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On 11/22/2021 at 8:23 AM, ronwagn said:

It happened in or later than 2016?  Trump was already in office, and he was turbocharging the carbon economy.  ESG and Renewables were unimportant to America - what's wrong with disposing to the Chinese?

https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/15/opinions/its-the-oil-stupid-jacobs/index.html

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4 hours ago, Hotone said:

It happened in or later than 2016?  Trump was already in office, and he was turbocharging the carbon economy.  ESG and Renewables were unimportant to America - what's wrong with disposing to the Chinese?

https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/15/opinions/its-the-oil-stupid-jacobs/index.html

Trump represented the last dying squeak of US interest in real economy in general?

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That’s what happens when you push clean coal. Lol But no fear. Long after Trump is gone and buried there will be people who cheer anything wrong. Hate will find a victim. 

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9 hours ago, Hotone said:

It happened in or later than 2016?  Trump was already in office, and he was turbocharging the carbon economy.  ESG and Renewables were unimportant to America - what's wrong with disposing to the Chinese?

https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/15/opinions/its-the-oil-stupid-jacobs/index.html

Renewables were going as fast as they could then too, under an "all of the above" energy strategy that made sense and met the worlds needs. We have now seen that. The whole "Green Dream" is already a nightmare. Limiting fossil fuel production and use causes energy price inflation. Energy prices are going through the roof while "scarce" metals like lithium ( one of the most common metals on earth" even in California) also have prices going through the roof. You are in denial of what is going on in the world. https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/lithium

Russia and China will benefit greatly from the stupidity of the West until they see the light and let green technology grow slowly and naturally as economics dictates. The middle class has to demand it since they are the ones who cannot afford the energy and are not making money on stock portfolios to any great extent. We are also suffering greatly from very high inflation that is lowering our real standard of living even if our wages are increasing slightly. Those on fixed retirements or with bonds are also losing our real income through inflation. 

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SEPTEMBER 17, 2021

The U.S. exported slightly more petroleum than it imported in the first half of 2021

U.S. crude oil and petroleum product trade

Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Petroleum Supply Monthly

Our Petroleum Supply Monthly trade data show that the United States exported more crude oil and petroleum products than it imported during the first half of 2021 by 120,000 barrels per day (b/d), or less than 1% of combined crude oil and petroleum product exports and imports.

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So the US is energy independent and Ron calls that stupid. End exports to other nations and oil prices in the US would drop like a rock. Clearly rednecks can’t read charts or understand how the market works. 
PS what Biden did by releasing 50 million barrels from the spr was in connection with China, Japan, India, S Korea the UK etc. This was a team message to OPEC and Russia who are artificially holding back oil supply. But Ron being chief redneck of the Trump propaganda machine missed that little detail. Lol

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Should you support nat gas or oil exports if it creates an artificial shortage that cost consumers. It happened in Australia with nat gas. All you do is oversell exports and leave local demand short on supply. Some rednecks would say just drill more. Others would say, don’t export, we have plenty if you leave foreigners out of it.

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3 hours ago, Boat said:

That’s what happens when you push clean coal. Lol But no fear. Long after Trump is gone and buried there will be people who cheer anything wrong. Hate will find a victim. 

The hate is from the left. Waukegan is only the latest example. Check Chicago shootings every weekend. Check who runs Chicago and how many criminals they fail to prosecute. 

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2 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Renewables were going as fast as they could then too, under an "all of the above" energy strategy that made sense and met the worlds needs. We have now seen that. The whole "Green Dream" is already a nightmare. Limiting fossil fuel production and use causes energy price inflation. Energy prices are going through the roof while "scarce" metals like lithium ( one of the most common metals on earth" even in California) also have prices going through the roof. You are in denial of what is going on in the world. https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/lithium

Russia and China will benefit greatly from the stupidity of the West until they see the light and let green technology grow slowly and naturally as economics dictates. The middle class has to demand it since they are the ones who cannot afford the energy and are not making money on stock portfolios to any great extent. We are also suffering greatly from very high inflation that is lowering our real standard of living even if our wages are increasing slightly. Those on fixed retirements or with bonds are also losing our real income through inflation. 

