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33 minutes ago, SUZNV said:

It is very funny to tell a Communism born citizen about what is a political movement, China and Vietnam have been using this concept for ages and US's media is nothing to match the level. And that is why we can understand the hidden lies from western mainstream and politicians easily. 

My father did join the anti Vietnam War movement when he was in West Germany in 1960s and 1970s so I do have some idea about the 60s fad over Vietnam in Western Europe.

I doubt you have ever live and work in the US. Most of what  you think you understand is from watching EU or US mainstream media and it gave you misconceptions about  how US people think. US people don't respect or feeling proud of their government, no matter FED or State government. Most people don't really trust  their mainstream media either and a large majority is independent voters. You can see in 2016 elections media said one thing and the people voted the other way. 

They never see their elected president is a leader like folks in Europe, especially Germany. They have never been proud of their President or Politicians. That's why US has never had a dictator or authoritarian regime in its history. Even Federal Gov is extremely weak in individual state affair. 

US president has to work with congress for policies and regulations , and many time the Congress are dominated by opposite Party, especially after mid term elections. This give US president much less power domestically  compares to Prime Minister/Chancellor where their allies take a major part in the Congress already. 

Even mainstream in the US rarely praise their presidents , mostly  criticize and the kindest is neutral.

No one lead the Let's go Brandon movement, but from the people themselves, started with the event of  a journalist tried to redirect what the crowd were chanting FJB to something else and the people ridicule that behavior. The woke/liberal/socialist movements, leaded by mainstream, were imported movements from Europe and not made in USA.

Yes, I do know many US people who are  arrogant and somewhat rude and straight, but they are  also very self-independent and very little to no entitlement of where they were born.  

It is hard to describe something to someone who has never experienced it. 

 

Iimho, you have missed the point, entirely.  The Go Brandon is a fad.  Your question is why we see not such in other countries.  answer: Other people in other countries choose not to waste their attentions on fads.  How you Americans choose to worship and criticise your handlers is up to you. But what change is effected by this? None. If you kept your attentions internal, we would have little to discuss. The problem is the majority of you support your incessant invasions and mass murders of innocents, and those of you who do not support give only lip service to protests. The very few people who do try to stand for morals are eliminated or neutered, like Kennedy, King, Muhammed Ali, others. A president is murdered, yet no open trial, etc. Nothing has changed since 1960, nothing will change, and the world continues to suffer from you all.

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1 hour ago, nsdp said:

Something that none of you seem to think about is the vulnerability of the electric grid and the consequences of losing power to the entire backbone of society. This is the same reason Epoch Times is a bunch of IDIOT scare mongers.  You don't need big rockets to eliminate the power of a country.  All you  need  is enough drones with smart munitions to wreck key substations beyond repair. Then the grid goes black.  After you fix everything(if you can) it still takes 4-6 weeks to restart and synchronize the  grid where it will function.   You will be without clean water (cholera), waste treatment (Antonine Plague any one),no power for refrigeration or food warehousing(typically only 2-3 weeks worth of food in transit or warehouse) , no heat in the winter, no power to operate machinery to make repair parts for 6-8months. The Russians forget that they survived moving their industry(a Herculean effort)  when the Germans invaded in 1941 because the power grid east of the Urals was intact and the Trans Siberian  Railroad was intact. The TSE loaded 1.5 million tons of food each year from PugetSound and  Portland shipped via the Sea of Japan to Vladivostok on Russian flagged US built built Liberty Ships  That meant that Russia did not have a Leningrad starvation nation wide. Logistics is everything  bullets beans and toilet paper don't leave home without it.

