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13 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Why should I? Putin still grieves for it. He wants to create his own empire from parts of it. 

I still grieve for it, too. Anything else is conjuncture. You cannot make ground beef whole again. Putin said as much many times. My personal opinion is that others will eventually joiin Russia on their own. Voluntarily, as it makes every economic sense.

You can easily find polls showing that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostalgia_for_the_Soviet_Union

is the prevalent attitude among its ex-citizens anywhere in ex-USSR with exception of the Baltics. That includes parts which are currently at war with each other or Russia.

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2 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Nothing could be further from the truth. What makes you so sure, anyway? Been watching CNN? What gives you the right to constantly talk shit about my Motherland? There is nothing but lies transmitted by your media. 100% lies, 100% of the time. Anybody intelligent enough should know better than regurgitate any of that crap.

I see US as the fascist state that is endangering the rest of humanity by its constant meddling in other countries affairs.

America is in danger of becoming a fascist state like Russia. The Constitution is in danger of being ignored if Marxists take control of our country. It could happen if the people let it happen. Yes, we meddle in other countries affairs, just as Russia and China do, and Europeans do. 

You are entitled to all your opinions, and I am entitled to all of mine. That is the way it is in America, but all of that is being eroded continuously, and is in danger. You enjoy speaking your mind, and I enjoy speaking mine. That is not permitted in many countries, is that not true? 

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1 hour ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

I have great interest in truth, justice and freedom. I have negative interest in what you understand as democracy, as I happen to be an anarchist. A real one, not one of your "libertarian" phoneys who use Alisa Zinovyevna Rand's works for spiritual guidance. Your democracy is a fraud. If I had any power at all, I would understand a proposition to share it with those I considered stupider than myself to be principally dishonest. It is the same way in US. You've got no power whatsoever, you only are brainwashed into believing that you do.

In the history of Romania, great many got tortured for something or rather. That does not make them remotely interesting. I'll show you somebody else on the region. When the late Romanian dictator Causcescu was executed without a trial, he managed to squeeze out the following last words

'Long Live the Socialist Republic of Romania, independent and free!'

Can't obviously even execute a man properly with Kalashnikovs on full auto. This now forever remains a dark spot on reputation of the EU till a proper trial. See how a great (not the same as good or moral) man can get you from even beyond the grave? There would have to be a proper trial about this now, no matter what.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceaușescu Let readers decide for themselves about this man. 

After being tried and convicted of economic sabotage and genocide,[5] both were sentenced to death, and they were immediately executed by firing squad on 25 December.[6]

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1 hour ago, ronwagn said:

America is in danger of becoming a fascist state like Russia. The Constitution is in danger of being ignored if Marxists take control of our country. It could happen if the people let it happen. Yes, we meddle in other countries affairs, just as Russia and China do, and Europeans do. 

You are entitled to all your opinions, and I am entitled to all of mine. That is the way it is in America, but all of that is being eroded continuously, and is in danger. You enjoy speaking your mind, and I enjoy speaking mine. That is not permitted in many countries, is that not true? 

There is nothing interesting left in your precious Constitution. The geezers of Supreme Court have been devinating on some vague "Founding Father's intent" since forever.  Actually, for all the claims, I haven't really seen Russia meddling in other countries affairs. Like you said yourself, we are too poor a country to afford your exorbitant fees for "lobbyism" (aka "bribes" elsewhere)

You are really ought to not be entitled to opinions that are entirely ill-informed and bigoted. Why don't you go and say shit about say, somebody black. Chicken? I distinctly remember you berating myself for being insufficiently respectful of Mexicans. Yet, you somehow see it fit to be grossly offensive to Russians? Where is the logic in that? Or are you only capable of being polite withing the scope of American libel laws? You call my Motherland fascist, I call you fascist. Bigoted and proud of it.

And no, speaking your mind is not actually permitted in USA. Like I said, I dare you say something as offensive about any minority of woke significance. Grossly offending Russians or Chinese, is legal of course, but that's the thing - you are just going on to demonstrate how unjust the fascist USA is. All of your laws are applied selectively and in ad hoc fashion (mostly, according to your wallet size) Therefore, you've got no laws of all. Your system is entirely lawless, get it? What could be shittier that this?

