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1 hour ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Here is Ivermectin decreasing viral load for Hepatitis E  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8119233/

I am sure someone has done study on your Hepatitis B... search, you might help yourself...

Thanks. Hepatitis E is not really a very close relative.

My viral load is already zero, thanks to Tenofovir. I would have to take the medication for the rest of my life for it to stay that way.

They can actually treat it for good, by similar means they accidentally cured Hepatitis C, but it is tedious. They need to combine some conventional antiviral with a fancy Interferon and monitor the patient closely for long-ass time. Nothing happens for something like 72 weeks and than the virus goes on a last-ditch offensive, resulting in massive viral load. There, you up the antiviral dose for a short period.

I suppose this is starting to percolate since the last I looked into it, which was around 2018. FDA already approving some kind of Interferon derivative for B

https://www.everydayhealth.com/hepatitis/treating-hepatitis-with-interferon.aspx

The official verbiage changed, too. Used to say that there is no permanent cure possible at all. The Interferon stuff does not really cost them negligible money to make. Indian generics in South Africa go for some $40/month, which is most of any drug I've seen a generic for.

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3 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Here is Ivermectin decreasing viral load for Hepatitis E  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8119233/

I am sure someone has done study on your Hepatitis B... search, you might help yourself...

"In general, HEV infection is self-limiting, with an extremely low mortality rate."

Almost like you don't need ivermectin and prescribing it would therefore be unethical.  Unless you want to be the first guinea pig...  this paper was just a cell line.

"our findings warrant further studies to evaluate the efficacy and safety profiles of prolonged ivermectin treatment for treating HEV infection, preferably in animal models first, before moving into human clinical trials."

 

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2 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

Thanks. Hepatitis E is not really a very close relative.

My viral load is already zero, thanks to Tenofovir. I would have to take the medication for the rest of my life for it to stay that way.

They can actually treat it for good, by similar means they accidentally cured Hepatitis C, but it is tedious. They need to combine some conventional antiviral with a fancy Interferon and monitor the patient closely for long-ass time. Nothing happens for something like 72 weeks and than the virus goes on a last-ditch offensive, resulting in massive viral load. There, you up the antiviral dose for a short period.

I suppose this is starting to percolate since the last I looked into it, which was around 2018. FDA already approving some kind of Interferon derivative for B

https://www.everydayhealth.com/hepatitis/treating-hepatitis-with-interferon.aspx

The official verbiage changed, too. Used to say that there is no permanent cure possible at all. The Interferon stuff does not really cost them negligible money to make. Indian generics in South Africa go for some $40/month, which is most of any drug I've seen a generic for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribavirin

way better than ivemectin...

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On 1/19/2022 at 3:23 AM, El Gato said:

Yes the Western Europeans are a bunch of stuck up snobs

oh so all 200 million people are stuck up snobs! no generalisations or xenophobia here then!

How many European countries have you actually visited? How many real people have you actually met and had a discussion with? Or do you base your judgement on films with pri*ks like Hugh Grant?

Are all Americans fat gung ho war mongerers? - NO

Are all Irish people stupid - No

are all Australians convicts and rough diamonds - No

Comments like that are soooo stupid and arrogant, you seem to beilieve in stereotypes.

I consider myself a well travelled person and the more I do travel and meet people the more I realise the majority of any nation are good people who all want the best they can out of their own personal situation. There are bad people in every country the vast majority arent.

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12 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

You just proved why NO ONE should ever believe a Muslim.  Muslims are taught to lie & murder the Kafir.

Why the only good moderate Muslim is a converted Muslim to any other religion or dead. 

WOW no religious hatred here! You have a serious problem!

I have several muslim friends, none of whom are agressive or lie and certainly dont want to murder anyone! 