You can't defend  every substation with their critical  switchgear and transformers to keep things going.   Three rockets from a drone 200km away hit various parts of a substation and you will never fix. It  becomes an obstruction beyond which you cannot move power.  There is something called parallel path that turns obscure substations into critical nodes you cannot move power beyond because of small transformer or conductor size. . https://www.e-education.psu.edu/ebf483/node/671 Your power transmission is limited to the lowest rated conductor  in the line. China is the easiest. You hit all the  HVDC terminals and the entire grid will collapse. S Korea, Japan, Singapore, and India have enough SSK class submarines  to do a coordinated grid attack on China and leave it militarily helpless.   China is bluffing they know they cannot take the last step..   Putin has to go nuclear because he does not have the delivery systems or the munitions for grid strikes on either  NATO or the US.  If he did he would have 0 for infrastructure defense. S-400's and newer are designed to take on an aircraft not a 3 m smart weapon. ( Look up Harpoon or Exocet)  For Russia, a US, British, French, Italian, Spanish,  Portuguese, Dutch, Danish, Norwegian, Swedish, German or Polish  sub is a threat he cannot manage. 

This film presupposed a solar flare of the Carrington class or a gamma ray burst close by which would have the same impact  as a large scale nuclear  or tactical grid strike. https://www.amazon.com/Electronic-Armageddon-Artist-Not-Provided/dp/B004FN257O

Valid points. Are you implying the US grid is somehow impervious? A grid that is crumbling before your eyes?  True, the greater threat is that posed by submarines.  I think we all can agree the superpowers have sufficient arsenal to destroy the world 100x over, though 1x is surely sufficient. The question is, who is gonna push the big red button, when, why?  Given the USA is the ONLY madhouse to have deployed nuclear against a CIVILIAN target, the prospect of a US 1st strike is higher than for other countries. 

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1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

 

As for Flint.. Do you know nothing?... The water was 100% fine. 

The source water going into the treatment and distribution system was fine.  The actual "drinking water" coming out of the tap was 100% not fine.

 

 

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On 11/29/2021 at 6:45 PM, Starschy said:

 

 But  its true that US Ships to Australia must pass the Solomon Island.

 

That was the whole purpose of the WW2 Battle of Guadalcanal, which is in the Solomons. It was to capture the airfields the Japanese were building so that they (Japan) could isolate Australia. We sent in ill prepared troops knowing they would suffer huge casualties, but we were willing to sacrifice our troops because keeping Australia free was so important. Fortunately, Japan was still in their "contempt for America" phase and the gritty marines were able to win the day.

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35 minutes ago, frankfurter said:

 True, the greater threat is that posed by submarines.  I think we all can agree the superpowers have sufficient arsenal to destroy the world 100x over, though 1x is surely sufficient. The question is, who is gonna push the big red button, when, why?  Given the USA is the ONLY madhouse to have deployed nuclear against a CIVILIAN target, the prospect of a US 1st strike is higher than for other countries. 

As someone who lived in the 50's and 60's, the MAD policy has been a huge success. I feel safe enough that I no longer panic when the weekly tornado siren test sounds or a vacuum cleaner is turned on.

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16 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

You live in the commonwealth.  stop pretending to be a yank.

So do you. I've never pretended otherwise.

My French and native ancestors weren't involved in the opium trade/wars. 

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On 12/29/2021 at 4:14 PM, frankfurter said:

CNN needs you. You are one of the best at propaganda.

Facts;  The consumption of dog meat is illegal in China, so stated in your links, dubious as they are. I have never seen dog meat on any menu. The so-called festival is not: it was an attempt by a few individuals to cash-in on the tourists from HongKong. It is now underground.

Facts; Millions of people in the US are addicted to illegal drugs. I understand this is done underground.

So, in your eyes,... If China cannot control its underground, that makes the Chinese evil people.  If the USA cannot control its underground, that makes the Americans good people?

Bro, you need help to control your hysteria.

 

I never said or ever thought Chinese people are evil, no group of people are inherently evil or good. I just said you deny reality at the behest of your reality warping CCP overlords.

The eating of animals isn't my point. Personally I don't see what the difference is eating one animal over another. The human predilection of valuing soft cute fuzzy forms of life over ugly, slimy ones is one of our worst traits IMO.

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On 12/30/2021 at 8:12 PM, frankfurter said:

Other people in other countries choose not to waste their attentions on fads.  How you Americans choose to worship and criticise your handlers is up to you.

