Delta variant in European Union

[Tomasz + 1,608]

If you are interested I think this is a very good real-live study about excess deaths in European Union according to newest available statistic for each member country.

Its made by polish geopolitical community called Nowa Konfederacja

But its written in full english language. I think I can recommend it to everyone interested whats currently live going on in Fourth Delta Wave in autumn 2021 

If the subject of vaccination does not appeal to someone, I propose a small experiment - we check on the Internet, for example on the worldometers website, data on countries with little vaccinations in the EU - for example Bulgaria, Romania and, unfortunately, also Poland.

And we compare them with the most vaccinated countries, i.e. in the EU mainly the most obedient Spaniards and Portuguese.

In the whole world I think it is also worth checking, for example, on the co-militarized Isreal or even Great Britain, quite well vacinated with Astra Zeneca.

We are primarily interested not in the number of infections, because this in fact depends on the intensity of testing, but more the number of COVID deaths and indirectly, excess deaths (indirectly because it is also in growing part the problem of severly bloced the health service in many countries for now almost 2 years for seriously ill or emergency patients, and what level of health care in general was in each country even before the pandemic).

Source in english for interested in BIG DATA

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mb-ri0bgduzzQrbmv9JvjChnBQ6euxTqVzHmmiZHLp0/edit?fbclid=IwAR0ko6L9A2doGUMrg8S2gNkt0vBktenqwIOPp2q_WELqMShQz67ONrghLjk#gid=1669722389

 

PS Apart from it I recomend to study 3 examples - Norway Sweden and Denmark. Classic examples of Scandinavian socialism.

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Tomasz

[frankfurter + 562]

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin-Neil-2/publication/356756711_Latest_statistics_on_England_mortality_data_suggest_systematic_mis-categorisation_of_vaccine_status_and_uncertain_effectiveness_of_Covid-19_vaccination/links/61aa3d6750e22929cd4348cb/Latest-statistics-on-England-mortality-data-suggest-systematic-mis-categorisation-of-vaccine-status-and-uncertain-effectiveness-of-Covid-19-vaccination.pdf?origin=publication_detail

Abstract
The risk/benefit of Covid vaccines is arguably most accurately measured by an all-cause
mortality rate comparison of vaccinated against unvaccinated, since it not only avoids most
confounders relating to case definition but also fulfils the WHO/CDC definition of “vaccine
effectiveness” for mortality. We examine the latest UK ONS vaccine mortality surveillance
report which provides the necessary information to monitor this crucial comparison over time.
At first glance the ONS data suggest that, in each of the older age groups, all-cause mortality
is lower in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. Despite this apparent evidence to support
vaccine effectiveness - at least for the older age groups - on closer inspection of this data, this
conclusion is cast into doubt because of a range of fundamental inconsistencies and anomalies
in the data. Whatever the explanations for the observed data, it is clear that it is both
unreliable and misleading. While socio-demographical and behavioural differences between
vaccinated and unvaccinated have been proposed as possible explanations, there is no
evidence to support any of these. By Occam’s razor we believe the most likely explanations are
systemic miscategorisation of deaths between the different categories of unvaccinated and
vaccinated; delayed or non-reporting of vaccinations; systemic underestimation of the
proportion of unvaccinated; and/or incorrect population selection for Covid deaths.

IN OTHER WORDS, THE INFORMATION REPORTED BY GOVERNMENTS IS FRAUDULENT.

 

[Tomasz + 1,608]

And I am a resident of the former Eastern Bloc and I don't give a shit about anti-vaxxers who refuse to vaccinate and thus expose many millions of elderly Poles to premature death.

We have 38 million inhabitants and nearly 200,000 excess deaths in a year and a half.

I would  vaccinate compulsorily.

Of course, if someone does not want it, his his business - we can organize a retreat camp and even a special city only for anti-vaxxers.

I am talking strictly about those who can get vaccinated but dont wnt to not those who cannot get vaccinated for some reason.

And financially punish these overly active anti-vaccine fighters. They earn tens of thousands of dollars on YouTube, we are introducing a 75% tax surcharge for them on business profits and a fine after fine.

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

14 minutes ago, Tomasz said:

And I am a resident of the former Eastern Bloc and I don't give a shit about anti-vaxxers who refuse to vaccinate and thus expose many millions of elderly Poles to premature death.

We have 38 million inhabitants and nearly 200,000 excess deaths in a year and a half.

I would  vaccinate compulsorily.

Of course, if someone does not want it, his his business - we can organize a retreat camp and even a special city only for anti-vaxxers.

I am talking strictly about those who can get vaccinated but dont wnt to not those who cannot get vaccinated for some reason.