Have you actually read the Quran (Koran)? Core beliefs below:-

The Five Pillars are the core beliefs and practices of Islam:
  • Profession of Faith (shahada). The belief that "There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God" is central to Islam. ...
  • Prayer (salat). ...
  • Alms (zakat). ...
  • Fasting (sawm). ...
  • Pilgrimage (hajj).

I reckon if @ronwagn wasnt already a Christian he might have become a muslim if he was born in a foreign country as he professes to fasting, prayer and has a faith. Would he be taught to lie & murder the Kafir too?

Personally I do not believe in any religion, but many teachings are a good way to live your life.

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12 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

WOW no religious hatred here! You have a serious problem!

I have several muslim friends, none of whom are agressive or lie and certainly dont want to murder anyone! 

Then they are lying to you and can do so because of your willful ignorance of their religion who tells them to lie and murder the Kafir(unbeliever)

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15 hours ago, TailingsPond said:

"In general, HEV infection is self-limiting, with an extremely low mortality rate."

Almost like you don't need ivermectin and prescribing it would therefore be unethical.  Unless you want to be the first guinea pig...  this paper was just a cell line.

"our findings warrant further studies to evaluate the efficacy and safety profiles of prolonged ivermectin treatment for treating HEV infection, preferably in animal models first, before moving into human clinical trials."

 

Yup, specific drugs against specific virus's are always better.  Ivermectin has ~zero side effects in essence.  The worst is if you take a gargantuan overdose(100X recommended) and a few people break out in a rash.  The only question with Ivermectin(has not been fully studied to my knowledge) is if you take it all the time for greater than a month.   Otherwise in the short term(1 month) it appears to be completely benign for everyone and is dirt cheap to boot. 

No free lunch in engineering so I do not see why there would be a free lunch in Biology either.

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18 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

I have been hospitalized both in US and elsewhere and know the difference.

For example. My monthly dose of Hepatitis B antivirals cost over two grand in US. Same only costs something like 140 EUR here in Austria. (Without insurance, I pay some 6 EUR they charge for all prescription drugs)

Indian generics manufacturers can provide the stuff for $2. (and do, for the most of the 3rd world. The stuff is also part of the typical AIDS stack)

The principal component, a drug called tenofovir, has been invented in 1981 in the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic, which is within a year of discovery of AIDS itself. So, the Czechs forgot to claim anything about AIDS, just said it ought to be good against any retrovirus.

So, the consecutive 20 years have been spent approving the stuff, patenting it to exacting Western standards and starting a major pharmaceutical company Gilead, which did nothing else for most of its existence. Worth $86+ billions today.

Please don't waste mine, or anybody else's time with parroting the idiotic "Russian trolls" narrative. AFAIK, there is no evidence whatsoever of Russian government employing any such "trolls" to troll random online forums. This much I immediately suspected. The people with requisite knowledge of foreign languages do not exactly come cheap in Russia. The opposite is not true - rich Western governments employ a whole army of trolls to troll the Runet (Russian Internet) Now that you can hire half the Ukraine for what amounts to your pocket change even more so.

The specific invention of "Russian trolls from St Petersburg" goes back to Mueller's "investigation" of Trump's and has been thrown out by US Federal court on the account of circular reasoning. (The only evidence Mueller ever had was media reports citing himself as a source)   

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/07/12/concord-management-and-the-end-of-russiagate/

The actual court order is linked from the above.

So, since the Russian trolls officially never existed according to US' own law, you are technically engaged in some kind of libel here, I reckon.

I Know English is your 2nd language, but I called you a troll for being hyperbolic, not your ancestry. 

As for the meds: USA has patent protection, EU countries just steal it.  You are right, Theft is cheaper...  As for out of patent stuff, it is dirt cheap in the USA as well.  Doctors get kickbacks from Pharmaceutical companies to prescribe the New under patent drugs instead of the old generics though.  So, if you go to doctors office you have to do research to get the old generics and save yourself $$$.  Gasp!  YOU have to be knowledgable about YOUR disease and LEARN... Say it is not SO! 