Americans don't have handlers, you do, quit projecting. Fads come and go in the US because the country has the luxury to entertain trends and fantasy's due to living on the most secure geography on Earth. When you aren't worried about someone attacking you, there's plenty of time to pick lint out of your belly button.

Your country has fads and trends also, you know, the great leap forward and cultural revolution.

On 12/30/2021 at 8:12 PM, frankfurter said:

The problem is the majority of you support your incessant invasions and mass murders of innocents, The very few people who do try to stand for morals are eliminated or neutered, like Kennedy, King, Muhammed Ali, others. A president is murdered, yet no open trial, etc

You have Mao Zedong, one of the greatest mass murderers of innocents in history on your money, you bow down to his image every day.

Muhammed Ali stood for his beliefs, was jailed for a time due to refusing to be drafted into the military. After being released from prison he continued on to become one of the most revered figures in American culture and died a legendary champion who stood up for himself.

He would have been executed in your country for his beliefs. Using his name in your propaganda is abysmal even for you.

Kennedy was assassinated, his assassin was murdered shortly thereafter. How do you have a trial for a dead man? 

There are two types of trials in America, one is in a court room. The other is the long process of releasing movies and books after the fact and society eventually makes its own historical judgement. You don't understand this because it doesn't exist in your country. You swallow what the CCP feeds you and that's the end of it.

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12 hours ago, SUZNV said:

It is very funny to tell a Communism born citizen about what is a political movement, China and Vietnam have been using this concept for ages and US's media is nothing to match the level. And that is why we can understand the hidden lies from western mainstream and politicians easily. 

My father did join the anti Vietnam War movement when he was in West Germany in 1960s and 1970s so I do have some idea about the 60s fad over Vietnam in Western Europe.

I doubt you have ever live and work in the US. Most of what  you think you understand is from watching EU or US mainstream media and it gave you misconceptions about  how US people think. US people don't respect or feeling proud of their government, no matter FED or State government. Most people don't really trust  their mainstream media either and a large majority is independent voters. You can see in 2016 elections media said one thing and the people voted the other way. 

They never see their elected president is a leader like folks in Europe, especially Germany. They have never been proud of their President or Politicians. That's why US has never had a dictator or authoritarian regime in its history. Even Federal Gov is extremely weak in individual state affair. 

US president has to work with congress for policies and regulations , and many time the Congress are dominated by opposite Party, especially after mid term elections. This give US president much less power domestically  compares to Prime Minister/Chancellor where their allies take a major part in the Congress already. 

Even mainstream in the US rarely praise their presidents , mostly  criticize and the kindest is neutral.

No one lead the Let's go Brandon movement, but from the people themselves, started with the event of  a journalist tried to redirect what the crowd were chanting FJB to something else and the people ridicule that behavior. The woke/liberal/socialist movements, leaded by mainstream, were imported movements from Europe and not made in USA.

Yes, I do know many US people who are  arrogant and somewhat rude and straight, but they are  also very self-independent and very little to no entitlement of where they were born.  

It is hard to describe something to someone who has never experienced it. 

 

Free will maybe is what you describing, a humans right to choose his or her's own path. At the same time free will can be a very subjective topic, I am quite sure citizens of this world all experience free will and gaurd it zealously....maybe the right to prosper and survive..defined as free will.

One's Right To Choose, once taken for granted. That has been changed.

 

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Iimho, you have missed the point, entirely.  The Go Brandon is a fad.  Your question is why we see not such in other countries.  answer: Other people in other countries choose not to waste their attentions on fads.  How you Americans choose to worship and criticise your handlers is up to you. But what change is effected by this? None. If you kept your attentions internal, we would have little to discuss. The problem is the majority of you support your incessant invasions and mass murders of innocents, and those of you who do not support give only lip service to protests. The very few people who do try to stand for morals are eliminated or neutered, like Kennedy, King, Muhammed Ali, others. A president is murdered, yet no open trial, etc. Nothing has changed since 1960, nothing will change, and the world continues to suffer from you all.