In Russia though, you can still say whatever you want. Be as bigoted as you want. You'd love it there, being the bigot that you are.

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2 hours ago, ronwagn said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceaușescu Let readers decide for themselves about this man. 

After being tried and convicted of economic sabotage and genocide,[5] both were sentenced to death, and they were immediately executed by firing squad on 25 December.[6]

See, this is a lie. Ought to be obvious that such serious crimes are not tried in just a single day. They simply shot the guy and his wife, the rest is invention covering their asses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_execution_of_Nicolae_and_Elena_Ceaușescu

This suggests that somebody else had a problem with him testifying. Hardly helped them, since you've got all the records of the Romanian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securitate

and now have the Romanian leadership by the balls. Because guess what, the same people are running the place now that did during Communism. Same as everywhere. Compare that to East German Stasi. Their records, you haven't got.

 

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1 hour ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

I still grieve for it, too. Anything else is conjuncture. You cannot make ground beef whole again. Putin said as much many times. My personal opinion is that others will eventually joiin Russia on their own. Voluntarily, as it makes every economic sense.

You can easily find polls showing that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostalgia_for_the_Soviet_Union

is the prevalent attitude among its ex-citizens anywhere in ex-USSR with exception of the Baltics. That includes parts which are currently at war with each other or Russia.

Personally, out of my own conviction, when I see the level of insanity in the Polish net  Russophobia in exhilaration, reaching even attitudes such as "Banderites are cool because they are against Russia", I feel contempt and hatred for some of my own countrymen.

And I feel bad being in one nation with idiots.

Every single day I am especially blown away by the fact that many people do not seem to understand what country they live in and what propaganda they live in.

Is it really so difficult to realize that we have a dominance of narrative, propaganda and anti-Russian ideology in Poland and in theWest?

I am talking about the anti-Russian ideology, because it is not only about direct anti-Russianness, but also about idealizing and attributing similarities to Poles to groups in conflict with Russia. In a way, it is a system of values where the determinant of good and bad is how one feels about Russia.

What sense does it make for people who are too stupid to speak about other countries and are unable find out what propaganda is dominant in their own country and to take a correction for it, and not mindlessly succumb to it?

They do not understand their own country, and are the strangers supposed to understand Russia/China/USA?

Of course, Russia is a oligarchic countrywill lower living standards than in developed countries  also with many pathologies, etc. etc.

It's just that real Russia with its real pathologies is something different than the image of Russia in Polish or Western anti-Russian propaganda.

Many users of polish  forum who often and densely express their very authoritarian opinions about Russia, Ukraine or Belarus, who, unlike me, have never been there, and who write, for example than people from  Ukraine, even those from ultranationalistic Galicia are mentally closer to Poles than to Russians are plainly stupid.

Just like the heroic Georgians, Chechens, or whom us Poles were supporting with our anti-Russian attitude.

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If we keep being caught up in the silly dichotomy of “the collapse of the USSR was a horrible catastrophe” and “the collapse of the USSR was the happiest event ever”, we will never begin to learn what possibly was the most important historical lesson in recent generations.

Of course Soviet Union is alive and kicking in East European politics, where Brezhnevian authoritarianism is being recreated under the banners of nationalism and conservatism in many post soviet countries.

It is also yet to collapse in the heads of Cold War dinosaurs in the US who brag about Red Army and KGB.

Russian threat is solely the only reason to not disband NATO and why US puppet countries in Europe spend so much money on weapons

The collapse of the USSR was, above all, a tragedy for the ordinary blind eater.

And soon I will explain to you why - as soon as the Eastern Bloc began to weaken and the fear of the rival disappeared, there was a triumphant neoliberalism come to dominance that was a contradiction of 20th century liberalism.

Classic XX Century liberalism is concept of Welfare State  first found in Great Britain but not neoliberalism. Its actually not a liberalism at all.

And from that moment on, an ordinary eater of bread got the ass all over the world, though to a different degree

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15 hours ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

Says the cheerleader of the CCP cult, guess it takes one to know one

This is absolute and complete garbage. You're like those YouTube videos of Han Chinese freaking out, screaming at the camera about how nobody eats dog in China while in the background there's a restaurant that serves dog. Don't believe your lying eye's believe me. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/12/chinese-uyghur-policy-causes-unprecedented-fall-in-xinjiang-birthrates

https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_voa-news-china_chinese-statistics-reveal-plummeting-births-xinjiang-during/6203821.html

Keep up the nazi propaganda Herr Goebbels

 

Genocide is a serious charge, must have factual support, and will never go unchallenged.