Serves you right for claiming to be the free ones. May I quote

“In England, America, France, Germany the malicious nature of the governments is disguised so masterfully, that the people of these nations, pointing at Russia, are naively convinced that all the events taking place in Russia are unique to it, wherefore they are enjoying the ultimate freedom and their conditions don’t need improvement. That makes them the most hopeless sort of slaves - the slaves who don’t realize that they are slaves and are proud of their slavery”.

Leo Tolstoy, 1905

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14 minutes ago, Boat said:

So the US is energy independent and Ron calls that stupid. End exports to other nations and oil prices in the US would drop like a rock. Clearly rednecks can’t read charts or understand how the market works. 
PS what Biden did by releasing 50 million barrels from the spr was in connection with China, Japan, India, S Korea the UK etc. This was a team message to OPEC and Russia who are artificially holding back oil supply. But Ron being chief redneck of the Trump propaganda machine missed that little detail. Lol

Why not formulate your own opinions instead of making up mine. I am in favor of controlling exports whenever they cause high prices in America. Did you vote for Joe Biden?

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2 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Servers you right for claiming to be the free ones. May I quote

“In England, America, France, Germany the malicious nature of the governments is disguised so masterfully, that the people of these nations, pointing at Russia, are naively convinced that all the events taking place in Russia are unique to it, wherefore they are enjoying the ultimate freedom and their conditions don’t need improvement. That makes them the most hopeless sort of slaves - the slaves who don’t realize that they are slaves and are proud of their slavery”.

Leo Tolstoy, 1905

There is truth in that today and I am sure there was some then. I consider nearly every country in the world today, including Russia, to be fascist, statist, crony capitalist, plutocracy,  or other similar synonym. America is included and is the dim light still leading the way with the most freedoms due to a constitution that is still followed to a great extent. Russia has a great constitution on paper also. So do most nations. Living up to a constitution is the needed element. 

There are dictatorships that claim to be communist also. They are Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, etc. Communism has never lasted long because it doesn't work.

Capitalism does work but as Ayn Rand foresaw, the greed of the leaders seems to always corrupt them. 

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19 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Serves you right for claiming to be the free ones. May I quote

“In England, America, France, Germany the malicious nature of the governments is disguised so masterfully, that the people of these nations, pointing at Russia, are naively convinced that all the events taking place in Russia are unique to it, wherefore they are enjoying the ultimate freedom and their conditions don’t need improvement. That makes them the most hopeless sort of slaves - the slaves who don’t realize that they are slaves and are proud of their slavery”.

Leo Tolstoy, 1905

We are quite aware of our own corruption. I battle corrupt rednecks all the time. Lol Alas those Dems are not much better. I can tell your so empathetic to our slavery. My stance is to help the bear and never trade a dimes worth of goods with it again. Us slaves would have one less wolf sniffing our ass looking for food. 

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We could easily seal N America off from the world and be energy independent. Set nat gas at a $2.75 and oil at $65.00 and be done with it. Our billionaires don’t need any more help. 

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7 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Trump represented the last dying squeak of US interest in real economy in general?

Not quite that bad yet but "free" money and services are too attractive to stupid people. 

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8 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Not quite that bad yet but "free" money and services are too attractive to stupid people. 

Why stupid? I like free money too :)

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On 11/24/2021 at 4:56 AM, ronwagn said:

There is truth in that today and I am sure there was some then. I consider nearly every country in the world today, including Russia, to be fascist, statist, crony capitalist, plutocracy,  or other similar synonym. America is included and is the dim light still leading the way with the most freedoms due to a constitution that is still followed to a great extent. Russia has a great constitution on paper also. So do most nations. Living up to a constitution is the needed element. 

There are dictatorships that claim to be communist also. They are Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, etc. Communism has never lasted long because it doesn't work.