Please don't use your view that can represent the World. I am not US born and have seen these non sense excuses for blaming the US from Vietnam, NZ or from my father about West Germany view. Your view only reflect my view of the world when I was 17. 

-Assuming US completely withdraw to pre WW2 state, do you think there would not be a WW3 in Europe when Europe is in another recession? Remember the reason for WW1? Then the humiliations Germain people felt after that leaded to the raise of Hitler. To be perfectly honest about my opinion, EU is just another lebensraum attempt for both Germany and France as every country in the block gave up their own currencies which leads to the paralyzed fiscal policies because they couldn't have their own currency to adjust while their competitors do.

-Did US force any other country to choose the Breton Wood system? Western Europe back than needed US's protection, capital and the intact manufacturing industry to rebuild the Western Europe to compete to the Eastern Block. The need to borrow US capital lead to the current failed global financial system we all have a part of. 

-If you are angry about US hegemony, then you  are angry  about Wall Street and Global Corporations, then guess what, majority of them are not owned by US people. USD hegemony do have consequence to the US normal people asset ownership themselves. And you can guess who own the foreign part of the US assets? Other countries' governments or institutions and many if not most of them came from the EU rich aristocracy class (banking, institutions and politicians). These made US Jeff, Mark, Bill Gate, Warren Buffet, Soros, Elon etc. which are rich from the stock they owned, started from scratch. They will choose where to invest to maximize their profit with minimum tax. 

-Do you really think a middle class in EU, China, Japan, US...who are worry about renting, mortgage and dependent on Government for retirement can have lots of investment and own oversea assets ? It is not any US people's fault for rich people around the world choose US assets over Europe, Japan, China... 

They have to pay more for mortgages, less easy jobs, higher debts, more expensive healthcare, educations and fierce competition form top talents move to the US because of the high paying which in turns make more common US middle class lack behind and depend on governments for retirement. US people are working harder and easier to get laid off than any other developed countries.

They are the one who will pay off the US government debt.

This is a 5 years old data, expect much more since the world went into chaos because of Covid19.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-much-of-america-do-foreigners-really-own-2016-09-27

These are the reasons keep USD demand strong, along side with the Eurodollar bubble which has nothing to do with US people or government or FED but your own politicians and financial institutions. We are no longer in the pre WW1 era where  each citizen own their own countries' asset. 

Do you ever wonder why no EU-US media/politicians/financial experts...  point this elephant of the room out and I have to do the hard labor? They need the US and her people to bear the hate so they can continue to benefit or get votes from their failed systems.

Yet many EU middle class choose the style of own nothing and be happy, pay high tax ( as a consequence of competing with socialist welfare system in Eastern Block during the cold war, along with the corrupted politician use welfare to buy votes)  and laugh of the expensive healthcare system or student loan in the US. Welfare in turns will turn sour in tough economics time and aging population.

And if you are a voter, you are partly responsible for your own choice of public servants, as US people are responsible for theirs. In a democracy country, we are both are a part of the trouble and are the victim of our choices. 

If you are confident about your conclusion, like mine at least point out where I get it wrong, not the childish empty blaming or insult each other's knowledge or throwing a bunch of media propagandas to waste each other time to win face. Respect is something you need to earn, not given.  My dad always praises Germans love to argue through logics, don't they? 

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13 hours ago, SUZNV said:

Even mainstream in the US rarely praise their presidents , mostly  criticize and the kindest is neutral.

The only presidents Americans like are ex-presidents.

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15 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

The source water going into the treatment and distribution system was fine.  The actual "drinking water" coming out of the tap was 100% not fine.

 

 

Yo ding dong, you only get lead leaching out of old pipes if you have slightly acidic water.  Change the PH of the water and no lead leaching occurs and why ALL old water systems are able to still be operational for hundred +++ years. 

The water source for Flint was changed BACK to the OLD source of water with a higher PH and there is no lead problem anymore. 