I know I will never persuade bigots like you to consider facts.  But for the record, across the world one fact is salient: when incomes and living standards rise, birth rates decrease.

If you wish to dispute the reasons for declining birth rates, then at least use those institutions that have an iota of repute, not the shit sources you use constantly.  If you wish to relate your own research, then disclose who and what you are, your methodology, your peer review, and show proof you have conducted research on the ground in China.

IF you cannot, you are nothing more than an ignorant, bigoted, racist Amurcun.

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4 hours ago, ronwagn said:

Al I have pointed out China is the greatest Imperialist of all time and Russia is up there with the attempt at a Soviet Union which didn't last long at all in historical terms because communism does not work in the real world. Putin managed to become a successful fascist leader. He is the same as the head of crony capitalists. 

China has not placed armed troops in any other country, nor invaded any. How many has the USA invaded, how many million murdered? Yet you say China is the greater imperialist?

Only a deranged person believes his own make-belief reality. Bro, you need help.

 

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16 hours ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

Says the cheerleader of the CCP cult, guess it takes one to know one

This is absolute and complete garbage. You're like those YouTube videos of Han Chinese freaking out, screaming at the camera about how nobody eats dog in China while in the background there's a restaurant that serves dog. Don't believe your lying eye's believe me. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/12/chinese-uyghur-policy-causes-unprecedented-fall-in-xinjiang-birthrates

https://www.voanews.com/a/east-asia-pacific_voa-news-china_chinese-statistics-reveal-plummeting-births-xinjiang-during/6203821.html

Keep up the nazi propaganda Herr Goebbels

 

Spouting lies only makes you a deranged person.

China serves dog?  I can guarantee you a fact: nowhere in mainland China is dog served; not in residences, not in restaurants. 

Here is the problem; how to prove a negative?   I have never seen dogs sold for food.

A positive can be proved.  So, if and when you visit mainland China, and you find dog on the menu, please do provide proof. I can assure you the authorities will stop the sale of dog immediately, and bring the sellers to account.

Where you will find dog on menus is South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Vietnam, Indonesia. All of which are supported by Americans. So you support the consumption of dogs?

Peace Bro. The message is good: peace on Earth, goodwill to men.  But I suppose these days in America, men must be replaced with something else?

Proof, Bro. Please provide proof.

 

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4 hours ago, ronwagn said:

You make me smile Andrei. Wait and see what happens. I hope that we arm Ukraine and the other border states to the teeth so Putin realizes his dreams are dead. I hope he does not spend good Russian blood on such attempts. The real Ukrainians knows what you are. 

Only the most vile of cowards write what you do. Who will do your fighting? You? LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO.  Everything is fine when others must die for your words. Only the most evil and vile will advocate for the death of sons unbeknownst. But, let's see YOU on the front lines. When may we see you in Ukraine at the Donbass border? 

Andrei is correct to warn you of the dire situation your rambo, demented, dementia POTUS's have placed you in.  You can huff and puff until you are blue in the face, but the next move you make may be your last.  Your deranged leadership may believe they can survive the next thousand years in their mountain bunkers, but does this include you and your kin?

I have no idea what moral persuasion you may be, apparently zero, but please consider the message the West has preached for ages: Peace unto Earth, Goodwill unto Men.

 

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2 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Genocide is a serious charge, must have factual support, and will never go unchallenged.

I know I will never persuade bigots like you to consider facts.  But for the record, across the world one fact is salient: when incomes and living standards rise, birth rates decrease.

If you wish to dispute the reasons for declining birth rates, then at least use those institutions that have an iota of repute, not the shit sources you use constantly.  If you wish to relate your own research, then disclose who and what you are, your methodology, your peer review, and show proof you have conducted research on the ground in China.

IF you cannot, you are nothing more than an ignorant, bigoted, racist Amurcun.

Does 20-30 million dead since WWII qualify?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051?print=1

Only the Nazis themselves killed more.