As for the Russia garbage by our corrupt politicians here in the USA... Yes, all us US citizens knew it was lies from the beginning and nothing but political whores smacking each other to distract from their corruption. 

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13 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

oh so all 200 million people are stuck up snobs! no generalisations or xenophobia here then!

How many European countries have you actually visited? How many real people have you actually met and had a discussion with? Or do you base your judgement on films with pri*ks like Hugh Grant?

Are all Americans fat gung ho war mongerers? - NO

Are all Irish people stupid - No

are all Australians convicts and rough diamonds - No

Comments like that are soooo stupid and arrogant, you seem to beilieve in stereotypes.

I consider myself a well travelled person and the more I do travel and meet people the more I realise the majority of any nation are good people who all want the best they can out of their own personal situation. There are bad people in every country the vast majority arent.

My apologies, I meant the Euro leadership and power brokers. The Irish are a fun and passionate people, The English used to be until Socialization set in in set in in thier society, now they are an endangered species I believe.  Ive visited Spain and England for the record.

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On 1/19/2022 at 2:33 PM, Andrei Moutchkine said:

This explains nothing about prices in US healthcare being orders of magnitude off everybody else's, socialized or not.

You are welcome to provide links to research on ivermectin suppressing viral replication.

There's a reason Britain's hospitals were overwhelmed. "cheap and affordable" means "you're going to die" when it comes to healthcare. 

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20 hours ago, Rob Plant said:

WOW no religious hatred here! You have a serious problem!

I have several muslim friends, none of whom are agressive or lie and certainly dont want to murder anyone! 

Have you actually read the Quran (Koran)? Core beliefs below:-

The Five Pillars are the core beliefs and practices of Islam:
  • Profession of Faith (shahada). The belief that "There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God" is central to Islam. ...
  • Prayer (salat). ...
  • Alms (zakat). ...
  • Fasting (sawm). ...
  • Pilgrimage (hajj).

I reckon if @ronwagn wasnt already a Christian he might have become a muslim if he was born in a foreign country as he professes to fasting, prayer and has a faith. Would he be taught to lie & murder the Kafir too?

Personally I do not believe in any religion, but many teachings are a good way to live your life.

Religious Persecution

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dnCYHAYSmKztKhWYS-esLqlIw-b8RX9-pm_An5Yokh4/edit

Open your eyes Rob. Sure there are good and bad people in every religion. See who is persecuted around the world. 

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4 hours ago, KeyboardWarrior said:

There's a reason Britain's hospitals were overwhelmed. "cheap and affordable" means "you're going to die" when it comes to healthcare. 

No, it doesn't. British hospitals are overwhelmed because they have very few bed and ICUs. It is specifically a British thing, no an affordable medicine thing in general. Take a look

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds#Data

In this rating, US is doing very well, but Turkey and Germany do even better. Both are into affordable healthcare. As is pretty much everybody outside of US. Another random chart with European nations. All subside healthcare. You should able to see that there is not even a clear correlation between how rich a country is and how good the coverage. If anything, the former Commies in the East are in the lead. This is because the Commies had a systematic approach to dealing with pandemics as national emergencies, in coordinated and interdisciplinary fashion. They were drills. You can see how it works in China for example. There are probably still people in the East who remember a thing or two.

Nothing like that in the civilized West, everybody does their own thing. Now, having a specifically excellent and expensive healthcare institution here and there does not a national medical emergency system make! It is obviously especially pointless to try to cure select few of an infectious disease. They'll just get infected again.

Numbers-of-critical-care-beds-corrected-

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8 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

I Know English is your 2nd language, but I called you a troll for being hyperbolic, not your ancestry. 

As for the meds: USA has patent protection, EU countries just steal it.  You are right, Theft is cheaper...  As for out of patent stuff, it is dirt cheap in the USA as well.  Doctors get kickbacks from Pharmaceutical companies to prescribe the New under patent drugs instead of the old generics though.  So, if you go to doctors office you have to do research to get the old generics and save yourself $$$.  Gasp!  YOU have to be knowledgable about YOUR disease and LEARN... Say it is not SO! 