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15 hours ago, Michael Sanches said:

As someone who lived in the 50's and 60's, the MAD policy has been a huge success. I feel safe enough that I no longer panic when the weekly tornado siren test sounds or a vacuum cleaner is turned on.

We should never promise no first strike. We may need to use them, but I pray not!

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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/dec/31/china-blasts-walmart-and-sams-club-over-stupidity-/ China is trying to determine what the free world can do, buy, read, or whatever it wants. We must mock their attitude and their wishes if they are as crazy as they have been. The CCP does not represent most of the Chinese people and its territorial areas. 

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50 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Yo ding dong, you only get lead leaching out of old pipes if you have slightly acidic water.  Change the PH of the water and no lead leaching occurs and why ALL old water systems are able to still be operational for hundred +++ years. 

The water source for Flint was changed BACK to the OLD source of water with a higher PH and there is no lead problem anymore. 

Fact remains the water coming out of the tap was not fine.  Warp that fact in your mind all you want.

Perhaps, just perhaps they should have tested the water at a few end-user points?  What a concept!! 

I worked in a old building and they took away our water filters saying the tap water was fine without.  To show the water was fine they tested it for a bunch of stuff and it backfired, the lead levels were 12ppb (limit 10ppb).

We got our water filters back (we tested the filtered water, it was <1ppb Pb).

Look up all the criminal charges and civil payouts for their mishandling of the water system.  Why are you defending the poisoning of children?  Many people didn't do their jobs properly:

a) they should have known

b) they should have tested

c) they shouldn't have waited so long after a bunch of complaints rolled in.

d) they tried to cover stuff up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis#Criminal_prosecutions

 

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2 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

Fact remains the water coming out of the tap was not fine.  Warp that fact in your mind all you want.

Perhaps, just perhaps they should have tested the water at a few end-user points?  What a concept!! 

I worked in a old building and they took away our water filters saying the tap water was fine without.  To show the water was fine they tested it for a bunch of stuff and it backfired, the lead levels were 12ppb (limit 10ppb).

We got our water filters back (we tested the filtered water, it was <1ppb Pb).

Look up all the criminal charges and civil payouts for their mishandling of the water system.  Why are you defending the poisoning of children?  Many people didn't do their jobs properly:

a) they should have known

b) they should have tested

c) they shouldn't have waited so long after a bunch of complaints rolled in.

d) they tried to cover stuff up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis#Criminal_prosecutions

 

Does anything you typed have anything to do with what I typed?  Nope.  Different subject.  Subject in case you never read, was that the water sources in the USA are massively polluted and unfit to drink. 

If you wish to say replace the pipes... Uh... Different subject again.  Subject

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On 12/30/2021 at 4:14 PM, footeab@yahoo.com said:

 

As for drinking water... Is there anyplace in the world with better water quality than North America with a near equal in population?  No. 

You said "drinking water" not natural sources.  It only becomes drinking water after some treatment, chlorination, and distribution to customer.

Utilities understand that the distribution system needs to be handled as part of the process.  For example residual chlorine to prevent bacteria growth in pipes after it leaves the plant. 

It's all great that some river is pristine, but if what is coming out of the tap is garbage your "large population" is drinking low-quality water.

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9 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Does anything you typed have anything to do with what I typed?

See quote above.

Drinking water is stuff that is actually consumed.

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9 minutes ago, TailingsPond said:

You said "drinking water" not natural sources.  It only becomes drinking water after some treatment, chlorination, and distribution to customer.

Utilities understand that the distribution system needs to be handled as part of the process.  For example residual chlorine to prevent bacteria growth in pipes after it leaves the plant. 

It's all great that some river is pristine, but if what is coming out of the tap is garbage your "large population" is drinking low-quality water.

Uh, genius... no.  YOU changed it to drinking water in your own mind.  Last I checked, I was replying to FrankieCCPboy. 

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11 minutes ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Uh, genius... no.  YOU changed it to drinking water in your own mind.  Last I checked, I was replying to FrankieCCPboy. 