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This year you can clearly see something that is professionally called the so-called Kindlerberger trap.

This is the most important geopolitical event. The hegemon to date is at risk of suffering from chronic, severe disease.

It is time for real inflation in the US. What you have been waiting for a long time, what was about to happen, has finally happened. Until 2021, the US was able to prevent rapid inflation with financial instruments, which resulted in the export of inflation to other countries. But this year they had to print too many bits and pieces, and as a result inflation has gone out of control;

- Increase in energy prices against the backdrop of resource depletion. The second logical consequence of inflation was the increase in energy prices, but this is not the only reason - more importantly, the natural wealth is shrinking and becoming more difficult to access.

Of course, if it were not for the inflation, the increase in prices would not be so significant, because in a healthy economy, thanks to printing money, new projects are created, factories are built, that is, money goes into the production of goods. In a sick economy, there is no longer any commodity behind printed money, only inflation is rising.

What we are observing at the moment.

- Increase in production in Russia. And this is thanks to the most important factor - Russia is absolutely not affected by the problem of depletion of natural resources in the world. so far it only benefits from being self-sufficient in energy resources.

- Increase in production in China. The Chinese economy has long overtaken the United States in terms of size. Since I did not study economics at Western universities, but clasic economy, I measure the size of the economy by real goods produced, which is much more correct than measuring output only in dollars.

Because in China, building a 5 km bridge costs in dollars less than building a pedestrian cage over a river in the US, 500 meters long.

So China has finally overtaken the US. And every year passing by the size of the Chinese economy grows by the size of the economy of, say, Poland.

And the detachment from the US continues to grow. So time is working in favor of Russia and China not USA.

Meanwhile, Russia, which after the end of the Cold War was treated as the German Reich in the Versailles Treaty, probably a bit on the basis of the upcoming comodity boom and the problems of the USA, felt blood and strikes back.

I think that in the Russia-China tandem, Russia is testing the US strength / weakness more directly, and the Chinese chew on the US less spectacularly but even far more effectively in real terms.

The Americans are probably aware that USA is clearly weakening, but they also know that they cannot show it until the situation becomes dramatic because it is a bit like a boxer in the ring damaged by a harsh  blow

The United States has been weakening for a long time at least since 2000  especially against the background of China, but in the passing year it has become very clearly visible that the United States is losing its position and will soon begin to leave areas that it will not be able to control further - this its called Kindlerberger trap.

Of course, not everyone sees it, but it is a long process that has already been started and probably nothing can reverse it now.

Poland should be fighting for its future security in region just right now and do not completely relying on the weakening United States.

 

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I propose an alternative scenario

The Russians are firmly entering Ukraine and the Baltic states - that is, they are recreating the western borders of the USSR. We are counting down the antirussian western oblasts of Ukraine

At the same time, the Chinese are entering Taiwan without any subtleties of hybrid wars, only directly militarily

Well, Iran is the third partner to invade and it has a choice between Israel (a more difficult target because of a nuclear weapon  and strong army) or fed up sheikhs from Saudi Arabia

Russia / China has hypersonic weapons, so the atomic boms is probably not very applicable because America will evaporate from the map in pair wwith them 

3 simultaneous strikes in 3 very different parts of the world and the king is finally naked.

And it seems that such an alliance the Americans will probably call it an alliance of three terrorist countries or somehow containing China Russia and Iran is slowly being formed.

Pakistan another China's ally, i.e. is also a nuclear power possibly guarding India from the west.

 

Apart from that Russia has just 25 % of NG world reserves Iran about  17%. Russia has lower amount of oil reserves relatively comparing with current oil production  but dont forget about cash-strapped Venezuela and Iran.

 

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I finally found where China is real agressor. Its  actually too agressive against CANCER.

Chinese goverment CURES people from cancer but TOO MUCH people and TOO FAST

Just look on bloomberg material. Western countries are not as agressive against its population.

Brillant story I must say. Or propaganda. Nevertheles.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-12-10/cancer-treatment-china-mulls-looser-experimental-therapy-rules

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13 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Genocide is a serious charge, must have factual support, and will never go unchallenged.