And financially punish these overly active anti-vaccine fighters. They earn tens of thousands of dollars on YouTube, we are introducing a 75% tax surcharge for them on business profits and a fine after fine.

YouTube bans anti-vaxxers

[Tomasz + 1,608]

Yap but thats not very effective.

So you need to make such bussiness less profitable. As a lawyer I would do this by law means. Higher taxes and regulations for such people.

[Tomasz + 1,608]

But its also true that now some people cannot see the world beyond wearing a COVID mask.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1466834891010723844

Edited December 4, 2021 by Tomasz

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

6 hours ago, Tomasz said:

But its also true that now some people cannot see the world beyond wearing a COVID mask.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1466834891010723844

Wouldn't work here. We have an FFP2 respirator mandate

https://twitter.com/ivanjvsivan/status/1467053481131401225

Edited December 4, 2021 by Andrei Moutchkine

[El Gato + 251]

On 12/4/2021 at 3:02 AM, Tomasz said:

And I am a resident of the former Eastern Bloc and I don't give a shit about anti-vaxxers who refuse to vaccinate and thus expose many millions of elderly Poles to premature death.

We have 38 million inhabitants and nearly 200,000 excess deaths in a year and a half.

I would  vaccinate compulsorily.

Of course, if someone does not want it, his his business - we can organize a retreat camp and even a special city only for anti-vaxxers.

I am talking strictly about those who can get vaccinated but dont wnt to not those who cannot get vaccinated for some reason.

And financially punish these overly active anti-vaccine fighters. They earn tens of thousands of dollars on YouTube, we are introducing a 75% tax surcharge for them on business profits and a fine after fine.

Nature intended us to be natural immune through exposure to viruses. There are many good prophylactics out there such as vitamen D, Zinc, Ivermectin, to prevent covid, but are suppressed by Big Pharma and their brother Main stream media, because they won't make the moeney off of suckers like you, locked into an endless cycle of Booster shots. It's a racket. And it isnt' even a real vaccine. A real vaccine uses the dead virus to vaccinate. All this crap does is prevent the protein spikes, to a certain extent, and still doesn't prevent you from getting it again. Big Pharma just looks at the the people getting shots as a harvest for their coffers. You missed looking at Africa also. Least vaccinated continent, least deaths

[Andrei Moutchkine + 828]

16 hours ago, El Gato said:

Nature intended us to be natural immune through exposure to viruses. There are many good prophylactics out there such as vitamen D, Zinc, Ivermectin, to prevent covid, but are suppressed by Big Pharma and their brother Main stream media, because they won't make the moeney off of suckers like you, locked into an endless cycle of Booster shots. It's a racket. And it isnt' even a real vaccine. A real vaccine uses the dead virus to vaccinate. All this crap does is prevent the protein spikes, to a certain extent, and still doesn't prevent you from getting it again. Big Pharma just looks at the the people getting shots as a harvest for their coffers. You missed looking at Africa also. Least vaccinated continent, least deaths

The Russians do have a dead virus vaccine. It is even less effective than mRNA and Adv. There is also a  vaccine based on something called the peptide. Does not cause the production of antibodies, only the maker's own test can detect it, so many say it is bunk. The maker claims there are also intro-cellurar defenses that you can train, as opposed to antibodies floating around outside.There was, at some point, a Western startup investigating this peptide route too. Don't think they got too far.

[Piotr Berman + 82]

There are many benefits of giving free choice -- vaccinate or not.

If vaccines are effective, non-vaxxers do not harm us who vaccinated.

If fewer New Confederates will survive the pandemic, I think the Polish nation can survive that loss.  And there are other, more numerous groups that should be given the option of improving the intellectual average of the population as the whole.

From practical standpoint, groups most resistant to vaccination are not particularly influenced by social media, and overly intrusive government causes adverse reactions that can be a serious social problem.

Lastly, corona viruses have many characteristics of influenza, mutations are frequent, and I have read that they are particularly frequent for the gene of the spike protein that is most readily recognized by antibodies and vaccines -- the natural selection to evade learned immunity.  Thus the number of hospitalizations of the vaccinated people is increasing.

I still think that my personal choice to vaccinate and take the booster is correct, and I would advise others, but tolerating diversity of opinion may be essential for group/nation survival.  Take New Confederates: most of their ideas are wacky, but they have sensible opinions about Russia and Ukraine which is rare in Poland.  Some dead Confederates will be missed.  If we can eradicate a wrong idea, same tools will be used to eradicate ideas disliked by the current government -- of which there are many.  And then we have rule of morons forever.