Read your own words, I quoted you above.  Use the correct terminology if you want to be understood.

Now you're just running - this is a public forum.

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4 hours ago, ronwagn said:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/dec/31/china-blasts-walmart-and-sams-club-over-stupidity-/ China is trying to determine what the free world can do, buy, read, or whatever it wants. We must mock their attitude and their wishes if they are as crazy as they have been. The CCP does not represent most of the Chinese people and its territorial areas. 

Compliments, you are one of the best facts-twisters I have ever encountered. The Chinese have never told the world what it can and cannot do. You amurcuns have and do.  The article states clearly the Chinese are criticising the decision to pull products, which said pulling is based upon false pretenses.

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2 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Uh, genius... no.  YOU changed it to drinking water in your own mind.  Last I checked, I was replying to FrankieCCPboy. 

Well, whatever your strawman arguments, the fact remains: an entire community was poisoned, with effects that will endure a lifetime.  I suppose you find this acceptable?

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I am going to take issue  on four of our presidents. Lincoln, Washinton,  FDR and Harry Truman.

On Whasington "The Greatest Man in the World. But King George reserved his greatest compliment for the adversary he never met. On hearing that George Washington would resign his commission and retire from power, the King said if true that made Washington the greatest man in the world. And this admiration must have continued, for many years later King George acquired for his personal library an engraving of Mount Vernon, the home of the man who had defeated him so many years before." https://www.computerimages.com/musings/george-washington-and-king-george.html Any of your leaders get that kind of complement?

As for MR Lincoln our greatest president, he held the US together in its greatest time of crisis, kept Great Britain and France(France went to Mexico instead) out of the civil war, issued the Emancipation Proclamation  and the Gettysburg Address( far surpasses anything Churchill did), started the formal abolition of slavery despite MAGA groups in the North. Started the Homestead Act and the Land Grant universities, MIT, Cornell,  Penn State,Purdue including Historically Black universities like Grambling, Alcorn State, Tennessee State and the Transcontinental Rail Road ( like building the Trans Siberian Railroad  during the First World War) to name a few.

FDR well he brought the US into WWII as a united nation rather than split as during WWI. The New Deal started US financial recovery, the LendLease Act with a tip of the hat to Canada for being the key to producing many materials  and food for Allies.   Environmental programs to end the  Dust Bowl and other disasters.

Harry Truman  ended segregation in  US military and civil service. There was and still remains more to be done. Those living in Europe better thank him  for your living standards arising from the Marshall Plan. The Berlin Airlift (along with pilots and planes fromGreat Britain, and pilots from Canada and France) is greatest peace keeping event in history.  His planning for the Surrender of Japan  created South Korea and  sponsored the resolution that made the UN  a co equal partner in defending when Stalin and Mao made a grab.  The democritization of Japan.   His management of the surrender of Japan saved 30-40million Japanese, Korean and Chinese civilian lives, use of another 10-15 atomic bombs.  Give credit for holding Stalin to sending troops to Manchuria preventing Japan from returning 1million  more troops to Japan to face a US, Aust, and GBEmprire (including 1.5 million troops from the Indian Army)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4uDfg38gyk  

book get the second edition.

Ok  SUVNV  and you loud mouths you give even ONE comparable foreign leader. Churchill, remember his handling of India.  In my opinion Mandela comes the closest.

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1 hour ago, nsdp said:

I am going to take issue  on four of our presidents. Lincoln, Washinton,  FDR and Harry Truman.

On Whasington "The Greatest Man in the World. But King George reserved his greatest compliment for the adversary he never met. On hearing that George Washington would resign his commission and retire from power, the King said if true that made Washington the greatest man in the world. And this admiration must have continued, for many years later King George acquired for his personal library an engraving of Mount Vernon, the home of the man who had defeated him so many years before." https://www.computerimages.com/musings/george-washington-and-king-george.html Any of your leaders get that kind of complement?