I know I will never persuade bigots like you to consider facts.  But for the record, across the world one fact is salient: when incomes and living standards rise, birth rates decrease.

If you wish to dispute the reasons for declining birth rates, then at least use those institutions that have an iota of repute, not the shit sources you use constantly.  If you wish to relate your own research, then disclose who and what you are, your methodology, your peer review, and show proof you have conducted research on the ground in China.

IF you cannot, you are nothing more than an ignorant, bigoted, racist Amurcun.

The facts are in your CCP's own statistics showing a decimation of birth rates, those are your own governments statistics, yet you claim others are ignorant. Weak tea franky.

I'm waiting on your CCP forced abortion vans you used to send out for your one child policy to be turned into forced conception vans to correct for the disastrous policy your CCP implemented in the past. 

One new catastrophe to make up for the last CCP catastrophe. 

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13 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Spouting lies only makes you a deranged person.

China serves dog?  I can guarantee you a fact: nowhere in mainland China is dog served; not in residences, not in restaurants. 

Here is the problem; how to prove a negative?   I have never seen dogs sold for food.

A positive can be proved.  So, if and when you visit mainland China, and you find dog on the menu, please do provide proof. I can assure you the authorities will stop the sale of dog immediately, and bring the sellers to account.

Where you will find dog on menus is South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Vietnam, Indonesia. All of which are supported by Americans. So you support the consumption of dogs?

Peace Bro. The message is good: peace on Earth, goodwill to men.  But I suppose these days in America, men must be replaced with something else?

Proof, Bro. Please provide proof.

 

And you just proved my point. What a surprise, a Han Chinese guy doing exactly what I said you would do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lychee_and_Dog_Meat_Festival

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/yulin-dog-meat-festival-explainer-what-is-it-when-start-banned-controversy-a8410426.html

https://blog.humanesociety.org/2021/06/chinese-advocates-lead-the-fight-against-yulin-dog-meat-trade.html

You're a walking cliche.

Here franky, take a look at what your head Wolf Warrior d. bag is really about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h-6l_nZ0p8

Hint hint, when he comes to the US he likes to stay at the YMCA, I think he's the biker, vroom, vroom.

PS. Enough with the BROS, I know in CCP chat room propaganda 101 you learned everyone in the US says BRO all the time, they taught you wrong brotatochip.

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15 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

There is nothing interesting left in your precious Constitution. The geezers of Supreme Court have been devinating on some vague "Founding Father's intent" since forever.  Actually, for all the claims, I haven't really seen Russia meddling in other countries affairs. Like you said yourself, we are too poor a country to afford your exorbitant fees for "lobbyism" (aka "bribes" elsewhere)

You are really ought to not be entitled to opinions that are entirely ill-informed and bigoted. Why don't you go and say shit about say, somebody black. Chicken? I distinctly remember you berating myself for being insufficiently respectful of Mexicans. Yet, you somehow see it fit to be grossly offensive to Russians? Where is the logic in that? Or are you only capable of being polite withing the scope of American libel laws? You call my Motherland fascist, I call you fascist. Bigoted and proud of it.

And no, speaking your mind is not actually permitted in USA. Like I said, I dare you say something as offensive about any minority of woke significance. Grossly offending Russians or Chinese, is legal of course, but that's the thing - you are just going on to demonstrate how unjust the fascist USA is. All of your laws are applied selectively and in ad hoc fashion (mostly, according to your wallet size) Therefore, you've got no laws of all. Your system is entirely lawless, get it? What could be shittier that this?

In Russia though, you can still say whatever you want. Be as bigoted as you want. You'd love it there, being the bigot that you are.

Andrei, I said I loved the Russian and Chinese people. My problem is with the dictatorial leadership and abuse of human rights that their GOVERNMENTS pursue. Many newsmen and others have been murdered. No freedom of speech. Religions are closely monitored. Nongovernmental organizations are now outlawed. 

In America we allow Russian news and Chinese news direct from their state controlled organizations. 