As for the Russia garbage by our corrupt politicians here in the USA... Yes, all us US citizens knew it was lies from the beginning and nothing but political whores smacking each other to distract from their corruption. 

Patent protection for a medicine discovered by somebody else? Like Gilead becoming a $86bln company patenting a Czech invention published free of charge, as peer-reviewed research. This should be a clear case of "prior art", invalidating the patent

EU countries seem to follow a semi-generic model of sorts. They pay a price somewhere in-between research-free generics and arbitrarily high ask of a sole provider. Good half of the pharma industry is not based in USA, but Switzerland. They got patents too

Some doctors are willing to engage the patient in shop talk, some not at all. IMHO, the government monopoly on dope has to go. Ultimately, I decide what I inject and why. No recipes, no chemical is illegal.

Some of the Russian garbage does stick. All you have to do tell bigger lies more often and some of it will stick. See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie#Hitler's_description

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10 hours ago, El Gato said:

My apologies, I meant the Euro leadership and power brokers. The Irish are a fun and passionate people, The English used to be until Socialization set in in set in in thier society, now they are an endangered species I believe.  Ive visited Spain and England for the record.

Ok no worries

We still know how to party trust me! 😉

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3 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

No, it doesn't. British hospitals are overwhelmed because they have very few bed and ICUs. It is specifically a British thing, no an affordable medicine thing in general. Take a look

This is true we have a finite number of beds as do every single country on the planet.

The UK has the national health service where this is funded by every tax payer, unfortunately it has become the international health service over the last 30 years as all you need to do is fly into the country and turn up at a hospital and you get treated for £0. Many from other countries especially commonwealth countries use this for operations that they just couldnt afford in their own country.

That being said during the whole of the pandemic the NHS (national health service) has never been overwhelmed unlike other countries such as Italy or India for example with people lying on corridor floors. in fact we built many "nightingale" hospitals in record time to prevent this from potentially happening but actually out of 7 only 1 in London was ever used and they have now all been decomissioned. China also had to respond quickly building new hospitals in record time. The problem we have in the UK is recruiting NHS professional not beds as salaries are higher in other countries.

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9 hours ago, KeyboardWarrior said:

There's a reason Britain's hospitals were overwhelmed. "cheap and affordable" means "you're going to die" when it comes to healthcare. 

no they were never overwhelmed in fact we had loads of excess capacity in 7 nightingale hospitals where only 1 in London was ever used.

Also our healthcare isnt "cheap and affordable" its free!

Please get your facts right

All of those 7 hospitals have been decommissioned now as there is no need for them.

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12 hours ago, footeab@yahoo.com said:

Then they are lying to you and can do so because of your willful ignorance of their religion who tells them to lie and murder the Kafir(unbeliever)

There are many forms of Islam, lumping them all together is ignorant.

Wahhabism to my mind is the most extreme and concerning as they do advocate that anyone who doesnt practice their form of Islam are heathens and enemies. So that includes ALL other forms of Islam as well. You will find most terror attacks are carried out by this form of Islamist beiever as its the most extreme viewpoint.

Dont tarnish all muslims with the same brush.

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3 hours ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

No, it doesn't. British hospitals are overwhelmed because they have very few bed and ICUs. It is specifically a British thing, no an affordable medicine thing in general. Take a look

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds#Data

In this rating, US is doing very well, but Turkey and Germany do even better. Both are into affordable healthcare. As is pretty much everybody outside of US. Another random chart with European nations. All subside healthcare. You should able to see that there is not even a clear correlation between how rich a country is and how good the coverage. If anything, the former Commies in the East are in the lead. This is because the Commies had a systematic approach to dealing with pandemics as national emergencies, in coordinated and interdisciplinary fashion. They were drills. You can see how it works in China for example. There are probably still people in the East who remember a thing or two.

