowe, and Jim Bohlen founded Greenpeace in 1970. Patrick Moore applied for a berth on the Phyllis Cormack in March, 1971 after the organization had already been in existence for a year. A copy of his application letter and Greenpeace’s response are available here (PDF).

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9 minutes ago, turbguy said:

I get to wonder, who to trust?

Phillip Morris, Johns-Manville, The Ethyl Corp?

None of the above. China is far worse though. Ask the minority and religious groups in China plus the middle class and victims of the agricultural communes. Something like twenty million dead during his time. 

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7 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

That was long before his time. The State Department has had communists in it since FDR. That is why we let Mao take over China. 

But you said Obama laid the groundwork for the scandals that worked against prior Republican Presidents. Those were the big scandals for  three prior elected Republican Presidents.

"Obama laid the groundwork and worked together with the government unions and Deep State favorites to take it over. There were plenty of scandals about how it worked against President Trump and prior Republican presidents"

 

 

Edited July 29, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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8 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

But you said Obama laid the groundwork for the scandals that worked against prior Republican Presidents. Those were the big scandals for  three prior elected Republican Presidents.

"Obama laid the groundwork and worked together with the government unions and Deep State favorites to take it over. There were plenty of scandals about how it worked against President Trump and prior Republican presidents"

See Part Two of The Obama Administration Scandals https://docs.google.com/document/d/11axnqv_b3L2k9CD6HWNMwrdIECJZSxowxjO4RIc-rbE/edit 

 

I was referring to the Deep State. Obama did what he could during his time. 

 

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3 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

I was referring to the Deep State. Obama did what he could during his time. 

 

And now you are adding things to the quote of my post!? WTF Ron?

I did not write 

See Part Two of The Obama Administration Scandals https://docs.google.com/document/d/11axnqv_b3L2k9CD6HWNMwrdIECJZSxowxjO4RIc-rbE/edit 

Edited July 29, 2021 by Jay McKinsey

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2 minutes ago, Jay McKinsey said:

And now you are adding things to the quote of my post!? WTF Ron?

It, obviously meaning the Deep State. Obama is not an it.