Our judicial system is overly lenient but the wealthy are also treated overly well because they have pull and great lawyers. That is, I agree, a problem. But it exists worldwide. China has cracked down on the billionaires because they don't want anyone powerful except for the CCP.  Putin just has opposition leaders thrown in jail. There is no real political opposition allowed to Putin. 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/russia-extends-prison-sentence-gulag-200933112.html

Russia extends prison sentence for Gulag historian who researched Stalin's purges to 15 years

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John Haltiwanger
Mon, December 27, 2021, 2:09 PM·4 min read
 
 
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Russia extends prison sentence for Gulag historian who researched Stalin's purges to 15 years
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Russian President Vladimir Putin next to a flag with the images of Joseph Stalin and Vladimir Lenin.
 
Russian President Vladimir Putin looks at a flag with portraits of Soviet leaders Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin while visiting Ivanovo, Russia, on March 6, 2020.Mikhail Svetlov/Getty Images
  • A Russian Gulag historian had his prison sentence extended to 15 years.

  • The historian, Yuri Dmitriev, has uncovered mass graves from Stalin's purges.

  • Critics say the charges against Dmitriev are politically motivated due to his work.

A Russian court extended the prison sentence of a prominent historian and activist, Yuri Dmitriev, as part of a sex abuse case that critics have condemned as politically motivated, Reuters reported on Monday.

Dmitriev had two more years added to his 13-year sentence, and is now set to spend 15 years behind bars. Last July, Dmitriev was found guilty of sexually abusing his adopted daughter. He's vehemently denied the allegations against him.

Dmitriev was first arrested in late 2016 on child pornography charges but was acquitted in 2018. But a second criminal case was opened against him several months later and he was eventually sentenced to three and a half years in prison. His sentence was abruptly extended to 13 years last year, not long before Dmitriev was set to be released.

 

Supporters and critics say the charges against Dmitriev are fabricated and punishment for uncovering mass graves from the Stalin-era containing the bodies of people held in Soviet prison camps known as Gulags. During the Great Purge (1936-38), also known as the "Great Terror," Joseph Stalin engaged in a brutal campaign to neutralize anyone perceived as disloyal or a threat to his rule. It's estimated at least 750,000 were killed during this period.

When Dmitriev's sentence was extended last year, a spokesperson for the US embassy in Moscow decried the move as "another step backwards for human rights and historical truths in Russia."

Experts with the UN have also condemned Russia over the treatment of Dmitriev, who's been lauded by human rights groups for his work.

"In response to Mr. Dmitriev's relentless search for the truth, the Russian authorities have sought to silence him by attacking his personal integrity, and thus the legitimacy of his historical work," a group of UN human rights experts said in February. "By so doing, they are preventing millions of family members whose relatives were imprisoned or perished in the Gulags from finding answers on what happened to their loved ones."

Story continues
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

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Anna Politkovskaya 

https://qz.com/862764/heres-a-list-of-abuses-in-vladimir-putins-russia/

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26 minutes ago, ronwagn said:

Andrei, I said I loved the Russian and Chinese people. My problem is with the dictatorial leadership and abuse of human rights that their GOVERNMENTS pursue. Many newsmen and others have been murdered. No freedom of speech. Religions are closely monitored. Nongovernmental organizations are now outlawed. 

In America we allow Russian news and Chinese news direct from their state controlled organizations. 

Our judicial system is overly lenient but the wealthy are also treated overly well because they have pull and great lawyers. That is, I agree, a problem. But it exists worldwide. China has cracked down on the billionaires because they don't want anyone powerful except for the CCP.  Putin just has opposition leaders thrown in jail. There is no real political opposition allowed to Putin. 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/russia-extends-prison-sentence-gulag-200933112.html

Russia extends prison sentence for Gulag historian who researched Stalin's purges to 15 years

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  • Vladimir Putin
     
John Haltiwanger
Mon, December 27, 2021, 2:09 PM·4 min read
 
 
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Russia extends prison sentence for Gulag historian who researched Stalin's purges to 15 years
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Russian President Vladimir Putin next to a flag with the images of Joseph Stalin and Vladimir Lenin.
 
Russian President Vladimir Putin looks at a flag with portraits of Soviet leaders Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin while visiting Ivanovo, Russia, on March 6, 2020.Mikhail Svetlov/Getty Images
  • A Russian Gulag historian had his prison sentence extended to 15 years.

  • The historian, Yuri Dmitriev, has uncovered mass graves from Stalin's purges.

  • Critics say the charges against Dmitriev are politically motivated due to his work.