Capitalism does work but as Ayn Rand foresaw, the greed of the leaders seems to always corrupt them. 

You are more delusional than most, because you get the most and most expensive advertising for your own way of life. I lived in US for some 8 years myself. Haven't experienced a regime so oppressive with so few actual freedoms anywhere, including USSR where I grew up.

Alisa Zinovyevna (aka Ayn Rand) was a purveyor of neurotic chick fiction along the lines of "Gone with the Wind" There is not an ounce of anything of philosophic value in any of her works. Unlike your so-called libertarianism, does real anarchism not preclude having an economic program.

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On 11/23/2021 at 9:41 PM, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Serves you right for claiming to be the free ones. May I quote

“In England, America, France, Germany the malicious nature of the governments is disguised so masterfully, that the people of these nations, pointing at Russia, are naively convinced that all the events taking place in Russia are unique to it, wherefore they are enjoying the ultimate freedom and their conditions don’t need improvement. That makes them the most hopeless sort of slaves - the slaves who don’t realize that they are slaves and are proud of their slavery”.

Leo Tolstoy, 1905

At least back then, US people paid the least amount of tax compares to Europe (The first federal income tax in the US was introduced in Civil war). And people could vote in these countries compared to the Tsar in Russia (Although I prefer the White Army than the Red Army, as Communism/Socialism would only bring up the equality flag until they got into power).

In a democracy system, if a large portion voters were deceived and chose poorly, then the whole country deserved the outcomes instead of having no vote for the system but pay the ultimate price from the failed decisions of a few. By being tricked this time and pay the price, people will learn a lesson for next time.

After the Cold War, many US people could not catch up with the fast changing environment when lots of manual jobs are outsourced to developing countries,  or automations took over while many other invested their education in STEM and constantly learn to catch up with fast changing technology. If a youngster over enjoy his youth and waste time not preparing for future career, naturally he will lack behind those who face constant headache and challenge to learn STEM/trading skills. 

Secondly the gap between wealth from older generation who were lucky enough to have booming economics time, less complicated labor jobs and high pay, lots of accumulate wealth but pay less income tax in retirement with the youngsters who pay more tax yearly and in student loan debt (many of the student debts are for art and entertainment degrees rather than STEM degrees), lower wages, higher insurance premium... which make wealth accumulation harder. 

These are the two main factors that currently divide the US. 

I don't like the entitlement of people who was jealous with older generation. It is no body's fault to be born in a good time and enjoy or to be born in a bad time and endure, like the Lost Generation and the Greatest Generation.

I also don't like the attitude of people who have an entertaining non practical college degrees to justify they are educated and complain for inequality with people who constantly get headache with STEM and keep up with tech. 

I also don't like the people who complains skilled migrants took their jobs. At the end of the day, they were born in a top country, speak English as a native language, have early access to top technology so they have way for head start comparing to most of skilled migrants for the skilled jobs competition. 

They always have a choice, and no one is responsible for their choice but themselves. 

People should do your best to create their own wealth, if they are able to work,  no matter of their situation and not expecting from government taking from someone else and assign them to them. If they expect getting more from the country than what they contributed, they have an entitlement problem, regardless of skin colors.

Lots of innovation came from the US, and 80% of billionaires in US are self made is a strong evidence US people enjoy a high level of freedom. No country can archive these statistics in a slavery/entitlement society. However the  political will in ESG/Green New Deal with heavy subsidies and tax credit  is a recipe for mal investments.  If innovation can come from political determination, leading innovations would have come from China, not the US. 

US people are lucky enough to be born free and they can have a choice to stay free by learning hard and working hard or giving up their freedom, stay relaxed, own nothing and be happy (In many country, that choice is simply a luxury dream).  I may relax and give up my freedom someday, who knows, but I know  that I  would be  thankful and not feel jealous or entitled to anything. 

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On 11/25/2021 at 7:59 AM, Andrei Moutchkine said:

You are more delusional than most, because you get the most and most expensive advertising for your own way of life. I lived in US for some 8 years myself. Haven't experienced a regime so oppressive with so few actual freedoms anywhere, including USSR where I grew up.