Nothing like that in the civilized West, everybody does their own thing. Now, having a specifically excellent and expensive healthcare institution here and there does not a national medical emergency system make! It is obviously especially pointless to try to cure select few of an infectious disease. They'll just get infected again.

Numbers-of-critical-care-beds-corrected-

Again lies lies and damn statistics

You could try this from 2020 which paints a different picture

https://www.oecd.org/coronavirus/en/data-insights/intensive-care-beds-capacity

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1 hour ago, Rob Plant said:

This is true we have a finite number of beds as do every single country on the planet.

The UK has the national health service where this is funded by every tax payer, unfortunately it has become the international health service over the last 30 years as all you need to do is fly into the country and turn up at a hospital and you get treated for £0. Many from other countries especially commonwealth countries use this for operations that they just couldnt afford in their own country.

That being said during the whole of the pandemic the NHS (national health service) has never been overwhelmed unlike other countries such as Italy or India for example with people lying on corridor floors. in fact we built many "nightingale" hospitals in record time to prevent this from potentially happening but actually out of 7 only 1 in London was ever used and they have now all been decomissioned. China also had to respond quickly building new hospitals in record time. The problem we have in the UK is recruiting NHS professional not beds as salaries are higher in other countries.

My understanding is that they will treat you for £0 in theory, In practice, you will have to wait indefinitely. Alas, I have no real opinion on your NHS. Never had the pleasure.

What I do find delightful is that it turns out there is a whole cottage industry of aspiring NGOs ranking countries based on the level of their preparedness to medical emergencies. Like this one

https://www.ghsindex.org/

Turns out, you are very respectable #7 most prepared to medical emergencies country ever. USA, of course, bestest best (it is their NGO, not yours) The Chinese are #52 and, right behind them, o horror, the #53 Israeli. This got to be antisemitism. Got to switch them around.

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21 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

Russia seems to have had quite a reduction in hospital beds over the last 12 years or so until the pandemic hit

https://www.statista.com/statistics/912172/density-of-hospital-beds-in-russia/

Sorry, it tries to stick me up for premium account. According to this other source, it is so

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.BEDS.ZS?locations=RU

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7 minutes ago, Andrei Moutchkine said:

My understanding is that they will treat you for £0 in theory, In practice, you will have to wait indefinitely. Alas, I have no real opinion on you NHS. Never had the pleasure.

What I do find delightful is that it turns out there is a whole cottage industry of aspiring NGOs ranking countries based on the level of their preparedness to medical emergencies. Like this one

https://www.ghsindex.org/

Turns out, you are very respectable #7 most prepared to medical emergencies country ever. USA, of course, bestest best (it is their NGO, not yours) The Chinese are #52 and, right behind them, o horror, the #53 Israeli. This got to be antisemitism. Got to switch them around.

Yep at present we have a massive backlog with anything other than Covid cases including cancer and heart patients, not sure how other countries are faring regarding this??? Obviously this is down to Covid causing a backlog but the backlog is with the lack of NHS staff and poor recruitment, also our NHS staff are paid a pittance which is a disgrace so we train staff up who then leave to go into private nursing/care or move abroad for twice the salary.

How is Austria coping? and also Russia?? Its a major problem in the UK right now.

Having said that it seems our government is basically telling us by March we need to treat Covid and specifically Omicron like a common cold which means no isolation period. I think this will help a lot going forward and we can start to catch up.

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31 minutes ago, Rob Plant said:

Russia seems to have had quite a reduction in hospital beds over the last 12 years or so until the pandemic hit

https://www.statista.com/statistics/912172/density-of-hospital-beds-in-russia/

Aha, an official pundit emerges. Turns out, there were only there for the free drugs!

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2013/09/24/vasiliy-vlassov-the-russian-government-tries-to-reduce-hospitalisation-rates/

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