A Russian court extended the prison sentence of a prominent historian and activist, Yuri Dmitriev, as part of a sex abuse case that critics have condemned as politically motivated, Reuters reported on Monday.

Dmitriev had two more years added to his 13-year sentence, and is now set to spend 15 years behind bars. Last July, Dmitriev was found guilty of sexually abusing his adopted daughter. He's vehemently denied the allegations against him.

Dmitriev was first arrested in late 2016 on child pornography charges but was acquitted in 2018. But a second criminal case was opened against him several months later and he was eventually sentenced to three and a half years in prison. His sentence was abruptly extended to 13 years last year, not long before Dmitriev was set to be released.

 

Supporters and critics say the charges against Dmitriev are fabricated and punishment for uncovering mass graves from the Stalin-era containing the bodies of people held in Soviet prison camps known as Gulags. During the Great Purge (1936-38), also known as the "Great Terror," Joseph Stalin engaged in a brutal campaign to neutralize anyone perceived as disloyal or a threat to his rule. It's estimated at least 750,000 were killed during this period.

When Dmitriev's sentence was extended last year, a spokesperson for the US embassy in Moscow decried the move as "another step backwards for human rights and historical truths in Russia."

Experts with the UN have also condemned Russia over the treatment of Dmitriev, who's been lauded by human rights groups for his work.

"In response to Mr. Dmitriev's relentless search for the truth, the Russian authorities have sought to silence him by attacking his personal integrity, and thus the legitimacy of his historical work," a group of UN human rights experts said in February. "By so doing, they are preventing millions of family members whose relatives were imprisoned or perished in the Gulags from finding answers on what happened to their loved ones."

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia

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Anna Politkovskaya 

https://qz.com/862764/heres-a-list-of-abuses-in-vladimir-putins-russia/

The child pornography charges against this guy are quite real. If you are into this sort of thing, his work is available online. In general, the novelty factor in uncovering "victims of Gulag" is quite low. There are several official monuments to them. If you think that the Russian government is generally opposed to this sort of activity, you are sorely mistaken. They are arguably against it being productized by propaganda against modern-day Russia, which has nothing to do with it. He got his sentence bumped up, because the Russian government is growing progressively irritated by those who think that having good friends in the West makes you above the Russian law. (Which a lot of time it still does, unfortunately. The case has to be hush-hush in order for this to work)

A lot of journalists got whacked in the crazy 90-ties to early 2000s. This was still Eltsin's Russia, not really Putin's. The few of more recent cases they list are extremely contrived. The people who died are more like some provincial bloggers nobody heard about than famous journalists of yore like Politkovskaya. Whose murder has been investigated and guilty parties jailed. What else could the Russian government do? She was mostly writing crap about the Chechens, not Putin. Lo and behold, they did whack her, like they promised. Does it surprise you any? They have their gangsta reputations to protect. What does any of it have to with Putin?

Now tell me something about Julian Assange. Isn't it an example of journalist abuse extraordinaire?

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1 hour ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

And you just proved my point. What a surprise, a Han Chinese guy doing exactly what I said you would do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lychee_and_Dog_Meat_Festival

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/yulin-dog-meat-festival-explainer-what-is-it-when-start-banned-controversy-a8410426.html

https://blog.humanesociety.org/2021/06/chinese-advocates-lead-the-fight-against-yulin-dog-meat-trade.html

You're a walking cliche.

Here franky, take a look at what your head Wolf Warrior d. bag is really about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h-6l_nZ0p8

Hint hint, when he comes to the US he likes to stay at the YMCA, I think he's the biker, vroom, vroom.

PS. Enough with the BROS, I know in CCP chat room propaganda 101 you learned everyone in the US says BRO all the time, they taught you wrong brotatochip.

CNN needs you. You are one of the best at propaganda.

Facts;  The consumption of dog meat is illegal in China, so stated in your links, dubious as they are. I have never seen dog meat on any menu. The so-called festival is not: it was an attempt by a few individuals to cash-in on the tourists from HongKong. It is now underground.

Facts; Millions of people in the US are addicted to illegal drugs. I understand this is done underground.

So, in your eyes,... If China cannot control its underground, that makes the Chinese evil people.  If the USA cannot control its underground, that makes the Americans good people?