As for MR Lincoln our greatest president, he held the US together in its greatest time of crisis, kept Great Britain and France(France went to Mexico instead) out of the civil war, issued the Emancipation Proclamation  and the Gettysburg Address( far surpasses anything Churchill did), started the formal abolition of slavery despite MAGA groups in the North. Started the Homestead Act and the Land Grant universities, MIT, Cornell,  Penn State,Purdue including Historically Black universities like Grambling, Alcorn State, Tennessee State and the Transcontinental Rail Road ( like building the Trans Siberian Railroad  during the First World War) to name a few.

FDR well he brought the US into WWII as a united nation rather than split as during WWI. The New Deal started US financial recovery, the LendLease Act with a tip of the hat to Canada for being the key to producing many materials  and food for Allies.   Environmental programs to end the  Dust Bowl and other disasters.

Harry Truman  ended segregation in  US military and civil service. There was and still remains more to be done. Those living in Europe better thank him  for your living standards arising from the Marshall Plan. The Berlin Airlift (along with pilots and planes fromGreat Britain, and pilots from Canada and France) is greatest peace keeping event in history.  His planning for the Surrender of Japan  created South Korea and  sponsored the resolution that made the UN  a co equal partner in defending when Stalin and Mao made a grab.  The democritization of Japan.   His management of the surrender of Japan saved 30-40million Japanese, Korean and Chinese civilian lives, use of another 10-15 atomic bombs.  Give credit for holding Stalin to sending troops to Manchuria preventing Japan from returning 1million  more troops to Japan to face a US, Aust, and GBEmprire (including 1.5 million troops from the Indian Army)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4uDfg38gyk  

book get the second edition.

Ok  SUVNV  and you loud mouths you give even ONE comparable foreign leader. Churchill, remember his handling of India.  In my opinion Mandela comes the closest.

I don't quite get your message you tried to send me with your listing  and I  don't have telepathic ability. If you didn't mention me in your post  I would guess you talk to someone else. 

If you talk about my observation that  US people don't trust the presidents in their terms, then I stand corrected. All of the great presidents you listed above had to overcome heavy criticism in their terms which made them even greater. 

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23 hours ago, frankfurter said:

Valid points. Are you implying the US grid is somehow impervious? A grid that is crumbling before your eyes?  True, the greater threat is that posed by submarines.  I think we all can agree the superpowers have sufficient arsenal to destroy the world 100x over, though 1x is surely sufficient. The question is, who is gonna push the big red button, when, why?  Given the USA is the ONLY madhouse to have deployed nuclear against a CIVILIAN target, the prospect of a US 1st strike is higher than for other countries. 

 It is an either or choice for comrade Putin.  Either the US or NATO not a chance to get both.   As for the US I don't think Comrade Putin has the 850,000 smart weapons he needs.   Yes your grid is in sad shape but show me another major country that has less vulnerability.   At lest we studied our grid https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R43604/6 and have stocked essential equipment to replace key damaged parts https://www.cbo.gov/publication/56254.  Canada comes closer than any other country I know.   If the US did a first strike anywhere  it would look like Baghdad in 1991 or 2003. Also you would know that we understand that  we would have to live with the consequences of a nuclear strike  and unlike you do not consider that to be an option.

If you get the National Geo   film you will have an elementary school understanding.

As for your very stupid A Bomb remark, get an education.  Japan planned a national Kamakazi  with 20-30 million civilians dead(10-15 atom bombs used) in Japan and about 400,0000 per month in areas outside Japan.    That does not count a million plus US military dead, plus a million Empire dead plus 4-5 million Chinese military dead.  Know what  you are talking about before you make another stupid remark.  It to convince Japan's scientists that the US had more than ones. it took two A Bombs plus the Russian invasion of Manchuria  to convince  the Emperor that it was over. It took Senior Army and Naval officers startin g with the war minister Anami committing hari kari  and a failed military coup to make the rest obey the Emperor.   Many places it took personal appearances by either the Prince Chichibu or Takamatsu ( brothers of  Hirohito)  to order surrender.

DM Giangreco aimed this book at people who ignore real history and invent their own.https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/168323

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