Alisa Zinovyevna (aka Ayn Rand) was a purveyor of neurotic chick fiction along the lines of "Gone with the Wind" There is not an ounce of anything of philosophic value in any of her works. Unlike your so-called libertarianism, does real anarchism not preclude having an economic program.

Ayn Rand was a great writer and her works are still popular. Her books led to the formation of a complete philosophy called Objectivism. It has many good points to it. Ayn was an atheist and anticommunist. She saw first hand, the evils of socialism, communism, statism, crony capitalism, etc. Anyone who reads Atlas Shrugged can see how prophetic she was. America is suffering from the future she envisioned. There are some things that are better and some things that are much worse. 

I am a Christian but Ayn was an atheist with a large following of fine thinkers. Her first book "The Fountainhead" was very good and starred Gary Cooper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand

Atlas Shrugged was made into a series of low budget movies that were somewhat successful about ten years ago. 

She has written many non fiction and fiction works since age 8.

 

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15 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Ayn Rand was a great writer and her works are still popular. Her books led to the formation of a complete philosophy called Objectivism. It has many good points to it. Ayn was an atheist and anticommunist. She saw first hand, the evils of socialism, communism, statism, crony capitalism, etc. Anyone who reads Atlas Shrugged can see how prophetic she was. America is suffering from the future she envisioned. There are some things that are better and some things that are much worse. 

I am a Christian but Ayn was an atheist with a large following of fine thinkers. Her first book "The Fountainhead" was very good and starred Gary Cooper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand

Atlas Shrugged was made into a series of low budget movies that were somewhat successful about ten years ago. 

She has written many non fiction and fiction works since age 8.

 

I read "the Fountainhead." Or tried to... The one about the bad architect with a chip on his shoulder? Try  "Gone with the Wind" instead if you are into chick fiction.

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On 11/24/2021 at 4:56 AM, ronwagn said:

There is truth in that today and I am sure there was some then. I consider nearly every country in the world today, including Russia, to be fascist, statist, crony capitalist, plutocracy,  or other similar synonym. America is included and is the dim light still leading the way with the most freedoms due to a constitution that is still followed to a great extent. Russia has a great constitution on paper also. So do most nations. Living up to a constitution is the needed element. 

There are dictatorships that claim to be communist also. They are Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea, etc. Communism has never lasted long because it doesn't work.

Capitalism does work but as Ayn Rand foresaw, the greed of the leaders seems to always corrupt them. 

This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ranFhYpq6UE&list=LL

is only "freedom" in the language of Newspeak. Which you still call English for some reason.

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Are we already economically doomed? I look at:

 

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

 

and it looks rather hopeless.

Fed Revenues (per year) = 4 trillion

Medicare/Medicaid = 1.25 trillion
SSI - 1 trillion
Military = 0.75 trillion
Interest on debt = .0420 trillion

Top 4 major expenses = 3.042 trillion when inflation < 1% this last year. What happens when interest payments go to 1.5 to 2 trillion due to inflation? It will just snowball. I don't see Venezuela happening here any later than 2030.

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14 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ranFhYpq6UE&list=LL

is only "freedom" in the language of Newspeak. Which you still call English for some reason.

 

14 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ranFhYpq6UE&list=LL

is only "freedom" in the language of Newspeak. Which you still call English for some reason.

Anyone with any sense does not believe the mainstream media. You are correct that about 90% of it is scripted dialogue that is spoken by talking heads. The truth is still spoken in America however and we will all see a lot of it after the next election. Not enough, but better. The crony capitalists control America and sell out to any politicians that will play ball with them. Nancy Pelosi is a perfect example. 

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14 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

I read "the Fountainhead." Or tried to... The one about the bad architect with a chip on his shoulder? Try  "Gone with the Wind" instead if you are into chick fiction.

Read the article about all of her works, then read some. 

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