Bro, you need help to control your hysteria.

 

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13 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Does 20-30 million dead since WWII qualify?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-people-in-37-victim-nations-since-world-war-ii/5492051?print=1

Only the Nazis themselves killed more.

Stalin did quite the number of "disappearing" to his own citizens as well. 

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/world/major-soviet-paper-says-20-million-died-as-victims-of-stalin.html

But, that's just propaganda to you, right? 

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2 hours ago, Strangelovesurfing said:

The facts are in your CCP's own statistics showing a decimation of birth rates, those are your own governments statistics, yet you claim others are ignorant. Weak tea franky.

I'm waiting on your CCP forced abortion vans you used to send out for your one child policy to be turned into forced conception vans to correct for the disastrous policy your CCP implemented in the past. 

One new catastrophe to make up for the last CCP catastrophe. 

Excellent attempt at propaganda. Goebbels would be impressed.

With zero facts you assert a decline in birth rate is the result of forced abortions.

Yet, the Uiguyr population is increasing, incomes rising, standard of living rising, more children are clothed, fed, and schooled than ever before, more schools, more hospitals, more busses, free health care, every household is guaranteed a minimum cash income, more homes with heat in winter, more homes with clean running water, millions have been lifted out of poverty, and more.

Sorry, but your hysterical fantasy does not jive with the facts, not the slightest.

Hysterics at your advanced level are a danger, to yourself and the general population. 

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12 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

CNN needs you. You are one of the best at propaganda.

Facts;  The consumption of dog meat is illegal in China, so stated in your links, dubious as they are. I have never seen dog meat on any menu. The so-called festival is not: it was an attempt by a few individuals to cash-in on the tourists from HongKong. It is now underground.

Facts; Millions of people in the US are addicted to illegal drugs. I understand this is done underground.

So, in your eyes,... If China cannot control its underground, that makes the Chinese evil people.  If the USA cannot control its underground, that makes the Americans good people?

Bro, you need help to control your hysteria.

 

Western people don't eat pets, blackhead. 

Well, they do in Venezuela, but that's a different ball of wax. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5449023/amp/Venezuelans-eat-rats-dogs-economy-nosedives.html

Most of the drugs coming into Canada and China are via Mexico from China. Yep. You fucks are actively trying to soft war kill our younger generations. A hypersonic nuke isn't even good enough for your country to receive. It should be removed from the planet and sent into the fucking sun. 

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3 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

Stalin did quite the number of "disappearing" to his own citizens as well. 

https://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/world/major-soviet-paper-says-20-million-died-as-victims-of-stalin.html

But, that's just propaganda to you, right? 

Andrei is the one to reply to you.

But your attempt to obfuscate is feeble.  However you attempt to paint the picture, one fact is salient;  Stalin acted within the USSR ;  Americans murder innocents outside the USA. 

 

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2 minutes ago, QuarterCenturyVet said:

Western people don't eat pets, blackhead. 

Well, they do in Venezuela, but that's a different ball of wax. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5449023/amp/Venezuelans-eat-rats-dogs-economy-nosedives.html

Most of the drugs coming into Canada and China are via Mexico from China. Yep. You fucks are actively trying to soft war kill our younger generations. A hypersonic nuke isn't even good enough for your country to receive. It should be removed from the planet and sent into the fucking sun. 

gee, more hysteria. So you criticise China falsely for a genocide, yet you advocate a genocide by the USA against China?

Another false claim; most of the drugs originate in China. Bro, you need to get educated. Drug production centres are Colombia, Central America, Mexico, Myanmar, Afghanistan [though now with the Taliban, we should see a reduction in opium production].   Meth is but one of hundreds of drugs, and all of it is produced in Mexico and USA. The raw materials for meth are imported under the control of the Mexican and USA govts, and are used for many industrial products. China is not the sole producer of such raw materials, but China has implemented strict controls on the export. If you wish to lay blame, then look to your countrymen, for they are the source of your illicit drug problem.

fyi, In China, the penalty for illicit drug production, sale, possession is death, swiftly. Whereas in the USA, such criminals walk about freely.

The USA has many serious ills.  Blaming those ills on foreigners is simply an act of cowardice and hysteria.

 

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